T2 IRC Log: 2006-10-08
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--- Log opened Sun Oct 08 00:00:39 2006
00:00 < Stelz> sepp: what is '-lm' ?
00:01 < Stelz> i compiled my small program fine with this option :)
00:01 < sepp> Stelz: gcc -lm squared.c -o squared
00:01 < Stelz> yeah
00:01 < Stelz> but what is it?
00:01 < sepp> the math lib
00:01 < Stelz> hm?
00:02 < Stelz> i included math lib by typing #iclude
00:02 < Stelz> why i need -lm ?
00:02 < sepp> to link the "libmath" into it
00:03 < Stelz> hm
00:03 < Stelz> but how i'll know when i'll need the other libs?
00:03 < Stelz> -lX
00:04 < Stelz> where "X" is...
00:07 < Stelz> and sepp.. is there any other way to compile program without that "linkage" ?
00:08 < Stelz> my friend just compiled it without "-lm"
00:13 < Stelz> anyway, thanks for help :)
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01:20 < Stelz> rxr: ping
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08:49 < misl> hi folks
08:50 < Stelz> hi misl
08:50 < Stelz> :)
08:50 < misl> hi Stelz
08:50 < Stelz> misl: do u have
08:50 < Stelz> svn-write-access? :)
08:50 < misl> yes
08:50 < Stelz> nice. do u want to update some useful tools?
08:50 < Stelz> :)
08:51 < Stelz> ncurses to 5.5 and autoconf to 2.60 :)
08:51 < misl> do you have the patches?
08:52 < Stelz> no.. i just have information about these updates.. cause i'm building my T2-box right now and comparing its packages with installed on my current linuxbox
08:54 < misl> Stelz: I am not too sure about updating autoconf it might have a to big impact on the toolchain. I leave these kind of update mostly to rxr.
08:54 < Stelz> ok :)
08:55 < Stelz> == 10/08/06 10:45:41 =[1]=> Finished building package coreutils.
08:55 < Stelz> uhm..
08:56 < misl> Stelz: You can update them yourself. And do the build. When it works fine you can send the patch to the mailing list. :)
08:56 < Stelz> i know :)
08:56 < Stelz> but right now i just want to build T2-minimal-with-xorg
08:56 < Stelz> and then
08:56 < Stelz> if all 'll go fine
08:57 < Stelz> i'll remve packages that i don't need
08:57 < Stelz> add some useful stuff
08:57 < Stelz> and i'll try to rebuild the target
08:57 < Stelz> and theeeeeeeen.. i'll submit a lot of patches :)
08:57 < Stelz> i hope so
08:57 < misl> :)
08:57 < Stelz> remve -> remove :)
09:01 < misl> Stelz: I tried updating ncurses but it is not straight forward. I failed due to existing patches. Unfortunately I have not the time to investigate. :(
09:01 < Stelz> okok.. don worry
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11:23 < rxr> moin
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11:36 [Users #t2]
11:36 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9] [ LMJ ] [ mtr] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
11:36 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ misl] [ rxr] [ th ]
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11:37 < rxr> Stelz: I check out autoconf and ncurses updates
11:37 < Stelz> rehi rxr :)
11:37 < Stelz> ranlib: .libs/libgcj.a: No space left on device
11:37 < Stelz> make[3]: *** [libgcj.la] Error 1
11:37 < Stelz> lol
11:37 < Stelz> == 10/08/06 13:23:00 =[2]=> Aborted building package gcc.
11:42 < Stelz> rxr: i found some bug in linux-header
11:42 < Stelz> asm/ can't be copied during the: no such file or directory
12:00 < rxr> hm
12:00 < rxr> maybe that is new due to jsaw's latest change on it
12:00 < rxr> 11:37 < Stelz> ranlib: .libs/libgcj.a: No space left on device
12:00 < rxr> ^- hard disk full ! :-)
12:01 < Stelz> :)
12:01 < Stelz> i know.. cleaned up
12:01 < Stelz> ;)
12:01 < Stelz> and recompiling gcc right now
12:01 < Stelz> rxr: all is ok, except linux-header and strace
12:01 < rxr> strace ?
12:01 < Stelz> yup
12:02 < Stelz> i fixed .conf file of linux-header
12:02 < Stelz> just renamed asm/* to asm-i386/*
12:02 < Stelz> and all went fine
12:02 < rxr> no that is not correct
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12:03 < rxr> it will not work on any other architecture ,-)
12:03 < Stelz> why?
12:03 < rxr> like ppc, mips, arm just to name a few :-)
12:03 < Stelz> uhm.. rxr. but there is NO asm/ dir !
12:04 < Stelz> wait a sec
12:04 < Stelz> rxr: look at the 66th line
12:04 < Stelz> linux-header.conf
12:04 < Stelz> and then look into the tar.bz2 archive
12:05 < Stelz> there is no /include/asm/ dir
12:05 < Stelz> only asm-*
12:07 < CIA-9> susan * r20072 /trunk/package/gnome2/atk/atk.desc: * updated atk (1.12.2 -> 1.12.3)
12:08 < CIA-9> susan * r20073 /trunk/package/gnome2/alacarte/alacarte.desc: * updated alacarte (0.10 -> 0.10.1)
12:13 < CIA-9> rene * r20074 /trunk/package/archiver/upx/ (upx.conf upx.desc): * updated upx (1.25 -> 2.02)
12:13 < CIA-9> rene * r20075 /trunk/package/network/vblade/vblade.desc: * updated vblade (11 -> 13)
12:13 < Stelz> rxr: or i missed smthng?
12:13 < Stelz> :|
12:14 < CIA-9> rene * r20076 /trunk/package/scientific/octave/octave.desc: * updated octave (2.9.8 -> 2.9.9)
12:14 < rxr> inside the linux source ?
12:14 < rxr> include/asm is created as symlink to the right directory when linux is beeing built
12:14 < Stelz> yeah
12:15 < Stelz> rxr: but.. there is no such file/dir
12:15 < Stelz> nothing were created
12:15 < CIA-9> rene * r20077 /trunk/package/emulators/bochs/ (bochs.desc gcc41.patch): * updated bochs (2.2.6 -> 2.3)
12:15 < rxr> in the past it was - I think it is related to jsaw's change to our linux configuratoin procedure just some days ago
12:16 < rxr> I take a look when my morning updates got thru
12:16 < Stelz> ok
12:16 < CIA-9> rene * r20078 /trunk/package/graphic/dcraw/dcraw.desc: * updated dcraw (8.39 -> 8.40)
12:17 < CIA-9> rene * r20079 /trunk/package/security/aircrack-ng/aircrack-ng.desc: * updated aircrack-ng (0.6.1 -> 0.6.2)
12:18 < CIA-9> rene * r20080 /trunk/package/develop/motor/ (gcc34.patch motor.desc no-deprecated.patch): * updated motor (3.3.0 -> 3.4.0)
12:18 < CIA-9> rene * r20081 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnokii/gnokii.desc: * updated gnokii (0.6.13 -> 0.6.14)
12:19 < CIA-9> rene * r20082 /trunk/package/contrib/vidix/vidix.desc: * updated vidix (0.9.9.1 -> 0.9.9.2)
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12:23 < Stelz> and of course we need to remove mine as soon as possible..
12:25 < rxr> of course
12:31 < CIA-9> rene * r20083 /trunk/package/network/gq/gq.desc: * updated gq (1.1.2 -> 1.2.0)
12:31 < rxr> it will take some hours until the autoconf and ncurses update will hit trunk because I'll gonna go test them in the reference builder first
12:32 < Stelz> of course
12:32 < Stelz> especially autoconf
12:32 < Stelz> it's a new version since 2003
12:32 < Stelz> and we need it to be tested perfectly :)
12:34 < Stelz> mm.. rxr.. maybe u know.. where i could rename headers/kernel version.. from 2.6.12-dist to 2.6.12 and from 2.6.18-dist to 2.6.18? :D 2.6.12 is displayed during the execution of /lib/ld-2.5.so :)
12:35 < Stelz> err. libc-2.3.6.so
12:39 < rxr> you mean you do not want to have this -dist naming part that your t2 kernel have ?
12:40 < Stelz> yeah
12:40 < Stelz> kernel and headers
12:41 < rxr> the -dist tag is added in t2:package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in
12:41 < rxr> echo "Redefining VERSION ..."
12:41 < rxr> lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion}-dist"
12:41 < rxr> you can alter that in your own target if you like or just edit the line
12:42 < Stelz> lol
12:42 < rxr> the -dist that is to distinguish it from selfbuild vanilla kernels
12:42 < Stelz> yeah..
12:42 < rxr> noone ever asked about it so far
12:42 < Stelz> rxr: how i could make my own patches like this?
12:42 < rxr> btw. the autoconf version is not from 2003, it is new of summer 2006
12:42 < Stelz> rxr: 2.60
12:42 < rxr> create your own target iun target/
12:43 < rxr> in target/
12:43 < Stelz> but 2.59 is from 2003
12:43 < rxr> look for the existing ones as example
12:43 < rxr> ah ok - I thought you ment that comment ironic :-)
12:43 < Stelz> :)
12:43 < rxr> you can alter each package by either supplying a patch to the source as target/stelz/pkg_mplayer.patch
12:44 < rxr> or alter script variables and the like in target/stelz/pkg_mplayer_{pre,post}.conf
12:44 < Stelz> mm...nice
12:44 < rxr> look at what other targets such as desktop and archivista are doing for example
12:44 < rxr> that way you keep your custom stuff in a for you can backup, version and publish and still the t2 packages are vanillaly clean
12:45 < Stelz> uhm
12:45 < rxr> in a form you can backup
12:45 < Stelz> and what about configure "--flags" ?
12:45 < Stelz> by this way too?
12:45 < Stelz> for example
12:45 < Stelz> pkg_php.conf
12:45 < Stelz> yup?
12:46 < rxr> yes
12:46 < Stelz> niiice
12:46 < Stelz> and so i need.. to remove that "-dist"..
12:46 < Stelz> target/stelz/pkg_linux24.conf
12:47 < rxr> yeah - that is a more advanced task indeed
12:47 < Stelz> and in this file..
12:47 < rxr> for a start you can indeed addd a pkg_linux-header_post.conf and pkg_linux26_post.conf
12:47 < Stelz> lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion}
12:47 < Stelz> lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion}"
12:47 < Stelz> ah
12:48 < rxr> in that file this should do:
12:48 < rxr> lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion}-dist"
12:48 < rxr> lx_injectextraversion
12:48 < rxr> sorry
12:49 < rxr> hook_add postconf 5 'lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion/-dist/}; lx_injectextraversion"
12:49 < rxr> but untested would need a test try :-)
12:49 < Stelz> only one string?
12:49 < Stelz> hook_add postconf 5 'lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion/-dist/}; lx_injectextraversion" <- this?
12:52 < Stelz> seems to be no..
12:55 < Stelz> rxr: so i need only the last string (hook_add) ?
12:59 < rxr> yes the hook_add
13:04 < Stelz> thanks, i'll try
13:14 < rxr> you are welcome
13:14 < rxr> Stelz: I think this shoudl fix linux-her:
13:14 < rxr> linux-header:
13:14 < rxr> @@ -24,6 +23,7 @@
13:14 < rxr> main_lx_header() {
13:14 < rxr> lx_patch
13:14 < rxr> + lx_config
13:15 < rxr> I test and commit if successful
13:19 < Stelz> rxr: i' compiling gcc right now :)
13:19 < Stelz> *i'm
13:19 < Stelz> building the target..
13:26 < rxr> Lua enters Tiobe top 50
13:26 < rxr> http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2006-10/msg00157.html
13:26 < rxr> http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index
13:26 < Stelz> hehe.. nice
13:27 < Stelz> i'm learing lua... but very slow.. cause a lot of C/C++ in my Uni :)
13:32 < Stelz> == 10/08/06 15:23:08 =[3]=> Finished building package autoconf.
13:32 < Stelz> == 15:23:11 =[3]=> Building base/automake [1.9.6 7.0].
13:32 < Stelz> :)
13:34 < rxr> == 12:51:50 =[9]=> Building base/ncurses [5.5 7.0-trunk].
13:34 < rxr> == 10/08/06 13:05:42 =[9]=> Finished building package ncurses.
13:34 < Stelz> hehe :P
13:36 < CIA-9> rene * r20084 /trunk/package/base/linux-header/ (linux-header.conf linux-header.desc):
13:36 < CIA-9> * fixed linux-header to build include/asm before trying to install it
13:36 < CIA-9> (regression do the latest linux patch/config control flow change)
13:37 < Stelz> *> File not found: download/mirror/b/bin86-0.16.17.tar.bz2
13:37 < Stelz> lol
13:38 < Stelz> dunno.. why it wasn't downloaded
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13:40 < rxr> hi idealm
13:41 < Stelz> hm.. rxr.. so i still need that -dist-removal-patch?
13:41 < idealm> hi rxr
13:41 < Stelz> hello idealm ;)
13:41 < idealm> Nice to meet you, Stelz :)
13:41 < Stelz> :P
13:44 < rxr> heh: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/photos/pdp8e.jpg
13:45 < CIA-9> rene * r20085 /trunk/package/emulators/simh/simh.desc: * updated simh (33-1 -> 36-1)
13:50 < Stelz> ah.. rxr.. u were talking about fixing some troubles with asm-dir ;)
13:51 < Stelz> thought that sentence was about -dist :)
13:52 < Stelz> == 10/08/06 15:43:02 =[3]=> Finished building package ncurses.
13:53 < Stelz> hm.. is there any way ( script ) to remove automatically old sources of packages?..
13:53 < rxr> old tarballs ?
13:54 < Stelz> yeah
13:54 < Stelz> when i'll upgrade to ncurses 5.5
13:54 < rxr> ./scripts/Download -list-unknoqn | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | xargs rm -v
13:54 < Stelz> for example :)
13:54 < rxr> -list-unknown
13:54 < rxr> if you mean the sources in download/...
13:54 < Stelz> yeah
13:55 < Stelz> no easier script to remember? :)
13:56 < rxr> we could add it to the Claanup scritp
13:56 < rxr> Cleanup
13:56 < Stelz> it 'll be very good :)
13:56 < rxr> oh it is
13:56 < Stelz> to cleanup unused/old sources
13:56 < rxr> http://golem.de/0610/48239.html
13:57 < rxr> err
13:57 < rxr> ./scripts/Cleanup -download
13:57 < rxr> good that I do not visit p0rn sites :-)
13:57 < rxr> heh - even implemented by me:
13:57 < Stelz> ./scripts/Cleanup -download <- but it cleanups all download section..
13:57 < rxr> 8272 rene # Cleanup download/* and quit
13:57 < rxr> 8272 rene #
13:58 < rxr> Stelz: I thougt that is what you wanted, cleanup of outdated source tarballs ...
13:58 < rxr> Stelz: what did you wanted to cleanup ?
13:58 < Stelz> uhm.. it cleanups only outdated?
13:58 < Stelz> not all?
13:59 < rxr> it is Cleanup, not "rm" :-)
13:59 < Stelz> :)))
13:59 < Stelz> true
13:59 < rxr> it only removes what is unkown to the system
13:59 < Stelz> yup
14:05 < rxr> ok - /we take lunch - cu
14:33 < Stelz> cu
16:19 < rxr> re
16:19 < Stelz> rehi rxr
16:24 < rxr> hi Stelz
16:24 < Stelz> uhm
16:24 < Stelz> going to update autoconf? :D
16:24 < Stelz> and i'm still building current target..
16:24 < Stelz> a lot of useless packages in minimal-with-xorg..
16:26 < rxr> just drop notes what you find could further be stripped from the target
16:26 < rxr> in IRC or thelist
16:26 < Stelz> ofcourse rxr
16:27 < Stelz> but the fist i remember.. is gdb..
16:32 < Stelz> *first
16:32 < Stelz> i think it's not for minimal target ;)
16:41 < rxr> heh
16:41 < rxr> ok - well the minimal is suppost to be an minimal enviroment usable to build and debug t2
16:41 < rxr> that is why gdb and subversion are in it
16:41 < rxr> cdrtools also to be able to burn resulting T2 iso onto media
16:42 < Stelz> ok.. i'll make a list
16:42 < Stelz> for packages i want to be removed ;)
16:42 < Stelz> oh noez.. :|
16:42 < Stelz> tar: linux-2.6.18/include/asm-sh/msgbuf.h: Cannot write: No space left on device
16:42 < Stelz> tar: linux-2.6.18/include/asm-sh/namei.h: Cannot write: No space left on device
16:42 < Stelz> tar: linux-2.6.18/include/asm-sh/overdrive/fpga.h: Cannot write: No space left on device
16:44 < Stelz> i think i need turn ccache off..
16:45 < rxr> heh ,-)
16:45 < rxr> ./scripts/Cleanup -cache will remove the files
16:46 < Stelz> yeah.. i know
16:47 < Stelz> i done it a lot of times..
16:47 < Stelz> *did
16:48 < Stelz> You should not call uname during the build!
16:48 < Stelz> whats that?
16:49 < Stelz> a lot of such mesgs
16:51 < rxr> a reminder to developers to clean uname calls
16:51 < Stelz> ah
16:51 < rxr> calling uname is not cross compile-aware and should really be avoided
16:51 < Stelz> i see..
16:51 < rxr> (though T2 is smart enough these days to wrap uname and return what we cross build to - but the packages really should be improved)
16:54 < Stelz> hm... rxr
16:55 < Stelz> could i use my current linux-config for 2.6.18-T2-target?
16:55 < rxr> yes, there is a way to enforce a specific kernel config for the t2 kernel
16:56 < rxr> the psionw target does it - maybe you want to take a look there ?
16:56 < Stelz> i just have
16:56 < Stelz> Linux slz.sytes.net 2.6.16 #6 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jul 8 14:31:05 MSD 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
16:56 < Stelz> could i use config from 2.6.16 for 2.6.18 kernel?
16:58 < Stelz> and i looked at psion-pda target.. nice
16:58 < Stelz> but will it be ok if i'll use config from my old kernel?
16:58 < rxr> well - it will mostly match
16:58 < rxr> however for the new CONFIG option of the kernel the defaults will be choosen
16:58 < Stelz> i hope so
16:59 < rxr> e.g. if there are new drivers in .18 it depends on the kernel defaults if they will be built or not
16:59 < Stelz> defaults.. so a lot of modules maybe compiled that i don't need
16:59 < Stelz> is there any way to make menuconfig during T2-build-process?
16:59 < rxr> nope
17:00 < rxr> but you can run the config in a .18 kernel with your config once to get it updated
17:00 < rxr> but there will not be that much new stuff in .18 anyway
17:00 < rxr> I would just use your config for now as it
17:00 < Stelz> hm.. really?
17:00 < Stelz> hm
17:00 < Stelz> ok, thanks :)
17:05 < Stelz> interesting question, rxr. about the stats. how many packages does we have?
17:06 < rxr> 2502
17:06 < Stelz> hehe, nice :)
17:06 < rxr> package$ l */*/*.desc | wc -l
17:06 < Stelz> and growing up! :)
17:06 < rxr> definetly
17:07 < Stelz> :)
17:07 < Stelz> kewl
17:07 < rxr> also keep in mind that are unsplit packages, debian and such only have higher numbers because they split into -devel, -doc, and -whatnot
17:07 < rxr> so they just have x3 or x4 ....
17:08 < Stelz> yeah
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20:19 < Stelz> rxr: ping
20:25 < rxr> poin
20:25 < rxr> g
20:26 < rxr> but I'm just about to hurry out of the office .. :-(
20:26 < rxr> sorry - have to leave - cu is waiting for evening dinner - cu then
20:27 < rxr> Stelz: if you have some t2 question you can also bug valentin while I'n off-line
20:27 < rxr> cu all
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20:28 < Stelz> cua later, rxr
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21:02 < Stelz> gn all
21:02 * Stelz is away: Sleep is good. Zzzzz
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00:00 < Stelz> sepp: what is '-lm' ?
00:01 < Stelz> i compiled my small program fine with this option :)
00:01 < sepp> Stelz: gcc -lm squared.c -o squared
00:01 < Stelz> yeah
00:01 < Stelz> but what is it?
00:01 < sepp> the math lib
00:01 < Stelz> hm?
00:02 < Stelz> i included math lib by typing #iclude
00:02 < Stelz> why i need -lm ?
00:02 < sepp> to link the "libmath" into it
00:03 < Stelz> hm
00:03 < Stelz> but how i'll know when i'll need the other libs?
00:03 < Stelz> -lX
00:04 < Stelz> where "X" is...
00:07 < Stelz> and sepp.. is there any other way to compile program without that "linkage" ?
00:08 < Stelz> my friend just compiled it without "-lm"
00:13 < Stelz> anyway, thanks for help :)
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01:20 < Stelz> rxr: ping
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08:49 < misl> hi folks
08:50 < Stelz> hi misl
08:50 < Stelz> :)
08:50 < misl> hi Stelz
08:50 < Stelz> misl: do u have
08:50 < Stelz> svn-write-access? :)
08:50 < misl> yes
08:50 < Stelz> nice. do u want to update some useful tools?
08:50 < Stelz> :)
08:51 < Stelz> ncurses to 5.5 and autoconf to 2.60 :)
08:51 < misl> do you have the patches?
08:52 < Stelz> no.. i just have information about these updates.. cause i'm building my T2-box right now and comparing its packages with installed on my current linuxbox
08:54 < misl> Stelz: I am not too sure about updating autoconf it might have a to big impact on the toolchain. I leave these kind of update mostly to rxr.
08:54 < Stelz> ok :)
08:55 < Stelz> == 10/08/06 10:45:41 =[1]=> Finished building package coreutils.
08:55 < Stelz> uhm..
08:56 < misl> Stelz: You can update them yourself. And do the build. When it works fine you can send the patch to the mailing list. :)
08:56 < Stelz> i know :)
08:56 < Stelz> but right now i just want to build T2-minimal-with-xorg
08:56 < Stelz> and then
08:56 < Stelz> if all 'll go fine
08:57 < Stelz> i'll remve packages that i don't need
08:57 < Stelz> add some useful stuff
08:57 < Stelz> and i'll try to rebuild the target
08:57 < Stelz> and theeeeeeeen.. i'll submit a lot of patches :)
08:57 < Stelz> i hope so
08:57 < misl> :)
08:57 < Stelz> remve -> remove :)
09:01 < misl> Stelz: I tried updating ncurses but it is not straight forward. I failed due to existing patches. Unfortunately I have not the time to investigate. :(
09:01 < Stelz> okok.. don worry
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11:23 < rxr> moin
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11:37 < rxr> Stelz: I check out autoconf and ncurses updates
11:37 < Stelz> rehi rxr :)
11:37 < Stelz> ranlib: .libs/libgcj.a: No space left on device
11:37 < Stelz> make[3]: *** [libgcj.la] Error 1
11:37 < Stelz> lol
11:37 < Stelz> == 10/08/06 13:23:00 =[2]=> Aborted building package gcc.
11:42 < Stelz> rxr: i found some bug in linux-header
11:42 < Stelz> asm/ can't be copied during the: no such file or directory
12:00 < rxr> hm
12:00 < rxr> maybe that is new due to jsaw's latest change on it
12:00 < rxr> 11:37 < Stelz> ranlib: .libs/libgcj.a: No space left on device
12:00 < rxr> ^- hard disk full ! :-)
12:01 < Stelz> :)
12:01 < Stelz> i know.. cleaned up
12:01 < Stelz> ;)
12:01 < Stelz> and recompiling gcc right now
12:01 < Stelz> rxr: all is ok, except linux-header and strace
12:01 < rxr> strace ?
12:01 < Stelz> yup
12:02 < Stelz> i fixed .conf file of linux-header
12:02 < Stelz> just renamed asm/* to asm-i386/*
12:02 < Stelz> and all went fine
12:02 < rxr> no that is not correct
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12:03 < rxr> it will not work on any other architecture ,-)
12:03 < Stelz> why?
12:03 < rxr> like ppc, mips, arm just to name a few :-)
12:03 < Stelz> uhm.. rxr. but there is NO asm/ dir !
12:04 < Stelz> wait a sec
12:04 < Stelz> rxr: look at the 66th line
12:04 < Stelz> linux-header.conf
12:04 < Stelz> and then look into the tar.bz2 archive
12:05 < Stelz> there is no /include/asm/ dir
12:05 < Stelz> only asm-*
12:07 < CIA-9> susan * r20072 /trunk/package/gnome2/atk/atk.desc: * updated atk (1.12.2 -> 1.12.3)
12:08 < CIA-9> susan * r20073 /trunk/package/gnome2/alacarte/alacarte.desc: * updated alacarte (0.10 -> 0.10.1)
12:13 < CIA-9> rene * r20074 /trunk/package/archiver/upx/ (upx.conf upx.desc): * updated upx (1.25 -> 2.02)
12:13 < CIA-9> rene * r20075 /trunk/package/network/vblade/vblade.desc: * updated vblade (11 -> 13)
12:13 < Stelz> rxr: or i missed smthng?
12:13 < Stelz> :|
12:14 < CIA-9> rene * r20076 /trunk/package/scientific/octave/octave.desc: * updated octave (2.9.8 -> 2.9.9)
12:14 < rxr> inside the linux source ?
12:14 < rxr> include/asm is created as symlink to the right directory when linux is beeing built
12:14 < Stelz> yeah
12:15 < Stelz> rxr: but.. there is no such file/dir
12:15 < Stelz> nothing were created
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12:15 < rxr> in the past it was - I think it is related to jsaw's change to our linux configuratoin procedure just some days ago
12:16 < rxr> I take a look when my morning updates got thru
12:16 < Stelz> ok
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12:19 < CIA-9> rene * r20082 /trunk/package/contrib/vidix/vidix.desc: * updated vidix (0.9.9.1 -> 0.9.9.2)
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12:23 < Stelz> and of course we need to remove mine as soon as possible..
12:25 < rxr> of course
12:31 < CIA-9> rene * r20083 /trunk/package/network/gq/gq.desc: * updated gq (1.1.2 -> 1.2.0)
12:31 < rxr> it will take some hours until the autoconf and ncurses update will hit trunk because I'll gonna go test them in the reference builder first
12:32 < Stelz> of course
12:32 < Stelz> especially autoconf
12:32 < Stelz> it's a new version since 2003
12:32 < Stelz> and we need it to be tested perfectly :)
12:34 < Stelz> mm.. rxr.. maybe u know.. where i could rename headers/kernel version.. from 2.6.12-dist to 2.6.12 and from 2.6.18-dist to 2.6.18? :D 2.6.12 is displayed during the execution of /lib/ld-2.5.so :)
12:35 < Stelz> err. libc-2.3.6.so
12:39 < rxr> you mean you do not want to have this -dist naming part that your t2 kernel have ?
12:40 < Stelz> yeah
12:40 < Stelz> kernel and headers
12:41 < rxr> the -dist tag is added in t2:package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in
12:41 < rxr> echo "Redefining VERSION ..."
12:41 < rxr> lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion}-dist"
12:41 < rxr> you can alter that in your own target if you like or just edit the line
12:42 < Stelz> lol
12:42 < rxr> the -dist that is to distinguish it from selfbuild vanilla kernels
12:42 < Stelz> yeah..
12:42 < rxr> noone ever asked about it so far
12:42 < Stelz> rxr: how i could make my own patches like this?
12:42 < rxr> btw. the autoconf version is not from 2003, it is new of summer 2006
12:42 < Stelz> rxr: 2.60
12:42 < rxr> create your own target iun target/
12:43 < rxr> in target/
12:43 < Stelz> but 2.59 is from 2003
12:43 < rxr> look for the existing ones as example
12:43 < rxr> ah ok - I thought you ment that comment ironic :-)
12:43 < Stelz> :)
12:43 < rxr> you can alter each package by either supplying a patch to the source as target/stelz/pkg_mplayer.patch
12:44 < rxr> or alter script variables and the like in target/stelz/pkg_mplayer_{pre,post}.conf
12:44 < Stelz> mm...nice
12:44 < rxr> look at what other targets such as desktop and archivista are doing for example
12:44 < rxr> that way you keep your custom stuff in a for you can backup, version and publish and still the t2 packages are vanillaly clean
12:45 < Stelz> uhm
12:45 < rxr> in a form you can backup
12:45 < Stelz> and what about configure "--flags" ?
12:45 < Stelz> by this way too?
12:45 < Stelz> for example
12:45 < Stelz> pkg_php.conf
12:45 < Stelz> yup?
12:46 < rxr> yes
12:46 < Stelz> niiice
12:46 < Stelz> and so i need.. to remove that "-dist"..
12:46 < Stelz> target/stelz/pkg_linux24.conf
12:47 < rxr> yeah - that is a more advanced task indeed
12:47 < Stelz> and in this file..
12:47 < rxr> for a start you can indeed addd a pkg_linux-header_post.conf and pkg_linux26_post.conf
12:47 < Stelz> lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion}
12:47 < Stelz> lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion}"
12:47 < Stelz> ah
12:48 < rxr> in that file this should do:
12:48 < rxr> lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion}-dist"
12:48 < rxr> lx_injectextraversion
12:48 < rxr> sorry
12:49 < rxr> hook_add postconf 5 'lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion/-dist/}; lx_injectextraversion"
12:49 < rxr> but untested would need a test try :-)
12:49 < Stelz> only one string?
12:49 < Stelz> hook_add postconf 5 'lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion/-dist/}; lx_injectextraversion" <- this?
12:52 < Stelz> seems to be no..
12:55 < Stelz> rxr: so i need only the last string (hook_add) ?
12:59 < rxr> yes the hook_add
13:04 < Stelz> thanks, i'll try
13:14 < rxr> you are welcome
13:14 < rxr> Stelz: I think this shoudl fix linux-her:
13:14 < rxr> linux-header:
13:14 < rxr> @@ -24,6 +23,7 @@
13:14 < rxr> main_lx_header() {
13:14 < rxr> lx_patch
13:14 < rxr> + lx_config
13:15 < rxr> I test and commit if successful
13:19 < Stelz> rxr: i' compiling gcc right now :)
13:19 < Stelz> *i'm
13:19 < Stelz> building the target..
13:26 < rxr> Lua enters Tiobe top 50
13:26 < rxr> http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2006-10/msg00157.html
13:26 < rxr> http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index
13:26 < Stelz> hehe.. nice
13:27 < Stelz> i'm learing lua... but very slow.. cause a lot of C/C++ in my Uni :)
13:32 < Stelz> == 10/08/06 15:23:08 =[3]=> Finished building package autoconf.
13:32 < Stelz> == 15:23:11 =[3]=> Building base/automake [1.9.6 7.0].
13:32 < Stelz> :)
13:34 < rxr> == 12:51:50 =[9]=> Building base/ncurses [5.5 7.0-trunk].
13:34 < rxr> == 10/08/06 13:05:42 =[9]=> Finished building package ncurses.
13:34 < Stelz> hehe :P
13:36 < CIA-9> rene * r20084 /trunk/package/base/linux-header/ (linux-header.conf linux-header.desc):
13:36 < CIA-9> * fixed linux-header to build include/asm before trying to install it
13:36 < CIA-9> (regression do the latest linux patch/config control flow change)
13:37 < Stelz> *> File not found: download/mirror/b/bin86-0.16.17.tar.bz2
13:37 < Stelz> lol
13:38 < Stelz> dunno.. why it wasn't downloaded
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13:40 < rxr> hi idealm
13:41 < Stelz> hm.. rxr.. so i still need that -dist-removal-patch?
13:41 < idealm> hi rxr
13:41 < Stelz> hello idealm ;)
13:41 < idealm> Nice to meet you, Stelz :)
13:41 < Stelz> :P
13:44 < rxr> heh: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/photos/pdp8e.jpg
13:45 < CIA-9> rene * r20085 /trunk/package/emulators/simh/simh.desc: * updated simh (33-1 -> 36-1)
13:50 < Stelz> ah.. rxr.. u were talking about fixing some troubles with asm-dir ;)
13:51 < Stelz> thought that sentence was about -dist :)
13:52 < Stelz> == 10/08/06 15:43:02 =[3]=> Finished building package ncurses.
13:53 < Stelz> hm.. is there any way ( script ) to remove automatically old sources of packages?..
13:53 < rxr> old tarballs ?
13:54 < Stelz> yeah
13:54 < Stelz> when i'll upgrade to ncurses 5.5
13:54 < rxr> ./scripts/Download -list-unknoqn | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | xargs rm -v
13:54 < Stelz> for example :)
13:54 < rxr> -list-unknown
13:54 < rxr> if you mean the sources in download/...
13:54 < Stelz> yeah
13:55 < Stelz> no easier script to remember? :)
13:56 < rxr> we could add it to the Claanup scritp
13:56 < rxr> Cleanup
13:56 < Stelz> it 'll be very good :)
13:56 < rxr> oh it is
13:56 < Stelz> to cleanup unused/old sources
13:56 < rxr> http://golem.de/0610/48239.html
13:57 < rxr> err
13:57 < rxr> ./scripts/Cleanup -download
13:57 < rxr> good that I do not visit p0rn sites :-)
13:57 < rxr> heh - even implemented by me:
13:57 < Stelz> ./scripts/Cleanup -download <- but it cleanups all download section..
13:57 < rxr> 8272 rene # Cleanup download/* and quit
13:57 < rxr> 8272 rene #
13:58 < rxr> Stelz: I thougt that is what you wanted, cleanup of outdated source tarballs ...
13:58 < rxr> Stelz: what did you wanted to cleanup ?
13:58 < Stelz> uhm.. it cleanups only outdated?
13:58 < Stelz> not all?
13:59 < rxr> it is Cleanup, not "rm" :-)
13:59 < Stelz> :)))
13:59 < Stelz> true
13:59 < rxr> it only removes what is unkown to the system
13:59 < Stelz> yup
14:05 < rxr> ok - /we take lunch - cu
14:33 < Stelz> cu
16:19 < rxr> re
16:19 < Stelz> rehi rxr
16:24 < rxr> hi Stelz
16:24 < Stelz> uhm
16:24 < Stelz> going to update autoconf? :D
16:24 < Stelz> and i'm still building current target..
16:24 < Stelz> a lot of useless packages in minimal-with-xorg..
16:26 < rxr> just drop notes what you find could further be stripped from the target
16:26 < rxr> in IRC or thelist
16:26 < Stelz> ofcourse rxr
16:27 < Stelz> but the fist i remember.. is gdb..
16:32 < Stelz> *first
16:32 < Stelz> i think it's not for minimal target ;)
16:41 < rxr> heh
16:41 < rxr> ok - well the minimal is suppost to be an minimal enviroment usable to build and debug t2
16:41 < rxr> that is why gdb and subversion are in it
16:41 < rxr> cdrtools also to be able to burn resulting T2 iso onto media
16:42 < Stelz> ok.. i'll make a list
16:42 < Stelz> for packages i want to be removed ;)
16:42 < Stelz> oh noez.. :|
16:42 < Stelz> tar: linux-2.6.18/include/asm-sh/msgbuf.h: Cannot write: No space left on device
16:42 < Stelz> tar: linux-2.6.18/include/asm-sh/namei.h: Cannot write: No space left on device
16:42 < Stelz> tar: linux-2.6.18/include/asm-sh/overdrive/fpga.h: Cannot write: No space left on device
16:44 < Stelz> i think i need turn ccache off..
16:45 < rxr> heh ,-)
16:45 < rxr> ./scripts/Cleanup -cache will remove the files
16:46 < Stelz> yeah.. i know
16:47 < Stelz> i done it a lot of times..
16:47 < Stelz> *did
16:48 < Stelz> You should not call uname during the build!
16:48 < Stelz> whats that?
16:49 < Stelz> a lot of such mesgs
16:51 < rxr> a reminder to developers to clean uname calls
16:51 < Stelz> ah
16:51 < rxr> calling uname is not cross compile-aware and should really be avoided
16:51 < Stelz> i see..
16:51 < rxr> (though T2 is smart enough these days to wrap uname and return what we cross build to - but the packages really should be improved)
16:54 < Stelz> hm... rxr
16:55 < Stelz> could i use my current linux-config for 2.6.18-T2-target?
16:55 < rxr> yes, there is a way to enforce a specific kernel config for the t2 kernel
16:56 < rxr> the psionw target does it - maybe you want to take a look there ?
16:56 < Stelz> i just have
16:56 < Stelz> Linux slz.sytes.net 2.6.16 #6 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jul 8 14:31:05 MSD 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
16:56 < Stelz> could i use config from 2.6.16 for 2.6.18 kernel?
16:58 < Stelz> and i looked at psion-pda target.. nice
16:58 < Stelz> but will it be ok if i'll use config from my old kernel?
16:58 < rxr> well - it will mostly match
16:58 < rxr> however for the new CONFIG option of the kernel the defaults will be choosen
16:58 < Stelz> i hope so
16:59 < rxr> e.g. if there are new drivers in .18 it depends on the kernel defaults if they will be built or not
16:59 < Stelz> defaults.. so a lot of modules maybe compiled that i don't need
16:59 < Stelz> is there any way to make menuconfig during T2-build-process?
16:59 < rxr> nope
17:00 < rxr> but you can run the config in a .18 kernel with your config once to get it updated
17:00 < rxr> but there will not be that much new stuff in .18 anyway
17:00 < rxr> I would just use your config for now as it
17:00 < Stelz> hm.. really?
17:00 < Stelz> hm
17:00 < Stelz> ok, thanks :)
17:05 < Stelz> interesting question, rxr. about the stats. how many packages does we have?
17:06 < rxr> 2502
17:06 < Stelz> hehe, nice :)
17:06 < rxr> package$ l */*/*.desc | wc -l
17:06 < Stelz> and growing up! :)
17:06 < rxr> definetly
17:07 < Stelz> :)
17:07 < Stelz> kewl
17:07 < rxr> also keep in mind that are unsplit packages, debian and such only have higher numbers because they split into -devel, -doc, and -whatnot
17:07 < rxr> so they just have x3 or x4 ....
17:08 < Stelz> yeah
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20:19 < Stelz> rxr: ping
20:25 < rxr> poin
20:25 < rxr> g
20:26 < rxr> but I'm just about to hurry out of the office .. :-(
20:26 < rxr> sorry - have to leave - cu is waiting for evening dinner - cu then
20:27 < rxr> Stelz: if you have some t2 question you can also bug valentin while I'n off-line
20:27 < rxr> cu all
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20:28 < Stelz> cua later, rxr
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