--- Log opened Mon May 28 00:00:58 2007 00:17 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #t2 00:45 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-085-216-123-243.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/"] 01:32 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:32 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 01:41 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:46 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@kobz-590cb397.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #t2 01:58 -!- mtr [n=Michael@kobz-590ca584.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:58 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 02:13 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.1.108.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 02:30 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p85.212.58.139.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:57 -!- keinek [n=chatzill@201.250.15.10] has joined #t2 04:35 -!- axion [n=axion@cpe-74-70-226-156.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 05:02 -!- shevy [n=shevy@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at] has quit [""Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony." - Gandhi"] 06:30 -!- keinek [n=chatzill@201.250.15.10] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:52 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 07:37 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 07:39 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:15 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:25 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #t2 09:35 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:42 < rxr> re 09:46 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #t2 09:54 < CIA-9> rene * r24274 /trunk/package/x86/powertop/powertop.desc: * updated powertop (1.3 -> 1.5) 09:56 < sepp> moin :) 09:59 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-085-216-123-243.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #t2 09:59 < CIA-9> susan * r24275 /trunk/package/gnome2/pidgin/pidgin.desc: * updated pidgin (2.0.0 -> 2.0.1) 10:19 < CIA-9> rene * r24276 /trunk/package/perl/perl-cairo/perl-cairo.desc: * updated perl-cairo (1.040 -> 1.041) 10:19 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:19 < CIA-9> rene * r24277 /trunk/package/perl/perl-archive-tar/perl-archive-tar.desc: * updated perl-archive-tar (1.31 -> 1.32) 10:20 < rxr> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=730&num=1 10:20 < rxr> ^-> GPUs & Beryl: What is Needed? 10:23 < CIA-9> rene * r24278 /trunk/package/network/bluez-libs/bluez-libs.desc: * updated bluez-libs (3.10 -> 3.11) 10:27 < CIA-9> rene * r24279 /trunk/package/network/bluez-utils/bluez-utils.desc: * updated bluez-utils (3.10.1 -> 3.11) 10:27 < CIA-9> rene * r24280 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.3.4-1 -> 6.3.4-3) 11:00 < CIA-9> rene * r24281 /trunk/package/kde/basket/basket.desc: * updated basket (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2) 11:01 < CIA-9> rene * r24282 /trunk/package/develop/gambas/gambas.desc: * updated gambas (1.0.17 -> 1.0.18) 11:46 < CIA-9> rene * r24283 /trunk/package/textproc/asciidoc/asciidoc.desc: * updated asciidoc (8.0.0 -> 8.2.1) 11:47 < CIA-9> rene * r24284 /trunk/package/x11/tightvnc/tightvnc.desc: * updated tightvnc (1.3dev7 -> 1.3.9) 11:51 < CIA-9> rene * r24285 /trunk/package/develop/cscope/ (. cscope.cache cscope.desc): * added cscope (15.6) - A text screen-based source browser 11:53 < CIA-9> rene * r24286 /trunk/package/multimedia/freevo/ (. freevo.cache freevo.desc): * added freevo (1.7.2) - A standalone Linux digital VCR/PVR 11:55 < CIA-9> rene * r24287 /trunk/package/network/utftpd/ (. utftpd.cache utftpd.desc): * added utftpd (0.2.4) - Tftpd daemon with finer grained access control 12:08 < CIA-8> rene * r428 /trunk/gfx/Makefile: * do nto build Agg2D parts for now 12:52 < CIA-8> rene * r429 /trunk/gfx/ (EvasHelper.hh Makefile): * added compile time detection of evas with the color premul requirement 13:45 -!- olivier_ [n=olivier@bon13-2-82-237-125-220.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 13:49 [Users #t2] 13:49 [@ChanServ] [ d-marc] [ jalsot ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz ] 13:49 [ babygor ] [ Dallur] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ] 13:49 [ CIA-9 ] [ idealm] [ olivier_] [ sepp ] [ valentin] 13:49 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 13:57 < CIA-9> rene * r24288 /trunk/package/audio/alsaplayer/alsaplayer.desc: * updated alsaplayer (0.99.78 -> 0.99.79) 13:57 < CIA-9> rene * r24289 /trunk/package/perl/imager/imager.desc: * updated imager (0.57 -> 0.58) 14:02 < rxr> hi olivier_ 14:02 < olivier_> Hi, rxr 14:02 < olivier_> Ready for LinuxTag ? 14:02 -!- olivier_ is now known as write_erase 14:13 < rxr> more work as usual ... 14:44 < babygor> buen dia, everyone! 14:59 -!- keinek [n=chatzill@201.250.15.10] has joined #t2 15:13 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.5.210.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 15:13 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.1.108.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:13 -!- tri [n=tri@pd9ee1161.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 15:14 < tri> hi 15:14 < CIA-9> rene * r24290 /trunk/package/archiver/cpio/glibc26.patch: * fixed cpio for glibc-2.6 15:14 < rxr> hi tri and keinek 15:14 [Users #t2] 15:14 [@ChanServ] [ d-marc] [ jalsot] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] [ valentin ] 15:14 [ babygor ] [ Dallur] [ keinek] [ rxr ] [ TobiX] [ write_erase] 15:14 [ CIA-9 ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ tri ] 15:14 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 15:14 < CIA-9> rene * r24291 /trunk/package/archiver/tar/glibc26.patch: * fixed tar for glibc-2.6 15:15 < CIA-9> rene * r24292 /trunk/package/archiver/gzip/glibc26.patch: * fixed gzip for glibc-2.6 15:15 < CIA-9> rene * r24293 /trunk/package/base/coreutils/glibc26.patch: * fixed coreutils for glibc-2.6 15:16 < keinek> hi rxr 15:16 < tri> the ati driver search for the linux-include dir - where can this be found on a t2 system ? 15:17 < rxr> /usr/include/linux 15:17 < rxr> but if it builds a kernel driver and needs the full source tree it need be build along the linux kerne 15:17 < rxr> kernel 15:17 < rxr> look at other packages that hook into the linux* patckages 15:17 < rxr> packages 15:17 < rxr> for example: madwifi, nvidia* .. 15:18 < tri> thx 15:28 < tri> which is the right directory in the package folder for wengo (something like skype) ? 15:28 < rxr> maybe network 15:29 < rxr> # ./scripts/Find-Pkg openh323 15:29 < rxr> Searching for matching package names ... 15:29 < rxr> network/openh323 15:29 < rxr> # ./scripts/Find-Pkg ekiga 15:29 < rxr> Searching for matching package names ... 15:29 < rxr> multimedia/ekiga 15:29 < rxr> hm 15:30 < tri> ? 15:30 < tri> search pidgin 15:30 < tri> gnome2/ 15:32 < tri> hm i have the problem if i start X and switch back to console the font is much to big ? 15:33 < rxr> you mean the console font? 15:33 < rxr> if the console it not as it is before starting X, it's a bug in the X video driver not restoring the console properly 15:34 < tri> yes the console font 15:34 < tri> hm i use the vesa driver 15:35 < rxr> then it might even be a bug in your BIOS 15:35 < rxr> however, why do you use the vesa driver? 15:35 < rxr> or is that on your STB ? 15:37 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:40 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: CIA-8 15:40 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tri, sepp_ 15:42 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.5.210.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 15:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CIA-8 16:10 -!- tri [n=tri@pd9ee1161.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 16:11 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 16:38 < tri> re 16:38 < tri> if i try to build openwengo with the t2 build system 16:38 < tri> it says Cmake Error: A separate build direcotry is required, please create one and ... 16:39 < tri> i don't know cmake well - somebody else here have a idea ? 16:51 < mtr> hi tri 16:52 < tri> hi mtr 16:52 < mtr> the build error is not cmake specific, it's an openwengo issue 16:53 < mtr> to create a seperate build directory you have to write some lines into the openwengo.conf, 16:54 < mtr> something like: "var_append confopt ' ' '..'; hook_add premake 3 'mkdir build; cd build'" 16:55 < mtr> just an idea, don't know if it works ;-) 16:55 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 16:57 < misl> hi folks 16:59 < mtr> hi misl 17:00 < misl> hi mtr 17:07 < mtr> tri: openwengo has an issue with Qt 4.2.x, http://dev.openwengo.com/trac/openwengo/trac.cgi/ticket/1322 17:09 < tri> mtr: yes saw this 17:10 < tri> mtr: and mkdir build cd build does work 17:10 < tri> mtr: err does not work 17:10 < tri> mtr: but i'm still reading through the wiki / mailinglist etc. 17:12 < mtr> what does not work? mkdir? 17:12 < tri> i'm not sure the error message from cmake is the same 17:12 < tri> CMake Error: A searate build directory is required ... 17:13 < mtr> hmm, probably it should be preconf instead of premake ... 17:13 < tri> hm i try it 17:15 < tri> another question: how to create a "package overlay" ? for example i don't want the e17 version from 01-10-06 - just edit the *desc file or is there a "right way" ? 17:17 < mtr> the t2 developer way is to change the .desc file(s), build the package, install and test it, create a patch and sent it to the ML :) 17:18 < mtr> especially for e17 the .desc updates need testing ... 17:19 < tri> ok thx :-) 17:20 < mtr> if you create you own target you may update individual packages using the "target overlay" mechanismn: 17:20 < mtr> create a $target/package/$pkg folder and put the new $pkg.desc into it 17:23 < mtr> if the package needs some build tweaks and configure options, you have to supply a $pkg.conf as well 17:31 -!- tri [n=tri@pd9ee1161.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:34 < rxr> re 17:35 [Users #t2] 17:35 [@ChanServ] [ d-marc] [ jalsot] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin ] 17:35 [ babygor ] [ Dallur] [ keinek] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] [ write_erase] 17:35 [ CIA-9 ] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX] 17:35 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 17:36 -!- keinek [n=chatzill@201.250.15.10] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:36 < rxr> hi mtr and misl 17:57 < CIA-9> rene * r24294 /trunk/package/base/acdctl/ (ids.patch size_t.patch): * added one more ID to the acdctl package and fixed a 64bit size_t related warning 18:02 < misl> rxr: danke fuer die Einladung, aber leider kann ich nicht :( 18:33 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 18:39 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 18:40 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:45 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-085-216-123-243.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/"] 18:49 [Users #t2] 18:49 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz ] [ write_erase] 18:49 [ babygor ] [ emte_ ] [ misl] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ] 18:49 [ CIA-9 ] [ jalsot] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin] 18:49 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 19:40 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@bon13-2-82-237-125-220.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:55 < CIA-9> rene * r24295 /trunk/package/gnome2/f-spot/ (. f-spot.cache f-spot.desc): * added f-spot (0.3.5) - Personal photo management application for the GNOME desktop 20:00 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:04 < CIA-9> rene * r24296 /trunk/package/base/libusb/ (libusb.desc no-tests.patch.cross): * do not build tests of libusb while cross compiling, marked CROSS 20:06 < CIA-9> rene * r24297 /trunk/package/base/acdctl/ (acdctl.desc install.patch): * fixed acdctl install.patch to honor DESTDIR and prefix, marked CROSS 20:56 < babygor> hi again, 20:56 < babygor> did anybody had a successful uclibc build lately? 20:56 < babygor> either 7.0 or 6.0.3? 20:56 < rxr> 6.0.3 is suppost to work 20:56 < rxr> 7.0 likewise 20:56 < rxr> however 7.0 was quite in flux recently 20:56 < rxr> what problem do you run into ? 20:57 < babygor> well, I created a VM with 6.0.3 (based on the latest available iso on the site) 20:57 < rxr> ah yes, inside the 6.0.3-minimal you can not build software because most headers & co are missing 20:58 < babygor> oh, yes.. I found that, and started over with 20:58 < babygor> a minimum 6.0.3 20:58 < babygor> sorry, minimal-6.0.3 20:59 < rxr> but that was a live, wasn't it 20:59 < rxr> I think it misses -devel stuff 20:59 < babygor> no, I installed it. Some nice folk helped me 20:59 < rxr> ah 20:59 < babygor> choosing the ISO that he used. 20:59 < rxr> what problem do you get ? 21:00 < babygor> So far it seems a suitable build env, but I get 21:00 < babygor> checking C++ compiler i486-t2-linux-uclibc-g++ -g -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mcpu=i486 -march=i486... no 21:00 < babygor> checking C++ compiler i486-t2-linux-uclibc-g++ -g -O2... no 21:00 < babygor> configure: error: C++ compiler not available 21:00 < babygor> Due to previous errors, no 1-gmp.log file! 21:01 < babygor> So, it seems I am not using the right combination to get a uClibc-based system... 21:01 < rxr> well - when the system is ok, you can build a t2 of any library 21:01 < rxr> what package is that on ? 21:02 < rxr> but do you use otherwise? some other linux ? 21:02 < babygor> gmp (sorry, I though I mentioned that...) 21:02 < rxr> gmp, hm 21:02 < rxr> ok 21:02 < rxr> and which t2 is that right now? 6.0 or 7.0 ? 21:02 < babygor> 6.0.3 21:02 < rxr> aha 21:02 < rxr> well - whe you got that far you are already quite sucessful 21:03 < rxr> building t2 21:03 < rxr> gmp is a bit more advanced package 21:03 < babygor> a clean install on a VM of t2-minimal-6.0.1-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso 21:03 < rxr> let me check when we fixed the 6.0 series to build the C++ cross compiler in a form that works for gmp 21:03 < babygor> hmm... 21:03 < rxr> when you get so far your system should be good 21:03 < rxr> at some point in 6.0 gmp did not cross-build /me checking 21:03 < babygor> I choosed a premade list... I don't need gmp (I think) 21:04 < babygor> I am not sure if gmp got choosed as a dependency, or if it was on the list. 21:05 < babygor> I just choosed "embedded", "uclibc". 21:06 < babygor> What I need to get my proof-of-concept is a Xfbdev and busybox system, and it's build environment 21:06 < babygor> to compile some C programs. 21:06 < rxr> this C++ cross STL header patch was done after 6.0.3 21:07 < rxr> do you have an svn checkout or the tarball extracted ? 21:08 < babygor> the tarball 21:09 < babygor> used svn with 7.0, but went back to 6.0.3 as you suggested (uClibc + gcc 4.2 in 7.0 were in flux) 21:09 < rxr> yes 6.0 is goo 21:09 < rxr> d 21:09 < rxr> -- this C++ lapsus in 6.0.4 21:09 < rxr> 6.0.3 even 21:09 < rxr> ok, so just download this file: 21:10 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/6.0//package/base/gcc/gxx_include.patch.cross0 21:10 < rxr> and place it into your package/base/gcc/ directory 21:10 < rxr> and then rebuild the cross compiler 21:10 < rxr> ./scipts/Build-Target -cfg your-config-name-if-any -job 0-gcc 21:10 < rxr> and then continue the build as normal: 21:10 < rxr> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg your-config-name-if-any 21:10 < rxr> and gmp should build 21:11 < rxr> guess we shoudl spin a 6.0.4 with the fix included :_) 21:11 < babygor> :-) 21:11 < babygor> Will try that right now. 21:13 < babygor> BTW, is there a way to check dependencies from the command line? 21:13 < babygor> I would like to strip all packages I don't need from the embedded target, but 21:14 < babygor> don't know exactly which ones are needed by X, for instance. 21:15 < rxr> there is no automatic check 21:16 < rxr> because the packages usually have way more optional deps and this already is quite minimal 21:16 < rxr> maybe first get X build and then continue to strip down 21:16 < rxr> btw. do you build for the same CPU you develop on? 21:16 < rxr> like x86 target on x86 ? 21:17 < babygor> almost: build on x86, target is x86 embeddish (64mb ram, flash storage, and so) 21:20 < babygor> basically, I am trying to convince my boss to base a future product on linux 21:20 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 21:21 < babygor> to replace DOS-based C programs (which work perfectly, but cannot reuse lots of 21:21 < babygor> available networking stuff). 21:21 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.23.151.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 21:22 < babygor> It is a "one man desire", but if I show them a basic proof-of-concept, they will buy the idea. 21:23 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has joined #t2 21:26 < rxr> babygor: I ask because it is easier not to use the cross compiling emebdded target 21:27 < babygor> oh, I see. 21:27 < rxr> babygor: if you run on the same CPU family, you are better of using a stripped down normal target as you can build way more packages way more easily then 21:27 < rxr> but maybe just continue to learn t2 with the setup you choose 21:27 < rxr> X is known to cross build in T2, and util you reach limits maybe just get to know t2 before you define yet a new target 21:28 < babygor> I got the impression that embedded was the only target where you could choose uclibc. Am I right? 21:29 < rxr> no, you can choose uclibc in most other targets as well 21:29 < rxr> the embedded target just is one tiny, cross-build only example 21:30 < babygor> ok. The same "O glibc, X uclibc" package filter trick? 21:31 < rxr> btw. whre are you located? did you add you to the t2 map already? http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/ 21:31 < rxr> babygor: I'm not sure if that selection does work, with - gibc ; X uclibc it would work 21:32 < rxr> if you use 0 gibc it still is in the list, just not selected and the Config menu has a C library selection that I think default to glibc if in the available list 21:32 < rxr> but you can have it way easier 21:32 < rxr> just enable the expert section in the Config menu and scroll down to C library, and just choose uclibc 21:33 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.5.210.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:33 [Users #t2] 21:33 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ] 21:33 [ babygor ] [ jalsot] [ mtr ] [ sepp_] [ valentin] 21:33 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] 21:33 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 21:34 < babygor> (cross gcc building finished, retrying target build failed) 21:35 < babygor> yes, I am on the map already: as pdinoto, in Argentina. 21:35 < rxr> ah cool 21:35 < babygor> Will try that next. 21:35 < rxr> gmp still failed ? 21:36 < babygor> yes: 21:37 < babygor> http://rafb.net/p/EC6K2X35.html 21:37 < babygor> Same error as before. 21:37 < rxr> hm 21:39 < babygor> I think I will try the non-cross build, selecting uclibc. 21:39 < babygor> Anyway, will keep this build-tree intact in case you want me to do any other tests. 21:41 < CIA-9> rene * r24298 /trunk/package/base/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 21:41 < CIA-9> * updated glibc (2.5 -> 2.6) 21:41 < CIA-9> * updated glibc32 (2.5 -> 2.6) 21:58 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-091-089-005-176.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #t2 21:59 < rxr> hey d-marc ! 22:00 < rxr> I just wondered whether you can make it to the linux tag :-) ? 22:00 [Users #t2] 22:00 [@ChanServ] [ d-marc] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz ] 22:00 [ babygor ] [ Dallur] [ misl] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ] 22:00 [ CIA-9 ] [ jalsot] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin] 22:00 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 22:01 < rxr> d-marc: sorry we are just about to go, really have to 22:02 < rxr> basically I just was waiting for susan to finish our tax papers... and we are both starving right now 22:02 < rxr> d-marc: would of course be cool if you could make it to the LT 22:02 < rxr> this time free tickets included :-) 22:03 < rxr> maybe drop me a mail or just type, my irc should usually log the night 22:03 < rxr> cu then 22:08 -!- keinek [n=chatzill@201.250.38.93] has joined #t2 22:17 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 22:41 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Log closed Tue May 29 00:00:00 2007