--- Log opened Thu Aug 02 00:00:54 2007 01:35 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 01:38 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has joined #t2 02:22 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z68d3.z.pppool.de] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:23 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z68d3.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 02:45 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 04:23 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has joined #t2 04:34 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:05 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 08:19 -!- cyda [n=Cyda@adsl-074-238-088-202.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:21 -!- cyda [n=Cyda@adsl-074-238-088-202.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 08:49 -!- DeeKey [n=kulandin@jabber.hst.ru] has joined #t2 08:49 < DeeKey> Good morning! 08:49 < yokoy> moinmoin 09:24 < sepp> moin :) 09:24 < DeeKey> morning 09:25 < sepp> hi DeeKey 09:35 < yokoy> I had a look for a more powerfull server but I think the real powerfull servers a far to expensive 09:36 < yokoy> did anybody try this one: 09:36 < yokoy> http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=201590011 09:36 < yokoy> ? 09:37 < DeeKey> nope 09:37 < sepp> to do what? 09:37 < yokoy> with this computer cloud you could build a generic target within an hour 09:38 < yokoy> you rent the computerpower, nominel 1,7ghz, for 0,10 $cent/h 09:39 < yokoy> Each instance predictably provides the equivalent of a system with a 1.7Ghz x86 processor, 1.75GB of RAM, 160GB of local disk, and 250Mb/s of network bandwidth. 09:40 < sepp> do they have some monkeys in a wheel or how do they pay the power bill? 09:40 < yokoy> you could rent a lot of instances parallel, it up to you how much 09:40 < yokoy> :-) 09:41 < yokoy> it is cheaper than buying a fast computer and pay for the electricity 09:42 < sepp> makes me wonder 09:51 < yokoy> roundabout... 09:52 < yokoy> heyho, my minimal build has finished 09:52 < yokoy> only one error 09:52 < yokoy> cdrkit do not compile, just look at the log... 09:54 < yokoy> CMake Error: Error: found a Linux system but no libcap header. Install libcap-dev. 09:57 < sepp> missing dep in the target? 10:01 < rxr> re 10:01 < sepp> moin rxr 10:08 < rxr> Launch Flash: UltraSPARC T2 Processor Launch 10:08 < rxr> UltraSPARC T2 Processor Launch - August 7, 2007 10:08 < rxr> URL: http://www.sun.com/launch (LIVE ON Aug. 7,2007) 10:11 < sepp> hehe 10:11 < rxr> not so funn 10:11 < rxr> y 10:11 < rxr> I should have registered T2 as trademark earlier ... 10:16 < yokoy> rxr: it is a processor, not a system or whatever 10:16 < yokoy> rxr: do it now! 10:19 < yokoy> I tryed to compile libcap, do not work: 10:20 < DeeKey> nice lecture: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4285568518538296189&q=user%3A%22Google+engEDU%22&total=512&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5 10:20 < yokoy> Found shared files with other package 10:20 < yokoy> anyway, after that cdrkit compiles just fine 10:20 < yokoy> what to do? 10:21 < yokoy> oh, before I added libcap I do not rerun the build script 10:21 < yokoy> maybe the success is independent from libcap 10:23 < yokoy> DeeKey: before I klick on that link, what is it? 10:23 < sepp> XO video 10:23 < yokoy> DeeKey: a video, ok, but about what? 10:23 < DeeKey> sorry I had to comment it. 10:24 < DeeKey> Sorry, I was just curious about XO, and wanted to get more info, why, what, who :) 10:24 < DeeKey> I am also keen in e-leearning... 10:25 < DeeKey> actually XO is about e-learning. 10:25 < DeeKey> Soon there will be a revolution in education... 10:30 < yokoy> http://www.olpcaustria.org/mediawiki/index.php/T2-target_Honey 10:33 < yokoy> it is a wiki about guess what 10:34 < yokoy> rxr: do you know something about the cdrkit/libcap problem ? 10:38 < DeeKey> you know what actually T2 lacks? It lacks e-learning courses, so that new users/developers can understand the way T2 works... 10:40 < yokoy> I agree 10:42 < DeeKey> it is good that there is documentation, but it is a bit outdated at some places, and does not give you the entire picture... 10:44 < DeeKey> I think new users first want some examples, if they will find them acceptable for their needs, then they would wont a step by step explanation how to do things. 10:45 < DeeKey> I tried to use OE for my project, but failed to to lack of step by step explanation how to do things. 10:45 < DeeKey> In t2 I found what I need. Easy to start project... 10:50 < rxr> DeeKey: I try to work this suggestions into the handbook 10:50 < DeeKey> no, handbook is not the right place! 10:50 < rxr> more "quick starts" stuff as we have already for building, installing and package creation ? 10:51 < DeeKey> I was talking about e-learning courses.. 10:52 < DeeKey> one of the main difference between book and e-learning course is stat e-learning is interactive and the book could be boring.. 10:55 < DeeKey> So rxr: if you are interested in the subject, I think I could help you with that 10:55 < rxr> well - probably, everything that makes t2 simpler to learn and more attractive is good 10:55 < rxr> but not the next days 10:55 < rxr> I have a lot of work on my desk 10:56 < DeeKey> i will ttry to make something myslef. But actually with same constrains as you have :) 11:04 < yokoy> DeeKey: do you know showmedo.com? 11:07 < DeeKey> yokoy: now yes, i know :) 11:08 < DeeKey> what so special about it? 11:10 < yokoy> dooh! 11:10 < DeeKey> ;) 11:10 < yokoy> I did not manage it to build a trunk minimal system that recognizes my harddisk 11:11 < yokoy> DeeKey: nothing special, only nice. I do not know, if you know this site 11:12 < DeeKey> it is really interesting. Thank you for the link... If you have more please send.. 11:12 < yokoy> I have since month problems to build a trunk system that could be installed 11:13 < yokoy> allways the "No hard-disc found!" error in stone 11:14 < yokoy> with 6.0.1 everything is fine 11:14 < rxr> yokoy: I think this is udev related 11:14 < yokoy> yes, I agree 11:15 < rxr> I fixed something in this area like a week ago 11:15 < rxr> did you test in the last couple of days? 11:16 < rxr> if there is still something wrong it's probably "just" a matter of runnign the right udevtrigger something binary and/or re-starting udevd properly when the 2nd stage was loaded 11:16 < rxr> but I can test 11:16 < yokoy> last svn up from 01 august 11:16 < rxr> I want a 7.0-rc2 with all those fixes this week anyway 11:17 < yokoy> maybe this is the error: 11:18 < yokoy> ide=: I/O resourde =x3F6-=x3F6 not free. 11:18 < yokoy> hda: ERROR, PORTS ALREADY IN USE 11:20 < yokoy> so the problem is before udev starts ? 11:22 < rxr> maybe that is old driver (pata) vs. new (libata) driver? 11:22 < yokoy> another "problem", only a suggestion: 11:23 < yokoy> put in the minimal pkgsel irssi and a simple browser like links 11:23 < yokoy> it would be easier to communicate and search on errors 11:24 < yokoy> what do you think about that? 11:25 < rxr> it's ok for me to have irssi in the minimal selection 11:25 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-082-212-033-021.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #t2 11:26 < d-marc> hello! 11:26 < rxr> hello d-marc ! 11:26 < DeeKey> mi 11:26 < yokoy> hi d-marc 11:26 < DeeKey> hi d-marc 11:26 < yokoy> what about a browser? to fat? 11:27 < rxr> yokoy: well - minimal should be very minimal 11:27 < rxr> or we introduce a new selection: bootstrap that comes with just stuff that is needed to build t2, 11:27 < rxr> nothing else 11:27 < d-marc> rxr: how are you? Sorry I couldnt be here more often, I as pretty busy. But I have holiday now for 2 weeks 11:27 < rxr> d-marc: oh nice 11:27 < rxr> d-marc: guess you also moved to your new workplace ? 11:28 < d-marc> rxr: not yet, I can get into my new appartment end of this month 11:28 < yokoy> rxr: yes, you are right, it should be minimal. on the other hand, minimal communication should be posible. 11:29 < yokoy> rxr: irssi would be a big improvement 11:30 < yokoy> rxr: a minimal brower is a gate to the t2-documentation and so on 11:32 < d-marc> rxr: let talk later for a bit, I need to go to town for a while... 11:33 < yokoy> rxr: I allways put on a system irssi, links, vim and screen 11:34 < yokoy> rxr: vim and screen are not as important as irssi and links but VERY nice to have 11:35 < yokoy> rxr: is the current minimal system more than a bootstrap? a, well, it is, cdrecord... 11:40 < sepp> cdrkit is quite useful if you build an iso, without some cdr software it is a bit pointless 11:40 < sepp> :) 11:40 -!- Enqlave [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has joined #t2 11:40 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:42 < yokoy> sepp: yes, it is usefull, but not necessary. that's the point. 12:01 < CIA-9> rene * r25321 /trunk/package/xorg/libx11/libx11.desc: * updated libx11 (1.1.2 -> 1.1.3) 12:02 < CIA-9> rene * r25322 /trunk/package/gnome2/libglade/libglade.desc: * updated libglade (2.6.1 -> 2.6.2) 12:03 < CIA-9> rene * r25323 /trunk/package/x11/shared-mime-info/shared-mime-info.desc: * updated shared-mime-info (0.21 -> 0.22) 12:05 -!- Enqlave [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 12:05 [Users #t2] 12:05 [@ChanServ ] [ cyda ] [ DeeKey] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 12:05 [ cbrake_away] [ d-marc] [ Fatal ] [ pdinoto ] [ sepp ] [ yokoy ] 12:05 [ CIA-9 ] [ Dallur] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ TobiX] 12:05 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 12:14 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has joined #t2 12:15 < CIA-9> rene * r25325 /trunk/package/base/sudo/sudo.desc: * updated sudo (1.6.9p1 -> 1.6.9p2) 12:15 < CIA-9> rene * r25324 /trunk/package/mail/libetpan/libetpan.desc: * updated libetpan (0.49 -> 0.50) 12:19 < CIA-9> rene * r25326 /trunk/package/security/libnids/libnids.desc: * updated libnids (1.21 -> 1.22) 12:21 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 12:22 < yokoy> rxr: I thought about your suggestion to make a target bootstrap. That would be sensible IMHO 12:23 < yokoy> rxr: a minimal target without X but with the most needed tools would be nice 12:24 < rxr> do you want to alter the package selection templates ? 12:24 < rxr> target/generic/pkgsel/ 12:24 < yokoy> rxr: for me in addition to the existing minimal... 12:24 < yokoy> yes, i could do it 12:25 < yokoy> wich number should get the bootstrap pkgsel? 12:25 < yokoy> zero minus one :-? 12:26 < rxr> 00-bootstrap should be fine 12:26 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has joined #t2 12:26 < rxr> the number is mostly for sorting, as the list is build from the directory listing 12:27 < yokoy> ok 12:27 < rxr> the Config selection 12:27 < rxr> 00-b would still be before 00-minimal 12:53 < yokoy> rxr: I would say bootstrap is for building t2 for example on a not local server 12:54 < yokoy> minimal is for local installation inclusive minimal working apps for daily use 13:03 < yokoy> rxr: the udev problem... 13:04 < yokoy> as I remember comes grml with the option to wait till /dev is fully populated and you could add a few seconds to it 13:05 < yokoy> I think t2 is booting to fast and do not have the important files in /dev 13:05 < yokoy> like /dev/zero for example 13:05 < yokoy> sorry /dev/null is missing 13:08 < yokoy> grml waits by default until /dev is populated a few seconds, but you can increase the time for usb1.1 devices and so on 13:17 -!- DeeKey [n=kulandin@jabber.hst.ru] has left #t2 [] 14:41 < CIA-9> rene * r25327 /trunk/package/graphic/libgphoto/libgphoto.desc: * updated libgphoto (2.3.1 -> 2.4.0) 14:41 < CIA-9> rene * r25328 /trunk/package/graphic/gphoto/gphoto.desc: * updated gphoto (2.3.1 -> 2.4.0) 14:42 < CIA-9> rene * r25331 /trunk/package/python/sip/sip.desc: * updated sip (4.6 -> 4.7) 14:42 < CIA-9> rene * r25329 /trunk/package/zope/archetypes/archetypes.desc: * updated archetypes (1.3.2-final -> 1.3.3-final) 14:42 < CIA-9> rene * r25330 /trunk/package/network/lftp/lftp.desc: * updated lftp (3.5.11 -> 3.5.12) 14:44 < yokoy> hmm, vielleicht doch kein udev problem 14:45 < yokoy> hey, bin ich denn der einzige, der mit trunk probleme hat? 14:45 < rxr> yokoy: not so many people do install builds 14:46 < rxr> I know trunk udev/hal/d-bus is not set up perfectly 14:46 < rxr> and I want to fix this till sunday 14:46 < rxr> I saw the installer image glitch that the udev will not create devices for newly added devices or partitions 14:46 < rxr> I'll review that on-the-way as well 14:47 < yokoy> rxr: i tried also the live cd 7.0rc 14:47 < yokoy> same problem, no hd 14:47 < yokoy> on desktop and laptop... 14:54 < rxr> heh - I have 31 configurations in my config/ directory ... - yukc 14:56 < CIA-9> rene * r25332 /trunk/package/audio/mpd/ (flac-113.patch mpd.desc): * updated mpd (0.12.2 -> 0.13.0) 14:57 < CIA-9> rene * r25333 /trunk/package/emulators/libdsk/libdsk.desc: * updated libdsk (1.1.12 -> 1.1.14) 14:57 < CIA-9> rene * r25334 /trunk/package/emulators/lib765/lib765.desc: * updated lib765 (0.4.0 -> 0.4.1) 15:29 -!- DeeKey [n=kulandin@jabber.hst.ru] has joined #t2 15:29 < DeeKey> HI! Who is at home ? :) 15:33 < rxr> me 15:33 < DeeKey> :) 15:34 < DeeKey> I wanted to ask you about comedi package creation. 15:35 < DeeKey> I managed to make RTAI compile. It is in pkg_linux26_post.conf file 15:35 < DeeKey> But just after rtai I need to compile comedi, and then again rtai. 15:37 < DeeKey> I tried to make pkg_rtai_post.conf in comedi_driver folder, but with no result on the build... 15:38 < DeeKey> maybe comedi compilation is not triggered id rtai is compiled in pkg_linux26_post.conf file 15:38 < DeeKey> ? 15:49 < rxr> the pkg_rtai_post.conf would be used if the rtai package is built singularly 15:50 < rxr> what you need is a pkg_linux26_post.conf for comedia to build inside linux26 as well 15:50 < rxr> and you need to sort the hook priorities in a way so that they are built in this particular order 15:51 < rxr> you could then, when you want to rebuild rtai schedule 2 different functions in the rtai pkg_linux26_post.conf to build it differently, with comedi support the 2nd time 15:51 < DeeKey> but what about the sequece? 15:51 < DeeKey> 1) RTAI 15:51 < DeeKey> 2) Comedi 15:51 < DeeKey> 3) RTAI with comedi ? 15:52 < rxr> yes, controlled by the hook priority 15:52 < DeeKey> for instance 3, 4, 5 ? 15:52 < rxr> yep 15:52 < DeeKey> ok will try now. 15:53 < DeeKey> for now it should be ok... 16:34 < yokoy> rxr: it is a acpi problem 16:38 < rxr> yokoy: aha 16:38 < rxr> yokoy: any solution ? 17:02 < cyda> moin 17:10 < rxr> moin cyda 17:19 < yokoy> rxr:I will give you feedback a bit later...just installing trunk minimal 17:19 < yokoy> rxr: what do you recommend, rockplug or hwscan? 17:23 -!- Netsplit sterling.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: CIA-8 17:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CIA-8 17:25 < rxr> neither is used anyway 17:25 < rxr> this needs to be removed 17:25 < rxr> udev + a little help of hotplug++ is the default 17:25 < rxr> that stone part is mostly a relict and no-operation 17:25 < rxr> I quickly remove the stone parts a little later 17:25 < yokoy> thx 17:34 < LMJ> moin moin 17:34 < DeeKey> is it possible to make a target for desctop? I mean, to install everything to the running distro? 17:34 < DeeKey> hi LMJ 17:34 < LMJ> hello DeeKey 17:42 < sepp> everything? 17:52 < rxr> hi see and LMJ 17:52 < LMJ> hello rxr 17:55 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:00 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 18:04 < LMJ> back 18:13 < yokoy> rxr: hu, more problems 18:14 < yokoy> /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/s11sysklogd: line 43: /usr/sbin/syslogd: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden 18:15 < yokoy> well, syslogd is in /usr/bin/syslogd 18:15 < rxr> I think this is a regression it really should be in sbin 18:15 < yokoy> line 47: /usr/sbin/klogd: Datei.... 18:15 < yokoy> same here, klogd is in bin 18:15 < yokoy> yes, i think so 18:16 < yokoy> hm, nobody got it, yet? 18:17 < yokoy> in grub I added pci=noacpi 18:17 < yokoy> *sometimes* it helps 18:18 < yokoy> sometimes not and /dev/hda[1,2] is not present 18:18 < yokoy> drops me to a mini shell 18:18 < CIA-9> denisk * r25335 /branches/rtai/package/scientific/comedi-driver/ (comedi-driver.conf pkg_linux26_post.conf): * added RTAI alike code to compile after rtai package 18:20 < CIA-9> denisk * r25336 /branches/rtai/package/contrib/rtai/pkg_linux26_post.conf: * added hook priorities for comedi-rtai compilation sequence 18:20 < DeeKey> need to go! Have a nice evening! 18:20 < rxr> DeeKey: you too - cu 18:20 < rxr> have fun 18:20 -!- DeeKey [n=kulandin@jabber.hst.ru] has left #t2 [] 18:42 < LMJ> I have a couple of failed emerge, gonna paste them to see 18:44 < LMJ> http://www.pastebin.ca/643223 18:45 < LMJ> jahshaka, vlc and then ardour 19:07 < sepp> ardour needs lo 19:07 < sepp> liblo 19:33 < yokoy> rxr: bootstrap with wireless stuff? I would say no. 19:38 < LMJ> ok sepp 19:44 < yokoy> do we need libjpeg and libpng in bootstrap ? 19:44 < yokoy> libtiff and libungif? 20:21 < sepp> minimal is some a minimal system you can install that has everything one needs to build t2, even to burn things onto a cd or edit files or download things 20:23 < sepp> of course you could remove an editor, network stuff etc, but that would make it a bit defective 20:27 < sepp> and the fat part is gcc anyway 21:18 < yokoy> sepp: i asked if it is possible to put irssi and links to the minimal target 21:19 < yokoy> rene said, minimal means minimal... 21:19 < yokoy> his suggestion was make a subminimal target "bootstrap" more minimal than the current minimal target 21:20 < sepp> ok 21:20 < yokoy> so, I copied the minimal pkgsel to 00-bootstrap 21:21 < yokoy> bootstrap getting a bit smaller 21:21 < yokoy> minimal a bit bigger 21:21 < sepp> i c 21:22 < yokoy> what do you think, the libjpeg -png -tiff and ungif 21:22 < yokoy> are they necessary? 21:22 < sepp> dont know what for 21:22 < yokoy> I have no idea for what they are good for 21:23 < yokoy> in bootstrap... 21:24 < yokoy> I think the wireless stuff isn't the right place for bootstrap, but I am not shure 21:26 < sepp> if you have a wire you might not need it 21:34 < yokoy> :) 21:54 < pdinoto> hi! 21:55 < pdinoto> anybody still out there? 22:00 < sepp> hi pdinoto 22:01 < pdinoto> hi sepp, 22:01 < pdinoto> do you know know I can reproduce a ./configure inside the src. dir? 22:02 < pdinoto> I know ./debug.sh gets me inside the environment 22:02 < sepp> 'reproduce' ? 22:02 < pdinoto> but not sure how to pass $confopts into ./configure 22:03 < pdinoto> well, perform ./configure under the same environment as the build stage 22:03 < pdinoto> when the package failed. 22:04 < sepp> eval_config_command ? 22:06 < sepp> 'eval_config_command $( eval echo $confopt )' from functions.in line 890 22:06 < sepp> :) 22:08 < pdinoto> ah, ..., thanks! will try that. 22:52 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z785e.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 23:05 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z68d3.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:10 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-082-212-033-021.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/"] --- Log closed Fri Aug 03 00:00:55 2007