T2 IRC Log: 2007-04-26

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--- Log opened Thu Apr 26 00:00:40 2007
01:52 -!- rxr [n=rene@port-212-202-42-24.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2
01:52 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 6.0.3 Released! | trunk heading for 7.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
01:52 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Wed Mar 28 15:39:58 2007]
01:52 [Users #t2]
01:52 [@ChanServ] [ Demian] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
01:52 [ CIA-20 ] [ emte ] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz]
01:52 [ Dallur ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX]
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01:52 [ CIA-26] [ rxr]
01:52 -!- Irssi: #gsmp: Total of 2 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 2 normal]
01:52 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Nov 26 07:44:08 2006
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08:24 < rxr> re
08:25 < mtr> hi rxr
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08:38 < sepp> moin :)
08:43 < CIA-20> susan * r23799 /trunk/package/audio/snd/snd.desc: * updated snd (8.9 -> 9)
08:44 < CIA-20> susan * r23800 /trunk/package/network/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.6.11 -> 0.6.12)
08:45 < mtr> moin moin sepp ;)
08:45 < sepp> hi mtr :)
08:45 < rxr> hi sepp
08:45 [Users #t2]
08:45 [@ChanServ] [ Demian] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ]
08:45 [ CIA-20 ] [ emte_ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
08:45 [ Dallur ] [ idealm] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz]
08:45 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
08:46 < sepp> e17 died :/
08:46 < sepp> hi rxr :)
08:47 < rxr> just on your box, or the people lost the fun in coding it ?
08:48 < sepp> just on my box, they will never loose fun in breaking everything :D
08:56 < rxr> guess "Break me" music running fulltime while coding :-)
09:07 < sepp> :)
09:26 < Stelz> moin all
09:27 < sepp> moin Stelz
09:28 < Stelz> heya
09:29 < sepp> :)
09:29 [Users #t2]
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09:29 [ CIA-20 ] [ emte_ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
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09:29 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
10:00 < CIA-20> rene * r23801 /trunk/package/office/pdfedit/pdfedit.desc: * removed mirror from pdfedit Download tag
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10:32 < CIA-20> rene * r23802 /trunk/package/base/linux26/ (linux26.desc mactel.patch usb-hotfix.patch): * updated linux26 (2.6.20.7 -> 2.6.21)
10:33 < CIA-20> rene * r23803 /trunk/package/filesystem/ (squashfs-tools/pkg_linux_pre.conf unionfs/unionfs.desc): * updated and adapted unionfs and squashfs-tools for 2.6.21
10:44 < CIA-20> susan * r23804 /trunk/package/network/iwlwifi/ (KVER.patch iwlwifi.desc): * updated iwlwifi (0.0.8 -> 0.0.11)
10:45 < CIA-20> susan * r23805 /trunk/package/network/d80211/ (d80211.desc eth-naming.patch pkg_linux26_pre.conf): * updated d80211 to mac80211 (1.0.1 -> 4.0.4) and fixed the interface naming to eth%d
10:48 < CIA-20> susan * r23806 /trunk/package/network/ (9 files in 2 dirs): * renamed d80211 -> mac80211
10:50 < CIA-20> rene * r23807 /trunk/target/desktop/pkgsel: * adapted the desktop target for the d80211 -> mac80211 (upstream) rename
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11:17 [Users #t2]
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11:17 [ CIA-20 ] [ emte__] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
11:17 [ Dallur ] [ idealm] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz]
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11:42 < CIA-20> rene * r23808 /trunk/package/network/hostap-driver/hostap-driver.desc:
11:42 < CIA-20> * disabled hostap-driver by default as they do not build with recent
11:42 < CIA-20> kernels, they also look a bitrotting, are they still needed for
11:42 < CIA-20> something?
12:11 < mtr> http://hostap.epitest.fi :
12:11 < mtr> Note! Host AP driver was added into the main kernel tree in Linux v2.6.14. The version in the kernel tree should be used instead of this external hostap-driver package. The external releases are only for older kernel versions and all the future development will be in the main kernel tree.
13:25 < rxr> re
13:25 < rxr> mtr: thanks
13:26 < rxr> I read over their side some time ago, but did not found this kind of clear information
13:26 < rxr> thanks
13:26 < rxr> who does the svn rm ?
13:32 < mtr> svn mv .../network/hostap-driver .../attic and "[P] O" ?
13:34 < rxr> well, those packages are likely not needed in the future anymore at all
13:35 < rxr> I favour the svn history as attic than keeping dozens of bitrotting packages in the tree
13:35 < rxr> also this likely confuses people including our online packages matrix
13:41 < mtr> it would help only those people using an old (< 2.6.14) kernel with a target linux26 overlay ...oO (does not make much sense at all)
13:42 < rxr> yeah - unlikely
13:48 < CIA-20> rene * r23809 /trunk/package/network/hostap-driver/:
13:48 < CIA-20> * removed hostap-driver, according to the upstream website in the
13:48 < CIA-20> mainline kernel since around 2.6.14
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13:54 [Users #t2]
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13:54 [ Dallur ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX]
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16:00 < rxr> all the third pary moduls built astonishing well with 2.6.21
16:00 < rxr> boots on the dual-G5 just fine as well
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16:24 < CIA-20> rene * r23810 /trunk/package/editors/nano/nano.desc: * updated nano (2.0.5 -> 2.0.6)
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17:12 < rxr> re
17:14 < rxr> btw. 2.6.21 just manage to fully suspend and resume on my MacBook C2D running in 64bit mode 5 times in a row
17:14 < rxr> (yes, stress testing the beast)
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17:39 < LMJ> moin moin
17:40 < rxr> hi LMJ
17:40 < LMJ> how are you rxr ?
17:40 < rxr> oh, fine - thanks
17:40 < rxr> and you ?
17:40 [Users #t2]
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17:40 [ CIA-20 ] [ emte_ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
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17:40 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
17:41 < LMJ> too much time at work, but i'm ok ;)
17:43 < CIA-20> rene * r23811 /trunk/package/xorg/bdftopcf/bdftopcf.desc: * updated bdftopcf (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:47 < CIA-20> rene * r23812 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-input-acecad/xf86-input-acecad.desc: * updated xf86-input-acecad (1.1.0 -> 1.1.1)
17:51 < CIA-20> sebastian * r23813 /trunk/package/x11/libart_lgpl23/cpp_extern.patch: * imported upstream c++/extern fix, undefined reference to art_alloc/free/realloc
17:52 < rxr> sepp: this brings me to another topic, we should skip the ugly _lgpl23 from the package name
17:52 < rxr> do you agree ?
17:53 < sepp> 23 or _lgpl or both?
17:53 < rxr> even the _lgpl
17:54 < rxr> in ancient times this was to indicate this is the source version in contrast to what the author wanted money for (or so)
17:54 < rxr> but the thing looks more obsolete every day
17:54 < rxr> with all the people using whatever like Cairo etc. but not this aging thing ...
17:55 < sepp> dont know, authors decided to use that stupid name
17:56 < rxr> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libart-2.0-2
17:56 < rxr> other dists just have libart as well
17:56 < sepp> ok
17:56 < rxr> that extension is just like qt's -free-x11, etc. naming
17:57 < rxr> I rename it
17:57 < sepp> rename it :)
17:57 < rxr> I guess before 7.0 we also should move some develoment stuff like gcc and binutils out of package/base into package/develop
17:58 < sepp> or tcl
17:58 < rxr> though that is just eye-cany in contrast to this ugly name ... :-)
18:01 < sepp> better to look at, unlike the rock mess with every package in some random named dir
18:06 < sepp> and it really does not make that much sense to have tcl in base
18:07 < rxr> one day we also have to revist the [C]ategory tags
18:07 < rxr> currently they are more or less useless :-(
18:07 < rxr> but more important stuff first
18:08 < rxr> that is get 7.0 with all the new shiny features & co out of the door this summer
18:08 < sepp> :)
18:08 < rxr> including hopefully Minix3 support, I also need to finalize Blackfin support
18:08 < rxr> and then the ongoing book work
18:10 < CIA-20> sebastian * r23815 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/ (poppler.conf poppler.desc): * changed poppler build priority (127.020 -> 127.500), after pango for the glib wrapper
18:10 < rxr> rename went into the tree btw.
18:10 < rxr> r23814
18:10 < rxr> guess CIA skips it due to too many changes file (adapted .cache files)
18:11 * rxr hoping with 2.6.21 this damn MacBook finally survives a suspend-to-ram when I walk home
18:12 < rxr> when testing some hours ago it worked 5 times in a row
18:12 < rxr> but somehow with a some time of fancy 3D desktop load the box nearly never suspended correctly with former kernels at the end of a day ... :-(((
18:12 < sepp> i hope a lightning strikes all the acpi guys down
18:13 < rxr> yes, I wish I never had sold me iBook on ebay ...
18:13 < rxr> though it had just a G3, it was the last model with transparent white casing and aluminium display fixation
18:14 < rxr> later on apple used plastic for the display holding and el-chepo plastic, not this inside white transparent plastic ...
18:14 < rxr> not to mention suspend just worked even 4 years ago with those non-ACPI machines under Linux
18:15 < sepp> it worked even on my 1999 toshiba laptop
18:15 < rxr> did I mention this doomed MacBooks are so cheapish?
18:16 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2006-12-21/apple-macbook-core-2-duo-c2d-review/
18:16 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2006-06-26/apple-macbook-review/
18:16 < sepp> :)
18:16 < rxr> too bad the market is that saturated, with the se poor devices it would make sense to get an own hardware design out of the door
18:17 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2006-12-03/who-designes-this-crap-this-milleniums-laptops/
18:17 < rxr> ok, 'nough ranting for today ... :-))
18:19 < CIA-20> rene * r23816 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: * adapted package's .conf files (just ooo.conf) for the libart_lgpl23 -> libart rename
18:28 < rxr> so, /me heading home trying to exchange the high-pitch noisy old Segate HD of my "Cube" with a supposely way more silent, decent Samsung one ...
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