--- Log opened Mon Nov 13 00:00:29 2006 00:29 < pamdirac> night 00:29 -!- pamdirac [n=pamdirac@88-149-163-222.f5.ngi.it] has left #t2 [] 02:05 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.58.130] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:14 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.106.154] has joined #t2 04:59 < rxr> re 04:59 < rxr> moin all 05:18 < emte> moo 05:22 < rxr> hi emte 05:22 [Users #t2] 05:22 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ rxr ] [ zod] 05:22 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ sepp ] 05:22 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ valentin] 05:22 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal] 05:23 < CIA-5> rene * r20816 /trunk/package/shells/bash/bash.desc: * updated bash (3.2-3 -> 3.2-5) 05:23 < emte> hey 05:23 < CIA-5> rene * r20817 /trunk/package/network/pound/pound.desc: * updated pound (2.1.5 -> 2.1.6), and cleaned trailing spacing 05:26 < CIA-5> rene * r20818 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.24 -> 0.9.25) 05:35 < CIA-5> rene * r20819 /trunk/package/shells/fish/ (. fish.cache fish.desc): * added fish (1.22.1) - A shell focused on interactive use, discoverability, and user friendliness 05:38 < CIA-5> rene * r20820 /trunk/package/kde/smb4k/smb4k.desc: * updated smb4k (0.6.10 -> 0.7.4), fixed spacing and line wrapping 05:44 < sepp> quack 05:45 < emte> quack quack yourself 05:45 < emte> :P 05:45 < rxr> hey, moin sepp ! 05:45 < sepp> :D 05:45 < sepp> moin rxr 05:45 < emte> i dont suppose anyone had any musings on my strip problem 05:46 < rxr> emte: musings ? 05:46 < emte> i havent had any time to solve it yet 05:46 < emte> thoughts, ideas, workarounds 05:48 < rxr> I do not remember it in detail 05:48 < rxr> dare to repost ? 05:48 < rxr> it was just with tinylogin ? 05:49 < emte> yeah but i expect it will/might showup elsewhere 05:49 < rxr> you prepared a t2 tinylogin package ? 05:50 < emte> yeah 05:50 < rxr> .desc and such 05:50 < rxr> emte: send it over in some way and I debug it 05:50 < emte> not desc 05:50 < emte> er wait 05:50 < rxr> rene [at] exactcode [dot] de 05:50 < emte> yeah .desc etc 05:51 < CIA-5> rene * r20821 /trunk/target/mini-live-kde/pkgsel: 05:51 < CIA-5> * let mini-live-kde just base on the minimal-xorg template 05:51 < CIA-5> * added the kde baseics (and qtparted) explicitly 05:52 < emte> sent 05:52 < emte> the error shows it compiles fine etc 05:53 < emte> its how its handling the strip call 05:54 < emte> as the Makefile explicitly calls strip ... either i need a workaround or to patch that to be correct 05:55 < emte> or i am missing something else 05:55 < rxr> http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/05/tiny-music-makers-pt-3-thx-sound.html 06:01 < emte> i think the problem is that it runs strip without any flags and it's interpretation of the return is wrong 06:03 < emte> alto according to docs strip only has two returns 06:03 < emte> maybe it returns a fail condition without flags 06:04 < emte> in that case i would have to override or patch out the empty strip call 06:04 < emte> see that was easy to fix :) 06:10 < emte> hmm 06:10 < emte> i wonder if T2 is overriding STRIP ... 06:11 < rxr> it is defining STRIP, yes 06:11 < emte> can i suppress that and redefine it to STRIPTOOL 06:11 < emte> i am thinking this might be the problem 06:11 < emte> STRIP = $(STRIPTOOL) --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment $(PROG) 06:11 < emte> and T2 is overriding that 06:12 < emte> is my guess atm 06:12 < _Ragnar_> why should that matter? o_O 06:13 < rxr> emte: _Ragnar_: yes when defined at the command line make does not overwrite this variable ... 06:13 < _Ragnar_> yea sure 06:13 < emte> because 'strip' does not equal 'strip --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment $(PROG)' 06:13 < _Ragnar_> but why would the --remove-section matter? o_O 06:14 < rxr> emte: either patch this stupid STRIP call at the end away 06:14 < rxr> or we explicitly define STRIP to be empty 06:14 < rxr> T2 controls stripping in any case anyway 06:14 < emte> it looks like calling strip without any actions is a fail return 06:15 < emte> rxr, will do 06:16 < emte> nurd is proper for T2? 06:16 < rxr> nurd ? 06:16 < rxr> you also need to pass PREFIX to make install 06:17 < rxr> otherwise it appears to install into a $PWD/_install dir ... :-( 06:17 < emte> diff -Nurd 06:17 < rxr> ifndef $(PREFIX) 06:17 < rxr> PREFIX = `pwd`/_install 06:17 < rxr> endif 06:17 < rxr> the patch must be applyable with patch -p1 06:17 < rxr> thus carry either ./ or some-dir/ as prefix - the rest does not matter but we prefer unified diff 06:18 < emte> np, as for prefix, that is already handled in my case by other patches 06:19 < rxr> cat package/base/tinylogin/tinylogin.conf 06:19 < rxr> var_append makeinstopt ' ' "PREFIX=$root" 06:19 < emte> i'll drop that in to be friendly 06:19 < emte> :) 06:20 < rxr> I can commit the package, now :-) 06:20 < emte> you want my patch first? 06:20 < emte> since that one is generic 06:21 < emte> sent it to you 06:21 < emte> umm ... i havent checked to make sure it was right yet ... 06:22 < rxr> looks like mine :-) 06:23 < emte> i think you need to remove the .bad 06:23 < emte> ... wait you said p1 06:23 < emte> :) 06:24 < CIA-5> rene * r20822 /trunk/package/base/tinylogin/ (. strip.patch tinylogin.conf tinylogin.desc): 06:24 < CIA-5> Nigel Kostiuck : 06:24 < CIA-5> * added tinylogin (1.4) - Very small login utilities 06:24 < rxr> ^- test to buidl :-) 06:24 < rxr> build even 06:24 < rxr> thanks for the new package :-) 06:25 < emte> np, i needed it for familiar 06:26 < emte> i expect gpe might be a nightmare ... 06:30 < rxr> maybe 06:30 < rxr> we have it on our office TODO board for quite some time ... 06:30 < rxr> but susan did not yet found a free time slot to add it ... 06:30 < emte> you ever try to build it outside of OE? 06:31 < emte> even building it on a plain pc host is more than trivial 06:32 < emte> i've tried a few times, but have yet to get it to fully work 06:32 < emte> but it works well on small devices 06:33 < rxr> .oO 06:33 < rxr> sounds like much fun 06:35 < emte> i just want to modify the wifi network pannel to interface macchanger 06:36 < emte> interesting error 06:56 < emte> !> Found shared files with other packages: 06:56 < emte> !> sbin/sulogin: sysvinit tinylogin 06:57 < emte> thats expected ... so i need to suppress packaging one? 06:57 < _Ragnar_> yes 06:57 < _Ragnar_> or rename one 06:57 < _Ragnar_> like to /sbin/sulogin.tinylogin 06:58 < emte> ... 06:59 < rxr> emte: best disable sysvinit 06:59 < emte> i dont think sysvinit actually builds sulogin, it just links to it 06:59 < _Ragnar_> yea but it's needed for the startup scripts 06:59 < emte> correct 07:00 < _Ragnar_> so it better be there, if you have sysvinit or tinylogin installed, or both ;P 07:01 < emte> tinylogin provides it (as do other logins) but sysvinit shouldnt be packaging it ... atleast i dont think 07:01 < emte> but yeah i might have to go with rxr for the moment 07:02 < CIA-5> rene * r20823 /branches/6.0/package/base/uclibc/patches/gcc-200-uclibc-locale.patch: * merged r18312 from trunk: workaround for the uclibc gcc patch 07:08 < CIA-5> rene * r20824 /trunk/package/network/dbus/dbus.desc: * updated dbus (0.95 -> 1.0.0) 07:10 < rxr> lol!: Gates-Player spielt keine Gates-Musik ? Spiegel Online berichtet über das neuste DRM-Chaos aus dem Hause Microsoft: »Der DRM-Irrwitz erreicht einen neuen Höhepunkt: Der neue Microsoft-Musikplayer Zune - angetreten als iPod-Konkurrent - "versteht" keine bei Microsofts MSN gekaufte Musik. 07:10 < rxr> http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/tech/0,1518,446979,00.html 07:11 < _Ragnar_> *roofl* 07:12 < rxr> definetly ... 07:12 * rxr headshake 07:12 < CIA-5> luca * r20825 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: 07:12 < CIA-5> * In the previous commit something went wrong with the diff; 07:12 < CIA-5> * actually configuration fixed by passing a "--without-gd" for 07:12 < CIA-5> * the toolchain and cross stages so that glibc doesn't build the 07:12 < CIA-5> * memusagestats binary that gets linked against host headers and 07:12 < CIA-5> * libraries 07:12 < _Ragnar_> drm industry commiting harakiry on themselves ;P 07:12 < _Ragnar_> kiri* 07:14 < CIA-5> luca * r20826 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: * Fixes another diff problem 07:16 < rxr> argh 07:16 < rxr> hey freaks ... 07:17 < _Ragnar_> ;P 07:18 < rxr> my my - kids 07:19 < _Ragnar_> huh? 07:20 < CIA-5> rene * r20827 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: 07:20 < CIA-5> * reverted r20825 and r20826, the code was fine as it was and converting 07:20 < CIA-5> the elif to else if ; fi does not make it prettier 07:20 < rxr> ^- ... 07:21 < _Ragnar_> oh *lol* 07:22 < rxr> I do nof find it that funny ... :-( 07:24 < CIA-5> rene * r20828 /trunk/target/mini-live-kde/ (7 files): * further cleaned the mini-live-kde skeleton and pkgsel 07:24 < _Ragnar_> dunno ... is luca your kid? o_o 07:25 * _Ragnar_ hugs rxr 07:29 < rxr> nope, just wanted to impress the attitude randomly chaning indentation and moving if's around for the fun of it .-) 07:30 * rxr has no kids ... 07:30 < rxr> (yet) 07:30 < emte> if he did T2 dev would be a lot slower 07:31 < rxr> heh - until then I hope our write acess people grow from the current about 20 to over 100 ... 07:31 < rxr> and thus t2 development sould actually be even more accelerated 07:32 < emte> btw i was wrong 07:32 < rxr> about? 07:32 < emte> sysvinit does actually have it's own sulogin 07:33 < emte> i wonder .. 07:34 < emte> aha! 07:34 < emte> For some known distributions we do not build all programs, otherwise we do. 07:36 < _Ragnar_> ;P 07:55 < emte> you know ... its funny 07:56 < CIA-5> sebastian * r20829 /trunk/package/graphic/makehuman/makehuman.desc: * updated makehuman (0.8 -> 0.9) 07:56 < emte> hmm on second thought ... 08:12 < emte> okay i give up 08:12 < rxr> with what ? 08:12 < emte> i am trying to figure out how to: DISTRO=$target 08:12 < emte> so that DISTRO is set to a usable variable 08:13 < emte> in my case $target happens to be the same as what i want 08:14 < emte> i thought var_append or hook_add might do it 08:14 < emte> but so farthey havent 08:23 < rxr> as in the tinylogin.conf 08:23 < rxr> var_append makeopt ' ' 'DISTRO=whatever' 08:23 < rxr> var_append makeinstopt ' ' 'DISTRO=whatever' 08:23 < rxr> one or both - deending where you need it 08:23 < emte> for sysvinit 08:23 < emte> both those didnt work 08:27 < emte> hmm ... 08:37 < rxr> mtr: any chance to visit linux world expo in cologne the next days ? 08:41 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p83.129.192.196.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 08:52 < rxr> hi sepp_ 08:52 < rxr> sepp: any chance to visit linux world expo in cologne the next days ? 08:53 < _Ragnar_> back 08:55 < sepp_> me? 08:55 < sepp_> i don't know what i should do there 08:55 < sepp_> http://83.129.192.196/mh-0.9.jpg :) 08:59 < rxr> present t2, talk with other OSS people, and so on ... 09:00 < emte> :) 09:03 < sepp_> i would visit it if it would be in berlin, i have no car and cologne and sucking german railway crap ... 09:04 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.42.233.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:04 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 09:06 < CIA-5> susan * r20830 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-speech/gnome-speech.desc: * updated gnome-speech (0.4.5 -> 0.4.6) 09:06 < CIA-5> susan * r20831 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-utils/gnome-utils.desc: * updated gnome-utils (2.16.1 -> 2.16.2) 09:07 < CIA-5> susan * r20832 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-vfs/gnome-vfs.desc: * updated gnome-vfs (2.16.1 -> 2.16.2) 09:07 < CIA-5> susan * r20833 /trunk/package/gnome2/goffice/goffice.desc: * updated goffice (0.2.1 -> 0.2.2) 09:14 < sepp> have to run away to buy new coffee, someone made it all disappear :/ 09:25 < emte> this makes no sense ... 09:26 < emte> i hard coded the variable and it still doesnt work 09:28 < rxr> emte: you mean the file is still there ? 09:28 < rxr> that might be cecause the flists are accumulated 09:28 < rxr> you need to uninstall the pkg in the sandbox if you want to wipe the flist 09:28 < emte> no, i mean that ifeq ($(DISTRO),blah) never gets evaluated in the sysvinit Makefile 09:29 < emte> it always builds ($(DISTRO),) 09:29 < emte> no matter if you even hard code it to soemthing else 09:34 < _Ragnar_> btw rxr: the mixed 64/old 32 system works fine ;) gonna phase out the 32bit stuff when all users have migrated their stuff 09:43 < rxr> _Ragnar_: :-) 09:43 < rxr> _Ragnar_: dare to fill out your entry in http://t2-project.org/peoples.html (--typos)? 09:44 < rxr> I hate gtk+ crap .. 09:44 < rxr> why the g*ll are more often than not file open/save dialogs just hanging in inkscape ... 09:44 < rxr> this is soooooo annoying ... 09:44 < rxr> when this continus this way I'm off to xara extreme sooner than later ... 09:45 < rxr> (when opening and saving files becomes an adventure ...) 09:45 < emte> not had issues myself 09:46 < rxr> me neither in the past ... 09:47 < rxr> but as far as I can see gnome is continusly degrading in terms of stability and performance since gnome 1.4 or so when it was my desktop environment for the last time 09:50 < rxr> lol: "A very beta source tarball is available for download. Please see the fine instructions for the best way to fetch and install the code. You will need perl, and likely a unix-like shell. For a one-click windows installer, please send a self-addressed stamped envelope and a large pile of cash. " <- http://scratchcomputing.com/projects/vectorsection/#download 09:51 < sepp> xara xtreme would be quite nice, but the gtk backend of wx has more bugs than working things 09:53 < rxr> yeah - with gtk in the name this is no suprise ... 09:54 < sepp> and the xara guys do not care, they say - oh it is only gtk-critical error on stderr - go away 09:55 < rxr> heh 09:56 < rxr> xara 09:56 < rxr> #!/bin/sh 09:56 < rxr> xara-bin 2> /dev/null 09:56 < rxr> problem solved :-) 09:58 < rxr> the best thing ever was some Easy Software support guy we mailed about 4-5 years ago about a problem with CUPS and MD5 Unix password 09:58 < rxr> this guy responded "MD5 password crypt? Never seen that - which Unix a-like does use that? Go away ..." 09:59 < emte> he musta been "like sha!" :P 09:59 < emte> sorry bad pun 10:34 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E12B04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 10:46 < rxr> need yet another Linux FS?: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/spadfs/ 10:47 < emte> Uses crash counts instead of journaling ... so it crashes a lot? 10:49 < rxr> he claims it is "anothe way to avoid fsck" by storing some info in a crash-table ... 10:49 < rxr> less complex and error prone than journaling - he claims ... 10:50 < emte> spadfsck so why does he have that command? 10:51 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E12C74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:51 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 10:51 < emte> * Spadfsck incorrectly clears error flags even if 'N' was answered to some question. 10:51 < emte> * If you delete file but keep it open, call sync, and reset, there will be lost blocks. 10:51 < emte> nice bugs 10:52 < rxr> yeah ... 10:53 < rxr> this was just a notification post, I just noticed it thru freshmeat myself ... 10:53 < emte> sounds as bad as rieserfs 10:53 < rxr> not that anyone think I wanna recomment it ... 11:11 -!- pamdirac [n=pamdirac@r-nat-16.interbusiness.it] has joined #t2 11:11 < pamdirac> giorno 11:21 < rxr> moni pamdirac 11:21 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster.png 11:21 < rxr> ^- for linux world expo, comments anyone ? 11:28 [Users #t2] 11:28 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ pamdirac] [ valentin] 11:28 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ zod ] 11:28 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] 11:28 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 11:28 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.106.154] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:37 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster-archs.png 11:39 -!- sherniux [n=sherniux@81-7-79-120.ip.zebra.lt] has joined #t2 11:40 < sherniux> Baldzius 11:40 < Baldzius> ka 11:40 < sherniux> esi 11:40 < Baldzius> no 11:40 < sherniux> nz 11:40 < sherniux> ble 11:41 < sherniux> i na 11:41 < sherniux> kas che ble bazarina? 11:43 < rxr> moin Baldzius 11:43 < rxr> Baldzius: a good time to comment on the posters for the Linux World Expo: 11:43 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster-archs.png 11:43 < rxr> http://people.exactcode.de/~rene/t2-pr-poster.png 11:44 < rxr> printed A0 or A1 sized of course ... 11:44 < rxr> comments just taken in the 20 minutes as I have to hurry printing then ... 11:45 < rxr> no complaints taken thereafter ... 11:46 -!- sherniux [n=sherniux@81-7-79-120.ip.zebra.lt] has quit [] 11:51 < mtr> moin 11:52 < rxr> moin mtr 11:52 < mtr> rxr: nice posters ;-) 11:57 < mtr> rxr: hopefully i will be in cologne at least for one day, wed or thu 12:08 < rxr> would be nice 12:51 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@80.240.210.253] has joined #t2 12:52 < Stelz> re all 13:43 < rxr> re 13:43 < rxr> hi Stelz 13:47 < CIA-5> susan * r20834 /trunk/package/gnome2/at-spi/at-spi.desc: * updated at-spi (1.7.12 -> 1.7.13) 14:35 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.58.130] has joined #t2 17:02 -!- pamdirac [n=pamdirac@r-nat-16.interbusiness.it] has quit ["finding home"] 17:27 [Users #t2] 17:27 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 17:27 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ sepp ] [ zod ] 17:27 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ Stelz] 17:27 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 18:01 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 18:05 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@80.240.210.253] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:08 < misl> hi folks 18:12 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@80.240.210.253] has joined #t2 18:14 [Users #t2] 18:14 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ Stelz ] 18:14 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 18:14 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ sepp] [ zod ] 18:14 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 18:14 < rxr> hi misl and Stelz 18:14 < Stelz> rehi rxr 18:14 < rxr> so - off of office, over 12h workday is enough :-) 18:14 < rxr> cu all 18:15 < rxr> but maybe less frequent as we will be on fairs the next 4 days 19:13 < _Ragnar_> o_o 19:50 < emte> okay now sysvinit is behaving ... 19:50 < _Ragnar_> *g* 19:50 < _Ragnar_> how did you change it? 19:51 < emte> well i changed it 3 ways 19:51 < emte> now i need to narrow it down to one 19:53 < emte> but i am guessing the problem must have been as rxr said ... files laying around from previous build attempts. i was under the impression that scripts/Cleanup -cache and scripts/Cleanup would remove any evils 19:53 < emte> but i guess not 19:53 < emte> scripts/Cleanup -full and rebuilding everything worked 20:00 < _Ragnar_> ok :) 20:06 < emte> now i am trying to decide the best way to handle this 20:07 < _Ragnar_> what is the problem atm? 20:08 < emte> never really written bash shell scripts 20:08 < emte> always prefered csh/tcsh 20:09 < emte> i am hoping this is right by example 20:09 < emte> if [ "$target" == "familiar" ]; then 20:16 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.99.232] has joined #t2 20:22 < _Ragnar_> ah o_o ok 20:25 < emte> hopefully thats gonna work how i expect since i started the build 20:54 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.99.232] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:07 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@80.240.210.253] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 22:07 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@80.240.210.253] has joined #t2 22:47 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:58 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.99.32] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Tue Nov 14 00:00:30 2006