--- Log opened Wed Feb 28 00:00:23 2007 00:11 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 00:37 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:38 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 01:03 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-252-80.prtc.net] has joined #t2 01:22 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-252-80.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:34 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@kobz-590ca842.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #t2 01:42 -!- mtr [n=Michael@kobz-590ca4f5.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:42 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 01:44 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.84.67] has joined #t2 01:45 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 01:46 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:02 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.84.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:04 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:16 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 04:43 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:45 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 05:11 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 05:12 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:15 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 07:16 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:38 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 07:38 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:57 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 07:58 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:20 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:21 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 08:28 -!- LMJ_Work [n=c3196415@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 08:28 < LMJ_Work> Hello the chan 08:30 < mtr> hi LMJ_Work 08:30 < LMJ_Work> I installed t2 minimal x86-64 6.02, i've downloaded Trunk via SVN and emerged to kernel 2.6.20.1 to get KVM functionnalities but when i reboot now, i have this error "modprobe / udevd / fsck / swapon / ip / sysctl / ..." command not found, something wrong is going on . I guess i did something wrong, but what ? 08:36 < mtr> LMJ_Work: you can still boot into the old root fs ? 08:38 < LMJ_Work> yes 08:38 < LMJ_Work> but same error 08:38 < LMJ_Work> initrd mess up ? 08:38 < mtr> LMJ_Work: emerging only the linux26 pkg is really risky ...:( i think that you have to update mkinitrd and sysvinit, too, at least ... 08:39 < mtr> init does not have /sbin in the PATH 08:41 < LMJ_Work> sound like this yes 08:41 < LMJ_Work> I should reinstall the system ? 08:43 < mtr> check svn r20666: "export the sbin PATHs in our rc wrapper" 08:53 < LMJ_Work> arg, where is the changelog or so, i'm at work with all tools unactivated by the firewall / proxy stuff 08:55 < LMJ_Work> ok, i saw that on mtr 08:55 < LMJ_Work> on changelog sorry ;) 08:59 < LMJ_Work> what i should do exactly ? 09:01 < rxr> moin 09:01 < LMJ_Work> moin rxr 09:02 < rxr> LMJ_Work: I bet it is the new bash 09:02 < LMJ_Work> arg 09:02 < rxr> mtr: yes this rc + another revision 09:02 < rxr> this bash update was really sick 09:02 < LMJ_Work> updated to 3.2 or so 09:02 < rxr> now idea how they can change the bash back in forth like this 09:02 < rxr> yeah - sorry 09:02 < rxr> normally the shell is not such a problem but the new bash was 09:03 < rxr> but instead of patching bash I made our surrounding setup more robust so this does not happen that quickly again 09:03 < LMJ_Work> It's a test server, i can format/reinstall if i want ;) 09:03 < rxr> LMJ_Work: I can help pick the other revision to fix this 09:03 < rxr> moin LMJ_Work and mtr, btw :-) 09:03 < rxr> mtr: we can cross compile mplayer :-) 09:03 < rxr> quite imrpessive 09:04 < rxr> impressive 09:04 [Users #t2] 09:04 [@ChanServ] [ emte_ ] [ LMJ_Work] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ] 09:04 [ Capey ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ Shingoshi] [ valentin] 09:04 [ CIA-8 ] [ LMJ ] [ R4gnar0k] [ sparc-kly] 09:04 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 09:05 < LMJ_Work> got a 2h meeting, i will see after 09:06 < CIA-8> rene * r22760 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/mplayer.conf: 09:06 < CIA-8> * rewrote mplayer.conf, fixed a whole lot of cross-build related $root 09:06 < CIA-8> handling as well as pre-defining the architecture 09:06 < rxr> cu LMJ_Work 09:07 < LMJ_Work> thanks 09:33 < rxr> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2007/02/17/just-gotta-love-it/ 10:07 -!- idealm_ [n=ideal@203.45.99.98] has joined #t2 10:10 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 10:12 -!- emte_ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:15 < CIA-8> rene * r22761 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-input-vmmouse/xf86-input-vmmouse.desc: * updated xf86-input-vmmouse (12.4.0 -> 12.4.1) 10:18 < rxr> Auswärtiges Amt spart im IT-Bereich kräftig dank Open Source 10:18 < rxr> Das Außenministerium ist bei den IT-Kosten das mit Abstand günstigste Bundesressort, nachdem es seine Auslandsvertretungen mit freier Software vernetzt hat und nun auch Laptops auf Linux und OpenOffice migriert 10:18 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/85977 10:18 < rxr> "Seit der Umpositionierung ist das Auswärtige Amt Schuster zufolge "das mit Abstand günstigste Ministerium im Bund bei den IT-Kosten"." 10:25 -!- idealm [n=ideal@CPE-203-45-99-98.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:32 < LMJ_Work> moin moin back 10:35 < rxr> LMJ_Work: I think r20665 will fix your prolem 10:36 < rxr> you can view the it with "svn diff -c 20665" 10:36 < rxr> and then just edit your /etc/profile accordingly 10:38 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:39 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 10:44 < LMJ_Work> rxr : infortunatly, i'm at work, and we are using a fucking proxy crap called ISA2004, i can't do any SVN stuff :-/ 10:45 < rxr> he 10:45 < LMJ_Work> damned 10:45 < LMJ_Work> fuck fuck fuck 10:45 < LMJ_Work> i can't work here 10:45 < rxr> what's that ISA about ? 10:46 < LMJ_Work> MS stuff 10:46 < LMJ_Work> web proxy 10:46 < rxr> ah 10:46 < LMJ_Work> HAAAAAAAA 10:46 < rxr> you can't use https ? 10:46 < rxr> when you use https://svn. ... it should just work prefectly, now ? 10:46 < rxr> , no ? 10:46 < rxr> for you the fix of that revision: 10:46 < rxr> --- package/base/sysfiles/etc_profile.txt (revision 20664) 10:46 < rxr> +++ package/base/sysfiles/etc_profile.txt (revision 20665) 10:46 < rxr> @@ -22,7 +22,7 @@ 10:46 < rxr> # set the PATH-variable 10:46 < rxr> -if [ -w / ] ; then 10:46 < rxr> +if [ -w / -o $UID = 0 ] ; then 10:46 < rxr> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" 10:46 < rxr> for x in /usr/X11/bin /usr/X11/sbin /usr/games /usr/local/games \ 10:46 < rxr> /opt/*/bin /opt/*/sbin /opt/*/games $HOME/bin $HOME/sbin 10:50 < LMJ_Work> ok, thanks :-D 10:50 < LMJ_Work> no, as far i tested, https doesn't work :-/ 10:50 < LMJ_Work> maybe a wrong config in my .subversion/server file 10:52 < rxr> should not be anything to config 10:52 < rxr> just access via https:// 10:56 < LMJ_Work> direct connection to internet is not allowed, everything via the web proxy ;) 10:56 < LMJ_Work> little psycho around here ;) 10:59 < rxr> but https is encrypted the proxy should not be able to do much but forward it ... ?!? 10:59 < rxr> or is https disabled completely ß 10:59 < rxr> ? 10:59 < LMJ_Work> no no, https is allowed 10:59 < LMJ_Work> gonna try again 11:01 < LMJ_Work> anyway, gonna apply the patch by hand & reboot ;) 11:03 < LMJ_Work> should i re-emerge something or so ? 11:04 < LMJ_Work> i could apply the modify directi to /etc/profile or so, no ? 11:04 < Shingoshi> Gooday! 11:04 < LMJ_Work> hello Shingoshi 11:05 < Shingoshi> Hi!! 11:05 < Shingoshi> This falling asleep in my lounger has got to stop! 11:07 < Shingoshi> rxr: I was thinking after I spoke to you, whether or not my packaging the trunk for slackware would need a pkgconfig entry? 11:08 < Shingoshi> Is pkgconfig only for libraries? 11:11 < Shingoshi> Anyone have an answer? 11:17 < rxr> pkgconfig is more for libraries and co 11:17 < rxr> that other applications / packages use 11:17 < rxr> I think that's not the case with T2 11:22 < Shingoshi> So I don't need to worry about it? 11:24 < rxr> don't think so 11:25 < Shingoshi> Good. 11:25 < Shingoshi> Then I pretty much have everything I want in it. 11:28 < Shingoshi> I just need to copy the list of dependencies you have listed on the site into a slack requires file. 11:29 < LMJ_Work> back 11:30 < Shingoshi> The full file is less than 2Mbs compressed with lzma. I would like to send you a copy to see it. It should install on any system. 11:30 < LMJ_Work> back 11:30 < Shingoshi> ok 11:30 < LMJ_Work> fixed rxr, good one! 11:32 < LMJ_Work> gonna test KVM now 11:37 < LMJ_Work> Ok, svn works through https with .subversion/server well configured 11:38 < Shingoshi> This is just my opinion, but I think you should keep the T2 name as it is! 11:39 < Shingoshi> Besides. I think T2 was better than T3. ;-D 11:40 < Shingoshi> Reference to the Terminator series of movies. 11:40 < LMJ_Work> hehe Shingoshi 11:41 < Shingoshi> Well, T3 was dark and depressing, to be locked into a certain future. 11:41 < Shingoshi> At least T2 gave hope! 11:41 < Shingoshi> T3 pretty much took that all away. 11:42 < Shingoshi> So, T2 it is! 11:42 < rxr> :-) 11:43 < Shingoshi> I mean we could portray ourselves as the lovable R2-T2. 11:43 < Shingoshi> LOL LOL 11:44 < Shingoshi> A lightsabre in one hand and a grenade launcher in the other. 11:44 < Shingoshi> Kick ass! 11:45 < Shingoshi> The SDE to end all SDEs 11:47 < rxr> :-) 11:47 < rxr> you are in marketing commic mood, heh? 11:48 < Shingoshi> I thought I saw on the site a list of dependencies to build with the trunk. You wrote it here, but I need a complete list with nothing missing. 11:48 < Shingoshi> I am just your extrondenary nut! 11:48 < rxr> I have no complete list :-) 11:49 < rxr> you definetly need: gawk, sed, mktemp, bash, ncurses, binutils, gcc, ... 11:49 < Shingoshi> thank you 11:50 < Shingoshi> Yeah, like I said before, that should all be on the existing system. 11:58 < CIA-8> rene * r22762 /trunk/architecture/avr32/ (config.in gcc-options.in): * added AVR32 related GCC optimization configuration 12:05 < CIA-8> rene * r22763 /trunk/architecture/avr32/ (busybox.conf pkg_busybox_post.conf): * marked the parts of busybox that do not build on AVR32(, yet) 12:06 < CIA-8> rene * r22764 /trunk/architecture/avr32/config.hlp: * AVR32 help entry for the CPU optimization option 12:11 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-252-80.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:19 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.41.125.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 12:19 < sepp> moin :) 12:22 < rxr> hi sepp 12:22 * rxr lunch - cu 12:22 < sepp> hi rxr 12:39 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:43 < LMJ_Work> moin moin back 12:43 < LMJ_Work> moin sepp 12:47 < sepp> hi LMJ_Work :) 12:48 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 12:56 < LMJ_Work> is there a script to generate a good .desc ? 13:02 < sepp> there is misc/archive/fmnewpackage.sh 13:02 < sepp> for freshmeat things ... 13:04 < LMJ_Work> ha yes 13:07 < Shingoshi> rxr: The name of my new slackware port of the trunk is T2SDE. 13:08 < Shingoshi> Nothing original. 13:08 < Shingoshi> No point in creating confusion with something new. 13:10 < Shingoshi> Where should I install the handbook for T2? /usr/share/? 13:11 < Shingoshi> Suggestions? 13:15 < Shingoshi> Are there any manpages for the trunk building process to include in my pkg? 13:20 < LMJ_Work> is there a way to configure automaticly $HTTP_PROXY ? export in /etc/profile or so ? 13:21 < LMJ_Work> because ./scripts/Download doesn't work so well yet here at work 13:23 < sepp> it uses curl to download things 13:23 < sepp> http_proxy=... 13:24 < LMJ_Work> yes 13:24 < LMJ_Work> but i have to specify it each time i reboot 13:25 < sepp> you can put it into ~/.profile 13:26 < LMJ_Work> yep 13:27 < LMJ_Work> here am i again : 13:28 < LMJ_Work> http://pastebin.ca/375581 13:31 < Shingoshi> I just tried making the handbook. It failed on latex-support.tex missing. 13:32 < Shingoshi> Remember, I am using slackware. So if I am missing something, I need to know. 13:33 < Shingoshi> Does the handbook typically compile simply by running make. 13:33 < LMJ_Work> sorry Shingoshi but i can't help you ;) 13:34 < Shingoshi> Who here has compiled the handbook from svn? 13:34 < Shingoshi> LMJ_Work: thanks, ok 13:34 < LMJ_Work> well, no need to thanks me, i can't help you ;) 13:35 < Shingoshi> so! 13:35 < Shingoshi> Just polite. 13:36 < LMJ_Work> why you want to compile it ? 13:36 < Shingoshi> When rxr returns, ask him about compiling the handbook if I am not here. Now I can say, Thank you. ;-D 13:37 < Shingoshi> I am creating a package for slackware. 13:37 < LMJ_Work> ok 13:37 < Shingoshi> I want to have the documentation available for anyone who starts using the trunk. 13:38 < Shingoshi> I have turned the trunk into a slackware pkg. 13:39 < Shingoshi> Install the pkg, and you have the complete trunk. 13:43 < LMJ_Work> wow 13:43 < LMJ_Work> you think it could work ? 13:44 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.52.142.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 13:44 < LMJ_Work> hu 13:51 < Shingoshi> Sorry, I was gone. 13:51 < Shingoshi> Yes! Definitely. 13:51 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:51 < Shingoshi> it will install itself to /usr/libexec/T2SDE 13:52 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 13:53 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.41.125.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:53 < Shingoshi> I have made a link from /scripts to /bin. So slackware should readily find the scripts without breaking their normal locations. 13:53 < Shingoshi> I have put the handbook in /usr/libexec/T2SDE/share/handbook. 13:54 < Shingoshi> I was looking for any relevant manpages that I could include. 13:55 < Shingoshi> The implications of this working are enormous! 13:55 < Shingoshi> I can post the final pkg on linuxpackages.net for anyone to use. 13:56 < Shingoshi> I have also created a script to download the trunk again. But that may not have been necessary. 13:58 < Shingoshi> Basically though, you would just issue the command T2SDE.svn to get everything in the trunk put in my specified location. 13:58 < Shingoshi> That also includes the handbook. 14:01 < Shingoshi> The entire trunk compressed with lzma is only 2Mbs. 14:03 < Shingoshi> The pkg name is: T2SDE-noarch.xam.tlz 14:03 < Shingoshi> LMJ_Work: ^^^ 14:05 < Shingoshi> rxr: Are you back now? 14:06 -!- idealm_ [n=ideal@203.45.99.98] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:24 < rxr> yeah - hi 14:30 < Shingoshi> The pkg name is: ok 14:30 < Shingoshi> ignore that 14:30 < Shingoshi> I failed to make the handbook. 14:31 < Shingoshi> Something about tex-support 14:31 < Shingoshi> Missing latex-support.tex 14:33 < Shingoshi> Any idea? 14:33 < Shingoshi> On slackware, I may be missing something. 14:34 < Shingoshi> make produced a number of errors. 14:35 < Shingoshi> I also changed the path to /usr/src as you first suggested. 14:36 < rxr> strange 14:36 < rxr> btw. did you checkout the tex branch? we started an -> Docbook(XML) transition in the trunk ... 14:40 < Shingoshi> I have the tex handbook that is listed on the site in the download section. I simply made a script to do it for me from the info on the page. 14:41 < Shingoshi> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/branches/tex t2-tex-handbook 14:41 < Shingoshi> That's what I used. 14:41 < rxr> do you have the file name latex-support.tex in the checkout dir ? 14:41 < rxr> it's in the SVN 14:41 < Shingoshi> oh. 14:41 < Shingoshi> Let me look for it. 14:42 < Shingoshi> Is it apart of the download itself? 14:42 < Shingoshi> Yes, I have it. 14:43 < Shingoshi> Strange. 14:43 < Shingoshi> I simply ran make. 14:43 < Shingoshi> Should I have done something else. 14:43 < Shingoshi> Do I possibly need to edit that file. 14:44 < Shingoshi> Or the makefile 14:46 < Shingoshi> hallo 14:47 < rxr> no edit needed 14:47 < rxr> it should just work 14:47 < rxr> maybe your tex is incomplete or so ? 14:47 < rxr> no idea, I never heared a complaint so far 14:47 < Shingoshi> So it should compile with no errors at all? 14:48 < Shingoshi> Maybe you're right about my tex. 14:49 < Shingoshi> Slamd64 has some incomplete pkgs. That may be one of them. 14:49 < Shingoshi> In some pkgs, they don't build everything. 14:50 < Shingoshi> That's why I want to get this done. It will take care of things like this, and create a stronger system in the end. 14:51 < rxr> Shingoshi: just running "make" should produce the PDF handbook ... 14:52 < Shingoshi> I just checked. Tetex is divided into to files. I think I have the pdf. 14:52 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.52.142.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:52 < Shingoshi> Checking. 14:53 < Shingoshi> Yes, I do. So maybe it worked, but simply with errors. 14:54 < Shingoshi> Let me open the pdf and check it. 14:57 < Shingoshi> I am missing the Contents, List of Tables, etc. Some pages are blank. 14:57 < Shingoshi> I think this is a font issue. 14:57 < Shingoshi> It may be because of my system. No fault of the svn pkg. 14:59 < Shingoshi> Why would it have told me that it couldn't find latex-support.tex when it is in fact there? 14:59 < Shingoshi> Same dir no less! 15:06 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:07 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 15:19 < LMJ_Work> rxr : did you get able to run KVM machines ? 15:19 < LMJ_Work> got all the time a "Could not initialize SDL - exiting" 15:28 < LMJ_Work> rxr : did you compiled "kvm-release.tar.gz" to get "qemu-system-x86-64" or emerged the qemu from the repository ? 15:32 < Shingoshi> This may be a bit over ambitious, but I am attempting to satisfy the constraints of archlinux as well. So I am including files they would require as well. 15:32 < Shingoshi> In there specified locations. 15:35 < LMJ_Work> kvm-release.tar.gz need gcc 3.x 15:36 < rxr> LMJ_Work: I used kvm-12 I think 15:36 < rxr> LMJ_Work: I applied oru usual Qemu patches to build with gcc-4, worked just fine 15:36 < rxr> LMJ_Work: I wanted to do a kvm package, but had no time yet 15:37 < LMJ_Work> ha ok 15:38 < LMJ_Work> what is the usual Qemu patches to build with gcc4 ? 15:42 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:43 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 15:44 < rxr> take a look in our t2 dir 15:45 < LMJ_Work> ok 15:45 < LMJ_Work> i can see a nasty patch ;) 15:45 < rxr> quite some more :-) 15:45 < rxr> it's not that bad anymore 15:45 < rxr> half a year ago qemu was the most evil patched up package in t2 ... 15:45 < LMJ_Work> hehe 15:45 < LMJ_Work> just kidding 15:45 < rxr> it's not that bad anymore ... 15:52 < LMJ_Work> ok, just patch qemu inside kvm 15:54 < LMJ_Work> ok, still won't compile 16:26 -!- emte__ [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:09 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 17:10 < misl> hi folks 17:23 < rxr> hi misl 17:30 < Shingoshi> I have installed the package you have so kindly helped me build. 17:31 < Shingoshi> Now, the scary part. Actually testing it! 17:33 < Shingoshi> What package would you suggest as a simple test? 17:34 < Shingoshi> Something that is known to always compile. 17:41 < rxr> Shingoshi: have you compiled something with T2 before you set all this up ? 17:52 < Shingoshi> All I have done is install the source repositoty into /usr/src. 17:53 < Shingoshi> That's all that my package is intended to do. 17:53 < Shingoshi> Everything else must be done after installation. 17:54 < Shingoshi> The installation doesn't build anything. 17:54 < Shingoshi> It just gives you the sources in the trunk. 17:55 < Shingoshi> I think I may have compiled confdialog just out of curiousity. 18:00 < Shingoshi> Can I just build a single pkg now, or must I begin with the complete system? 18:02 < rxr> well 18:03 < Shingoshi> Do I have to start with a target, or can I just build a pkg? 18:03 < rxr> installing T2 built packages into a differently designed OS is usually not the most clean road to go ... 18:03 < rxr> you can jsut build a package, yes 18:03 < rxr> you first need to run the Config 18:03 < rxr> select CPU and such 18:03 < Shingoshi> ok 18:03 < rxr> then you can Emerge-Pkg -deps=none soemthing 18:04 < rxr> the -deps=none is needed as T2 has no package database of the foreign system and would thinkg nothing is installed 18:04 < Shingoshi> At some point, you, Lasse and I will have to make a custom target for slackware. 18:06 < Shingoshi> For Config, can I just use a script and do: Config $(uname -m)? How much of this can be put in a script? 18:07 < Shingoshi> I know this is contrary to the advanced-user that you have targeted, but I want to simplify this to be automatic as possible. 18:08 < Shingoshi> At least the initial configuration. 18:09 < Shingoshi> I would like to create a default script to do this. The user can always edit it during the installation by answering questions. Like the configuration of cpan for perl. 18:09 < Shingoshi> Does that make sense? 18:10 < Shingoshi> I am copying the build process from the website, and creating scripts from there. 18:10 < Shingoshi> rxr: ^^ 18:21 < Shingoshi> http://rafb.net/p/239glv27.html 18:25 < Shingoshi> rxr: ^^ 18:27 < Shingoshi> How long would this take to finish? Approximately. 18:30 < Shingoshi> Is the target "reference" the smallest and most standard of all the builds? 18:30 < rxr> Config already defaults to uname, no need to passit 18:30 < rxr> pass it 18:31 < LMJ> moin moin 18:31 < rxr> you can do Config -oldconfig when you want to go with a default one 18:31 < rxr> Shingoshi: that steps are correct 18:33 < Shingoshi> Thank you. 18:33 < Shingoshi> That's what I want. A standard and default config. 18:37 < Shingoshi> Would the line Config -oldconfig, replace Config -cfg system? 18:37 < Shingoshi> Or are they put together on the same line? 18:37 < Shingoshi> Config -oldconfig -cfg system? 18:38 < Shingoshi> moin LMJ_Work 18:39 < LMJ> no, just LMJ now ;) 18:40 < Shingoshi> I have both. So when I hit tab, that's what I got. 18:40 < Shingoshi> LMJ: ^^ 18:40 < Shingoshi> tab twice does it right. 18:41 < Shingoshi> I have been using irc for less than a month. 18:42 < Shingoshi> LMJ: Can you answer the question I put to rxr? 18:42 < Shingoshi> Would the line Config -oldconfig, replace Config -cfg system? 18:42 < Shingoshi> Or are they put together on the same line? 18:42 < LMJ> no, that's different 18:43 < LMJ> i `think` -oldconfig refresh the current config, for exemple, when you add packages in the pkgsel or so 18:43 < rxr> yep 18:43 < Shingoshi> So just Config -oldconfig for a default compile? 18:43 < rxr> Shingoshi: you need to hass -cfg system with -oldconfig also 18:43 < rxr> that is Config -cfg system -oldconfig 18:44 < rxr> as LMJ wrote it regenerates the config 18:44 < rxr> should also work when no config is there at the beginning 18:44 < Shingoshi> That's what I was asking. 18:44 < rxr> and use defaults then 18:44 < Shingoshi> ok 18:44 < rxr> and the current CPU for the architecture selection 18:44 < Shingoshi> I thought you said I didn't have to enter it. 18:45 < Shingoshi> cpu 18:46 < LMJ> between rxr, "rescue" target failed on stage1, package linux26 if i try to compile from trunk 18:47 < LMJ> maybe it's a knew issue 18:47 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 18:47 < Shingoshi> http://rafb.net/p/fqTmvh45.html 18:48 < rxr> LMJ: yeah - some third party kernel module, hm ? 18:48 < LMJ> i think yes 18:48 < rxr> Shingoshi: no uname stuff needed ... 18:48 < LMJ> i checked logs quickly this afternoon 18:49 < Shingoshi> That's what I thought you said, but then you turned around and said something about the cpu. 18:50 < Shingoshi> So, without the uname, everything is good? 18:51 < Shingoshi> http://rafb.net/p/QXfFuF99.html 18:52 < rxr> yes 18:52 < rxr> oh, and the Download -required is optional nowadays 18:53 < rxr> Build-Target and Emerge-Pkg fetch the sources out of the internet on-demand now 18:53 < Shingoshi> We are good! 18:53 < rxr> though you can still pre-fetch them with -required as written there 18:54 < Shingoshi> I just want to create whatever is needed to have a functional t2sde environment, and leave the rest to the user. 18:55 < Shingoshi> In fact, I could include this in the install script. 18:56 < Shingoshi> No special targets, just a default. 18:57 < Shingoshi> I hate having to keep asking you questions. 18:57 < Shingoshi> I don't know if I am just lazy or dumb. 18:58 < Shingoshi> Maybe a bit of both. 18:59 < Shingoshi> So if I put -oldconfig on the Build_Target line, will the target then be the default? 19:07 < Shingoshi> http://rafb.net/p/aaOszE86.html 19:14 < rxr> the target will be generic 19:19 < Shingoshi> How's this for automation: http://rafb.net/p/UDPn3c69.html 19:21 < rxr> beside that it is not valid shell code ? 19:21 < rxr> you need [ "$var" ] for the test s... 19:23 < Shingoshi> Yeah, I forget. 19:23 < Shingoshi> ;-D 19:27 < Shingoshi> I am going to create a smaller target than what is specified in generic, to keep from overwritting existing files on the installed system. 19:28 < Shingoshi> Guess I'll call it slackbase 19:31 < Shingoshi> I am going to eliminate minimal-xorg and desktop, because there will likely already be those. 19:33 < Shingoshi> Must the packages be built in the order they are listed in 00-minimal.in? 19:34 < LMJ> there is no order in pkgsel, the order is done in 'packages' 19:35 < CIA-8> rene * r22765 /trunk/package/www/seamonkey/seamonkey.desc: * updated seamonkey (1.1 -> 1.1.1) 19:35 < LMJ> config/yourconf/ 19:35 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:35 < rxr> Shingoshi: you do not want to modify target/generic files 19:35 < rxr> you want to create a new target in target/ ... 19:36 < rxr> maybe study some existing ones, such as archivista or rescue before you start 19:36 < LMJ> yep 19:37 * LMJ thinking about all things we could add in a good Wiki ;) 19:37 < Shingoshi> Yes, I am creating new target. 19:38 < Shingoshi> I copied generic to slackbase, and am editing from there. I am not touching the originals. 19:41 < LMJ> good 19:42 < rxr> Shingoshi: if you have not done much better copy desktop 19:42 < rxr> generic really has some code you do not want in a non-generic target 19:43 < Shingoshi> I don't want a desktop, just a console system if that to begin with. 19:43 < Shingoshi> Some of the things I have to remove from generic, or else slackware system would crash! 19:44 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 19:44 < Shingoshi> I can't use your pkgtools for instance, or we wouldn't be able to install slackware pkgs. 19:45 < Shingoshi> I am going through the list looking for things that might be fatal to an already installed slackware system. 19:45 < Shingoshi> There's no way around this. 19:46 < Shingoshi> I have to keep this as unintrusive as possible. Because if I get this wrong, no one will ever trust me a second time. 19:47 < Shingoshi> rxr: ^^ 19:48 < rxr> yep 19:48 < Shingoshi> That's also why I keep asking questions. I am passing everything by you and Lasse Collin before proceding. 19:54 < Shingoshi> Also, some of your packages have different names. So I will have to figure a way out to translate them to slackware's. 19:55 < Shingoshi> One pkg I think should definitely be built, is the kernel. 19:56 < Shingoshi> rxr: From talking to Lasse, I should upgrade the kernel before glibc, because glibc is build against the running kernel. 19:58 < Shingoshi> If I already have tools on my system to build pkgs, can I start without a target? 19:59 < Shingoshi> Could I just run Emerge-Pkg kernel now? 20:07 < rxr> glibc is built against a package known as sanetized linux kernel headers 20:07 < rxr> not against a running one ... 20:08 < rxr> I think it is the best way to always build into a clean sandbox enviroment and then you can transform the resulting packages files the way they are named on slackware or so 20:09 < CIA-8> mika * r22766 /trunk/target/wrt2/ (config.in pkgsel): 20:09 < CIA-8> * modified wrt2 to use new pkgsel style, 20:09 < CIA-8> * work in progress 20:10 < Capey> should openssl build statically in uClibc? for some reason it keeps wanting dynamic loader 20:13 < rxr> did you select static linking ? 20:13 < rxr> or default dynamic ? 20:14 < Capey> SDECFG_STATIC=1 20:14 < Capey> so thats static? 20:17 < rxr> yes 20:17 < rxr> is that in the config? 20:18 < rxr> it formerly only should have been set in the dietliby case 20:18 < rxr> remove that .-) 20:18 < Shingoshi> rxr: Thanks for the heads up. 20:18 < rxr> you want dynamic, especially with the uclibc 20:18 < Shingoshi> rxr: Is the sandbox automatically created by the build process? 20:20 < Shingoshi> Do I have to create a sandbox, or is it done for me? 20:21 < Capey> rxr: ok, so i set it to dynamic as an default setting 20:22 < rxr> Capey: remove the line 20:22 < CIA-8> rene * r22767 /trunk/package/x11/lesstif/c++.patch: * fixed lesstif for inclusion by an C++ compiler 20:22 < rxr> dynamic is default 20:22 < rxr> Shingoshi: by Build-Target, yes 20:23 < CIA-8> rene * r22768 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/xpdf.desc: * updated xpdf (3.01pl1 -> 3.02) 20:24 < Shingoshi> Thanks again. 20:25 < Shingoshi> What do you think is the absolute smallest target that I can build, just so that I can create a new kernel? 20:28 < Shingoshi> I want the new kernel so that I can reboot and build a new glibc, Oh, wait, is that what you were saying about the sandbox. The new kernel is in the sandbox, and glibc is built against it in the sandbox? 20:29 < rxr> you can even let T2 cross build a kernel few packages are needed 20:29 < rxr> but for a minimal build look into the minimal selection template in target/generic/pkgsel/00-minimal or so 20:29 < rxr> some stuff can be removed even there 20:29 < rxr> e.g. subversion and co 20:30 < rxr> so - I gotta go in a second ... 20:30 < Shingoshi> Yesh, that's what I was doing. Pruning 00-minimal.in. 20:31 < Shingoshi> ok 20:31 < Shingoshi> Take care, and have a nice day or evening. 20:33 < rxr> night :-) 20:33 < Shingoshi> ok 20:33 < Shingoshi> Catch you later 20:34 < Capey> gn rxr 20:36 < CIA-8> rene * r22769 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvdauthor/dvdauthor.desc: * updated dvdauthor (0.6.13 -> 0.6.14) 20:36 < rxr> n8 too, Capey 20:36 < rxr> cu all 20:54 -!- LMJ_Work [n=c3196415@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (Session timeout)"] 20:58 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:16 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 22:05 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:09 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]"] 22:15 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 22:35 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:35 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 23:38 -!- idealm [n=ideal@CPE-203-45-99-98.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Thu Mar 01 00:00:24 2007