--- Log opened Sun Dec 10 00:00:34 2006 00:01 < _Ragnar_> moin 01:31 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 02:08 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.87.228] has joined #t2 02:18 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.87.228] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:13 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:29 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 08:25 -!- DEac-_ [n=deac@xdsl-87-78-10-151.netcologne.de] has joined #t2 08:31 -!- DEac- [n=deac@xdsl-195-14-203-219.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 10:28 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 10:28 < misl> hi folks 12:26 < rxr> moin 12:26 < rxr> hi misl 12:26 [Users #t2] 12:26 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ tigger^ ] 12:26 [ _Ragnar_] [ DEac-_] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 12:26 [ Capey ] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ Stelz] 12:26 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 12:27 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 13:18 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@adsl-72-50-96-53.prtc.net] has joined #t2 13:21 < rxr> hi sparc-kly 13:21 [Users #t2] 13:21 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ Stelz ] 13:21 [ _Ragnar_] [ DEac-_] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ tigger^ ] 13:21 [ Capey ] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ sparc-kly] [ valentin] 13:21 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 13:21 < sparc-kly> hi rxr :) 13:22 < Stelz> mm.. 13:22 < Stelz> rehi sparc-kly 13:22 < Stelz> :) 13:22 < Stelz> nice to c u here again :) 13:22 < sparc-kly> heheh 13:37 -!- illution___ [n=illution@196.203.241.95] has joined #t2 13:38 [Users #t2] 13:38 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ idealm ] [ misl] [ sparc-kly] [ valentin] 13:38 [ _Ragnar_] [ DEac-_] [ illution___] [ mtr ] [ Stelz ] 13:38 [ Capey ] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ tigger^ ] 13:38 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 13:39 < CIA-9> susan * r21207 /trunk/package/graphic/vigra/vigra.desc: * updated vigra (1.4.0 -> 1.5.0) 13:43 -!- illution___ [n=illution@196.203.241.95] has quit ["Quitte"] 14:42 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.189.46.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 14:42 < sepp> hello :) 14:42 < Stelz> hi sepp ;) 14:43 < sepp> hi Stelz :) 14:43 * Stelz is waiting for rxr's minix-integration.. :) 14:45 < sepp> :) 14:47 * Stelz is waiting for rxr's minix-integration.. to start openbsd-integration :) 14:47 < Stelz> hehe sepp :P 14:47 < sepp> ? 14:47 < Stelz> no, just ":P" 14:49 < rxr> re 14:50 < sepp> hi rxr 14:50 < Stelz> rehi rxr 15:08 < CIA-9> rene * r21209 /trunk/package/base/tre/ (. tre.cache tre.desc): * added tre (0.7.5) - A lightweight POSIX compatible regexp library, supporting fuzzy matching 15:12 < CIA-9> rene * r21210 /trunk/package/develop/cmake/cmake.desc: * updated cmake (2.4.3 -> 2.4.5) 15:17 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.189.46.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:19 < CIA-9> rene * r21208 /trunk/package/develop/rapidsvn/rapidsvn.desc: * updated rapidsvn (0.9.3 -> 0.9.4) 15:38 < CIA-9> rene * r21211 /trunk/package/database/opendbx/ (. opendbx.cache opendbx.desc): * added opendbx (1.1.8) - A unified database API and C library 15:54 < rxr> ok - I'm off for lunch 15:54 < rxr> yeah - I know a bit late - but breakfast was that late today .. 15:54 < rxr> cu then 15:59 < Stelz> cu rxr 18:33 < rxr> re 19:03 < CIA-9> rene * r21213 /trunk/package/network/leafnode/ (. leafnode.cache leafnode.desc postsysfiles.in): * added leafnode (1.11.5) - An NNTP server for small leaf sites 19:18 < LMJ> moin moin 19:18 < rxr> moin moin LMJ 19:18 < LMJ> how are you rxr ? 19:18 < Stelz> moin LMJ 19:18 < LMJ> moin sparc-kly 19:18 < LMJ> damned 19:18 < Stelz> :>> 19:18 < LMJ> Stelz ;) 19:18 < Stelz> ;0 19:20 < rxr> LMJ: how are you ? 19:20 < LMJ> pretty fine, wasted my weekend sleeping & eating ;) 19:22 < LMJ> and you ? 19:28 < rxr> oh - fine too 19:28 < rxr> had been 2 days extern at companies, 3 days next week ... 19:28 < LMJ> i saw an initial annoucement on freshmeat you did 19:29 < rxr> and the remaining days readying our closed source OS X product new version for delivery ... 19:29 < LMJ> macOs X scanner stuff 19:29 < rxr> yeah - we do this for a year now along the lines 19:30 < rxr> but start to promote it a bit more these days so all the work hopefully, eventually pays off ... 19:30 < LMJ> you sell it ? 19:30 < rxr> for OS X, yes 19:30 < rxr> I do not do commercial OS stuff for the fun of it 19:30 < rxr> actually it is no fun at all ... 19:30 < _Ragnar_> I bet 19:31 < rxr> but I do the Open Source SANE implementation since 1996 or so .. 19:31 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/avision/ 19:31 < LMJ> you work on SANE ? 19:31 < rxr> yeah 19:31 < rxr> wrote a full backend from scratch in the 90th 19:31 < rxr> it is over 6000 lines of code now 19:31 < rxr> and support neearly 90 different scanners 19:32 < rxr> (all from the same company delivering to other OEM partners ...) 19:32 < rxr> the list is here: http://www.exactcode.de/oss/avision/devices.html 19:32 < LMJ> damned 19:32 < LMJ> dude 19:32 < LMJ> how many line of code are you pissing each day ? 19:32 < rxr> the OS X stuff you saw scrolling by is the same polished for OS X and a OS X only programm dedicated for it 19:33 < rxr> but you can have the same functionality (-- the custom applicatoin) with said SANE backend and my exact-image library 19:33 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/exact-image/ 19:33 < LMJ> I only have a Epson Perfection 1250 photo here 19:34 < rxr> exact-image allows automatic (inteligent) thresholding to b/w (e.g. for space efficent document archival) and allows detecting blank pages 19:34 < LMJ> what is your development environement tool ? 19:34 < rxr> LMJ: heh - sorry, that is not silicon that can be driver by the backend I wrote ... 19:34 < rxr> development tool ? you mean the IDE on OS X ? 19:34 < LMJ> on osX & linux ? 19:35 < LMJ> don't tell me vi or vim ;) 19:36 < rxr> well on Linux I'm not that picky - I use the best of all worlds, that is XEmacs for big files, Vim for not that big files but also e.g. KDE's kate when the file browser or so opens it due to MIME binding 19:36 < rxr> on OS X I sue XCode ... - it is not perfect but ok - at least way better than M$ stuff 19:37 < rxr> since gdb can barely be called a debugger I do not have a good debugger on linux, but valgrind and co fill some shortcommings ... 19:37 < rxr> suprisingly the Apple patched up gdb on OS X works a bit better .... 19:38 < LMJ> i tested valgrind some days ago 19:39 < LMJ> to debug why sylpheed-claws crashed all around when i moved emails from an IMAP folder to another IMAP mailbox folder 19:43 < rxr> and, did it reavel something ? 19:45 < LMJ> something nasty on the GTK side i think 19:45 < LMJ> I just pasted the output to sylpheed guys 19:46 < CIA-9> rene * r21215 /trunk/package/develop/libcoyotl/ (. libcoyotl.cache libcoyotl.desc): * added libcoyotl (3.2.0) - A Collection of "Interesting" Classes 19:49 < rxr> LMJ: btw. despite some OS X activity you do not have to fear this will mean degration of T2 conribution 19:49 < rxr> we already do this for over 1 1/2 years now ... 19:49 < LMJ> no problem ;) 19:49 < rxr> it is just one thing of our business ... 19:49 < LMJ> I saw T2 6.0.2 19:50 < rxr> in fact there are some great, major things comming to t2 19:50 < LMJ> I've posted a news on UCC.fr 19:50 < rxr> including a officially printed handbook next year buy a publisher ... 19:50 < LMJ> maybe i will host also the stable repository 19:50 < LMJ> good 19:50 < LMJ> seriously 19:50 < LMJ> about the website 19:51 < LMJ> you added a bug tracker : good 19:52 < LMJ> but I personaly think that T2 need more then a static website + a bug tracker 19:53 < LMJ> depending of your future vision of T2 19:54 < rxr> sure and active, friendly colaborating community is needed as well .-) 19:54 < rxr> so far it looks quite good, constantly increasing I would say 19:54 < rxr> did you just meant a better, more dynamic homepage ? 19:55 < rxr> btw - could you include some form of a link to the t2-homepage to your news? 19:56 < rxr> not only would that help users to find it - it would also make your side show up in our webstats :-) 19:56 < LMJ> We should have (at least) a wiki splitted in 2 parts : a wiki to improve an "official documentation" and a HOWTO Wiki with topic like "creation a distro for your home" with extra linux advices, HOWTO setup Samba+OpenLDAP with T2, etc... But maybe you think it's out of the scope of T2 but i'm scared regular people will never try T2 because there is not help around 19:57 < rxr> of course 19:58 < rxr> for now the trac issue tracker even has a wiki 19:58 < LMJ> yes 19:58 < rxr> it could be explored now, already 19:58 < rxr> and the homepage is also writable for multiple people 19:58 < rxr> sad thing is most people do not care too much about extending documentation 19:59 < LMJ> you showed me a beta homepage done with a CMS, i can't remember the name 19:59 < rxr> do you think integrating a wiki more into the main homepage will attract more people actually editing it ? 20:00 < rxr> another concern is that we have then 3 different documentatoins: the homepage, the wiki and the handbook 20:00 < rxr> it will become quite cumbersome to keep them all in sync 20:00 < LMJ> I think the TRAC wiki is only good when your website is dedicated to trac 20:01 < LMJ> hum 20:01 < CIA-9> rene * r21216 /trunk/package/develop/libevocosm/ (. compile.patch.libevocosm libevocosm.cache libevocosm.desc): * added libevocosm (3.2.0) - A C++ framework for evolutionary computing and genetic algorithms 20:01 < LMJ> Docs should be done in XML, ... i don't Wiki who works on XML 20:04 < rxr> true 20:04 < rxr> that could help basing the handbook on the wiki or so 20:04 < rxr> I'm always very open to improvements in communication and pr and the like 20:05 < LMJ> i don't know if Wiki output could be Print quality 20:05 < rxr> one could do some XSLT wiki-xml -> docbook xml translation ... 20:06 < rxr> just drop a note about idea you have or what area you want to work on - e.g. setup testspins and the like 20:06 < LMJ> drop where ? 20:06 < LMJ> on the ML ? 20:06 < rxr> here, like now - the list, or to me 20:06 < LMJ> yes 20:07 < LMJ> i'm very interested on the Web side of T2, promote it 20:08 < LMJ> of course, extra web stuff could look like a commercial approach, but you have to communicate to attrack people : newbie will come, but it could be very good programmers who can improve T2 20:09 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E11C16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 20:10 < rxr> LMJ: do you want a http://www.ucc.fr/ link on www.t2-project.org/startpage ? 20:13 < LMJ> ho yes, why not 20:13 < LMJ> I could share a "2D/3D/Video Graphic oriented T2 Target" with the UCC name 20:14 < CIA-9> rene * r21217 /trunk/package/develop/libcoyotl/libcoyotl.desc: * downdated libcoyotl (3.2.0 -> 3.1.0), because Acovea does not build with 3.2.0 ... 20:14 < LMJ> Sepp could be a great help on this side, i know more then me 20:14 < LMJ> he knows* 20:14 < CIA-9> rene * r21218 /trunk/package/develop/libevocosm/ (compile.patch.libevocosm libevocosm.desc): * updated libevocosm (3.2.0 -> 3.1.0), because Acovea does not build with 3.2.0 ... 20:16 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E1335C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:16 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 20:16 < CIA-9> rene * r21219 /trunk/package/develop/acovea/ (. acovea.cache acovea.desc): * added acovea (5.1.1) - A genetic algorithm that finds the best compilation options 20:16 < rxr> LMJ: ok - link added 20:16 < LMJ> thanks 20:16 < LMJ> gonna update the static news 20:17 < LMJ> the latest T2 is 6.0.2 20:17 < rxr> ok - n8 all - /me heading home :-) 20:18 < Stelz> 'night rxr 20:18 < LMJ> CU rxr 20:18 < Stelz> :) 20:30 -!- DEac- [n=deac@xdsl-84-44-215-12.netcologne.de] has joined #t2 20:42 -!- DEac-_ [n=deac@xdsl-87-78-10-151.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:38 -!- tri [n=tri@pD9EE2F3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 21:39 < tri> hi 21:52 < Stelz> hi tri 22:44 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.97.228] has joined #t2 22:58 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:59 -!- tri [n=tri@pD9EE2F3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #t2 [] 23:07 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:13 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 23:22 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:22 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.97.228] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 23:25 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.97.228] has joined #t2 23:30 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.97.228] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:35 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Mon Dec 11 00:00:35 2006