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07:55 < AStorm> Huh, you don't have a new LiveCD.
07:55 < AStorm> or InstallCD.
07:55 < AStorm> And the ones available are i586 :P
07:58 < AStorm> I'll try Lunar Linux' install cd.
07:59 < AStorm> Hmm.... non-multilib.
08:01 < AStorm> Is there some documentation for embeddedSTL available?
08:02 < AStorm> (e.g. the differences from libstdc++ or SGI's)
08:27 < rxr> re
08:27 < rxr> embeddedSTL is highly unfinshed
08:27 < rxr> currently it just implements the basic interns + string and vector ++
08:27 < rxr> those are 1:1 API compatible
08:28 < rxr> and that is the plan, be 1:1 compatible (except maybe saving some exceptions and allocators) so you can exchange code
08:28 < rxr> unlike ustl which has a different naming and interfaces
08:43 < CIA-8> susan * r22867 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (2.6.STABLE9 -> 2.6.STABLE10)
08:43 < CIA-8> susan * r22868 /trunk/package/network/socat/socat.desc: * updated socat (1.5.0.0 -> 1.6.0.0)
08:43 < AStorm> rxr, could help you a bit.
08:43 < AStorm> I need some parts of STL, e.g. iterators
08:43 < AStorm> lists, ropes
08:47 < rxr> you found the SVN repository of the embeddedSTL ?
08:48 < AStorm> Not yet?
08:48 < rxr> do you need reals streams?
08:49 < rxr> currently the streams are just a quick hack around the C streams to get the usual stdin/out and files going
08:49 < rxr> they need to be rewritten to use real streambuffers to they are extendable and we get a stringstream
08:50 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/embeddedSTL/trunk/
08:50 < AStorm> rxr, not yet
08:50 < AStorm> Though I might implement streambuffers... it'd be quite hard though to implement them on as-needed basis
08:50 < AStorm> E.g. only the functionality actually used is included.
08:51 < AStorm> Hmm... malloc? Are you nuts? :P
08:52 < AStorm> Use a custom allocator, should be smaller even :P
08:52 < AStorm> I mean chunked allocator.
08:52 < AStorm> For speed and other stuff.
08:52 < AStorm> (for size, leave malloc - ifdefs aren't bad)
08:53 < AStorm> Hm.
08:53 < AStorm> There's almost no code in the library?
08:54 < AStorm> Well... the fstream looks ok, if you aim at the small size.
08:54 < rxr> most is in the headers anyway
08:55 < rxr> well - so far I only filled in the gaps I neeed for hotplug++
08:55 < rxr> plus some notes what would be needed for ExactImage
08:55 < rxr> right now I do not really have the time to work at all on it:-)
08:55 < rxr> :-( even
08:55 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/exact-image/
08:56 < AStorm> Well, list would be a wrapper around simple C pointer list.
08:56 < AStorm> The iterators... maybe we can make them smaller by skipping some safety belts (optionally)
08:56 < AStorm> e.g. the enforcement of "no change" policy for forward iterators...
08:57 < AStorm> Anyway, iterators would be converted to pointer operations.
08:57 < AStorm> Where .end would be just NULL :>
08:58 < AStorm> (maybe - it depends if you must be able to store nulls)
08:58 < AStorm> (if so, then change it to store the end too - optional code, as it's larger and slower)
08:59 < AStorm> Resizing would be realloc in the simple case...
09:00 < AStorm> and just changing the size in chunked allocator otherwise.
09:01 < AStorm> BTW, you don't control malloc errors in new operator
09:01 < AStorm> Say, ENOMEM.
09:01 < rxr> :-)
09:01 < rxr> any patch appareciated, fell free to stick your code ideas into it
09:01 < AStorm> I will, as I need nice small STL
09:01 < AStorm> To show some idiots that C++ can be small :P
09:02 < rxr> yeah, ...
09:02 < AStorm> Then, I have to implement everything that libtraceback uses (or whatitscalled)
09:05 < AStorm> libwrapiter for instance
09:08 < AStorm> The traceback lib is libebt :>
09:10 < AStorm> http://libebt.berlios.de/
09:12 < AStorm> This means implementing some rudimentary exceptions here and there. Not all that hard.
09:12 < AStorm> And the list.
09:13 < AStorm> The list will be first.
09:19 < AStorm> BTW, your "new" is totally incomplete
09:19 < AStorm> cannot run initialisers.
09:19 < AStorm> There should be a version taking some function pointer.
09:20 < AStorm> delete should call the destructor too.
09:20 < AStorm> (this will be hard)
09:22 < CIA-8> rene * r22869 /trunk/package/network/arpwatch-ng/arpwatch-ng.desc: * updated arpwatch-ng (1.6 -> 1.7)
09:24 < rxr> libebt just consists of headers ?
09:26 < AStorm> Probably yes.
09:26 < AStorm> Just defines some types.
09:27 < AStorm> (e.g. Backtraceable)
09:27 < AStorm> (Context)
09:27 < AStorm> But it requires some more of STL than the embedded one contains right now.
09:41 < CIA-8> rene * r22870 /trunk/package/develop/libebt/ (. libebt.cache libebt.desc): * added libebt (1.3.0) - Elegant C++ backtraces
09:44 < CIA-8> rene * r22871 /trunk/package/develop/protothreads/ (. protothreads.cache protothreads.conf protothreads.desc): * added protothreads (1.4) - Extremely lightweight stackless threads in C
10:15 < CIA-8> rene * r22872 /trunk/package/develop/libuninum/libuninum.desc: * updated libuninum (2.1 -> 2.2)
10:17 < sepp> moin :)
10:21 < rxr> moin moin sepp 
10:21 < rxr> valentin: in the current iX is an article about Trac
10:21 < sepp> hi rxr 
10:21 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/ix/artikel/2007/04/078/
10:22 < rxr> [-] unter Umständen komplexe Installationsvoraussetzungen
10:22 < rxr> ^- heh  - *lol*
10:25 < rxr> lol2: http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher/bga/bga1.jpg
10:25 < rxr> http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher/bga/index.html
11:07 < CIA-8> rene * r22873 /branches/6.0/package/security/gnupg/gnupg.desc: * merged r22850 from trunk: updated gnupg (1.4.6 -> 1.4.7)
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11:22 < valentin> rxr: you want to build such an bga soldering robot ?
11:22 < rxr> nope not today ...
11:23 < rxr> when we do our own HW we will give the layout and pieces to some foundry to produce the board and throw the pieces onto it with some real industrial robot ...
11:23 < rxr> I do not wanna fight misaligned BGA chips and the like ...
11:23 < rxr> or flanky connections ...
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11:24 < rxr> just wondered why the AVR32 board kept rebooting sporadically
11:24 < rxr> eventually found out that the damn lab power supply has aging potis and the output power dropped below 8V ...
11:25  * rxr should solder new ones into the PSU some time soon
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11:57 < rxr> hi LMJ_work 
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12:03 < TobiX> Mornin'
12:06 < Stelz> moin
12:07 < rxr> hi tobix and stelz
12:07 < Stelz> hello rxr
12:54 < LMJ_work> moin moin
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13:15 < LMJ_work> moin moin
13:15 < rxr> heh grabbed me a new office chair ...
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14:06 < rxr> mtr: I guess your usual cross built stuff does not include much C++ code ?
14:15 < LMJ_work> got a problem to compile php from trunk, it looks for postgresql what i don't want anymore ! !> checking for pg_config... not found   !> configure: error: Cannot find libpq-fe.h. Please specify correct PostgreSQL installation path
14:15 < LMJ_work> how to force to not use it
14:17 < rxr> is it installed on your system?
14:17 < LMJ_work> i guess not, it failed, let me check
14:17 < rxr> I bet mysql.conf has something like if pkginstalled postgresql ...
14:17 < LMJ_work> 9-postgresql.err
14:18 < LMJ_work> it failed
14:19 < LMJ_work> how i could fix it ?
14:21 < rxr> mine -rf postgresql
14:23 < LMJ_work> done ;)
14:23 < LMJ_work> Emerge -deps=none php
14:27 < LMJ_work> argg
14:28 < LMJ_work> php compilation on x64 : http://pastebin.ca/386167
14:29 < rxr> (in fact I'm quite a fan of pasting the error tail here, so people can find this conversation with google ...)
14:29 < rxr> LMJ_work: hm - no idea where "ext/standard/.libs/basic_functions.o:(.data.rel+0x2e68): undefined reference to `zif_glob'
14:29 < rxr> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status"
14:29 < rxr> comes from
14:29 < rxr> I could test on my core duo locally as well
14:29 < rxr> in some minutes
14:29 < rxr> right now I need it's computing power to test some c++ cross build changes in t2
14:30 < rxr> LMJ_work: btw. x64 comes from the windows world and is quite senseless ...
14:30 < rxr> the non Windows user classification os this is x86-64 ...
14:30 < rxr> or AMD64 ...
14:30 < rxr> but definetly nothing like x64 ... :-)
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14:50 < LMJ_work> i'm on EMT64 ;)
14:50 < LMJ_work> yes, plz, check out on your core dua ;)
14:50 < LMJ_work> duo*
14:55 < rxr> yeah - forgot the 2 in between as in Core2Dua ...
14:55 < rxr> the ones without 2 are just 32bit - ieek ...
14:55 < rxr> LMJ_work: if you have the minutes I'll give it a try just in some minutes as my gcc patches appear to be functional ...
14:56 < CIA-8> rene * r22874 /trunk/package/network/bacula/bacula.desc: * updated bacula (2.0.2 -> 2.0.3)
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15:04 < rxr> lol: http://forum.golem.de/read.php?16401,885686,886647#msg-886647
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15:25 < TobiX> rxr: *g* "Second Life? Like you had one in the first place!" <-- Mehr fällt mir dazu nicht mehr ein :)
15:41 < rxr> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=15.298683+19.429651&layer=&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=23&ll=15.298518,19.429736&spn=0.000079,0.000155&t=k&iwloc=addr
15:41 < rxr> ^- wow
15:42 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/86410
15:43 < rxr> looks more like a fake ...
15:45 < rxr> hm - or not
15:46 < rxr> heh - this tricks works for real
15:46 < rxr> just tried berlin, potzdamer platz
15:46 < sepp> dresden maps are >4 years old
15:47 < sepp> there used to be a bridge infront of my house ...
15:48 < rxr> lol
15:49 < sepp> some flood collapsed it but google still has it 
15:50 < CIA-8> rene * r22875 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
15:50 < CIA-8> * fixed g++ cross compiler to search for the C++ standard headers
15:50 < CIA-8>  in the correct sysroot location
15:52 < TobiX> sepp: Google Maps zeigt bei mir vor der Haustür eine Kreuzung... Seit ich hier wohne ist dort ein Kreisverkehr...
15:52 < TobiX> Arrg, wrong language :)
15:53 < rxr> amusing
15:53 < sepp> hehe
15:54 < LMJ_work> sorry back
15:54 < LMJ_work> did you had the time to check it out rxr ?
15:54 < LMJ_work> moO0in sepp 
15:54 < rxr> heh
15:54 < rxr> in the cite where I grew up there is a line in the map:
15:54 < rxr> http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&q=lauenau&layer=&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=17&ll=52.279836,9.376724&spn=0.003525,0.01075&t=k&iwloc=addr
15:55 < TobiX> But they once had maps that showed the traffic circle... They must have replaced the maps with older ones...
15:55 < rxr> that village appers to be pretty recent
15:55 < LMJ_work> you grew up in a field of wheat ?
15:56 < rxr> not the field with the line :-)
15:56 < TobiX> crop circles! No, wait... crop lines!
15:56 < rxr> http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&q=lauenau&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=52.277401,9.368248&spn=0.10713,0.344009&t=k&om=1
15:57 < rxr> valentin once posted a map with a fat bee on it :-)
15:57 < LMJ_work> hehe
16:02 < TobiX> That reminds me... Need to look around for charter planes to Finow... http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://berlin.ccc.de/~tim/camp/chaos-communication-camp-2007.kmz&z=18&t=h :)
16:05 < LMJ_work> rxr, do you know a BIG & long pist where people can test speed limit of cars, this track has been done during the second world war, and it follows the curve of the earth
16:06 < LMJ_work> it's in germany
16:08 < rxr> no idea - nuerburg ring ?
16:10 < TobiX> LMJ_work: Maybe come to the Chaos Communication Camp in August and race along the runway of Finow... But I'm not sure if that is allowed... The air traffic in Finow seems to be pretty low...
16:15 < LMJ_work> not the nuerburg ring ;)
16:17 < valentin> LMJ_work: what do you mean by "follows the curve of the earth" ?
16:19 < LMJ_work> the track is so long that you can't see the end of it because it follows the curve of the earth
16:19 < valentin> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/86410 <--- huh ?? i don't see a picture with a face following that link
16:19 < LMJ_work> maybe 15km long in a row or wo
16:19 < LMJ_work> so
16:20 < valentin> hm, there is the AVUS
16:20 < valentin> but it is only 9km or so
16:20 < LMJ_work> ha maybe
16:20 < valentin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avus
16:20 < LMJ_work> YES
16:21 < LMJ_work> that's it
16:21 < LMJ_work> thanks valentin 
16:21 < valentin> wow: At the time of opening, AVUS was 19½ km (12 miles) long 
16:21 < valentin> but quite uninteressting for a racing track
16:22 < valentin> do you want to test your car ^^ ?
16:22 < LMJ_work> no, i saw a show who try the Bugatti Verron up to 407km/h
16:24 < valentin> did you see any le mans videos from before they broke the muslane by chicanes 1990 ? some cars reached 400km/h too
16:24 < LMJ_work> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/419056/bugatti_veyron_part_1_introduction/   or google for it ;)
16:24 < LMJ_work> yes, but this car is realised for the public ;)
16:24 < LMJ_work> you can already buy it
16:25 < LMJ_work> s/car/rocket/g
16:26 < valentin> if you can watch youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv1sP04qibk
16:26 < LMJ_work> yep
16:27 < valentin> i hate youtube, it sucks
16:27 < valentin> the video quality sucks so much
16:27 < valentin> and the video format even more
16:28 < LMJ_work> :-p
16:28 < LMJ_work> anyway
16:28 < LMJ_work> rxr, any ideas for the php issue ?
16:28 < rxr> LMJ_work: the car costs a milion, you know that
16:28 < rxr> the bugatti
16:32 < LMJ_work> yes
16:33 < LMJ_work> 1,1 milion without VAT ;)
16:33 < LMJ_work> duty-free
16:35 < LMJ_work> i just saw early in the log that could be a mysql or mysqli issue : http://pastebin.ca/386362
16:39 < rxr> I better do not say that I touched one already ...
16:39 < LMJ_work> haaaaaaaaa
16:39 < rxr> touch not drive :-(
16:40 < LMJ_work> I guess you have a drive licence, but you need a rocket licence to drive it ;)
16:40 < rxr> but in the last Bugatti discussion half a week ago I already wrote that I know one of the poeple desponsible for the PR material for the beast ...
16:40 < rxr> nope, I have no driving license :-)
16:40 < LMJ_work> only pilot licence ? ;)
16:40 < rxr> but even if I would have, the thing I saw and touched once was still a prototype ...
16:43 < LMJ_work> damned, all xfce plugins failed because xfce-panel doesn't build 
16:43 < LMJ_work> argg
16:44 < LMJ_work> but PHP issue is more important for me, i'm trying to inject T2 linux inside my company today ;)
16:44 < LMJ_work> maybe i should not try from trunk :-p
16:46 < LMJ_work> !> checking for X... no
16:46 < LMJ_work> !> configure: error: X Window system libraries and header files are required
16:46 < LMJ_work> oups
16:50 < rxr> for production systems branches/6.0 anyway
16:50 < LMJ_work> yes
16:53 < rxr> are those errors from 6.0 ?
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17:46 < LMJ_work> no rxr
17:46 < LMJ_work> from trunk
17:46 < LMJ_work> i will move back to 6.0.2
17:46 < LMJ_work> gtg
17:46 < LMJ_work> cu
18:06 < rxr> http://rc3.org/2007/03/is_lua_the_next.php
18:06 < rxr> LMJ_work: nah, choose svn co .../branches/6.0
18:07 < rxr> 6.0.3 will appear this days anyway
18:07 < rxr> and on this svn branch you will receive selected weekly fixes ...
18:19 < LMJ> moin moin home
18:19 < LMJ> ok, gonna checkout 6.0 or so
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19:16 < misl> hi folks
19:39 < rxr> moin misl 
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20:04 < TobiX> Hooray, my first self-built T2 ISO is ready :)
20:05 < TobiX> Setting /bin/sh to something not bash breaks strange stuff...
20:06 < TobiX> Where should I send patches?
20:18 < sepp> t2@t2-project.org
20:31 < rxr> you need to be subscribed on the list these days due too much spam before
21:19 < d-marc> hello
21:19 < d-marc> rxr: I have been given a nokia N800 today
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21:48 < d-marc> rxr: nokia tools, what a piece of shift
21:49 < d-marc> rxr: do you have scratchbox in T2 ?
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