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00:52 < CIA-5> ragnar * r20688 /trunk/package/e17/ecore/ecore.conf: * ecore: crude fix to get it to actually link to libdirectfb which it detects fine during configure but ignores later ;P
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08:43 < sepp> do you have to do some magic to let cups find a parallel printer?
09:10 < emte> sometimes
09:10 < emte> mainly your bios needs to have the parallel transport set properly i belive
09:14 < sepp> well, i give up, i can send a pcl file to the printer - who knows what is wrong with cups
09:16 < sepp> btw r20688 breaks ecore if you have no directfb ...
09:18 < sepp> have to run away ...
09:22 < emte> lol
09:24 < _Ragnar_> ouch o_O sorry
09:25 < rxr> moin
09:33 < _Ragnar_> hi rene
09:33 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
09:34 < CIA-5> rene * r20689 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/parse-config-9: * fixed dietlibc to build gawk in it's latest version
09:35 < CIA-5> rene * r20690 /trunk/package/shells/bash/bash.desc: * updated bash (3.2-1 -> 3.2-3)
09:36 * Stelz is back (gone 08:58:35)
09:36 < Stelz> re all
09:36 < Stelz> abiword 2.4.6 released
09:40 < CIA-5> rene * r20692 /trunk/package/perl/perl-xml-simple/perl-xml-simple.desc: * updated perl-xml-simple (2.14 -> 2.16)
09:40 < CIA-5> rene * r20691 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/ (diethome.patch dietlibc.conf):
09:40 < CIA-5> * fixed dynamic dietlibc binaries by improving the diet wrapper
09:40 < CIA-5> to not embed the sysroot while cross-compiling
09:40 < CIA-5> rene * r20693 /trunk/package/perl/perl-compress-zlib/perl-compress-zlib.desc: * updated perl-compress-zlib (1.42 -> 2.001)
09:41 < rxr> Stelz: do you update abiword ?
09:41 < rxr> moin Stelz
09:41 < Stelz> rxr: recompiling my current box, i can in the evening
09:41 < Stelz> ok?
09:46 < rxr> sure
09:46 < Stelz> fine
10:24 < CIA-5> rene * r20694 /trunk/package/kde/kaffeine/kaffeine.desc: * updated kaffeine (0.8.1 -> 0.8.2)
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10:41 < CIA-5> rene * r20695 /trunk/package/base/inotify-tools/inotify-tools.desc: * updated inotify-tools (3.2 -> 3.3)
10:42 < CIA-5> rene * r20696 /trunk/target/t2rtbt/ (config.in pkgsel):
10:42 < CIA-5> * added readline to the t2rtbt target and tweaked the package
10:42 < CIA-5> selection to enable every package in the 1st stage (as we
10:42 < CIA-5> cross build everything)
10:48 < Stelz> rxr: ! thanks! i've tested your patch for linux26. works fine totally
10:48 < Stelz> any ideah how i could change the version from $root/$prefix/include/linux/version.h ?
10:49 < Stelz> sedit "s:-dist::" $root/$prefix/include/linux/version.h
10:49 < Stelz> doesnt work
10:49 < Stelz> but why?
10:56 < rxr> re
10:56 < rxr> did you use "sed -i" ?
10:57 < rxr> however in theory my code chunk should work for linux-header as well
10:58 < Stelz> 12:51'35 | rxr> did you use "sed -i" ? <- no
10:58 < Stelz> hm.. rxr
10:58 < Stelz> but it doesnt
10:58 < Stelz> cause in linux-header build no "make" process
10:58 < Stelz> the files are copied to some dir
10:59 < Stelz> and thats all..
11:09 < rxr> you can substitute after install
11:09 < rxr> hook_add 5 postmake "sed -i ..."
11:10 < Stelz> hm.. ok
11:10 < Stelz> lets try
11:21 < mtr> moin
11:22 < rxr> moin mtr
11:22 < Stelz> hi mtr
11:24 < mtr> hi rxr, Stelz ;-)
11:33 < Stelz> bluefish 1.0.7 released
11:34 < Stelz> ok - cu - off to have dinner :)
11:36 < rxr> Stelz: update&&commit :-)
11:36 < rxr> cu Stelz
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12:59 < sepp> hello :)
13:00 < rxr> hi sepp
13:00 < sepp> hi rxr
13:02 < Stelz> re
13:02 < Stelz> hello sepp
13:02 < Stelz> rxr: does stone use mine?
13:02 < sepp> hi Stelz
13:03 < rxr> Stelz: nope, only for the install more software point
13:03 < rxr> that can easily be altered
13:03 < Stelz> fine
13:04 < Stelz> so i don't need mine if i'll build our own pkg-sys?
13:04 < Stelz> but stone is still needed?
13:04 < rxr> when you write your mine repleacement to not use mine, yes
13:04 < sepp> better not :)
13:04 < rxr> sepp: better not stone or mine or both ?
13:05 < rxr> Stelz: we want a next-gen stone as well
13:05 < sepp> better not mine
13:05 < rxr> sepp: yeah, ack
13:05 < Stelz> 14:59'53 | rxr> Stelz: we want a next-gen stone as well <- what does "want" mean?
13:05 < Stelz> i mean
13:06 < Stelz> waht is next-gen-stone?
13:06 < Stelz> *what
13:10 < rxr> some stone sucessor
13:10 < rxr> something that can be better written (e.g. Lua instaed of Shell code9
13:10 < rxr> )
13:11 < rxr> and scales better including better graphical frontend as well as a web frontend
13:11 < Stelz> rxr: no any alphas?
13:11 < Stelz> it'll be in the future?
13:11 < rxr> no code written yet
13:12 < Stelz> i c
13:12 < Stelz> like for our pkg-sys except some line on my machine :-)
13:12 < Stelz> ok - let's continue devel'ing it :-)
13:12 < rxr> yes
13:13 < rxr> lol
13:13 < rxr> Unknown thread crashed with unknown flavor: 1
13:13 < rxr> state_count: 16
13:13 < rxr> ^- Mac OS X can not even tell me what thread crahsed ?
13:13 < rxr> damn pseudo wanna be os ..
13:13 < Stelz> lol
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13:14 < Stelz> rxr: any difference for Create-ErrLis [-remove] and [-delete] ?
13:14 < Stelz> *List
13:14 < rxr> remote just removes the error log
13:14 < rxr> the files stay there
13:14 < rxr> -delete completely removes it
13:14 < rxr> or the other way round
13:14 < rxr> I always found the naming confusing
13:14 < Stelz> -delete completely removes all package-files?
13:14 < rxr> also the help text should properly document that
13:14 < Stelz> hm
13:15 < rxr> Create-ErrList currently uses mine anyway
13:15 < Stelz> ah :(
13:15 < rxr> that should be fised
13:15 < Stelz> rxr: only Create-ErrList uses mine?
13:15 < rxr> I hope so
13:15 < rxr> grep can reveal it for you :-)
13:15 < Stelz> :)
13:15 < Stelz> i c
13:16 < Stelz> how i could remove binary bziped package?
13:16 < Stelz> by hand?
13:16 < rxr> what exactly do you want to remove ?
13:16 < Stelz> /TOOLCHAIN/pkgs/mine-0.23.tar.bz2
13:17 < rxr> I think that might not be removed by Create-ErrList in any ase
13:20 < Stelz> rxr: what is a minimal-list for the fully-functional X-server ?
13:20 < Stelz> i mean where i could find it
13:20 < rxr> Stelz: with modualr X the list is quite long
13:20 < Stelz> i know
13:20 < rxr> I suggest you base on the generic minimal-xorg template
13:20 < Stelz> hmm.. ok
13:20 < rxr> look in the desktop target pkgsel to take a look how to do that
13:20 < rxr> basically include target/generic/pkgsel/...
13:21 < Stelz> yup
13:22 < Stelz> rxr: any command to remove useless sources?
13:24 < rxr> sources ?
13:24 < Stelz> yeah
13:24 < rxr> what sources ?
13:25 < Stelz> /wownload/mirror/*/*
13:25 < Stelz> /download/mirror/*/*
13:25 < Stelz> for example i have "O dietlibc"
13:25 < Stelz> but there is a source-package for it in /download/mirror/d
13:26 < Stelz> and i want to remove all sources that i don't need
13:26 < Stelz> any cmd for that?:)
13:27 < rxr> ./scripts/Cleanup -downloa
13:27 < rxr> -download even
13:27 < rxr> but that will only remove what is oudated, e.g. no in the t2 source anymore
13:27 < rxr> not packages you deselected
13:27 < Stelz> :\
13:28 < Stelz> uhm.. now i c.. we really need a new pkg-sys
13:28 < Stelz> that's why..
13:28 < Stelz> wtf
13:28 < Stelz> -> $root/var/adm/logs/5-python.out -> 5-python.err
13:28 < Stelz> == 11/06/06 15:23:25 =[5]=> Aborted building package python.
13:40 < Stelz> ./Modules/gdbmmodule.c:12:18: error: gdbm.h: No such file or directory
13:41 < sepp> enable gdbm
13:43 < Stelz> sepp: i don't need it
13:43 < Stelz> like dietlibc
13:43 < rxr> maybe python wants it
13:43 < Stelz> nopey
13:44 < rxr> or of optional in python - hack the python package to disable that feature if not avail
13:44 < Stelz> cause i don't have gdbm on my current box
13:44 < Stelz> k
13:48 < Stelz> ah rxr
13:48 < Stelz> i found the problem
13:49 < Stelz> rxr: http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/python/python/python-setup.patch <- look
13:50 < Stelz> how i could fix it? we should add any modules only if some packages needed for them are selected
13:54 < rxr> yes, can you fix that ?
13:56 < Stelz> i think.. no, how i could check in this file if some package is selecteD?
13:58 < Stelz> or better.. "installed", not "selected"
13:59 < rxr> pkginstalled gdbm
13:59 < rxr> in this file you can not check it
13:59 < rxr> it is a static patch applied
13:59 < rxr> in python.conf
13:59 < rxr> you can use pkginstalled gdbm
14:00 < Stelz> but rxr ! this patch file isn't only for gdbm!
14:01 < rxr> I know
14:01 < rxr> two different strategies come to my mind:
14:01 < rxr> use the patch as it is
14:02 < rxr> and add code that if gdbm is not installed uses sed or so to modify the patched python setup file
14:02 < rxr> or remove the gdmb chunk of this patch and always use sed to tinker with the setup file dynamically ...
14:03 < Stelz> ok rxr. i'll think about it
14:04 < Stelz> where i could find more info about functions like "pkginstalled" ?
14:13 < rxr> if not in our handbook in the Documentstion/ folder of oyur checkoug
14:18 < Stelz> ok
14:18 < Stelz> rxr: please look
14:18 < Stelz> is this code correct
14:18 < Stelz> if [ pkginstalled gdbm ]; then
14:18 < Stelz> sed -i "s:#gdbm gdbmmodule.c -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib:gdbm gdbmmodule.c -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib:" Modules/Setup.dist
14:18 < Stelz> fi
14:21 < rxr> nope
14:21 < rxr> without the braces
14:21 < rxr> just:
14:21 < rxr> if pkginstalled gdbm; then
14:21 < rxr> # your code
14:21 < rxr> fi
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14:22 < Stelz> thanks
14:23 < Stelz> but rxr, i think braces are not err..
14:24 < Stelz> and without them code just becomes more simple
14:24 < Stelz> :-)
14:25 < rxr> they are an error
14:25 < Stelz> really? hm.
14:26 < rxr> [] is the short form for test ...
14:26 < rxr> and test does not cake bash functions as arguments
14:26 < Stelz> ah..
14:26 < rxr> just the -z, -f, ... -a, -o, ...
14:32 < Stelz> rxr: waht i must use for "!" ?
14:33 < Stelz> if !pkginstalled gdbm; then
14:33 < Stelz> ?
14:35 < rxr> yes
14:37 < rxr> hey cool
14:37 < Stelz> hm rxr
14:38 < rxr> successfully scannde with a Univesal binary version of our Mac driver for the first time ...
14:38 < Stelz> /TOOLCHAIN/package/python/python/python.conf: line 28: !pkginstalled: command not found
14:38 < rxr> maybe drop a empty space between the ! and the function
14:38 < rxr> I do not know every pick shell parser detail off-head either
14:43 < Stelz> rxr: this script doesnt work :(
14:44 < rxr> what script ?
14:44 < rxr> your mod ?
14:44 < rxr> mod == modification
14:44 < rxr> ok - let me boot back into the lovely Linux word and give it a look
14:46 < Stelz> rxr: just dunno why sed doesnt work
14:55 < rxr> try it manually on the file ...
15:20 < CIA-5> rene * r20697 /trunk/scripts/Create-ErrList:
15:20 < CIA-5> * "improved" Create-ErrList to not require mine for uninstallation
15:20 < CIA-5> (use a custom shell function for that)
15:21 < Stelz> thank you rxr ! :-)
15:22 < CIA-5> rene * r20698 /trunk/package/python/python/python.conf: * cleaned spacing and indentation of python.conf
15:24 < rxr> Stelz: I test a python no gdbm patch rigth now
15:26 < Stelz> fine rxr. i want to fix it for every pkg-module
15:26 < Stelz> working on it right now
15:27 < rxr> hm - just uncommenting the line in the setup thing might not be enough
15:27 < rxr> it still builds it
15:27 < rxr> guess you have to track more intensively how to teach python not to build it
15:28 < Stelz> yup
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17:23 < Stelz> hehe rxr
17:23 < Stelz> finally!
17:23 < Stelz> fixed that fat cow called python :-)
17:26 < sepp> do you need python? :P
17:27 < Stelz> sepp: i need blender :-)
17:27 < Stelz> and i need fbnews
17:27 < Stelz> fbnews uses python :)
17:28 < sepp> hehe
17:28 < LMJ> huuhu
17:28 < Stelz> moin moin LMJ
17:28 < CIA-5> vlad * r20699 /trunk/package/python/python/ (python-setup.patch python.conf): * fixed python (python.conf automatically detects gdbm, readline, openssl, zlib and builds these modules if they are found)
17:28 < LMJ> moin moin
17:29 < Stelz> thats nice :-)
17:29 < sepp> :)
17:29 < sepp> hi LMJ
17:29 < LMJ> how was the rapport sepp ? ;)
17:32 < sepp> have to "rapport" in 30 minutes
17:33 < rxr> re
17:34 < Stelz> rxr: rehi, python totally fixed :)
17:34 < sepp> have to run away again ... cu
17:34 < rxr> cu sepp
17:34 < Stelz> cu sepp
17:34 < Stelz> :-)
17:34 < LMJ> cu sepp
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17:59 < LMJ> rxr, do you know what i have this on my netstation PC during the boot : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/lipKZY23.html
18:35 < rxr> LMJ: ah - yeah that is due the new bash
18:36 < rxr> LMJ: this was fixed just some days ago
18:38 < rxr> you need a new /etc/profile
18:38 < rxr> rebuilding the sysfiles pacakges should solve that
18:39 < rxr> or manually cp package/base/sysfiles/etc_profile.txt /etc/profile should solve it as well
18:41 < Stelz> rxr: i looked at *BSD
18:41 < Stelz> and seems to be u r right
18:41 < Stelz> OpenBSD is better for us
18:42 < rxr> for me Minix is most interesting
18:42 < rxr> i'll add Minix v3 support in my next free rainy weekend day ...
18:43 < Stelz> fine! it'll be a template for me to try to add openbsd support
18:43 < Stelz> :-)
18:43 < Stelz> or just test it..
18:43 < Stelz> hehehe
18:43 < Stelz> MINIX
18:43 < Stelz> License: BSD license
18:43 < Stelz> :-)
18:45 < rxr> yep
18:45 < Stelz> thats good, rxr: http://www.minix3.org/software/
18:46 < Stelz> hehe.. it supports xorg.. nice
18:51 < Stelz> haha rxr
18:51 < Stelz> never heard before that openbsd is a fork of netbsd..
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19:21 < misl> hi folks
19:22 < rxr> hi misl
19:22 < misl> hi rxr
19:23 < Stelz> hi misl
19:23 < misl> hi Stelz
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19:51 < LMJ> VERY good mister rené ;) you fixed my problem
20:00 < LMJ> ping rxr ?
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20:16 < LMJ> humm, got an amule problem : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/GpF2Hf43.html
20:40 < LMJ> another problem from trunk : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7SSgfn95.html
20:43 < sepp> as written at the bottom, it needs cairomm
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20:57 < LMJ> should be compiled
21:01 < LMJ> subversion from trunk : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/vdfeZW30.html
21:02 < sepp> "APR-UTIL wasn't linked against Berkeley DB 4"
21:02 < sepp> bdb 4 ...
21:04 < LMJ> i have to compile bdb4 and apr-util
21:16 < _Ragnar_> rxr:
21:16 < _Ragnar_> Scheduling package 'libxslt' for rebuild ...
21:16 < _Ragnar_> rm: cannot remove `usr/include/libexslt': Is a directory
21:16 < _Ragnar_> rm: cannot remove `usr/include/libxslt': Is a directory
21:16 < _Ragnar_> rm: cannot remove `usr/lib64/lib': Is a directory
21:16 < _Ragnar_> ANNOY :P
21:28 < CIA-5> mtr * r20700 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
21:28 < CIA-5> * xorg/libxcd has build-time dep on libxslt:
21:28 < CIA-5> * changed libxslt build priority (128.850 -> 112.350)
21:28 < CIA-5> * changed libgcrypt build priority (118.200 -> 112.340)
21:28 < CIA-5> * changed libgpg-error build priority (118.100 -> 112.330)
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21:41 < CIA-5> mtr * r20702 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/fix_termios_maxbaudrate.patch: * patched uClibc to allow cfsetspeed baudrates above 115k
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22:10 < vipernicus|work> hello
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22:11 < Stelz> hi vipernicus|work
22:14 < vipernicus|work> just reading over the t2-project.org site
22:14 < vipernicus|work> not very familiar with it
22:15 < vipernicus|work> once a user has his custom t2 install loaded, how does he update?
22:15 < vipernicus|work> i'm used to Gentoo's emerge --sync && emerge -pvuD world
22:16 < vipernicus|work> is there something similar to this with t2 ?
22:16 < vipernicus|work> or have i misunderstood the project's goal?
22:18 < CIA-5> mtr * r20703 /trunk/package/python/sip/sip.desc: * updated sip (4.4.5-20061008 -> 4.5)
22:18 < CIA-5> mtr * r20704 /trunk/package/python/pyqt/pyqt.desc: * updated pyqt (3.16-20061006 -> 3.17)
22:19 < sepp> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg can do such things
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22:26 < vipernicus|work> sepp, what about UpdateSystem?
22:27 < vipernicus|work> Update-System*
22:27 < sepp> Emerge-Pkg -system
22:28 < vipernicus|work> sepp, what is the usage of the ./scripts/Update-System script?
22:28 < sepp> 6.0 ?
22:29 < sepp> or 6.0.1 ...
22:29 < vipernicus|work> hmm, it's in the handbook, but not in the scripts dir
22:29 < sepp> the handbook is a bit outdated
22:30 < sepp> it was 'Update-System' some time ago
22:31 < vipernicus|work> is there any new documentation on the Emerge-Pkg script?
22:32 < sepp> without arguments it prints out basic help
22:34 < vipernicus|work> so i have to actually start using it before i can learn it?
22:35 < sepp> you can ask here :)
22:35 < vipernicus|work> sorry bad rhetorical question
22:35 < vipernicus|work> because the answer is "yes" either way
22:36 < sepp> ,-)
22:36 < vipernicus|work> i'm looking at t2, because i'm looking for a source based package management that isn't as bloated as Gentoo
22:37 < sepp> i never used gentoo so i can not compare
22:41 < vipernicus|work> is there PIE/SSP support?
22:42 < sepp> there is ssp - pie support is experimental and not fully working
22:43 < vipernicus|work> who is heading the development on the hardening portion?
22:44 < sepp> i don't know if someone was working on real PIE support lately
22:46 < sepp> but if you want to fix it, send patches :)
22:47 < vipernicus|work> are there archived mailing lists related to PIE/SSP ?
22:48 < sepp> there is http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel
22:51 < vipernicus|work> thank you
22:51 < sepp> iirc e.g. glibc did not like PIE and maybe some other things
22:52 < vipernicus|work> how long ago was this?
22:53 < sepp> uhmm
22:53 < sepp> some months
22:57 < sepp> guess it would need a NO-PIE flag and some real review
22:59 < vipernicus|work> how long have you been using t2?
22:59 < sepp> like the already existing 'NO-SSP' flag ...
22:59 < sepp> 1.5 years or so
23:01 < sepp> feel free to send a mail to the ml to ask about pie or anything else, maybe someone else has a plan/clue about it
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23:13 < vipernicus|work> there is a -nopie flag
23:15 < sepp> i mean for the package .desc, like http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/x86/grub/grub.desc <- [F] DIETLIBC NO-SSP ...
23:16 < vipernicus|work> oh i see what you're saying
23:17 < sepp> you can add it to package/base/gcc/parse-config
23:17 < sepp> if you want to try to fix the PIE thing ,-)
23:18 < vipernicus|work> i have a life, but i now have a mission for the next time i get completely bored
23:18 < sepp> :)
23:19 < sepp> just wanted to give some pointers
23:19 < vipernicus|work> appreciate it
23:19 < vipernicus|work> how do you go about doing security updates on your T2 machines?
23:20 < sepp> Emerge-Pkg the new version
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