--- Log opened Fri Apr 06 00:00:05 2007 00:21 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-091-089-001-029.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has left #t2 ["Time makes no sense"] 00:28 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:29 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 00:37 -!- AStorm [n=astralst@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:07 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@kobz-590cb09f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #t2 01:15 -!- mtr [n=Michael@kobz-590cac3b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 01:15 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 01:53 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-249-210.prtc.net] has joined #t2 02:09 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-74-70-236-179.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 02:10 < axion_> hi 03:04 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:07 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #t2 06:32 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 06:49 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 06:53 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 08:14 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:21 -!- AStorm [n=astralst@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl] has joined #t2 08:43 < sepp> moin :) 08:49 < AStorm> moin moin sepp 08:50 < AStorm> Any reason I should wait a day before installing fresh new t2 trunk? 08:50 < sepp> hi AStorm 08:50 < sepp> nothing i know of 08:50 < AStorm> Good. And I have to adapt T2 to USB pendrive boot :> 08:51 < AStorm> Maybe slowly add support for "architecture tags" or something like that 08:52 < AStorm> Maybe hack the dep system, so that it will check collisions and won't cry on overwriting the same file with the same :> 08:53 < AStorm> I could create separate /{,usr/}{bin,sbin,lib} for each arch 08:53 < AStorm> But not /etc or /usr/share 08:53 < AStorm> that would rule 08:53 < AStorm> Just some eprefix hacking in the majority of cases 08:54 < AStorm> and arch tags for dependency tracking. 08:59 < sepp> if it is full moon my usb pendrive behaves like a hdd and boots like one 08:59 < AStorm> Well, mine does that even normally :> 08:59 < sepp> so what is left to adapt? 09:00 < AStorm> The only problem I forsee is that booting will have to use various initramfses to union-mount the various bin/libdirs 09:00 < AStorm> Or maybe not.. 09:00 < AStorm> maybe just change the path :P 09:01 < AStorm> The basic pendrive system does work, but I want to extend it to support multiple archs at once 09:01 < AStorm> w/o full chroots - just executables and libs, much like multilib is done 09:04 < AStorm> This needs changing the dep system :> 09:04 < AStorm> I'll also have to do some mount hacking in the initramfs - so that it doesn't beat the pendrive to death with compiling 09:05 < AStorm> some hard drives and then maybe tmpfs 09:05 < AStorm> Also, initng as the init system 09:05 < AStorm> (minit is too unwieldy, same with events) 09:06 < AStorm> (with upstart events - still too "unstable) 09:17 < sepp> hmmm 09:51 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.23.59.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 10:01 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:04 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.64.10.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:07 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 10:12 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 10:16 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #t2 10:55 -!- fke [n=fke@p3E9E2D6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 11:07 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.23.59.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:13 < fke> hi all, is there a 'proper' way to install minimal-desktop-live? Thanks 11:18 -!- AstralSt [n=astralst@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl] has joined #t2 11:25 -!- AStorm [n=astralst@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:33 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:38 < rxr> re 11:38 < rxr> fke: there is no livecd installer included 11:39 < rxr> you can rsync it to a partition and run your favourite boot-loader, though 11:41 < fke> rxr: ok, i will try. Thanks 11:45 < rxr> you could read and re-use http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/install.sh 11:45 < rxr> that is the install script of the Archivista Scan-Box sollution 11:56 < CIA-18> rene * r23441 /trunk/package/base/multitail/ (. multitail.cache multitail.desc): * added multitail (5.0.0) - Lets you view several files at once in a window, with colors 12:06 < CIA-18> rene * r23442 /trunk/package/develop/redet/redet.desc: * updated redet (8.20 -> 8.21) 12:11 < CIA-18> rene * r23443 /trunk/package/x11/freetype/freetype.desc: * updated freetype (2.3.2 -> 2.3.3) 12:20 < rxr> http://magazine.web.de/de/themen/digitale-welt/computer/software/3853568.html 12:25 < CIA-18> rene * r23444 /trunk/package/gnome2/metacity/metacity.desc: * updated metacity (2.18.0 -> 2.18.1) 12:32 < CIA-18> rene * r23445 /trunk/package/network/mldonkey/mldonkey.desc: * updated mldonkey (2.8.3 -> 2.8.4) 12:33 < CIA-18> rene * r23446 /trunk/package/xfce4/thunar-thumbnailers/thunar-thumbnailers.desc: * updated thunar-thumbnailers (0.1.2 -> 0.2.0) 12:34 < CIA-18> rene * r23447 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.43 -> 2.44) 12:35 -!- fke [n=fke@p3E9E2D6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 12:40 [Users #t2] 12:40 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-18] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly] [ TobiX ] 12:40 [ AstralSt] [ emte ] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz ] [ valentin] 12:40 [ axion_ ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ th ] 12:40 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 13:11 -!- fke [n=fke@p3e9e31f9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 13:21 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-252-124.prtc.net] has joined #t2 13:40 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-249-210.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:43 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.57.53.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 14:44 < sepp> hello :) 14:54 < rxr> moin moin sepp 14:55 < sepp> hi rxr 15:00 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-085-216-121-175.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #t2 15:03 < rxr> moin d-marc 15:04 [Users #t2] 15:04 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-18] [ fke] [ R4gnar0k] [ sparc-kly_] [ TobiX ] 15:04 [ AstralSt] [ d-marc] [ LMJ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ] [ valentin] 15:04 [ axion_ ] [ emte ] [ mtr] [ sepp ] [ th ] 15:04 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 15:11 < d-marc> hello :) 15:11 < rxr> how do you do? 15:12 < rxr> oh - I have to go 15:12 < rxr> easter dinner waiting for me ... 15:12 < rxr> cu later 15:23 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p85.212.67.41.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 15:32 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.57.53.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:45 < d-marc> rxr: going to be in frankfurt over easter 15:46 < d-marc> So just I case I dont catch you anymore: Happy Easter 15:46 < d-marc> and Happy Easter to all here too (if you celebrate it) 15:55 < rxr> re 15:55 < rxr> hi from UMTS 15:56 < rxr> happy easter to you too 15:56 < Stelz> ah yeah :) 15:56 < Stelz> rehi rxr :) 15:56 < Stelz> rehi all 15:56 < Stelz> and happy easter too :) 15:57 < rxr> hi Stelz 15:57 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 15:58 < misl> hi folks 15:59 < rxr> hi misl 15:59 < misl> hi rxr 15:59 * rxr messing with java again 15:59 < misl> :-) 15:59 < misl> what are you doing ? 15:59 < rxr> for the upcomming handbook which will be XML Docbook processed by Apache's FOP 15:59 < misl> hehe 16:00 < misl> java is not that bad after all 16:00 < rxr> well, at least fop appears to be the only reasonable XML -> PDF processor ... 16:00 < rxr> btw. what VM preceedence do the average java developer usually have? 16:00 < rxr> just the Sun one? 16:01 < rxr> btw. happy easter and greetings to the family misl 16:01 < rxr> (before I close this UMTS connect from home again ...) 16:01 < misl> happy easter to you and susan too 16:01 < misl> me mostly uses sun vm 16:01 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.57.68.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 16:01 < misl> at work we are still at vm 1.3.1 :( 16:02 < misl> at home mostly 1.5 16:02 < misl> although I would like to build openJDK 7 16:02 < misl> but have not found the time 16:03 < rxr> yeah , ... 16:03 < rxr> so - easter dinner soon and I have to hunt a new FOPException ... 16:03 < rxr> cu later and happy celebration the next days 16:04 < misl> cu rxr 16:08 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p85.212.67.41.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:12 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: R4gnar0k, CIA-18, fke, sepp, mtr 16:12 -!- Netsplit over, joins: sepp, fke, mtr, R4gnar0k, CIA-18 16:13 -!- mqueiros [n=mqueiros@c-217-70-65-169.bragatel.pt] has joined #t2 16:20 < d-marc> rxr: the best thing would be to avoid java bullshit completely. Maybe compile it with gcj? 16:41 -!- AstralSt [n=astralst@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:49 < rxr> d-marc: don't say this that loud when misl is around here :-) 16:49 < rxr> d-marc: I'm happy that it outputs anything at all 16:50 < rxr> d-marc: later, when I'm more comfortable with this docbook setup, I'll of course package it in T2 and hit it to compile with gcj 16:50 < rxr> however the bugzilla already has entries that gcj does not compile fop out-of-the-box 16:50 * rxr wonders about his UMTS bill for this month ... 16:51 < rxr> thing is I need the new handbook infrastructure finally ready this weekend so we can sprint off to hand the final manuscript to the publisher in just 2 months ... 16:51 < rxr> this will be a major book write marathon anyway 16:52 < rxr> so - cu again 16:52 < rxr> (was just online for the svn commit :-) 16:52 < rxr> like in good old modem times ...) 16:57 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.57.68.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:58 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-085-216-121-175.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/"] 17:02 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:04 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 17:09 < fke> rxr: Thanks again for you help a couple of hours before 17:10 < fke> rxr: I didn't want to fiddle with a manual installation though... ;-) I just installed 6.0.1 17:11 < fke> rxr: following the buildintro in your website literally i keep running against an error though: 17:12 < fke> rxr: cant build gcc, the log file is telling me: crti.o: No such file any hints? 18:05 -!- AStorm [n=T2@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl] has joined #t2 18:09 < AStorm> Hey guys, I'm writing this from T2 livecd 18:09 < AStorm> it was very unwise of you not to include ping or irssi on the livecd :> 18:09 < AStorm> T2-resc 18:09 < AStorm> Fortunately, some good soul has irssi compiled using dietlibc. 18:10 < AStorm> And I know my network setup. 18:10 < AStorm> And I made a mistake, removed 2 partitions too many 18:10 < AStorm> want to restore them 18:11 < AStorm> one is ext3, the other is truecrypt 18:11 < AStorm> the third one before them is ext4 with extents - should I find the end of it, I shall be able to restore the whole layout 18:12 < fke> AStorm: Did you have a look at http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk ? 18:13 < fke> AStorm: i did use gpart successfully too 18:22 < AStorm> I can't try e2fsck from T2 livecd, because it doesn't support ext4 :% 18:22 < AStorm> Let's see this gpart 18:22 < AStorm> ext4 header is the same as ext2 18:22 < AStorm> So it should find it. 18:22 < fke> AStorm: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Livecd 18:23 < AStorm> I wonder how long will it take with 80G :> 18:23 < AStorm> And if it'll find these ext4 partitions :> 18:25 < AStorm> fke: hmmmmm 18:25 < AStorm> the e2fsck supporting ext4 would certainly save me 18:25 < AStorm> the partitions I have to find are logical volumes :/ 18:25 < AStorm> gpart won't help 18:26 < fke> AStorm: LVM is supported by gpart 18:26 < AStorm> It's not LVM 18:26 < AStorm> it's a typical logical volume 18:27 < AStorm> In an extended partition 18:27 < AStorm> I have to force gpart to only look after certain cylinder 18:28 < fke> AStorm: what is a 'typical logical volume'? 18:28 < AStorm> The thingy you put in an extended partition 18:28 < AStorm> Hmm. 18:29 < AStorm> Ok, I'm scanning using some -k option 18:29 < AStorm> should be much faster, about 40GiB to scan 18:29 < AStorm> Is there some option to search only on cylinder boundaries? 18:30 < AStorm> (unfortunately, the manpages are missing on T2 Resc :P ) 18:30 < fke> AStorm: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/gpart-man.html ;-) 18:32 < fke> AStorm: Did you read the part extended partitions? 18:33 < fke> AStorm: sorry, gotta go now... will be back tomorrow 18:34 < AStorm> Ok, got that :> 18:34 < AStorm> extended partition is ok on its own 18:34 < AStorm> I just miss 3 logical drives 18:35 < AStorm> it won't detect truecrypt one, but should find the two others... then the remaining one is the truecrypt 18:35 < AStorm> Thanks for your assistance. 18:47 < rxr> re 18:50 < axion_> hey rxr 18:51 < rxr> hi axion_ 18:51 < rxr> how are you? 18:51 < axion_> should i do a generic desktop or exact desktop target for a desktop build? 18:52 < rxr> you mean generix + minimal-desktop template, right? 18:52 < rxr> well , desktop has some more packages and tiny support tweaks 18:52 < rxr> either is fine, but use the branches/6.0 18:53 < axion_> ok...i tried exact desktop and it doesnt download packages from the mirror so i did generic + min., desktop 18:54 < rxr> download should go fine in any case 18:54 < rxr> what errors did you experience ? 18:54 < axion_> it finds the fastest mirror then exits clean without error 18:54 < axion_> only when i chose exact desktop it did that 18:55 < axion_> using 6.0.3 buils scripts...not svn 18:56 < AStorm> BLAH! 18:56 < AStorm> "fatal error: seek failure" 18:56 < AStorm> the gpart version on T2 SDE is broken :P 18:57 < AStorm> It can't even read the correct table I have :P 18:57 < AStorm> Guess I have to try some other LiveCD. 18:58 < AStorm> Or I'll dload the static binary from their page 18:59 < AStorm> Ok, the binary from there works. 18:59 < AStorm> rxr: please fix gpart on the T2-Resc 0.6 for x86_64 19:00 < rxr> AStorm: hm 19:01 < rxr> AStorm: gpart source sucks anyway, look what grave patches I already have for it ... 19:01 < AStorm> :P 19:01 < AStorm> Their binary somehow doesn't... 19:01 < rxr> do you open a bugs.t2-project.org ? 19:01 < AStorm> Not yet, I have to fly. Will file one when I'm back. 19:04 < CIA-18> rene * r23448 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.15.2 -> 0.15.3) 19:34 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.55.134.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 19:49 < rxr> misl: we have some jave update notification in our t2-update list queue 19:49 < rxr> you do not accidently wanna test them :-? 19:52 < misl> rxr: which one ? 19:52 < rxr> oh there are quite some 19:52 < rxr> Tuesday 11:00:03 [t2-updates] [AUTO] java/junit - junit4.3.1 19:53 < rxr> Tuesday 11:00:02 [t2-updates] [AUTO] java/jetty - jetty-6.1.2rc2 19:53 < rxr> 2007-03-20 11:00 [t2-updates] [AUTO] java/jakarta-regexp - jakarta-regexp-1.5 19:53 < rxr> 2006-12-14 12:27 [t2-updates] [AUTO] java/gcjwebplugin - gcjwebplugin-0.9.0 19:53 < rxr> 2006-10-10 04:13 [t2-updates] [AUTO] java/commons-lang - commons-lang-2.2-src 19:53 < rxr> I have some older ones in my list as well - guess I should take a look if they are even already done in SVN, ... 19:54 < rxr> btw. does ant build with gcj? 19:54 < misl> on opensde I just did maven -> 2.0.6 If I have time I will do that one on T2 as well 19:55 < misl> I don't know if it build with gcj, maybe google knows 19:55 < rxr> oh 20:00 < CIA-18> rene * r23449 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.desc: * updated xorg-server (1.2.99.903 -> 1.2.99.905) 20:05 < AStorm> Ok, I've got my partitions back :-) 20:07 < AStorm> well, gpart ends with seek failure, probably because it tried to seek outside the disc :> 20:11 < CIA-18> rene * r23450 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/1.2.0-xcmisc.patch: * removed now obsolete xorg-server security patch, ... 20:17 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p85.212.49.126.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 20:18 < rxr> ok - cu then again 20:18 < rxr> off home again 20:18 < rxr> have a nice easter celebration 20:27 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.55.134.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:35 -!- AStorm [n=T2@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl] has quit ["Blah. Brak UTF-8 ssie."] 20:53 -!- AStorm [n=astralst@host-81-190-179-124.gorzow.mm.pl] has joined #t2 23:03 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.11/2007031202]"] 23:40 -!- keinek [n=chatzill@201.250.10.4] has joined #t2 23:40 < keinek> hi guys --- Log closed Sat Apr 07 00:00:06 2007