T2 IRC Log: 2007-01-28
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--- Log opened Sun Jan 28 00:00:45 2007
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04:14 < magic_user> wow t2
04:14 < magic_user> hey so tell me more
04:14 < magic_user> its a source based meta sistro?
04:14 < magic_user> distro
04:14 < magic_user> and it wroks for clustering too?
04:32 < magic_user> wow I can't believe how advanced thsi stuff is getting.
04:32 < magic_user> heh
04:33 < magic_user> anyone alive in here?
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05:56 < magic_user> hi
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09:40 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 6.0.2 Released! | trunk heading for 7.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
09:40 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Thu Dec 7 14:05:35 2006]
09:40 [Users #t2]
09:40 [@ChanServ] [ emte_ ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
09:40 [ Capey ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly] [ zod ]
09:40 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz ]
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09:43 < valentin_> test
09:43 < valentin> test
09:43 < valentin> beeing two people at the same time is quite impressive
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09:59 < misl> hi folks
10:00 < misl> Seems like I need glasses ;-)
10:00 < misl> I see double :-)
10:18 < valentin> moin misl
10:19 < misl> hi double valentin
10:20 < valentin> ;)
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11:56 < rxr> re
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12:12 < CIA-9> rene * r22213 /trunk/package/develop/valgrind/valgrind.desc: * updated valgrind (3.2.1 -> 3.2.2)
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12:19 < rxr> moin d-marc
12:22 < d-marc> hi
12:31 < CIA-9> rene * r22214 /trunk/package/develop/autogen/autogen.desc: * updated autogen (5.8.8 -> 5.8.9)
12:32 < CIA-9> rene * r22215 /trunk/package/xorg/xpr/xpr.desc: * updated xpr (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
12:34 < CIA-9> rene * r22216 /trunk/package/xorg/libxt/libxt.desc: * updated libxt (1.0.4 -> 1.0.5)
13:10 < CIA-9> rene * r22217 /trunk/package/graphic/ogre3d/ogre3d.desc: * updated ogre3d (1.2.3 -> v1-2-5)
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13:50 < CIA-9> rene * r22218 /trunk/package/filesystem/libextractor/ (. libextractor.cache libextractor.desc): * added libextractor (0.5.17a) - A meta-data extraction library
13:50 < CIA-9> rene * r22219 /trunk/package/filesystem/doodle/ (. doodle.cache doodle.desc): * added doodle (0.6.6) - A file search tool based on meta-data
13:51 < rxr> lunch - cu
13:53 < d-marc> cu
15:52 < rxr> moin
15:54 < CIA-9> rene * r22220 /trunk/package/gnome2/at-spi/at-spi.desc: * updated at-spi (1.7.15 -> 1.7.16)
15:54 < CIA-9> rene * r22221 /trunk/package/selinux/libselinux/libselinux.desc: * updated libselinux (1.28 -> 1.34.0)
15:54 < CIA-9> rene * r22222 /trunk/package/selinux/libsepol/libsepol.desc: * updated libsepol (1.10 -> 1.16.0)
15:55 < rxr> valentin: the MacBook I'm typing on now has successfully overlived some suspend resume cycles ... :-)
15:56 < rxr> accumulated uptime: up 1 day, 18:08
16:25 < CIA-9> rene * r22223 /trunk/package/base/linux26/sparc64-sun4v.patch: * added a sun4v hotfix to linux26
16:26 < rxr> oh - nice revision that was
16:43 < CIA-9> rene * r22224 /branches/6.0/package/base/linux26/sparc64-sun4v.patch: * merged r22223 from trunk: added a sun4v hotfix to linux26
16:52 < rxr> mtr: 28 January 2007, uClibc 0.9.28.1 Released
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16:57 < shemale_magic> morning people
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17:05 < CIA-9> rene * r22225 /trunk/architecture/ (18 files in 18 dirs): * sanitized and unified the various architecture descriptions
17:05 < rxr> hi shemale_magic
17:13 < CIA-9> rene * r22226 /trunk/package/base/ (dietlibc/dietlibc.desc glibc/glibc.desc): * marked glibc and dietlibc to not support avr32 and bfin(, yet)
17:23 < shemale_magic> hi
17:23 < shemale_magic> how is t2 different from arch?
17:24 < shemale_magic> er rock
17:24 < shemale_magic> lol
17:26 < rxr> hm - I do not know arch too much
17:26 < rxr> from rock it differs in about 15000 SVN revsions beeing ahead, hundreds more packages and a handful of new CPU ports
17:26 < shemale_magic> really?
17:26 < rxr> rock linux is mostly a dead cow
17:26 < shemale_magic> ahead of rock eh
17:27 < shemale_magic> what!
17:27 < shemale_magic> wow
17:27 < shemale_magic> ok
17:27 < rxr> well - I was the rock linux stable release maintainer
17:27 < shemale_magic> does t2 offer any kinda clustering?
17:27 < rxr> and forked of t2 because development was too slow and cumbersome ...
17:27 < shemale_magic> no kidding job well done it seems
17:27 < rxr> we have a pretty cool SVN graph for rock and t2 :
17:27 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png
17:27 < shemale_magic> I found you on arch comparison page
17:28 < rxr> in rock linux they statered this weeks to make the install u/dev aware
17:28 < rxr> we did this 2 years ago
17:28 < shemale_magic> IM pressive
17:28 < shemale_magic> hm I think arch has that, and it turned all my hda into sda
17:28 < shemale_magic> kinda an issue for a bit
17:28 < rxr> rock linux was devfs exclusively
17:29 < shemale_magic> now how about upgrading older boxen?
17:29 < shemale_magic> do I need to nuke ze box, or can I upgrade smoothy?
17:29 < rxr> so it was turning dev/{ide,scsi}/hostX/busY/targetZ/... into /dev/whatever
17:29 < rxr> was arch the system whit this "rolling release systems"?
17:29 < shemale_magic> well
17:29 < rxr> most people build T2 from source and have something simillar
17:30 < shemale_magic> yeah kinda you upgade and boo your at current
17:30 < shemale_magic> It did have some crap with udev tho0ugh
17:30 < shemale_magic> is udev new?
17:30 < rxr> that is you just build from source into the system what you have installed or want to add
17:30 < shemale_magic> why is it nicer?
17:30 < rxr> you pretty much stay on up-to-date quite nicely
17:30 < shemale_magic> no arch is i686 only binaries
17:30 < shemale_magic> oh you mean t2
17:30 < shemale_magic> hm
17:31 < rxr> well - you can install binary release with t2 likewise
17:31 < shemale_magic> yeah sorcerer linux claims same, in fact sometimes patch a package you have
17:31 < shemale_magic> little to download
17:31 < shemale_magic> hm
17:31 < shemale_magic> ok let me ask this
17:31 < rxr> it is just that T2 is the big picture, from the development environment, the automatic build system to shipping pre-built CDs
17:32 [Users #t2]
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17:32 [ Capey ] [ emte__] [ mtr ] [ shemale_magic] [ valentin]
17:32 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ R4gnar0k] [ sparc-kly ] [ zod ]
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17:32 < shemale_magic> In arch, I had for the wlan nic usb I have, little key nic, to downlaod firmware from sourceofrge even though the kernel has the zd1201 driver since 2.6.12, and create /lib/firmware dir, place 2 .fwb firmware files there from a floppy, and then the box saw the device, should I be able to do taht with any linux?
17:33 < rxr> with all reaonable linuxs you should be able to do this, yes
17:34 < rxr> we even ship most of the firmware stuff by default
17:34 < rxr> though I fear I never heared about the zd1201 ...
17:34 < shemale_magic> zydas driver
17:34 < shemale_magic> zydas chipset common in cheap wlan usb nics
17:35 < shemale_magic> my fuckwit of a rommate got wireless net
17:35 < shemale_magic> Id be fine with ethernet cords
17:36 < rxr> :-)
17:36 < rxr> just a second and the firmware will be in t2 ...
17:36 < shemale_magic> so you basically started t2?
17:36 < rxr> yep
17:36 < rxr> in the meantime there are 20 people with write access
17:36 < rxr> that is more than most other projects
17:36 < shemale_magic> http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/
17:37 < rxr> rock l inux has 2-3 write people :-)
17:37 < shemale_magic> soudns liek you guys are moving ahead
17:37 < rxr> yeah - rock linux SVN revision: 8157 - T2 SVN revision: 22226.
17:37 < shemale_magic> Im comparing ssytems a bit, how do compare performance of linux vs freebsd these days
17:38 < shemale_magic> freebsd seems fierce competitor
17:38 < shemale_magic> arch is about nicest linux ive tried
17:38 < shemale_magic> so far
17:38 < shemale_magic> I found it funny that even though the kernel has zd1201 river
17:38 < shemale_magic> driver
17:39 < shemale_magic> It wouldnt work without firmware
17:39 < shemale_magic> the buggers
17:40 < shemale_magic> Id have to asume that /lib/firmware is where the kernel looks for like firmware for devices?
17:40 < rxr> well - sort of
17:40 < shemale_magic> how it knows that those files are for the nic thugh is beyond me
17:40 < shemale_magic> magic!
17:40 < rxr> the kernel asks the user-space for a firmware named "zydas-whatever"
17:41 < rxr> /lib/firmware is the standard location where the user-space tools grab the files from then
17:41 < rxr> it just work in t2 of course as well
17:41 < rxr> the files are for the micro processor of the NIC
17:41 < rxr> they are the program the NIC CPU will run then
17:41 < shemale_magic> zd1201,fw is the name
17:41 < shemale_magic> zd1201.fw and zd1201-ap.fw
17:41 < shemale_magic> are on the floppy
17:42 < shemale_magic> wow
17:42 < shemale_magic> hardcore
17:42 < shemale_magic> I wonder if they are done in forth?
17:42 < rxr> nope - normally not
17:43 < rxr> forth is more a open firmware sparc, powerpc thing
17:43 < rxr> those binaries usually are machine code
17:43 < rxr> often 8085 or ARM CPUs are used in the peripherals and thus the firmware is binary code for those cpus
17:44 < shemale_magic> wow
17:44 < rxr> but can also be completely custom when the HW manufactor reinvented the wheel
17:44 < rxr> e.g. NVidia and ATi cards eat very much custom microcode for the GPUs ...
17:44 < shemale_magic> Ive heard of 8085, heh, Im such a nerd, I was reading thsi guys site www.isForth.org and he said that is is favorite microproc
17:45 < shemale_magic> so how did you become so wize in the ways of linux?
17:45 < shemale_magic> IM such a crappy admin
17:46 < shemale_magic> but I enjoy it so Im getting better, learnign not to worry about everything and that everything is a few tweaksz
17:46 < CIA-9> rene * r22227 /trunk/package/firmware/zd1201-fw/ (. zd1201-fw.cache zd1201-fw.conf zd1201-fw.desc): * added zd1201-fw (0.14) - Firmware files for ZyDAS 1201
17:46 < shemale_magic> hm now let me see how big t2 ISOs are
17:46 < rxr> shemale_magic: I tinker with hardware since I'm 8 or so ...
17:47 < shemale_magic> !!
17:47 < rxr> I even programmed with a 8085 CPU in the 80th when it was a single chip and not build into w-lan chips ...
17:47 < shemale_magic> er so how do I get the iso with the above zd change?
17:47 < shemale_magic> 80s?
17:47 < shemale_magic> 1980s?
17:47 < shemale_magic> woa
17:47 < rxr> I got into the ROCK Linux project in 1999 or so when Linux was not that mainstream and since then am involved in a lot of Open Source projects
17:48 < rxr> from the kerne, to c libraries compilers, ... ... ...
17:48 < rxr> more like 1989 and 1990
17:48 < shemale_magic> damn, I see alot of free stuff but have not really programmed much
17:48 < shemale_magic> lisp seesm interesting
17:48 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/about/
17:48 < rxr> ^- 2nd entry is me
17:50 < shemale_magic> well done
17:50 < shemale_magic> hm what is SANE again?
17:51 < rxr> Scanner Access Now Easy
17:51 < shemale_magic> ah
17:51 < shemale_magic> ExactCODE was founded by Rene Rebe and Valentin Ziegler in 2004 as loose jount venture to successfully realize Linux based projects and matured since then to a healthy company focusing on embedded systems and driver development.
17:51 < shemale_magic> joint venture, not jount LOL
17:52 < rxr> heh - that happens when you are not nativ english speaker ... :-)
17:52 < shemale_magic> ok so I cant wait, how do I get the ISO for t2 with those firmwares?
17:53 < shemale_magic> or is there none until its rolled into next release
17:53 < shemale_magic> I guess I can try standard ISO
17:53 < rxr> there is a t2 release pending for next week
17:53 < shemale_magic> and use floppy
17:53 < shemale_magic> sweet
17:53 < rxr> however the driver is in trunk and not the 6.0 release branch
17:54 < rxr> though as the fw is likely not to cause regressions I could quickly merge it over :-)
17:54 < shemale_magic> :-D
17:55 < shemale_magic> jsut calling redaht linux about an rpm takes 100x as long
17:55 < shemale_magic> er Redhat
17:55 < rxr> (same with RockLinux :-)
17:56 < shemale_magic> LOL
17:56 < shemale_magic> LOL
17:56 < rxr> when we all where that depressed we quickly left it and founded something more open :-)
17:56 < shemale_magic> free software rules
17:57 < shemale_magic> democracy in action
17:57 < CIA-9> rene * r22228 /branches/6.0/package/firmware/zd1201-fw/ (7 files): * merged r22227 from trunk: added zd1201-fw (0.14) - Firmware files for ZyDAS 1201
17:57 < rxr> :-)
17:58 < shemale_magic> lol
17:58 < shemale_magic> unbelieveable
17:59 < shemale_magic> 6.0.1 for i686 http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/6.0.1/minimal-x86-pentium-mmx/ seesm 6.0.2 is sparc only?
17:59 < rxr> yes 6.0.2 was just a accumualted sparc fixes release
17:59 < rxr> The Sun T1 Niagara CPU is that hot topic we had to quickly release hotfixes on-the-way
17:59 < rxr> but the source tarball is available as well - yo you can build 6.0.2 for anything anyway
18:00 < rxr> just that the diff between 6.0.1 -> 6.0.2 was mostly sparc (beside some security stuff along the way)
18:00 < shemale_magic> ok
18:00 < shemale_magic> patch stuff
18:00 < shemale_magic> ok
18:00 < shemale_magic> once installed can I upgrade to even newer packages?
18:01 < shemale_magic> ;)
18:01 < rxr> yeas, by builing the updates from source
18:01 < shemale_magic> ahh
18:01 < rxr> in some weeks we also will offer signed, binary updates
18:01 < shemale_magic> this is new to me
18:02 < shemale_magic> Im amiing for zorg, gaim, opera, firefox, on a basic x desktop (not kde or gnome)
18:02 < shemale_magic> with my wlan ready to go
18:02 < shemale_magic> :)
18:02 < shemale_magic> so i need the wavelan tools
18:02 < shemale_magic> ...
18:02 < shemale_magic> wireless tools
18:02 < shemale_magic> xorg
18:02 < shemale_magic> lol
18:03 < rxr> well - the usual desktop build includes the kde basics
18:03 < rxr> I hope it is not too much for you
18:04 < rxr> but that exactly is the point of the T2 System Development Environment - SDE
18:04 < rxr> it allows anyway to comfortable build their flavour - for any architecture they like
18:04 < rxr> e.g. we just recently prepared a minimal 50 MB CD with very custom sofware: embedded X, blackbox, etc.
18:05 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/targets/t-resc.html
18:08 < shemale_magic> can that one be installed to the hard drive?
18:09 < shemale_magic> :)
18:11 < rxr> by manual tweaking yes
18:11 < rxr> not automatically, yet
18:14 < rxr> (maybe you want to volunteer writing that script :-)
18:14 < rxr> btw. major targets currently in t2: http://www.t2-project.org/targets.html
18:14 < rxr> and all the architectures currently supported: http://www.t2-project.org/architectures.html
18:24 < shemale_magic> what target for just server use with xorg desktop for web surfing?
18:29 < shemale_magic> hm
18:44 < rxr> well - a server target usually has no X :-)
18:44 < rxr> but you can use desktop for that, it comes with apache, exim, bind, ...
18:44 < rxr> samba et al.
18:57 < shemale_magic> ok
18:58 < shemale_magic> desktop target?
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18:58 [ Capey ] [ emte__] [ mtr ] [ shemale_magic] [ valentin]
18:58 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ R4gnar0k] [ sparc-kly ] [ zod ]
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18:58 < shemale_magic> http://www.t2-project.org/targets.html ?
18:58 < rxr> yeah - it is not listed there anymore explictly because the @Live covers it nowadays
18:59 < rxr> http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/6.0.0/
18:59 < rxr> ^- desktops ...
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19:15 < shemale_magic> oh crap I was downlaoding pentium mmx 6.0.1 lol
19:18 < shemale_magic> once I have minimal
19:18 < shemale_magic> is it ez to get xorg?
19:19 < rxr> the minimal is really minimal - I'm not sure if you are comfortable with it
19:19 < rxr> it is possible to build the remaining stuff like X
19:19 < rxr> but if you want X and firefox I suggest really download the desktop
19:19 < rxr> it is way easier that way
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20:05 < rxr> so - evening dinner and home hacking - cu then
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04:14 < magic_user> wow t2
04:14 < magic_user> hey so tell me more
04:14 < magic_user> its a source based meta sistro?
04:14 < magic_user> distro
04:14 < magic_user> and it wroks for clustering too?
04:32 < magic_user> wow I can't believe how advanced thsi stuff is getting.
04:32 < magic_user> heh
04:33 < magic_user> anyone alive in here?
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05:56 < magic_user> hi
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09:40 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 6.0.2 Released! | trunk heading for 7.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
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09:43 < valentin_> test
09:43 < valentin> test
09:43 < valentin> beeing two people at the same time is quite impressive
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09:59 < misl> hi folks
10:00 < misl> Seems like I need glasses ;-)
10:00 < misl> I see double :-)
10:18 < valentin> moin misl
10:19 < misl> hi double valentin
10:20 < valentin> ;)
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11:56 < rxr> re
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12:12 < CIA-9> rene * r22213 /trunk/package/develop/valgrind/valgrind.desc: * updated valgrind (3.2.1 -> 3.2.2)
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12:19 < rxr> moin d-marc
12:22 < d-marc> hi
12:31 < CIA-9> rene * r22214 /trunk/package/develop/autogen/autogen.desc: * updated autogen (5.8.8 -> 5.8.9)
12:32 < CIA-9> rene * r22215 /trunk/package/xorg/xpr/xpr.desc: * updated xpr (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
12:34 < CIA-9> rene * r22216 /trunk/package/xorg/libxt/libxt.desc: * updated libxt (1.0.4 -> 1.0.5)
13:10 < CIA-9> rene * r22217 /trunk/package/graphic/ogre3d/ogre3d.desc: * updated ogre3d (1.2.3 -> v1-2-5)
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13:50 < CIA-9> rene * r22218 /trunk/package/filesystem/libextractor/ (. libextractor.cache libextractor.desc): * added libextractor (0.5.17a) - A meta-data extraction library
13:50 < CIA-9> rene * r22219 /trunk/package/filesystem/doodle/ (. doodle.cache doodle.desc): * added doodle (0.6.6) - A file search tool based on meta-data
13:51 < rxr> lunch - cu
13:53 < d-marc> cu
15:52 < rxr> moin
15:54 < CIA-9> rene * r22220 /trunk/package/gnome2/at-spi/at-spi.desc: * updated at-spi (1.7.15 -> 1.7.16)
15:54 < CIA-9> rene * r22221 /trunk/package/selinux/libselinux/libselinux.desc: * updated libselinux (1.28 -> 1.34.0)
15:54 < CIA-9> rene * r22222 /trunk/package/selinux/libsepol/libsepol.desc: * updated libsepol (1.10 -> 1.16.0)
15:55 < rxr> valentin: the MacBook I'm typing on now has successfully overlived some suspend resume cycles ... :-)
15:56 < rxr> accumulated uptime: up 1 day, 18:08
16:25 < CIA-9> rene * r22223 /trunk/package/base/linux26/sparc64-sun4v.patch: * added a sun4v hotfix to linux26
16:26 < rxr> oh - nice revision that was
16:43 < CIA-9> rene * r22224 /branches/6.0/package/base/linux26/sparc64-sun4v.patch: * merged r22223 from trunk: added a sun4v hotfix to linux26
16:52 < rxr> mtr: 28 January 2007, uClibc 0.9.28.1 Released
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16:57 < shemale_magic> morning people
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17:05 < CIA-9> rene * r22225 /trunk/architecture/ (18 files in 18 dirs): * sanitized and unified the various architecture descriptions
17:05 < rxr> hi shemale_magic
17:13 < CIA-9> rene * r22226 /trunk/package/base/ (dietlibc/dietlibc.desc glibc/glibc.desc): * marked glibc and dietlibc to not support avr32 and bfin(, yet)
17:23 < shemale_magic> hi
17:23 < shemale_magic> how is t2 different from arch?
17:24 < shemale_magic> er rock
17:24 < shemale_magic> lol
17:26 < rxr> hm - I do not know arch too much
17:26 < rxr> from rock it differs in about 15000 SVN revsions beeing ahead, hundreds more packages and a handful of new CPU ports
17:26 < shemale_magic> really?
17:26 < rxr> rock linux is mostly a dead cow
17:26 < shemale_magic> ahead of rock eh
17:27 < shemale_magic> what!
17:27 < shemale_magic> wow
17:27 < shemale_magic> ok
17:27 < rxr> well - I was the rock linux stable release maintainer
17:27 < shemale_magic> does t2 offer any kinda clustering?
17:27 < rxr> and forked of t2 because development was too slow and cumbersome ...
17:27 < shemale_magic> no kidding job well done it seems
17:27 < rxr> we have a pretty cool SVN graph for rock and t2 :
17:27 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png
17:27 < shemale_magic> I found you on arch comparison page
17:28 < rxr> in rock linux they statered this weeks to make the install u/dev aware
17:28 < rxr> we did this 2 years ago
17:28 < shemale_magic> IM pressive
17:28 < shemale_magic> hm I think arch has that, and it turned all my hda into sda
17:28 < shemale_magic> kinda an issue for a bit
17:28 < rxr> rock linux was devfs exclusively
17:29 < shemale_magic> now how about upgrading older boxen?
17:29 < shemale_magic> do I need to nuke ze box, or can I upgrade smoothy?
17:29 < rxr> so it was turning dev/{ide,scsi}/hostX/busY/targetZ/... into /dev/whatever
17:29 < rxr> was arch the system whit this "rolling release systems"?
17:29 < shemale_magic> well
17:29 < rxr> most people build T2 from source and have something simillar
17:30 < shemale_magic> yeah kinda you upgade and boo your at current
17:30 < shemale_magic> It did have some crap with udev tho0ugh
17:30 < shemale_magic> is udev new?
17:30 < rxr> that is you just build from source into the system what you have installed or want to add
17:30 < shemale_magic> why is it nicer?
17:30 < rxr> you pretty much stay on up-to-date quite nicely
17:30 < shemale_magic> no arch is i686 only binaries
17:30 < shemale_magic> oh you mean t2
17:30 < shemale_magic> hm
17:31 < rxr> well - you can install binary release with t2 likewise
17:31 < shemale_magic> yeah sorcerer linux claims same, in fact sometimes patch a package you have
17:31 < shemale_magic> little to download
17:31 < shemale_magic> hm
17:31 < shemale_magic> ok let me ask this
17:31 < rxr> it is just that T2 is the big picture, from the development environment, the automatic build system to shipping pre-built CDs
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17:32 < shemale_magic> In arch, I had for the wlan nic usb I have, little key nic, to downlaod firmware from sourceofrge even though the kernel has the zd1201 driver since 2.6.12, and create /lib/firmware dir, place 2 .fwb firmware files there from a floppy, and then the box saw the device, should I be able to do taht with any linux?
17:33 < rxr> with all reaonable linuxs you should be able to do this, yes
17:34 < rxr> we even ship most of the firmware stuff by default
17:34 < rxr> though I fear I never heared about the zd1201 ...
17:34 < shemale_magic> zydas driver
17:34 < shemale_magic> zydas chipset common in cheap wlan usb nics
17:35 < shemale_magic> my fuckwit of a rommate got wireless net
17:35 < shemale_magic> Id be fine with ethernet cords
17:36 < rxr> :-)
17:36 < rxr> just a second and the firmware will be in t2 ...
17:36 < shemale_magic> so you basically started t2?
17:36 < rxr> yep
17:36 < rxr> in the meantime there are 20 people with write access
17:36 < rxr> that is more than most other projects
17:36 < shemale_magic> http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/
17:37 < rxr> rock l inux has 2-3 write people :-)
17:37 < shemale_magic> soudns liek you guys are moving ahead
17:37 < rxr> yeah - rock linux SVN revision: 8157 - T2 SVN revision: 22226.
17:37 < shemale_magic> Im comparing ssytems a bit, how do compare performance of linux vs freebsd these days
17:38 < shemale_magic> freebsd seems fierce competitor
17:38 < shemale_magic> arch is about nicest linux ive tried
17:38 < shemale_magic> so far
17:38 < shemale_magic> I found it funny that even though the kernel has zd1201 river
17:38 < shemale_magic> driver
17:39 < shemale_magic> It wouldnt work without firmware
17:39 < shemale_magic> the buggers
17:40 < shemale_magic> Id have to asume that /lib/firmware is where the kernel looks for like firmware for devices?
17:40 < rxr> well - sort of
17:40 < shemale_magic> how it knows that those files are for the nic thugh is beyond me
17:40 < shemale_magic> magic!
17:40 < rxr> the kernel asks the user-space for a firmware named "zydas-whatever"
17:41 < rxr> /lib/firmware is the standard location where the user-space tools grab the files from then
17:41 < rxr> it just work in t2 of course as well
17:41 < rxr> the files are for the micro processor of the NIC
17:41 < rxr> they are the program the NIC CPU will run then
17:41 < shemale_magic> zd1201,fw is the name
17:41 < shemale_magic> zd1201.fw and zd1201-ap.fw
17:41 < shemale_magic> are on the floppy
17:42 < shemale_magic> wow
17:42 < shemale_magic> hardcore
17:42 < shemale_magic> I wonder if they are done in forth?
17:42 < rxr> nope - normally not
17:43 < rxr> forth is more a open firmware sparc, powerpc thing
17:43 < rxr> those binaries usually are machine code
17:43 < rxr> often 8085 or ARM CPUs are used in the peripherals and thus the firmware is binary code for those cpus
17:44 < shemale_magic> wow
17:44 < rxr> but can also be completely custom when the HW manufactor reinvented the wheel
17:44 < rxr> e.g. NVidia and ATi cards eat very much custom microcode for the GPUs ...
17:44 < shemale_magic> Ive heard of 8085, heh, Im such a nerd, I was reading thsi guys site www.isForth.org and he said that is is favorite microproc
17:45 < shemale_magic> so how did you become so wize in the ways of linux?
17:45 < shemale_magic> IM such a crappy admin
17:46 < shemale_magic> but I enjoy it so Im getting better, learnign not to worry about everything and that everything is a few tweaksz
17:46 < CIA-9> rene * r22227 /trunk/package/firmware/zd1201-fw/ (. zd1201-fw.cache zd1201-fw.conf zd1201-fw.desc): * added zd1201-fw (0.14) - Firmware files for ZyDAS 1201
17:46 < shemale_magic> hm now let me see how big t2 ISOs are
17:46 < rxr> shemale_magic: I tinker with hardware since I'm 8 or so ...
17:47 < shemale_magic> !!
17:47 < rxr> I even programmed with a 8085 CPU in the 80th when it was a single chip and not build into w-lan chips ...
17:47 < shemale_magic> er so how do I get the iso with the above zd change?
17:47 < shemale_magic> 80s?
17:47 < shemale_magic> 1980s?
17:47 < shemale_magic> woa
17:47 < rxr> I got into the ROCK Linux project in 1999 or so when Linux was not that mainstream and since then am involved in a lot of Open Source projects
17:48 < rxr> from the kerne, to c libraries compilers, ... ... ...
17:48 < rxr> more like 1989 and 1990
17:48 < shemale_magic> damn, I see alot of free stuff but have not really programmed much
17:48 < shemale_magic> lisp seesm interesting
17:48 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/about/
17:48 < rxr> ^- 2nd entry is me
17:50 < shemale_magic> well done
17:50 < shemale_magic> hm what is SANE again?
17:51 < rxr> Scanner Access Now Easy
17:51 < shemale_magic> ah
17:51 < shemale_magic> ExactCODE was founded by Rene Rebe and Valentin Ziegler in 2004 as loose jount venture to successfully realize Linux based projects and matured since then to a healthy company focusing on embedded systems and driver development.
17:51 < shemale_magic> joint venture, not jount LOL
17:52 < rxr> heh - that happens when you are not nativ english speaker ... :-)
17:52 < shemale_magic> ok so I cant wait, how do I get the ISO for t2 with those firmwares?
17:53 < shemale_magic> or is there none until its rolled into next release
17:53 < shemale_magic> I guess I can try standard ISO
17:53 < rxr> there is a t2 release pending for next week
17:53 < shemale_magic> and use floppy
17:53 < shemale_magic> sweet
17:53 < rxr> however the driver is in trunk and not the 6.0 release branch
17:54 < rxr> though as the fw is likely not to cause regressions I could quickly merge it over :-)
17:54 < shemale_magic> :-D
17:55 < shemale_magic> jsut calling redaht linux about an rpm takes 100x as long
17:55 < shemale_magic> er Redhat
17:55 < rxr> (same with RockLinux :-)
17:56 < shemale_magic> LOL
17:56 < shemale_magic> LOL
17:56 < rxr> when we all where that depressed we quickly left it and founded something more open :-)
17:56 < shemale_magic> free software rules
17:57 < shemale_magic> democracy in action
17:57 < CIA-9> rene * r22228 /branches/6.0/package/firmware/zd1201-fw/ (7 files): * merged r22227 from trunk: added zd1201-fw (0.14) - Firmware files for ZyDAS 1201
17:57 < rxr> :-)
17:58 < shemale_magic> lol
17:58 < shemale_magic> unbelieveable
17:59 < shemale_magic> 6.0.1 for i686 http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/6.0.1/minimal-x86-pentium-mmx/ seesm 6.0.2 is sparc only?
17:59 < rxr> yes 6.0.2 was just a accumualted sparc fixes release
17:59 < rxr> The Sun T1 Niagara CPU is that hot topic we had to quickly release hotfixes on-the-way
17:59 < rxr> but the source tarball is available as well - yo you can build 6.0.2 for anything anyway
18:00 < rxr> just that the diff between 6.0.1 -> 6.0.2 was mostly sparc (beside some security stuff along the way)
18:00 < shemale_magic> ok
18:00 < shemale_magic> patch stuff
18:00 < shemale_magic> ok
18:00 < shemale_magic> once installed can I upgrade to even newer packages?
18:01 < shemale_magic> ;)
18:01 < rxr> yeas, by builing the updates from source
18:01 < shemale_magic> ahh
18:01 < rxr> in some weeks we also will offer signed, binary updates
18:01 < shemale_magic> this is new to me
18:02 < shemale_magic> Im amiing for zorg, gaim, opera, firefox, on a basic x desktop (not kde or gnome)
18:02 < shemale_magic> with my wlan ready to go
18:02 < shemale_magic> :)
18:02 < shemale_magic> so i need the wavelan tools
18:02 < shemale_magic> ...
18:02 < shemale_magic> wireless tools
18:02 < shemale_magic> xorg
18:02 < shemale_magic> lol
18:03 < rxr> well - the usual desktop build includes the kde basics
18:03 < rxr> I hope it is not too much for you
18:04 < rxr> but that exactly is the point of the T2 System Development Environment - SDE
18:04 < rxr> it allows anyway to comfortable build their flavour - for any architecture they like
18:04 < rxr> e.g. we just recently prepared a minimal 50 MB CD with very custom sofware: embedded X, blackbox, etc.
18:05 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/targets/t-resc.html
18:08 < shemale_magic> can that one be installed to the hard drive?
18:09 < shemale_magic> :)
18:11 < rxr> by manual tweaking yes
18:11 < rxr> not automatically, yet
18:14 < rxr> (maybe you want to volunteer writing that script :-)
18:14 < rxr> btw. major targets currently in t2: http://www.t2-project.org/targets.html
18:14 < rxr> and all the architectures currently supported: http://www.t2-project.org/architectures.html
18:24 < shemale_magic> what target for just server use with xorg desktop for web surfing?
18:29 < shemale_magic> hm
18:44 < rxr> well - a server target usually has no X :-)
18:44 < rxr> but you can use desktop for that, it comes with apache, exim, bind, ...
18:44 < rxr> samba et al.
18:57 < shemale_magic> ok
18:58 < shemale_magic> desktop target?
18:58 [Users #t2]
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18:58 [ Capey ] [ emte__] [ mtr ] [ shemale_magic] [ valentin]
18:58 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ R4gnar0k] [ sparc-kly ] [ zod ]
18:58 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
18:58 < shemale_magic> http://www.t2-project.org/targets.html ?
18:58 < rxr> yeah - it is not listed there anymore explictly because the @Live covers it nowadays
18:59 < rxr> http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/6.0.0/
18:59 < rxr> ^- desktops ...
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19:15 < shemale_magic> oh crap I was downlaoding pentium mmx 6.0.1 lol
19:18 < shemale_magic> once I have minimal
19:18 < shemale_magic> is it ez to get xorg?
19:19 < rxr> the minimal is really minimal - I'm not sure if you are comfortable with it
19:19 < rxr> it is possible to build the remaining stuff like X
19:19 < rxr> but if you want X and firefox I suggest really download the desktop
19:19 < rxr> it is way easier that way
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19:55 < d-marc> cu
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20:04 < CIA-9> rene * r22229 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/no-isapnp.h.patch: * fixed hotplug++ to build with latest linux kernel headers
20:05 < rxr> so - evening dinner and home hacking - cu then
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