T2 IRC Log: 2007-03-28

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--- Log opened Wed Mar 28 00:00:57 2007
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08:47 < rxr> moin
08:56 < CIA-18> rene * r23263 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/50-minimal-desktop.in:
08:56 < CIA-18> * removed exim and the non-matching "xine" (we just have xine-libs
08:56 < CIA-18> and xine-ui) as well as added ffmpeg in the minimal-desktop pre-
08:56 < CIA-18> selection template
09:07 < CIA-18> susan * r23264 /trunk/package/network/dnrd/dnrd.desc: * updated dnrd (2.20.2 -> 2.20.3)
09:08 < CIA-18> susan * r23265 /trunk/package/gnome2/deskbar-applet/deskbar-applet.desc: * updated deskbar-applet (2.17.93 -> 2.18.0)
09:08 < CIA-18> susan * r23266 /trunk/package/dictionary/kanatest/kanatest.desc: * updated kanatest (0.4.1 -> 0.4.2)
09:08 < CIA-18> susan * r23267 /trunk/package/graphic/djvulibre/djvulibre.desc: * updated djvulibre (3.5.18 -> 3.5.19)
09:08 < CIA-18> susan * r23268 /trunk/package/textproc/raptor/raptor.desc: * updated raptor (1.4.14 -> 1.4.15)
09:13 < CIA-18> rene * r23269 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nv/xf86-video-nv.desc: * updated xf86-video-nv (2.0.0 -> 2.0.1)
09:17 < mtr> moin
09:17 < CIA-18> rene * r23270 /trunk/package/mail/dovecot/dovecot.desc: * updated dovecot (1.0.rc27 -> 1.0.rc28)
09:23 < CIA-18> susan * r23271 /trunk/package/network/rtorrent/rtorrent.desc: * updated rtorrent (0.7.2 -> 0.7.3)
09:26 < rxr> mon mtr
09:26 < rxr> how are you?
09:26 [Users #t2]
09:26 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-18] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
09:26 [ AStorm ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ th ]
09:26 [ Capey ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ TobiX]
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09:29 < CIA-18> rene * r23272 /trunk/package/security/dirmngr/dirmngr.desc: * updated dirmngr (0.9.3 -> 0.9.7)
09:34 < CIA-18> rene * r23273 /trunk/package/network/libtorrent/libtorrent.desc: * updated libtorrent (0.11.2 -> 0.11.3)
09:43 < CIA-18> rene * r23274 /trunk/package/base/readline/readline.desc: * updated readline (5.2-001 -> 5.2-002)
09:51 < mtr> hi rxr
09:51 * mtr did survive CeBit ... ;-)
09:52 < mtr> as i read in the logs you had many many interesting new contacts for T2
09:52 < mtr> arggh, phone ringing again ...
10:11 < rxr> yes, was quite fine
10:12 < rxr> of course it depends what we can make out of the contact ...
10:12 < rxr> so - we are off some hours - cu
10:32 < mtr> cu
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13:15 < mtr> rxr: Create-ErrList -newdelete -dry-run does not work as expected - the -dry-run seems to be ignored :(
13:15 < mtr> somehow related to r23186?
13:18 < mtr> 23186 rene [ "$dryrun" = "1" ] && uninstall_pkg build/$SDECFG_ID $pkg
13:18 < mtr> shouldn't it be dryrun = 0 ?
13:21 < rxr> for me it worked
13:21 < rxr> err one second
13:21 < rxr> indeed
13:21 < AStorm> :P
13:21 < AStorm> Ok, almost got the new fast pendrive.
13:22 < AStorm> That will certainly be a motivator :P
13:22 < AStorm> Other than that, I'm doing the split debug properly now.
13:22 < rxr> - [ "$dryrun" = "1" ] && uninstall_pkg build/$SDECFG_ID $pkg
13:22 < rxr> - [ "$dryrun" = "1" ] && rm -f build/$SDECFG_ID/var/adm/*/?-$pkg.*
13:22 < rxr> + [ "$dryrun" = "1" ] || uninstall_pkg build/$SDECFG_ID $pkg
13:22 < rxr> + [ "$dryrun" = "1" ] || rm -f build/$SDECFG_ID/var/adm/*/?-$pkg.*
13:22 < rxr> else
13:22 < rxr> echo "Scheduling package '$pkg' for rebuild ..."
13:22 < rxr> - [ "$dryrun" = "1" ] && rm -f build/$SDECFG_ID/var/adm/*/?-$pkg.*
13:22 < rxr> + [ "$dryrun" = "1" ] || rm -f build/$SDECFG_ID/var/adm/*/?-$pkg.*
13:24 < AStorm> rxr: where was I to add that split debug again?
13:24 < AStorm> Some hook, but where?
13:25 < CIA-18> rene * r23275 /trunk/scripts/Create-ErrList: * fixed Create-ErrList -dry-run conditional that recently was inverted accidently
13:27 < AStorm> I mean, where does one customarily add these?
13:27 < AStorm> is functions.in the right placE?
13:29 < AStorm> Hm, and I've a tiny problem...
13:30 < AStorm> the postflist hook will make the package not record the .debug files :P
13:30 < AStorm> I should rather do it before flist, but then, finding the executables will require find :P
13:30 < AStorm> (or some ugly hack)
13:32 < rxr> AStorm: you can manually add the generated files to the flist in that hook
13:32 < AStorm> I know, just sounds hacky :P
13:32 < rxr> I think postflist is the only chance to get all files automatically ...
13:32 < AStorm> Mhm.
13:32 < AStorm> But I only want executables and lists :P
13:32 < rxr> well - for each file do objdump ; strip ; add_to_flist
13:32 < rxr> done
13:32 < AStorm> And it won't work :P
13:33 < AStorm> will error out on non-execs :P
13:33 < AStorm> Ugly :P
13:33 < AStorm> Would have to do the add_to_flist conditionally on $?
13:33 < AStorm> of the objdump
13:33 < AStorm> maybe strip too.
13:34 < AStorm> Hm.
13:34 < AStorm> And adding the hook itself in init_all_hooks, right?
13:34 < AStorm> (of course, when the config variable is set properly)
13:34 < rxr> well - of course with the conditional checking for executabls / success ...
13:35 < rxr> no - the scripts/ should not be touched with this
13:35 < AStorm> Right, except the config.
13:35 < rxr> rather do this in gdb or maybe even better binutils
13:35 < rxr> /parse-config
13:35 < AStorm> Yes yes.
13:35 < AStorm> Ok.
13:36 < AStorm> And add the hook there?
13:36 < AStorm> (I mean, enable it)
13:36 < AStorm> Or just a separate file, which is sourced in case of $CFGSDE_DEBUG = 2?
13:37 < AStorm> (in parse-config)
13:39 < AStorm> There's no "hooks" directory :>
13:42 < AStorm> grepping for "hook" shows only functions.in :P
13:42 < AStorm> Ok, maybe not only
13:43 < AStorm> some "misc/tail"
13:44 < AStorm> So you say, I should create a subdir there, like splitdebug
13:44 < AStorm> and put the hook and parse-config overlay there?
13:46 < AStorm> I'll move whole debugging there then, why not :>
13:48 < rxr> binutils/parse-config should work
13:49 < rxr> adding the hook function in their based on the config setting
13:49 < AStorm> Ok, so it goes there.
13:49 < AStorm> The basic config selection should stay the same as it is, or do I have to add some sourcing?
13:50 < rxr> you mean the Config exposed switch?
13:51 < rxr> maybe we add a second one so the config remains compatible across versions
13:51 < AStorm> It will still.
13:51 < AStorm> That's why the value's 2
13:51 < rxr> a seperate bool asking whether to seperate the debug info if the first is enabled ...
13:51 < AStorm> 0 and 1 are taken :>
13:51 < rxr> hm ,ok
13:52 < AStorm> This binutils/parse-config I have to create, right? (in misc)
13:58 < rxr> in package/base/binutils/parse-config
13:59 < AStorm> Hmm, ok.
13:59 < AStorm> But will that be parsed on every package? :>
13:59 < AStorm> (I mean, will the hook be enabled from there properly)
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14:08 < AStorm> Ok, will that path be correct?
14:08 < AStorm> $root/$SDECFG_DEBUG_PATH/$f.debug
14:08 < AStorm> (on postflist)
14:08 < AStorm> $f is read from stding
14:08 < AStorm> *stdin
14:13 < rxr> you mean to allow having some top-level /debug or so dir?
14:13 < rxr> it would be empty by default ?
14:13 < AStorm> Yep.
14:13 < AStorm> It would be created in the hook, probably
14:14 < AStorm> So that you could have 10 separate debug dirs :P
14:14 < AStorm> (the executables contain the debuglink :> )
14:14 < AStorm> s/executables/ELF format files/
14:15 < rxr> what would the user enter there?
14:15 < AStorm> /opt/debug is the default
14:15 < AStorm> so I guess something like that
14:16 < rxr> opt/debug? didn't you write that other distributions use something ilke debug/$f or so per directory where file $f is in ?
14:16 < AStorm> Yes, they do
14:16 < AStorm> and it makes a great mess
14:16 < AStorm> :P
14:16 < AStorm> It's harder to split the debugging info then
14:17 < rxr> harder to split ?
14:17 < rxr> you mean to find it by an human?
14:17 < rxr> well, when this ./debug/$f is already established maybe this should be the default and other styles available for optional selection ?
14:18 < AStorm> Well...
14:18 < AStorm> Well
14:18 < AStorm> if you set the debug path to ""
14:18 < AStorm> it's close :P
14:18 < AStorm> it will create the .debug files by the executables
14:18 < AStorm> Hm
14:20 < AStorm> well, the debugging options could also add -g3 to the flags
14:20 < AStorm> -g == -g2
14:20 < AStorm> (same, but w/o macro expansion)
14:22 < th> as i can see there is no "server" target or something...
14:22 < th> would i use the generic target?
14:22 < AStorm> Yes.
14:22 < th> are there some maintained pkgsels?
14:22 < AStorm> or write your own
14:37 < AStorm> rxr: to reiterate: will that parse-config be ran on each package?
14:41 < CIA-18> rene * r23276 /trunk/package/base/sysstat/ (sysstat.conf sysstat.desc): * updated sysstat (7.1.1 -> 7.1.3)
14:46 < rxr> yes
14:46 < AStorm> Good. BTW, how can one split SVN commits? :>
14:47 < AStorm> I mean, only commit a part of the change
14:47 < rxr> th: yes the package selection templates exists, minimal, minimal-xorg, minimal-desktop
14:47 < rxr> maybe use minimal for your server
14:47 < rxr> or start a minimal-server one ?
14:47 < th> sounds still familiar ;)
14:47 < th> do you have a bbs pkgsel?
14:47 < rxr> bbs ?
14:48 < th> buildbootstrap
14:48 < rxr> heh, no
14:48 < th> including everything to build
14:48 < th> including ssh and svn
14:48 < rxr> guess our minimal comes close
14:48 < th> and all refbuilds happen on fresh installs of this generic-pkgsel
14:48 < th> actually i used minimal as a scratch for the bbs
14:49 < rxr> but we focus to be buildable on even crappy linux messes due to companies cross-building embedded products with T2 on RedHat and SuSE, et al.
14:49 < rxr> you are free to send a bbs pkgsel :-)
14:50 < th> "being able to build" and having a consistent and non-chaning reference buildplatform are two distinct things
14:51 < rxr> of course
14:51 < rxr> if you want to send a minimal-bootstrap-whatever patch it's welcome .-)
14:52 < AStorm> minimal-useless-system you mean? :>
14:56 < CIA-18> rene * r23277 /tags/6.0.3/: * tagged 6.0.3
14:59 < AStorm> rxr: like this? http://wklej.org/id/8e213b52eb
14:59 < AStorm> (don't mind the whitespace damage - can't paste it much better :P )
15:01 < rxr> I would keep the debug dir creation in the parse-config
15:01 < AStorm> Well, impossible
15:01 < rxr> Build-Pkg should become more modular, not get new files ...
15:01 < AStorm> It's like /opt/debug/usr/lib/libc.so.6
15:01 < AStorm> :>
15:02 < rxr> well - before the foreach do the mkdir ...
15:02 < AStorm> Whoops, I forgot to back off that change
15:02 < AStorm> it's not necessary
15:02 < rxr> yeha, ok :-)
15:02 < AStorm> rxr: uh... notice the dirname
15:02 < rxr> and then you have no feeding with the file list in the function
15:02 < AStorm> It's like /opt/lib/usr/bin/gcc.debug
15:02 < AStorm> :-)
15:03 < rxr> and no check for executables
15:03 < AStorm> rxr: notice the error check against objdump
15:03 < rxr> and please do not copy a ROCK Linux copyright when you start a file from sratch
15:03 < rxr> AStorm: ah, ok
15:03 < AStorm> Aha, thanks then :P
15:03 < AStorm> Just used the tools :P
15:03 < rxr> but it might aboart the build on error
15:03 < rxr> just do objdump ... || continue :-)
15:03 < AStorm> Hmm...
15:04 < AStorm> Yep, simpler :P
15:04 < rxr> usually the T2 scripts are run with set -e to abort on the first error
15:04 < AStorm> Ah, thanks for the heads-up
15:04 < AStorm> I've yet to test it
15:04 < AStorm> then patchbomb you
15:05 < th> hehe - apropos. i found one in the live cd's resolv.conf
15:05 < rxr> don't forget to feed your loop with the flist content ...
15:05 < rxr> th: ?
15:05 < th> rxr: on the t-resc
15:05 < th> /etc/resolv.conf
15:06 < AStorm> rxr: isn't that passed as the argument?
15:08 < AStorm> Ah yes, now I get it (checked the static lib postflist hook)
15:08 < rxr> th: you mean ROCK header?
15:08 < th> rxr: yes
15:09 < rxr> th: sure, we did not can do not want and are not allowed to remove them :-)
15:10 < th> well you can replace the resolv.conf
15:10 < rxr> yeah, ...
15:12 < CIA-18> rene * r23278 /tags/6.0.3/scripts/parse-config: * bumped version to 6.0.3 for release
15:13 < th> there are no general pkgsels anymore? only per target?
15:13 < rxr> what do you mean ?
15:14 < rxr> the package preselection templates only work on the generic target
15:14 < rxr> other target usually imply way more destinct selection and those tempaltes are incompatible
15:14 < th> so why are there 7 pkgsel dir's ?
15:14 < rxr> dirts?
15:14 < rxr> dirs?
15:14 < rxr> can you point me to some url ?
15:14 < th> oh
15:14 < th> that's not dirs
15:15 < th> files
15:15 < th> and for generic
15:15 < th> it's a dir
15:15 < th> t2-trunk % ls -ld `find -name pkgsel`
15:15 < rxr> well
15:15 < rxr> this pkgsel is our preferred way to do the selecciton
15:15 < rxr> most targets have one
15:15 < rxr> and there are those templates for the generic resisting in target/generic/pkgsel/
15:16 < rxr> also not that our pkgsels allow a include statement and some other tricks and are parsed by Lua ...
15:16 < th> but i can still build a generic target with one of these pkgsels?
15:16 < rxr> == way faster
15:16 < rxr> yes
15:16 < rxr> those pre-selection are only selectable for the generic target
15:16 < th> hmmm.
15:16 < rxr> as they do not work well with other, e.g. embedded targets and so on
15:16 < th> interesting
15:16 < rxr> those target are usually designed for a specific package set
15:17 < rxr> not some random other selection
15:17 < th> i could see some sense for different pkgsels for e.g. the desktop target
15:17 < th> or for a (non existing) server target
15:17 < rxr> sure, but they need to be designed for desktop use
15:17 < rxr> the desktop target could expose it's own
15:18 < rxr> the embedded target even (currently via the old, ugly sed stuff) does major reselection based on whether a dietlibc or uclibc embedded target is wanted
15:18 < AStorm> rxr: btw, why is the config system so _sloooow_
15:18 < AStorm> Like 5s/menu
15:18 < AStorm> on my C2D
15:18 < rxr> AStorm: because all the files are re-read and reparsed on every selection
15:18 < AStorm> Sounds yucky :>
15:18 < rxr> the Config even starts itself again on each selection
15:18 < AStorm> Gah.
15:18 < rxr> we have rewriting it on the TODO since some time already
15:18 < AStorm> :>
15:19 < rxr> if you want to do this, preferable in Lua you are very welcome
15:19 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
15:19 < AStorm> Well, Lua is not my forte (though I know it), but maybe, yes.
15:19 < AStorm> Why not :-)
15:19 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/soc.html
15:19 < AStorm> First things first, anyway :>
15:19 < rxr> http://bugs.t2-project.org
15:20 < rxr> ^- if you have too much time implement planned things ...
15:20 < AStorm> rxr: it's too late for SoC now, anyway
15:20 < AStorm> Slept over the registration
15:20 < AStorm> will still help you
15:20 < rxr> yeah, google did not accept T2 this year anyway :-((
15:20 < rxr> guess they throw the project name into google and accept the applications by the numer of google hits they get ...
15:20 < rxr> guess under a milion they can them or so ...
15:20 < rxr> well - we work on to get in next year :-)
15:23 < AStorm> Same with initng :P
15:23 < AStorm> (which is my list of things to integrate with T2)
15:28 < AStorm> *on my list
15:34 < AStorm> Some of those SoC ideas are... great :-)
15:35 < AStorm> Esp. the multilib fix
15:36 < AStorm> I think that creating real system tags would help it
15:37 < AStorm> e.g. store the CHOST and some additional info in the flist
15:38 < AStorm> Modify dependency system to take it into account (32-bit pkgs only depping on 32-bit ones)
15:38 < AStorm> That would also help with creating parallel systems :>
15:39 < AStorm> It'd be nice to mark some files as arch-independent, e.g. html docs, manpages, other junk
15:39 < AStorm> Most everything of /usr/share
15:43 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 6.0.2 Released! | trunk heading for 7.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
15:43 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Thu Dec 7 14:05:35 2006]
15:43 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 6.0.3Released! | trunk heading for 7.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
15:43 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 6.0.3 Released! | trunk heading for 7.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
15:43 < rxr> so - enjoey
15:43 < rxr> -e
15:44 < AStorm> :-)
15:49 < CIA-18> mtr * r23279 /trunk/package/base/upstart/ (upstart.conf upstart.desc):
15:49 < CIA-18> * updated upstart (0.3.7 -> 0.3.8)
15:49 < CIA-18> * added example job definitions
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16:00 < LMJ2> moin moin
16:01 * LMJ2 from work
16:06 < LMJ2> net-snmp fails on 6.0 and trunk : http://pastebin.ca/413495
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16:12 < rxr> built fine here: less build/default-7.0-trunk-reference-x86-athlon-xp/var/adm/logs/5-net-snmp.log
16:12 < LMJ2> arg
16:13 < rxr> do you read the error?
16:13 < rxr> it appears to be complaining about --with-ssl as far as I can see
16:13 < LMJ2> let me update trunk
16:13 < rxr> did you add that manually somewhere ?
16:13 < LMJ2> no
16:18 < AStorm> missing openssl or gnutls maybe?
16:18 < AStorm> or according perl modules :P
16:22 < LMJ2> anyway, gtg
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16:40 < CIA-18> rene * r23280 /trunk/package/network/lftp/lftp.desc: * updated lftp (3.5.9 -> 3.5.10)
16:49 < th> is there something i can extract on some hdd when booted in live-cd to chroot into and start building?
16:55 < rxr> the t-resc you got or the 6.0.3 minimal-xorg ones ?
16:56 < th> the t-resc
16:56 < th> but the question was meant in general
16:56 < th> some build environment to chroot into
16:59 < rxr> the t-resc ships without compiler, linker and such ...
16:59 < th> that's why i was asking for something to extract to chroot into to have compilers in there
17:00 < rxr> the more complete live-cds such as the 6.0.3 one can of course my copied to the hard-disc
17:02 < rxr> s/my/be/ -^
17:03 < th> ok - so i can put an iso of a more complete live-cd on the booted t-resc loop-mount it, and copy it on the hdd and then chroot into it.
17:05 < rxr> yep
17:05 < rxr> loop mount the live.squash in the image, it's the compressed SquashFS rootfs
17:18 < CIA-18> rene * r23281 /trunk/package/base/atop/ (. atop.cache atop.desc install.patch): * added atop (1.20) - A monitor for system resources and process activity
17:19 < rxr> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=04140
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19:00 < rxr> so - puh - T2 mirror cgi script works again ...
19:00 < rxr> we went thru a major exactcode.de site change required some tinkering to wire the old url to the new t2-project.org home ...
19:00 < rxr> so old T2 installs and continue to just retreive the mirror list ...
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19:00 [ AStorm ] [ emte_ ] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
19:00 [ Capey ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ th ]
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19:20 < R4gnar0k> re
19:21 < rxr> mon R4gnar0k
19:21 < rxr> moin even
19:21 < Stelz> rehi R4gnar0k
19:21 < Stelz> hi rxr
19:26 < CIA-18> rene * r23282 /trunk/scripts/Download:
19:26 < CIA-18> * changed mirror download URL from http://exactcode.de to
19:26 < CIA-18> http://t2-project.org, the new, primary location
19:26 < rxr> hi Stelz
19:27 < rxr> the former location does RedirectPermanently to the new location for past T2 releases ...
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20:03 < rxr> hi d-marc
20:03 < rxr> d-marc: sorry, off home in some seconds
20:03 < rxr> and rebooting my MacBook to test a new kernel ...
20:06 < rxr> d-marc: oh - I think I did not tell you the cebit photo link yet, did I?
20:07 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Cebit-2007/
20:18 < rxr> omg: http://www.uranium.info/prices/monthly.html
20:18 < rxr> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/03/28/1248228.shtml
20:25 < d-marc> thanks!
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21:20 < AStorm> sepp: hullo
21:20 < AStorm> Hey guys, what is stopping you from using lxdialog and the rest of the kernel configuration system in T2 instead of the current one or implementing one yourself?
21:21 < AStorm> It's written in portable C :>
21:21 < AStorm> Should work everywhere Linux works on.
21:22 < AStorm> Or, if you don't like the license, use the Busybox config system.
21:23 < AStorm> Or maybe that's some case of NIH syndrome?
21:23 < AStorm> :>
21:28 < AStorm> The only change would be that you'd get no "export" keywords in the config file
21:28 < AStorm> And would have to convert the current config system to kernel configuration language (just modify the .hlp file :P )
21:29 < AStorm> I'll see if that flies.
21:30 < AStorm> Hmm. And maybe allow running full kernel config from it too. This would run some script that'd download the source and run ARCH=.... make menuconfig
21:32 < AStorm> Now, on to testing the split debug patch.
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21:54 < misl> hi folks
21:56 < AStorm> rxr: good, the debug patch works fine.
21:56 < AStorm> Except it creates some /opt/debug/var/adm/... dirs :P
21:56 < AStorm> I guess these end up in the flist
21:56 < AStorm> I'll modify it, so that it splits the debug to some tmp dir
21:57 < AStorm> And then if it succeeds, creates the dir and moves.
21:59 < AStorm> What temporary dir should I use?
22:03 < AStorm> Hmm...
22:03 < AStorm> it misses the crosscc somehow
22:03 < AStorm> as if those files aren't passed to flist or don't contain debugging info
22:03 < AStorm> That's why that -g3 is essential.
22:19 < AStorm> hm.
22:21 < AStorm> :-)
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22:26 < AStorm> Hmm, so I should just use mktemp, huh? :>
22:28 < AStorm> rxr: how would I get the filtered flist?
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22:39 < nowYY> hi
22:45 < sepp> hi nowYY
22:54 < nowYY> is there a binary package management for t2 based distros? with dependency resolving maybe ?
22:56 < sepp> something like apt-get or whatever? no
22:56 < nowYY> how about pkg-tool?
22:56 < sepp> what is that?
22:57 < nowYY> pkg installation (in slackware) without dep resolving :)
22:58 < sepp> you can do that
23:00 < sepp> well, without dep resolving it means just extracting a tar.bz2, so that is not really hard to do
23:03 < sepp> the tool you can use for binary packages is called mine, but there is some plan to replace that
23:07 < nowYY> i see
23:08 < nowYY> it d be really cool if one could create rpm or deb from t2 packages, as they have dependency solving rc files
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23:11 < sepp> the dep info is already there, just some tool missing
23:12 < nowYY> yeah
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