--- Log opened Mon May 14 00:00:41 2007 00:02 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #t2 00:05 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has joined #t2 01:36 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@kobz-590cb48f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #t2 01:54 -!- mtr [n=Michael@kobz-590cbcf7.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:54 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 07:54 -!- tri [n=richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 07:54 < tri> hi 08:39 < rxr> rehi 08:39 < rxr> moin 08:42 < CIA-9> susan * r24058 /trunk/package/x86/powertop/powertop.desc: * updated powertop (1.0 -> 1.1) 08:43 < CIA-9> susan * r24059 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mailtools/perl-mailtools.desc: * updated perl-mailtools (1.76 -> 1.77) 08:43 < tri> there is no ati driver package in t2, right ? 08:44 < rxr> no, the rpm is so ugly to extract IIRC 08:44 < rxr> we probably should have it nothelesss 08:45 < tri> nothelesss ? 08:45 < rxr> -s 08:45 < rxr> err 08:45 < rxr> nontheless :-) 08:47 < tri> nonetheless ;-) 08:49 < tri> i have allready installed my own build t2 - was quite easy 08:50 < tri> but i have a problem to start X - it says something about a not founded module called pcidata ? 08:50 < tri> but i haven't added this module to my xorg.conf 08:51 < rxr> can you place the whole x log somewhere ? 08:51 < tri> yes, uno momento 08:52 < CIA-9> rene * r24060 /trunk/package/mail/postfix/postfix.desc: * updated postfix (2.4.0 -> 2.4.1) 08:58 < tri> http://rafb.net/p/srxsnR18.html 09:01 < tri> http://imi.st/Xorg.0.log 09:01 < rxr> very interesting 09:01 < rxr> never saw something like that 09:01 < rxr> what T2 flavour did you build ? 09:02 < tri> hm minmal xorg 09:02 < tri> or so 09:03 < CIA-9> rene * r24061 /trunk/package/x86/powertop/powertop.desc: * improved powertop Author tag 09:03 < tri> generic - minimal xorg 09:03 < tri> 7.0-trunk 09:07 < tri> ah but it must be my xorg.conf 09:07 < tri> without my xorg.conf x is starting 09:08 < rxr> aha 09:08 < rxr> did you use a xorg from another, older linux distribution? 09:09 < tri> hm yes and no it is my normal xorg config but from a "brand new" archlinux 09:10 < rxr> does X start after you run xcfgt2 and then start X again ? 09:10 < tri> omedays nobody would need a xorg.conf and x will do it all for you 09:11 < rxr> yeah 09:11 < rxr> for some chips we are already there .-) 09:16 < tri> xcfgt2: ddcprobe: command not found 09:16 < tri> can i emerge package parallel ? 09:19 < tri> hm damm battery empty... and the charger is at home :( 09:19 < tri> i like mondays 09:20 < rxr> ddcprobe should be optional 09:20 < rxr> Emerge can run in parallel 09:21 < rxr> however the Config currently can not, 2 Config runs can mess up the config 09:21 < rxr> we should probably lock the config while changed 09:21 < tri> for my t2 build i named the config "system" 09:22 < tri> like it says at the howto 09:22 < tri> but now i always have to "-cfg system" if i have named it default it would be better ? 09:24 < rxr> if you only have one, yes 09:26 < tri> i build t2 on my old system and then installed t2 from the builed iso one this system. i then copyed the t2-trunk dir from the usbdisk to /usr/src/t2/ - is this a good choose or what is the "right way" ? 09:30 < rxr> sounds good 09:36 < CIA-9> rene * r24062 /trunk/package/xorg/libsm/libsm.desc: * updated libsm (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3) 09:56 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has joined #t2 09:56 < write_erase> hi 09:57 < rxr> hi write_erase 09:58 < tri> hi write_erase 10:17 < CIA-9> rene * r24063 /trunk/package/x86/powertop/ (powertop.conf powertop.desc): 10:17 < CIA-9> * fixed powertop cross install code, as the 1.1 package supports DESTDIR 10:17 < CIA-9> * do not build it in stage 1 by default, marked it CROSS instead 10:24 < CIA-9> rene * r24064 /trunk/target/desktop/rootfs/home/live/.kde/Autostart/ (knetconf.desktop netconf.desktop): * knetconf was renamed just netconf 10:39 < write_erase> rxr, This would be nice on avr32 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html 10:55 < rxr> meamo sucks majorly 10:56 < rxr> we have several people who run away screaming from maemo and use T2 for their embedded devices, now 11:02 < write_erase> I don't care about the building system from maemo... But the result is nice ...I'd like to have some UI like that on T2 11:09 < tri> maybe it is possible to create nice ui things they e for maemo ? 11:09 < tri> ^/they/with 11:14 < rxr> one could package those source tarballs for t2 11:14 < rxr> e17 also gives nice guis 11:15 < write_erase> yes ... porting the sources to T2 would be nice... I'd like to have more time for that 11:15 < write_erase> http://openmoko.org/ 11:15 < write_erase> I like that 11:27 < rxr> openembedded is no joy to use ... 11:30 < rxr> aside from that as many new packages, that best cross compile, for T2 are always more than welcome 11:33 < write_erase> As soon as I receive my LCD screen, and my T2 AVR32 base system is done, I'll start working on porting some UI to T2.... 11:56 < tri> bye 11:56 -!- tri [n=richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #t2 [] 11:58 < CIA-9> rene * r24065 /trunk/package/powerpc/dtc/ (. dtc.cache dtc.conf dtc.desc): * added dtc (20060419) - Device Tree Compiler 14:19 < CIA-9> rene * r24066 /trunk/package/textproc/dpsearch/ (. dpsearch.cache dpsearch.desc gcc4.patch): * added dpsearch (4.46) - A full-featured open sources web-based search engin 14:25 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:23 < CIA-9> rene * r24067 /trunk/package/database/ (sqlite/sqlite.desc sqlite2/sqlite2.desc): * fixed sqlite* Category tag from base/library to extra/database 16:26 -!- tri [n=tri@pD9EE294A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 16:27 < tri> re 16:30 < tri> i cant build firefox 16:30 < tri> btw. pango 16:31 < tri> error log says: checking for glib no 16:31 < tri> glib 2.12 or better is required 16:31 < rxr> which target? 16:31 < tri> but glib is already installed 16:32 < tri> a generic 16:32 < tri> minimal-xorg 16:32 < rxr> is that the first error you get ? 16:32 < tri> yes it says: checking for cairo_ft_scaled_font_lock_fac in -lcairo... yes 16:33 < tri> checking for cairo_ft_create_for_atsu_font_id in -lcairo... no 16:33 < tri> configure: error: 16:33 < tri> and then *** glib 2.12.0 or better ... blabla 16:34 < tri> how to enabling xtrace ? 16:38 < rxr> in the Config 16:38 < rxr> but xtrace does not help for this, xtrace only helps with T2 related scripts 16:38 < rxr> you could take a look into the packages's config.log to see what's up 16:39 < tri> where to find this file 16:41 < tri> ah i found it 16:42 < tri> f77 command not found - may this be the error ? 16:44 < rxr> nope 16:45 < rxr> most autoconf scripts check for f77 for the fun of it 16:45 < rxr> it's just an warning or so 16:45 < rxr> the file's in src.$pkg.$id/$srcdir/config.log 16:45 < rxr> that's the log those configure scritps create, usually 16:46 < tri> hm glib is not found by pkg-config 16:46 < tri> a pkg-confg --list-all 16:46 < tri> does not include the glib 16:47 < tri> and the logfile says no package glib-2.0 found perhaps zou should add the directorz containing glib-2.0.pc 16:52 < sepp> glib enabled? 16:52 < sepp> not glibc! 17:02 < CIA-9> rene * r24068 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils.desc: 17:02 < CIA-9> * reverted 24044: downdated binutils (2.17.50.0.16 -> 2.17.50.0.15), 17:02 < CIA-9> as it segfaults linking mesa, ... 17:05 < rxr> sepp: you know our worldmap and that frappr with flash sucks ? 17:07 < sepp> i thought that was googlemaps javascript stuff 17:08 < rxr> yes, until yahoo! brought them 17:08 < rxr> the admin stuff is now flash 17:08 < tri> zes glib enabled 17:08 < rxr> and the html map does not work correctly anymore 17:08 < sepp> btw i am still for lmj's website thingy, looks better and the server will not implode because of php 17:08 < rxr> only half of our pins from the flash map show up 17:09 < rxr> I started to craft an own now 17:09 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/index3.html 17:09 < rxr> just for testing 17:09 < rxr> add php/lua script not there yet 17:09 < rxr> but this way we can map all svn writers and mailing list people to the map :-) 17:10 < rxr> test map using asynchron loaded xml data is here: 17:10 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/index2.html 17:11 < rxr> of course we can control the pin look completely 17:11 < rxr> it does not need ot be those boring pins 17:12 < rxr> sepp: you mean you want to go LMJ's homepage including the php system behind? 17:12 < sepp> as default, the joomla or whatever it was thingy 17:13 < rxr> just due to his artwork or the whole joomla CMS? 17:14 < sepp> looks better 17:16 < sepp> serveur.email.free.fr 17:17 < rxr> yep 17:18 < rxr> yeah - just that after our exactcode site went Typo3 I never ever wanted PHP code on our servers ... 17:18 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/ 17:18 < tri> i think both are nice 17:19 < rxr> if you do not care what CMS is behind I would rather rip out the serveur makeup graphis and stick a "saner" non-PHP(nor-Perl) CMS behind it :-) 17:21 < tri> where is the glib.pc located "normaly" ? 17:22 < sepp> sure, i dont care what is running behind the scenes 17:22 < sepp> :) 17:23 < sepp> grep GNOME2 config/.../config 17:23 < rxr> tri: grep glib.pc build/default-7.0-trunk-reference-x86-athlon-xp/var/adm/flists/* 17:23 < rxr> build/default-7.0-trunk-reference-x86-athlon-xp/var/adm/flists/glib12:glib12: opt/gnome/lib/pkgconfig/glib.pc 17:24 < tri> hm there isnt any glib.pc but glib 2.12.12 was builded succesfully 17:25 < tri> do i also need glib12 ? 17:25 < sepp> not for firefox 17:25 < sepp> only for a few old programs 17:26 < tri> for pango ? 17:26 < tri> pango is needed by firefox - i think 17:26 < tri> is there a glib.pc "installed" if i just build glib2.12... 17:27 < sepp> yes 17:28 < sepp> less build/.../var/adm/flists/glib ;) 17:29 < sepp> you need atk,pango,glib,gtk+ 17:29 < sepp> and cairo 17:31 < tri> there is only .../var/adm/flists/glib but emerg-pkg says finished building package glib 17:32 < rxr> Emerge does install into the system 17:32 < rxr> do you talk about a target build here? 17:33 < rxr> to build glib in the target: Build-Target ... -job 5-glib 17:33 < sepp> have to run away, cu ... 17:33 < tri> no i want to install it into the system 17:33 < tri> cu sepp 17:34 < rxr> ok, into the system Emerge-Pkg is right (tm) 17:34 < rxr> grep # grep glib.pc /var/adm/flists/* 17:34 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/taglib:taglib: usr/lib64/pkgconfig/taglib.pc 17:36 < tri> ah ok lib/pkgconfig/glib.pc 17:36 < rxr> it'ss there ? 17:36 < tri> so glib is installed right 17:36 < rxr> ok, lib/pkgconfig that's evil 17:36 < tri> sorry ... 17:36 < tri> i was searching in build/.../var/adm ... 17:37 < tri> i'm new to t2 - ups 17:37 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:37 < tri> hm but if i run pkg-config --list-all grep glib* only glitz is found ? 17:38 < rxr> yes, this is because /lib/pkgconfig is not in the default search list 17:38 < rxr> and the file should not be there 17:38 < rxr> This happend because the T2 config is not smart enough 17:38 < rxr> you have not selected glib at Config time 17:38 < rxr> so the PKG_GNOME_PREFIX variable is not set 17:39 < tri> ah ok 17:39 < rxr> and the prefix for Emerge glib is empty 17:39 < rxr> then glib and all gnome stuff is installed into / 17:39 < rxr> instead of /usr or /opt/gnome2 17:39 < tri> hm ok 17:39 < rxr> we should guard this Config prefix better 17:39 < tri> when was "config time" 17:39 < rxr> that is to fallback to /usr instead of "" if the package is not selected 17:39 < rxr> well - your current config 17:40 < tri> there http://t2-project.org/documentation/buildintro.html 17:40 < rxr> it's best to de-install the misinstalled packages now and select glib and re-Emerge those, like glib 17:40 < rxr> what does this yield : 17:40 < rxr> grep ' lib/pkgconfig' /var/adm/flists/* 17:41 < tri> hm nearly 10 entrys with lib/pkgconfig/(glib/gmodule/gobject/gthread) 17:42 < tri> but i can also rebuild my system it doesnt matter 17:42 < rxr> grep ' lib/pkgconfig' /var/adm/flists/ | | cut -d : -f 2 17:42 < rxr> no need to re-build all 17:42 < rxr> just clean the 3 packages up 17:42 < rxr> select the package and re-emerge it 17:43 < rxr> the cut above should yield the package names 17:43 < tri> who do i have to set the PKG_GNOME_PREFIX - in the config menu or by hand ? 17:43 < rxr> mine -rf pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 will deinstall them 17:43 < rxr> you need to enable the main package of a category 17:43 < rxr> for gnome2 it's glib 17:43 < rxr> so add X glib to your package selection 17:44 < rxr> the option will become available than, and default to opt/gnome2 17:44 < rxr> only if you do not like that value you need to adjust the config option then 17:44 < tri> ah i have a opt/e17 already 17:44 < tri> thats ok 17:44 < rxr> but the important thing is to enable glib 17:44 < rxr> and yes, I know this sucks 17:44 < tri> ;-) 17:44 < rxr> we need a generic mechanism for this prefix selection and prevent packages to be installed into prefix == "" if the packag eis not yet selected 17:45 < tri> how about the emerg-pkg --repository flag is it working ? 17:46 < rxr> sure, it will emerge all packages of the repositoy 17:46 < rxr> , those selected in the current config 17:50 < tri> ok i'm no at the build config how to select the X glib and the e17 packages ? 17:50 < rxr> select expert options 17:50 < rxr> select custom package selections 17:50 < rxr> add the rules: 17:50 < rxr> X gnome2/* 17:50 < rxr> X e17/* 17:53 < tri> if i select custom package selections i only have "001: add new rule" 17:53 < tri> but i can see the current package list 17:53 < tri> and there are the gnome 2 package options 17:55 < tri> if i choose mimi package selection xorg and basic desktop i dont have this err 17:55 < tri> ? 17:59 < LMJ> moin moin 17:59 < tri> hi LMJ 17:59 < LMJ> hello tri 18:03 < tri> ah there it is gnome 2 package options - opt/gnome2 - install prefix 18:03 < tri> thx rxr 18:04 < rxr> hi LMJ 18:04 < LMJ> hello rxr 18:05 < rxr> LMJ: we just have this new-website topic yet again :-) 18:05 < rxr> sepp: likes your design :-) 18:05 < tri> can or should i choose "cups as standard printer" 18:05 < LMJ> ::smack:: to sepp ;) 18:05 < tri> LMJ: i like it too :-) 18:07 < LMJ> thanks ;) 18:07 < LMJ> anyway, fire when ready 18:08 < LMJ> if you want to work on it, i can get some free time to adjust the CMS 18:08 < LMJ> if not, no problem ;) 18:08 < LMJ> when 7.0 will be released ? we could include that as a dead line for the website too 18:09 < rxr> I 18:09 < LMJ> || 18:09 < rxr> 'm really not sure if I want to have joomla --typos running on any of my server ... 18:10 < rxr> can you propose anything else beside it? 18:10 < rxr> I mean, we also would have to write some package matrix generator for the CMS we choose, generating this part dynamically from our sourece: 18:10 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/ 18:11 < LMJ> yes 18:11 < LMJ> you can keep it outside of the CMS, doesn't need to be included inside the CMS if it's too much work 18:12 < rxr> well of course those pages should look exactly as the ones out of the CMS 18:12 < LMJ> typo3 is not bad, we can use it, but i only used it a couple of hours 2 years ago 18:12 < rxr> well - I 18:12 < rxr> 'm neither a typo3 fan 18:13 < LMJ> hehe 18:13 < rxr> we did our new homepage with it, and oh well ... 18:13 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/ 18:13 < LMJ> yes, i've checked it out 18:13 < tri> the e project is also updating there website but they only use plain php and cvs as "cms" : http://web.enlightenment.org/ 18:16 < LMJ> i think Joomla is one of the best option for a website like T2, especially with the options I added, the target is to get a little community of users, online help via tutorials & howto (cf Wiki) and discutions in the Forum 18:16 < LMJ> but if you feel better a website from scratch written in PHP, why now, depends of your experience 18:17 < rxr> did I mention i'm not exactly a PHP fan, .oO 18:17 < LMJ> indeed 18:17 < LMJ> :-P 18:17 < rxr> :-) 18:17 < LMJ> Zope & Typo3 are python powered ? ;) 18:18 < rxr> maybe we import your artwork into the current site, to migrate the lock'n feel smoothly 18:18 < tri> only zope is python powered 18:18 < rxr> and continue thinking which ueber CMS to use in the future :-) 18:19 < LMJ> I forgot what else 18:19 < LMJ> if we use one ;) 18:19 < tri> have you two allready a look at django ? 18:20 < rxr> this was proposed to me by other t2 users in private: http://wiki.splitbrain.org/ 18:20 < rxr> but php, likewise 18:20 < LMJ> that's dokuwiki 18:20 < rxr> thing is I neither like Python, Perl or PHP 18:20 < rxr> if I have to touch it it would rather have to be Ruby or Lua ... 18:21 < LMJ> hehehe 18:21 < LMJ> dude 18:21 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 18:21 < rxr> tri: I'll read over this yet another system 18:21 < tri> hi misl 18:21 < LMJ> Interweb got nice things in PHP, Python & Perl 18:21 < rxr> tri: thanks for the pointer 18:22 < misl> hi folks 18:22 [Users #t2] 18:22 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ tri ] 18:22 [ BusError] [ LMJ ] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz] [ valentin] 18:22 [ CIA-9 ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX] 18:22 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 18:25 < LMJ> rxr : you have to see the website on the user side not like the advanced coder. Think about the atmosphere, the functionnalities and the capacity to catch new T2 fans, the hability to improve your project. You will not sell your soul to the devil if you have a website running PHP... It should not balance so much your choice, or at least, in a second time, not like a critical measure, be sure of that. 18:26 < rxr> but I'll seel my soul to the devil if people break into the T2-www VM every second week ... 18:26 < rxr> sell even 18:27 < LMJ> install mod_security on Apache 18:27 < LMJ> will fix a big part of the php troubles 18:28 < rxr> yeah, ... 18:29 < rxr> a frontside mod_proxy cache we also already have (due to typo3 slowlyness :-) 18:29 < rxr> well - maybe take a fres new look, ike yours and stick it over the current clean plain text files 18:30 < rxr> and just then migrate the side to a CMS when we had some more weeks to think about it ? 18:30 < LMJ> ok 18:30 < LMJ> did you check the UI back-end ? 18:31 < rxr> you mean the UI backend to edit your side ? 18:32 < LMJ> I meant the joomla backend, to edit or create articles 18:32 < rxr> yes I logged in and dived thru it a bit 18:32 < rxr> but it's like 5 weeks ago 18:33 < LMJ> good, just to know how it looks 18:33 < LMJ> mod_proxy increase performances ? 18:33 < rxr> with caching enables yes 18:35 < LMJ> how about ? +20% faster ? +50% ? 18:35 < rxr> did not meassure 18:35 < rxr> but from "pain to view" to "reasonable" for exactcode.de 18:38 < tri> http://www.djangobook.com/en/beta/chapter20/ ;-) 18:42 < LMJ> well, i need help with transcode, convert DV to a bunch of TIF or TGA, don't you know that, do you ? ;) 18:43 < rxr> if I need something like that I use mencoder or ffmpeg directly 18:43 < rxr> and even then I have to re-read the manual :-(( 18:44 < rxr> so - sorry, would dive the the man-page as well 18:52 < LMJ> i can't read this bible ;) 19:20 -!- _Ragnar__ [n=loki@D8FA4DE6.ptr.dia.nextlink.net] has joined #t2 19:25 < _Ragnar__> moin moin 19:25 -!- _Ragnar__ is now known as Ragnarin 19:29 -!- Ragnarin [n=loki@D8FA4DE6.ptr.dia.nextlink.net] has quit ["Reconnecting"] 19:29 -!- Ragnarin [n=loki@D8FA4DE6.ptr.dia.nextlink.net] has joined #t2 19:30 < rxr> moin Ragnarin 19:31 < Ragnarin> moin moin 19:33 -!- R4gnar0k [n=loki@D8FA4DE6.ptr.dia.nextlink.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:10 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p85.212.51.157.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 21:12 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p85.212.51.157.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:18 < tri> re 21:19 < Stelz> rehi tri 21:19 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.40.10.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:21 < tri> do i need debug information for builds _ 21:21 < tri> ? 21:34 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.51.157.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 21:46 < tri> hm i cant build gcc 21:47 < tri> wups no space left on device >/( 21:47 < tri> :-) 21:50 < Ragnarin> lol 22:31 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]"] 23:09 < tri> gn8 23:10 -!- tri [n=tri@pD9EE294A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:48 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.169.115.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Tue May 15 00:00:42 2007