T2 IRC Log: 2007-04-02

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--- Log opened Mon Apr 02 00:00:01 2007
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01:48 < baconman> hi guys
01:49 < baconman> can I run gasgui as a GUI package manager
01:49 < baconman> ANYONE
01:50 < baconman> PLEASE ANSWER ME
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08:56 < rxr> re
09:12 < rxr> sepp: there is a new pixie out there ...
09:12 < CIA-18> susan * r23362 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.33 -> 0.9.34)
09:12 < rxr> sepp: The automatic update tracker has identified the file(s):
09:12 < rxr> sepp: Pixie-src-2.1.1
09:51 < CIA-18> rene * r23363 /branches/6.0/package/base/embutils/losetup.patch:
09:51 < CIA-18> * merged and rediffed r21699 from trunk: improved our embutils/losetup
09:51 < CIA-18> patch to avoid returning random garbage as return code
09:58 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/87712
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10:36 < rxr> damn - have to hunt a embutils/rm -rf bus error on sparc before the LiveCD can go out
10:36 < rxr> the above merge also is what I found during live/sparc64 testing ...
11:26 < CIA-18> rene * r23364 /branches/6.0/package/base/embutils/ls-gcc-4.1-sparc-mis-opt.patch: * fixed embutils/rm for GCC unalligned load issues on at least sparc64, likewise
11:28 < CIA-18> rene * r23365 /trunk/package/base/embutils/ls-gcc-4.1-sparc-mis-opt.patch:
11:28 < CIA-18> * merged r23364 from branches/6.0: * fixed embutils/rm for GCC
11:28 < CIA-18> unaligned load issues on at least sparc64, likewise
11:33 < CIA-18> mtr * r23366 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/binutils-100-uclibc-conf.patch: * adapted uclibc's patch for latest binutils update
11:33 < rxr> hey mtr
11:34 < mtr> moin moin rxr :-)
11:36 < rxr> how are you mtr ?
11:36 [Users #t2]
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11:36 [ _Ragnar__] [ dragon_cz] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ] [ valentin]
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11:36 < CIA-18> rene * r23367 /branches/6.0/package/base/gmp/endianess-cross.patch:
11:36 < CIA-18> * fixed gmp to not overwrite the configure endianess to undefined,
11:36 < CIA-18> as we actually already pre-cache it (trunk is not affected, as
11:36 < CIA-18> gmp-4.2 no longer wipes the value)
11:38 < mtr> thanks rene, fine so far, my TODO is growing faster than i am able to work on it ...
11:38 < rxr> T2 TODO or work TODO ?
11:38 < mtr> both ;-)
11:38 < rxr> (I have over 200 tickets in my desktop KDE "basket"
11:38 < rxr> )
11:41 < mtr> what do you think about the CROSS flag,
11:42 < rxr> start adding it :-)
11:42 < mtr> we should tag all those pkgs that currently dcross-compile in a single commit ?
11:42 < rxr> maybe even tweak the current packages to have less stage 1 marks so normal native builds only get cross build what is needed to bootstap the system
11:42 < rxr> yes, single commits, otherwise stuff is not nicely revert and mergeable ...
11:43 < rxr> I can do the CROSS tagging though
11:43 < rxr> we could then mark stage1 what's needed to bootstap only, save some build cycles for most people
11:43 < mtr> ack
11:43 < rxr> and when the CROSS option is set, let add the 1 stage mark on all CROSS packages
11:44 < rxr> + I'll have a dedicated CROSS build test on the regression tester I just set up
11:44 < rxr> so we can test-build automatically what we know once cross build
11:44 < mtr> yep, sounds good
11:44 < rxr> + we can advertise the cross-ability of packages in the online package matrix
11:45 < rxr> or better yet advertise the negated form: "Remark: This package is not yet cross aware" in absense of the flag - so people browsing the packages, e.g. the original authors get a notice to work on it
11:46 < rxr> ok - will do all this next time I touch the cross build stuff this week
11:46 < mtr> hmm, i am not sure, i think the positive indication would be enough, since a lot of packages (kde, gnome, ...) wuold be really hard to X-compile
11:48 < rxr> but nice to be able too
11:49 < rxr> e.g. a minimal live build nearly consumes a week on the 360MHz UltraSPARC
11:49 < rxr> would be awesome to cross bulid firefox et al. :-))
11:49 < mtr> if could ever get rid of this autocrap stuff ...
11:50 < rxr> or libtool ....
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12:07 < rxr> http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/6.0.3/minimal-desktop-live-sparc64/
12:08 < rxr> valentin: ^- tested to even bring up a Sun Creator 3D up correctly :-))
12:08 < rxr> our LiveCD technology (tm) really rocks, we just have to wrap it more colorful and advertise it appropriately ...
12:28 < CIA-18> rene * r23368 /trunk/package/security/xyssl/xyssl.desc: * updated xyssl (0.5 -> 0.6)
12:30 < CIA-18> rene * r23369 /trunk/package/develop/re2c/re2c.desc: * updated re2c (0.11.2 -> 0.11.3)
12:34 < CIA-18> rene * r23370 /trunk/package/security/axtls/axtls.desc: * updated axtls (1.1.0 -> 1.1.2)
12:39 < CIA-18> rene * r23371 /trunk/package/graphic/argyllcms/ (. argyllcms.cache argyllcms.desc): * added argyllcms (0.60) - An open source, ICC compatible color management system
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14:34 < mtr> rxr: the strace avr32 patch clashes with the .mips patch :(
14:37 < mtr> rxr: could we add the avr32 patches conditional based on $arc ?
14:37 < mtr> *$arch
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14:51 < rxr> mtr: yes, sure we could, or merge them :-)
14:51 < rxr> either solution is fine with me
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15:39 < rxr> moin Kleper
15:39 < Kleper> hi rxr
15:39 < Kleper> any one speak spanish?
15:40 < Kleper> i so bad for write english..
15:40 < Kleper> and i like ask something about t2 :)
15:40 < Kleper> yesterday i finish to compile the trunk
15:40 < Kleper> and make the iso, this is of 450mb is ok?
15:41 < Kleper> i compile a basic packages whit X
15:41 < Capey> sounds about right
15:41 < rxr> it contains all development headers and such
15:42 < rxr> if you want it smaller you can remove developmet stuff ...
15:42 < Kleper> no i dont need it smaller, i was thinking that are more bigger
15:43 < Kleper> i cant understand the method before installing packages
15:43 < Capey> if i recall right ExactDesktop takes 2 cds, but your 450mb sounds about right when configured with minimal+xorg
15:44 < Capey> damm, hopefully i get first test of wrt2 before next weekend, will be off for few days while visiting parents
15:45 < Capey> for some reason, the final .config of kernel isnt correct and kernel fails
15:45 < Capey> build fails that is
15:45 < Kleper> where i can download targets?
15:46 < Kleper> i remember on the t2-2.2 this have more targets...
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15:50 < Capey> Kleper: very target should be present or maybe even more on trunk. someof might got a new name tho
15:50 < Capey> very=every
15:51 < Capey> what target are you looking for?
15:51 < Kleper> a target tha make a desktop t2
15:51 < Kleper> i remember that compile 2 cds
15:52 < Capey> that target is now named ExactDesktop
15:52 < Capey> but i'm afraid there isnt downloadable ExactDesktop target from trunk atm
15:53 < Capey> and so it needs to be build from source
15:53 < Capey> downloadable iso that is
15:54 < Capey> target define itself is on trunk source
15:56 < Kleper> ok thanks
16:22 < mtr> rxr: i do not understand r22860, and it breaks my cross build, as the .conf comment says: "runk source
16:22 < mtr> "the included libtool is too broken for cross builds" ...
16:22 < rxr> this is libjpeg ?
16:26 < mtr> yes
16:26 < mtr> error messages is: make: ./libtool: Command not found
16:26 < rxr> hm - it was created on my build
16:26 < rxr> it was to use the included libtool and not a system one
16:27 < rxr> that worked very well for my AVR32 build where it failed otherwise
16:27 < rxr> strange
16:27 < rxr> maybe revert it locally
16:27 < mtr> ltconfig fails: "./config.guess: line 848: ./dummy: cannot execute binary file"
16:27 < rxr> I setup a continous regression tester again so we will get some nicely plotted date when what broken and such
16:27 < rxr> including automatic testing of all the included architectures ...
16:28 < mtr> would be nice to include mips then ... ;-)
16:29 < rxr> definetly ...
16:29 < rxr> I think before the changelog we called some fresh toolchain libtool
16:29 < rxr> on my build that hat the problem to use system libraries, and thus I choose the libjpeg included one
16:30 < rxr> I'll see in a testbuild just started
16:30 < rxr> and I have reviewing libtool injecting this static /usr/lib/libstc++.so sting into the build anyway
16:30 < rxr> we workarounded that for most libdir == lib64 cases, but it bite me back on sparc64 with 32bit user-space ...
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16:56 < CIA-18> rene * r23372 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: * log make call used to build the kernels
16:57 < CIA-18> rene * r23373 /trunk/architecture/powerpc64/ (kernel.conf.m4 kernel26-disable.lst):
16:57 < CIA-18> * updated powerpc64 kernel config for defconf-less builds and
16:57 < CIA-18> updated the latest list of modules that fail to build on
16:57 < CIA-18> powerpc64
17:41 < rxr> re
17:41 < rxr> mtr: what do you think about renaming the config option
17:41 < rxr> - [ $stagelevel -le "$SDECFG_ABORT_ON_ERROR_AFTER" ] ; then
17:41 < rxr> + [ $stagelevel -le "$SDECFG_CONTINUE_ON_ERROR_AFTER" ]; then
17:41 < rxr> the option is named inverse to it's meaning right now ...
17:46 < rxr> of course -/+ some more renames, the above is just the example
18:05 < mtr> the hlp text is correct, just the option name is misleading
18:05 < rxr> yep
18:05 < mtr> so, don't know, i get used the old inverse name ;)
18:06 < rxr> I shiffer every time it scrolls by ...
18:14 < LMJ> moin moin
18:16 < CIA-18> rene * r23374 /trunk/package/mail/postfix/postfix.desc: * updated postfix (2.3.8 -> 2.4.0)
18:46 < CIA-18> rene * r23375 /trunk/package/lua/lua/lua.desc: * updated lua (5.1.1 -> 5.1.2)
19:01 < CIA-18> rene * r23376 /trunk/misc/luabash/lua/ (13 files): * imported lua (5.1.2) for our luabash
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19:31 < rxr> moin shevy
19:32 < shevy> yos
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19:34 < rxr> so - /me out of office in a second ... cu then
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21:03 < d-marc> hi
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