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08:23 < mtr> moin
08:26 < Stelz> hi mtr
08:28 < mtr> hi Stelz 
08:28 < jalsot> hi
08:32 < mtr> hi jalsot 
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09:15 < rxr> re
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09:18 < tri> moin
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09:19 < jalsot> hi
09:22 < rxr> hi tri and jalsot 
09:24 < tri> hm i'm not able to build the fglrx (ati) module in my t2 installation the make.sh script inside the ati package says cat /usr/include/linux/utsrelease.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden Error: kernel includes at /usr/include do not match current kernel 
09:24 < CIA-9> susan * r24299 /trunk/package/develop/cxxtools/cxxtools.desc: * updated cxxtools (1.4.3.6 -> 1.4.4)
09:25 < CIA-9> susan * r24300 /trunk/package/xorg/xinit/xinit.desc: * updated xinit (1.0.3 -> 1.0.4)
09:44 < CIA-9> rene * r24301 /trunk/package/xorg/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * disabled xf86-video-glide and xf86-video-vermilion by default
09:46 < CIA-9> rene * r24302 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/10-minimal-xorg.in: 
09:46 < CIA-9> * changed minimal-xorg selection to not hard-enable all xf86-*, but
09:46 < CIA-9>  instead set those to their default selectin as some drivers are
09:46 < CIA-9>  known to not build by default without human intervention
09:46 < rxr> tri: you need to build the kernel module while the kernel is build
09:46 < jalsot> rxr: as I see in libcap cross-compilation issue, the problem is that in case of calling 'cc' - the host compiler, this call goes through the wrapper, thus the wrapper adds -mcpu=bf537 option to cc which (the host cc) does not understand
09:46 < rxr> tri: you can look into the nvidia package or the various wifi drivers how to do this in t2
09:47 < rxr> jalsot: something lik that I thought, but the debugging on the day we looked at it was not able to reproduce that
09:48 < jalsot> should cmd_wrapper.log  help?
09:48 < rxr> when you are in the ./debug.sh mode, what does echo $HOSTCC output ?
09:49 < jalsot> it shows 'cc'
09:49 < jalsot> debug-libcap:[src.libcap.bfin1.20070529.073758.30772.maxi]# echo $HOST_CC
09:49 < jalsot> cc
09:49 < jalsot> the same for $HOSTCC
09:49 < rxr> hm
09:52 < CIA-9> rene * r24303 /trunk/package/kde/kdelibs/kde-conf.in: 
09:52 < CIA-9> * fixed kde-conf.in to lock the prefix on arts, not kdelibs, as arts is
09:52 < CIA-9>  the base build before all other kde packages, regression of r24231
09:53 < rxr> damn - valgrind failes with:
09:53 < rxr> checking the glibc version... unsupported version
09:53 < rxr> configure: error: Valgrind requires glibc version 2.2 - 2.5
09:57 < tri> rxr: thx i have a look
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10:26 < CIA-9> rene * r24304 /trunk/package/develop/valgrind/glibc26.patch: * patch valgrind for glibc-2.6 support
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10:36 < tri> hm i looked at the nvidia package but didn't get how it works
10:36 < tri> is there something about build a kernel module in the handbook ?
10:36 < tri> what is pkg_linux26_post.conf for ?
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11:06 < sepp_> we do not have a extrackted kernel source in usr/src, so 3rd party kernel modules (the module part ...) are build right after linux26 when the source is still around
11:08 < rxr> one should add we do not have a lingering kernel source tree somewhere for good reasons: it usually does not match the running kernel anyway, and add-on modules need to be built from exactly the same kernel tree and .config, ...
11:08 < sepp_> yeah ;)
11:08 < sepp_> moin :)
11:08 < rxr> moin moin sepp
11:09 < sepp_> hi rxr, tri 
11:11 < tri> hi sepp_
11:11 < tri> ah ok
11:16 < tri> hm ok the magic happens in http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/x11/nvidia/postlinux.conf
11:18 < tri> how does this work: sh $f --extract-only 	cd N*-Linux-*-pkg*  	apply_patchfiles  	cd usr/src/nv
11:19 < sepp_> $f and --extract-only is because the nvidia driver comes in some bin, not tar.gz
11:20 < sepp_> the important point i think are the appended makeopts to let it know where the kernel source is ...
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11:31 < tri> ok after the extract-only it cd to the "Nvidia-Linux-Driver" dir and then "apply_patchfiles" ? - for what is this and then it cd to usr/src/nv - and what is then happen - for what are the var_append... ?
11:35 < sepp_> well, apply_patchfiles should be obvious, the nvidia package has a silly layout and was intended to put its source into /usr/src/nv, so the cd - var_append makeopt foo means append foo as option to make
11:36 < sepp_> the dir where the kernel source is ...
11:36 < sepp_> otherwise it would look at /usr/src/linux i guess
11:42 < sepp_> other 3rd party kernel mods dont need match_source_file, --extract-only and apply_patchfiles, but nvidia has 3 architecture specific files 
11:42 < tri> ah ok right
11:45 < sepp_> look at other postlinux.conf's some of them need just append makeopt SOMEKDIR ...
11:49 < tri> ah ok http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/network/iwlwifi/postlinux.conf
12:05 < tri> question: [:-)]  i have a installed system build from generic with min+xorg+desktop but then i realize that i want to have a few packages in different versions - what is why to do this ? - ok i can make a new target build my system from that target and add the package *desc fo target/$id/package/... but then i have to "reinstall" my whole system or is there a "better" way ? 
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12:32 < sepp_>  you can use Emerge-Pkg to build/install packages into the running system
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12:38 < CIA-9> rene * r24305 /trunk/package/contrib/kscannerbuttons/kscannerbuttons.desc: * updated kscannerbuttons (0.9.4 -> 0.9.5)
12:39 < CIA-9> rene * r24306 /trunk/package/network/tntnet/tntnet.desc: * updated tntnet (1.5.3.4 -> 1.6.0)
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12:53 < tri> how install a package from a diffrent target ?
12:55 < sepp_> Emerge-Pkg -cfg other-target foo
12:57 < tri> ah ok ?
12:58 < tri> so the -cfg $id must not be the config from running system
12:58 < sepp_> no, as long as you have one in config/$id you can use that
12:59 < sepp_> you can have >1 
12:59 < tri> nice thx
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14:03 < jalsot> does anybody know how is the linux kernel configuration constructed? in which order, etc. - [trying to compile linux26 for blackfin]
14:04 < jalsot> as I found the trunk/arch/blackfin/configs/BF537-STAMP_defconfig is not used in this case - however should be
14:07 < jalsot> it seems, the CONFIG_BIG_ORDER_ALLOC_NOFAIL_MAGIC=3 is missing from .config, and therefore it doesn't compile. I tried to add this to target/embedded/kernel.conf.sh and architecture/blackfin/kernel.conf.m4 but didn't help
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14:28 < jalsot> where can I read more about this maybe? in handbook I found only some words about this topic, not much helpful
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14:37 < rxr> in detail kernel and co config is not yet mentioned much in the handbook
14:37 < tri> hm is rxr a bot ?
14:37 < tri> i have read this answer a lot of times ;-)
14:37 < jalsot> :)
14:38 < jalsot> yes, right I was checking trac for more info but didn't find anything
14:38 < jalsot> is there a wiki available somewhere maybe?
14:39 < rxr> we could wiki in the trac
14:39 < rxr> we had some wiki tests, but so far they where not that successful
14:40 < tri> hm - right now it is not possible to edit the wiki pages in trac ?
14:41 < rxr> don't now
14:41 < rxr> did not try recently
14:41 < rxr> have you tried?
14:41 < rxr> did you register ?
14:41 < tri> wait i try it right now
14:41 < jalsot> no, didn't try
14:41 < jalsot> yes, I did
14:41 < jalsot> I would document things - but first I need to learn :)
14:42 < tri> hm no i think i can not edit pages in the wiki ?
14:42 < jalsot> actually I have not enough knowledge about t2 to write wiki
14:43 < jalsot> hmm, I cannot find 'edit' button as well
14:43 < rxr> I can check the wiki
14:44 < tri> and i think: wiki.t2-project.org would be nicer than http://bugs.t2-project.org/wiki 
14:44 < rxr> you should be able to add additional kernel settings:
14:44 < rxr> Config
14:44 < rxr> enable expert settings
14:44 < rxr> to go Linux Kernel Options
14:44 < rxr> select Apply custom kernel build configuration settings
14:45 < rxr> And add new rules ala: CONFIG_BIG_ORDER_ALLOC_NOFAIL_MAGIC=3
14:45 < rxr> though I do not know if the = number work
14:45 < rxr> usually one enters X to select rules there
14:46 < rxr> or - maybe better provide the full as named as shown
14:46 < rxr> like config/your-config-id-if-any/linux.cfg
14:46 < rxr> hm - I can edit the wiki
14:47 < rxr> maybe a permission problem
14:47 < jalsot> I tried to add to linux.cfg but didn't help
14:47 < tri> rxr: wiki - yes i think so
14:48 < rxr> yes, you tink permission problem ?
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14:52 < rxr> hm - trac permission config does not look exactly comfortable
14:54 < tri>   $ trac-admin /path/to/projenv permission list
14:54 < tri>   $ trac-admin /path/to/projenv permission add tri WIKI_MODIFY
14:54 < rxr> yeah - I just do not want to handle all individually
14:55 < rxr> is there something like "logged in users" WIKI_MODIFY|WIKI_CREATE ?
14:55 < tri> or to groups: trac-admin /path/to/projenv permission add $group$ WIKI_MODIFY
14:55 < tri> authenticated
14:56 < tri> is the user name for any authenticated (logged in) user.
14:56 < rxr> ok - done
14:57 < rxr> appears to work
14:57 < rxr> all logged in users can wiki create and edit now
14:57 < tri> ty....
14:57 < tri> try...
14:57 < tri> yes works
14:57 < rxr> ok - gotta go
14:57 < rxr> cu later
14:57 < tri> cu
14:58 < jalsot> cu
15:01 < tri> you can also setup "readonly" pages, when you just be sure that these pages can not be changed
15:01 < tri> like the default "wiki startpage"
15:01 < jalsot> tri: how long have you been working with t2?
15:06 < tri> jalsot: hm - not realy working; only playing for quite a 2 month or so
15:06 < tri> ...
15:07 < jalsot> oh, you know pretty much now, right?
15:08 < jalsot> I'm playing just some days and still feel to be lost :)
15:10 < tri> jalsot: no, i think i don't know anything and i also still feel lost - but i like t2 it them to be a good way to learn more about linux and i like the flexibility and the straight forward package managment and last but not least the nice community (for example in this channel) :-)
15:12 < jalsot> did you try anything else before?
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15:13 < jalsot> buildroot/openwrt/openembedded/... ?
15:17 < tri> jalsot: hm... i don't use t2 for anythink "special" - just for my few boxes around me and not for crosscompiling - i used suse, red hat, gentoo, crux, arch and now t2 :-) - and i have a few openwrt wlan boxes running :-)
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15:27 < tri> jalsot: and you - what is your reason to use t2 ? just nosy...
15:32 < jalsot> I try to make a confortable environment to build some apps for blackfin processor
15:37 < tri> ah nice - do you have allready a device with a blackfin processor ?
15:43 < jalsot> yes, but except of the factory firmware I cannot boot it
15:43 < jalsot> as I cannot produce image with t2
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16:56 < rxr> r
16:59 < rxr> re
17:01 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster-firework.png
17:01 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster-fruit.png
17:01 < rxr> ^- new posters
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18:01 < Naimed> hi
18:02 < rxr> hi demian
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19:22 < misl> hi folks
19:25 < Demian> hi misl 
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19:59 < CIA-9> rene * r24307 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.50 -> 2.51)
20:14 < CIA-9> rene * r24308 /trunk/package/develop/liboil/liboil.desc: * updated liboil (0.3.11 -> 0.3.12)
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21:05 < CIA-9> rene * r24309 /trunk/package/base/libieee1284/ (. libieee1284.cache libieee1284.desc): * added libieee1284 (0.1.7) - A parallel port library
21:06 < CIA-9> rene * r24310 /trunk/package/printing/libinklevel/ (5 files): * added libinklevel (0.7.1) - A library for retrieving the ink level
21:06 < CIA-9> rene * r24311 /trunk/package/printing/ink/ (. ink.conf ink.desc): * added ink (0.4.1) - A command line tool for displaying the ink level
21:07 < CIA-9> rene * r24312 /trunk/package/printing/ (ink/ink.cache libinklevel/ink.cache): * moved the ink.cache that slipped into the wrong directory
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21:12 < rxr> hi keinek 
21:14 < keinek> hi R
21:14 < keinek> hi rxr 
21:14 < keinek> :)
21:16 < CIA-9> rene * r24313 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: 
21:16 < CIA-9> * removed explicit bash before the linux initrd executing, it's impicit
21:16 < CIA-9>  in the script and another interpreter might be needed in alternative
21:16 < CIA-9>  implementations
21:34 < CIA-9> rene * r24314 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
21:34 < CIA-9> * marked libieee1284 as x86, x86-64 due sys/io.h (though a few more might have it as well)
21:34 < CIA-9> * marked libinklevel, ink, likewise (due libieee1284 dependency)
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22:05 < rxr> cu
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22:10 < write_erase> hi
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22:33 < sepp> hi :)
22:34 < write_erase> hi sepp 
22:35 < sepp> hi write_erase 
22:35 < write_erase> what's new sepp ? 
22:36 < sepp> uhm, i dont know
22:37 < write_erase> hehe. Will you be @ linuxtag this week ? 
22:37 < sepp> no 
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