--- Log opened Fri Dec 01 00:00:27 2006
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15:53 < rxr> re
15:54 [Users #t2]
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15:54 [ capey   ] [ Demian] [ LMJ    ] [ rxr     ] [ zod     ] 
15:54 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
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17:18 < rxr> this is soo annoying
17:19 < rxr> I can not find a libslt version that is able to compile the libxcb-1.0.0 release ...
17:19 < rxr> sigh
17:19 < rxr> they are either erroring out with a parser error or segfaulting ..
17:19 < rxr> damn crack
17:20 < mtr> libxslt 1.1.17 does not work?
17:20 < mtr> Topix #xcb: "xsltproc 1.1.18  segfaults or hangs; use 1.1.17"
17:21 < mtr> Topic*
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17:27 < misl> hi folks
17:30 < mtr> hi misl 
17:31 < misl> hi mtr :)
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17:32 < Demian> hi
17:36 < mtr> hi Demian 
17:38 < Demian> um.. one of you remember what files to delete or purge from samba directory (*.tdb) so that there is no cache of shares permissions?
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18:12 < sepp> hello :)
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18:40 < rxr> hi sepp 
18:42 < sepp> hi rxr 
18:43 < sepp> has someone built latest wine?
18:43 < rxr> when I comitted it I built it :-)
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18:43 < rxr> /var/adm/logs/9-wine.log
18:43 < sepp> it produces files with only 0s in it with `... gcc -o relay.o relay.c` and so on
18:44 < rxr> Package Name and Version: wine 0.9.26 7.0-trunk
18:44 < sepp> same here
18:45 < sepp> strange
18:46 < sepp> can that be because of ccache and borked cache?
18:47 < rxr> can be
18:49 < sepp> ohh, that was it, i removed the wine cache dir ...
18:49 < sepp> will try things next time before asking :)
18:51 < sepp> cpu overheated, something did a emergency shtdown, cache was in a bad state :/
18:51 < rxr> heh - or just continue posting to bring life in here and fill our google reached knowledge base ;-)
18:54 < sepp> i took the heat sink from the cpu and it was way too hot to even touch it for a second
18:57 < sepp> the little vacuum cleaner on top filled it with dust over the years
18:59 < rxr> yeah
19:09 < _Ragnar_> hi hi
19:09 < emte> you need to buy some filters for your case
19:09 < emte> or switch to liquid cooling
19:10 < emte> i've had my drives shutdown my systems , not my cpu though
19:11 < emte> i need to invent a better way to keep my barracudas cool
19:13 < _Ragnar_> put a 120mm fan in front of it
19:13 < _Ragnar_> and don't use a caddy
19:14 < emte> my personl issue is more due to ambient temperature
19:14 < emte> personal*
19:15 < _Ragnar_> ah lol
19:16 < emte> doesnt happen super often anymore though, its a bit milder where i live now
19:16 < _Ragnar_> and for CPU get a scythe ninja cooler
19:16 < sepp> maybe i should better get a cleaning lady
19:16 < emte> i've zalman atm
19:17 < sepp> :)
19:17 < _Ragnar_> lol
19:17 < sepp> she could collect the dust before the pc sucks it in
19:17 < emte> waiting to hit the lotto to buy a resorator
19:17 < emte> and strap a few peltiers to it
19:18 < emte> here you go sepp http://www.pccasegear.com/category38_1.htm
19:18 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Hardware-hacking/d0010144.jpg
19:19 < rxr> ^- burner power regulators .-)
19:19 < emte> lol
19:21 < _Ragnar_> that doesn't look good :0
19:21 < _Ragnar_> looks like way too much thermal compound on the proc too :)
19:22 < emte> its an amd
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19:22 < tigger^> anyone seen/knows how to handle/fix:
19:22 < rxr> _Ragnar_: yeah - maybe a bit
19:22 < tigger^> /home/rob/t2-trunk/build/system-7.0-trunk-t2rtbt-x86/usr/dietlibc/include/sys/stat.h:621: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' befor
19:22 < tigger^> e 'mode_t'
19:22 < rxr> that photo is very old anyway - 2 years or soo ...
19:23 < tigger^> this is while building vanilla t2trt target
19:23 < rxr> it's a ordinary 32bit Athlon from them time when it was recent ...
19:23 < tigger^> t2rtbt even :)
19:23 < sepp> i should make a photo of my board, the capacitor row looks like it has been there for 100 years
19:23 < tigger^> I get loads of errors following that
19:23 < tigger^> while compiling cpio in stage 1
19:24 < rxr> tigger^: oh - nice someone actually trying that target, it might be some rough edges are not yet polished on it
19:24 < tigger^> suggestions for what I might try?
19:25 < tigger^> this is my first experience with t2
19:25 < tigger^> so I'm a little unsure of my footing
19:25 < rxr> let me take a look what I did with t2rtbt .-)
19:26 < tigger^> :)
19:26 < tigger^> I should mention this is with svn of t2-trunk
19:26 < rxr> yeah - t2rtbt is not in 6.0-stable anyway :-)
19:26 < tigger^> right, just remembered
19:26 < rxr> tigger^: do you expect a fully finished polished target or just wanna toy around ?
19:27 < rxr> I ask because I just start t2rtbt for the fun of it and it is not yet really finished / 100% functional
19:27 < rxr> that is "developers welcome" :-)
19:27 < tigger^> rxr: bit of both, I'd like a small system to build on
19:27 < tigger^> I tried compiling embedded also, but iirc that failed
19:28 < tigger^> for a different reason
19:28 < rxr> well - than better chosse the embedded target as base
19:28 < tigger^> something as small as rtbt seemed like a good place to start
19:28 < rxr> because the t2rtbt will get very specializties such as some standard tools written in lua (as the orignial tomsrtbt had) and so on
19:28 < tigger^> and iron out UserError as much as possible before asking stupid questions and wasting peoples time :)
19:28 < tigger^> I see
19:28 < tigger^> I'll retry that one
19:28 < tigger^> thanks
19:29 < rxr> there you have the choice between ucibc (where more stuff bulids) or dietlibc (less is more - but you can not choose every third party package
19:29 < rxr> if you want something that builds more than less choose 6.0-stable tree
19:30 < rxr> as in trunk we update and polish stuff which sometimes break the "non-mainstream" target configurations from building
19:30  * tigger^ nods
19:30 < tigger^> kinda the point of trunk :)
19:30 < rxr> e.g. just yesterday we updated linux to 2.6.19 and now we have to hunt all the third party kernel module packages to actually build again and so on
19:30 < _Ragnar_> o_o yea
19:31 < rxr> and I'm also not sure if the new binutils will cause regressions
19:31 < rxr> the changelog read a bit experimental to me ...
19:31 < rxr> non-the-less I wanted to give it a try as only the last minir version number bit changed
19:31 < tigger^> rxr: 6.0.1?
19:32 < rxr> tigger^: if you can checkout the 6.0 branch
19:32 < tigger^> ok
19:32 < rxr> howto should be documented here:
19:33 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/download.html
19:33 < rxr> hm - ok - 6.0 is not mentioned
19:33 < rxr> anyway just svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/6.0/ t2-6.0
19:33 < tigger^> oki
19:34 < tigger^> are things backported to that?
19:34 < tigger^> or is it now static?
19:35 < rxr> the branch is dynamic
19:35 < rxr> e.g. receives backports
19:35 < tigger^> k
19:35 < rxr> tags are done from it
19:36 < tigger^> just by the by, is anyone still attempting zaurus builds with t2?
19:36 < tigger^> I found some stuff from 2004/5 in some irc logs
19:36 < tigger^> but no recent stuff
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19:52 < rxr> tigger^: yeah - emte I think it was who is working on Ipaq support
19:53 < rxr> tigger^: and here in the company, susan, also wants to proof of concept get T2 on her Ipaq (when her dipoma theseis about something related to that device) finished
19:53 < rxr> tigger^: furthermore we, exactcode, is delivering t2 linux to industry partners - so embedded support will gradually improve further
19:54  * tigger^ nods
19:54 < rxr> tigger^: and last but not least we got some very breaking news related to T2 promotion that I can not open up here right now that will quite boost public awareness of T2 over the last year significantly
19:55 < emte> yeah i am
19:55 < tigger^> well I got told so many times I was a developer of an inferior system
19:55 < tigger^> so I finally gave up and am trying t2 ;)
19:55 < tigger^> (well, something like that)
19:56 < emte> my exams have priority for the next two weeks though
19:56  * tigger^ nods
19:56 < tigger^> emte: maybe I'll bug you in 2/3 weeks time then
19:57 < tigger^> emte: see if I can offer random spurts of assistance ;)
19:58 < rxr> tigger^: what inferior system ?
19:58 < tigger^> rxr: not that I beleive they are comparable, but Gentoo
19:59 < emte> well tigger^ most things are working
19:59 < rxr> ah yeah
19:59 < tigger^> Where was a developer until ~6 months ago
19:59 < emte> i need to make tslib behave and then all i need to do are pull in the familiar specific patches and scripts
19:59 < rxr> too bad Gentoo is a bit more known than T2 these days
19:59 < tigger^> rxr: they have different goals
19:59 < tigger^> imho
19:59 < rxr> but especially in embedded, cross compile and such area T2 has (in my opinion) very strong pros
19:59 < tigger^> but maybe this is my lack of knowledge of t2
20:00 < rxr> of course they have more devels and hardcode more dependencies more exactly and such :-)
20:00 < rxr> tigger^: ack
20:00 < rxr> tigger^: I have to leave now - evening dinner and such
20:00 < emte> as long as i dont run into a specific version requirement, it should all be good love
20:00 < rxr> tigger^: if you have T2 related issues to solve just feel free to bug me
20:01 < tigger^> emte: :)
20:01 < tigger^> rxr: sure
20:01 < rxr> I'm mostly here from 8-18 o'clock UTC
20:01 < tigger^> likewise
20:01 < tigger^> well, maybe 9
20:01 < tigger^> ;)
20:01 < rxr> tigger^: EU I guess then?
20:01 < tigger^> Yep, Dublin
20:01 < rxr> oh - cool!
20:01 < rxr> ireland is soooo nice
20:02 < tigger^> heh, I like Dublin certainly
20:02 < rxr> have been on a 3 week cycling trip round it 1998
20:02 < tigger^> Took us a while to get used to it, but yeah, we both love Dublin now
20:02 < rxr> where are you from ?
20:02 < tigger^> Peterborough, UK
20:03 < tigger^> So a really long way from Dublin *cough*
20:03 < rxr> :-)
20:03 < tigger^> It's about an hour from London ;)
20:03 < rxr> Berlin, DE here ...
20:03 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Ireland/
20:04 < rxr> too bad importing it into my new blog removed the comments off the pictures ...
20:04 < tigger^> :/
20:04 < rxr> anyway - susan is waiting - have to urry now .-)
20:04 < tigger^> sure
20:04 < tigger^> cya
20:04 < rxr> tigger^: would be nice to see you around here then - just ask any question you have
20:04 < rxr> or: http://bugs.t2-project.org/newticket
20:04 < rxr> :-)
20:05  * tigger^ nods
20:08 < tigger^> oh, one thing I meant to ask, how does ccache voodoo work?
20:08 < tigger^> it's not clear where to turn it on, or if it's automatic
20:14 < sepp> there is a option in Config
20:15 < sepp> "use ccache whenever possible" or so
20:15 < tigger^> ok, I missed it clearly
20:15 < tigger^> I'll check again
20:15 < tigger^> thanks
20:15 < sepp> np
20:30 < tigger^> /home/rob/t2-6.0/misc/target/functions.in: line 19: 24865 Segmentation fault      tar cSp --no-recursion --files-from=$3
20:30 < tigger^> :/
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20:32 < sepp> some bash problem?
20:32 < tigger^> checking it now
20:37 < tigger^> re-running the build is rebuilding the packages
20:37 < tigger^> kinda figured it wouldn't do that
20:37 < tigger^> expected it to cache the ones it's already built
20:39 < sepp> if you restart Build-Target it will continue, not restart from 0
20:40 < tigger^> I see
20:40 < tigger^> wee. different error this time
20:40  * tigger^ sighs
20:40  * tigger^ turns off tmpfs for building
20:41 < tigger^> I don't see ccache in the config btw
20:41 < tigger^> I rechecked
20:41 < tigger^> Under which heading should it be?
20:42 < sepp> under expert options?
20:42 < tigger^> Yep
20:42 < tigger^> I expected it under 'Various options'
20:42 < tigger^> But it's not there, that I can see
20:44 < sepp> [*]    Use compiler cache (ccache) where possible
20:44 < tigger^> I don't have that option :/
20:44 < tigger^> anyway, have to go out
20:44 < tigger^> Thanks for the help
20:44 < sepp> ok
20:44 < sepp> :)
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20:46 < sepp> tigger^: you need to enable the ccache package
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21:47 < tigger^> sepp: ah. I see
21:47 < tigger^> sepp: makes sense really ;)
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22:12 < tigger^> rxr: !> xheader.c:991: error: 'SIZE_MAX' undeclared (first use in this function)
22:12 < tigger^> rxr: while compiling archiver/tar stage 1 on generic embedded
22:12 < tigger^> rxr: guessing it relates to: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=94084
22:16 < tigger^> rxr: ah, I see there was a ml post relating to it
22:45 < tigger^> rxr: seems you've a fix for it in the 6.0 stable branch, but it I still get the error :/
23:01 < tigger^> rxr: mm. posting related to disktype, whereas I get it for tar
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