T2 IRC Log: 2006-09-26

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--- Log opened Tue Sep 26 00:00:18 2006
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08:31 < rxr> moin
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09:20 [Users #t2]
09:20 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-20] [ LMJ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz[away]] [ valentin]
09:20 [ _Ragnar_] [ idealm] [ mtr] [ sparc-kly|WORK] [ th ]
09:20 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
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09:42 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/6.0.html
09:42 < rxr> ^- new known issues section
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09:44 < mtr> moin
09:48 < CIA-20> mtr * r19748 /trunk/package/www/opera/opera.cache: * added missing opera.cache, including run-time dependence libstc++-v3
10:00 < rxr> moin mtr
10:03 < CIA-20> rene * r19749 /trunk/package/www/opera/opera.desc:
10:03 < CIA-20> * added libstdc++-v3 run-time dependency to the E tags of opera.desc
10:03 < CIA-20> so the dependency is not lost during the next reference build
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10:08 < mtr> hi rxr
10:08 * Stelz[away] is back (gone 13:13:17)
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10:17 < CIA-20> rene * r19750 /trunk/package/xorg/libxv/libxv.desc: * updated libxv (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
10:18 < rxr> moin Stelz
10:18 < Stelz> hi
10:18 < Stelz> :)
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11:00 < CIA-20> rene * r19751 /trunk/architecture/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * added Xen optimization option to x86 and x86-64
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11:30 < CIA-20> rene * r19752 /trunk/target/desktop/pkgsel:
11:30 < CIA-20> steve@stevenallen.id.au:
11:30 < CIA-20> * fixed desktop target build issues:
11:30 < CIA-20> * added icon-naming-utils, perl-xml-simple, pygobject, pycairo and libiec61883
11:31 < CIA-20> * removed emphasis
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12:12 < CIA-20> rene * r19753 /trunk/package/x11/xlockmore/xlockmore.desc: * updated xlockmore (5.21 -> 5.22)
12:12 < CIA-20> rene * r19754 /trunk/package/network/aoetools/aoetools.desc: * updated aoetools (10 -> 11)
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12:24 < CIA-20> rene * r19755 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.2.9-4 -> 6.2.9-7)
12:25 < CIA-20> rene * r19756 /trunk/package/network/whois/whois.desc: * updated whois (4.7.16 -> 4.7.17)
12:29 < CIA-20> rene * r19757 /trunk/package/network/bridge-utils/ (bridge-utils.conf bridge-utils.desc): * updated bridge-utils (1.1 -> 1.2)
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12:40 < AMD> hi
12:42 < AMD> is it recommended to compile programs for 64-bit or are there known problems?
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12:48 < CIA-20> rene * r19758 /trunk/package/base/ (sysfiles/etc_conf_console.txt sysvinit/system.init):
12:48 < CIA-20> * added a STONE configuration option for the console beep interval
12:48 < CIA-20> and set the default to 0
12:48 < rxr> AMD: there are no known issues
12:49 < rxr> AMD: in T2 even kde, GNOME and X.org with composition manager works just fine on x86-64
12:49 < rxr> the problems you experienced are either regressions or gentoo related
12:49 < rxr> if you like I can build you a minimal x86-64 t2 ISO and you just Emerge-Pkg the remaining packages you need
12:50 < AMD> that would be very kind
12:50 < rxr> ok
12:50 < AMD> so minimal includes SVN, compilers and all related programs?
12:50 < rxr> gcc, svn and the usual handy console stuff
12:51 < AMD> so please with Kernel 2.6.18
12:51 < AMD> AHCI should be enabled in the kernel because otherwise my IDE-controller wont work properly and the cd cant be loaded
12:53 < rxr> ahci is some SATA module ?
12:53 < AMD> yes
12:54 < rxr> in t2's default kernel as many moduels as possible are built and the block devices all included in the initrd
12:54 < AMD> ok
12:54 < rxr> so the default kernel should boot everywhere
12:54 < AMD> thanks
12:54 < AMD> by the way, where can I find precompiled binary packages for T2 (I think they are called .dep)?
12:55 < rxr> t2 binary package are .tar.{gz,bz2,lzo,...}
12:56 < rxr> we do not have tar pools online, but they are on the release ISOs
12:56 < AMD> because if something doesnt compile correctly It would be better use binarys
12:56 -!- pcryo [n=chatzill@62.84.76.138] has joined #t2
12:56 < pcryo> hello there guys !
12:56 < pcryo> need some help building t2-6.0.0 on centos 4.4
12:57 < rxr> yes - we wanted to provide so called synchronicity pools on http servers for network and binary install - but had no time so far ,-)
12:57 < rxr> if you want to help on that feature for the T2 7.0 timeframe it would be welcome ,-)
12:57 < AMD> pcryo: create a new partition and use subversion to get t2
12:57 < rxr> pcryo: you are the one who posted the problem on the mailing list ?
12:58 < pcryo> yes and had no answer yet !
12:58 < pcryo> on mailing list am degreane
12:58 < rxr> yeah - I was about to reply
12:58 < pcryo> thats great ! so do i hold any luck to solve the problem i run in to !?
12:59 < rxr> the trunk kernel issue I can not help with immedaitly
12:59 < AMD> rxr: I also have very few time at the moment. Should these tools be just simple scripts?
12:59 < rxr> AMD had a simillar error yesterday and I'm not yet sure what does cause it
12:59 < rxr> AMD: yes, the installer for our .tar-balls already supports http and ftp locations
13:00 < AMD> I have also problems in my running gentoo environment with compiling
13:00 < rxr> just some "mirror checking and publication scripts" are needed ,-)
13:00 < AMD> some dependencies for KDE dont work and there are known bugs
13:00 < rxr> and someone who continously builds the tarballs for the various architectures
13:00 < pcryo> its ok .... let me be frank with you what i need to do ... i want to create a installer for the office no matter what happens they can only install from cd like the one on mindi-mondo
13:01 < AMD> and that was the reason why I changed to T2
13:01 < AMD> gentoo is buggy
13:01 < pcryo> cause i am going to travel abroad for couple of months and i don't have much time neither to teach anyone nor to create manuals !
13:02 < rxr> pcryo: what target are you building with t2-6.0.0 ?
13:02 < rxr> the procps misses ncurses - is it included in the target / package config you selected?
13:02 < rxr> AMD: just wait some hours here
13:02 < rxr> my Turion64 laptop should have the minimal iso finished tonight
13:03 < pcryo> minimal router
13:03 < rxr> .oO
13:03 < rxr> ok - we should remove that config
13:03 < rxr> noone is using that anymore
13:03 < rxr> can you select generic and then the minimal template ?
13:04 < pcryo> what should i be building instead !?
13:04 < rxr> you will be way more happier with that ,-)
13:04 < pcryo> ok i will !
13:04 < pcryo> one sec till i get things done !
13:04 < rxr> I'll also drop a mail to the list so other can find that answer while googling
13:04 [Users #t2]
13:04 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-20] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly|WORK] [ valentin]
13:04 [ _Ragnar_] [ idealm] [ pcryo] [ Stelz ]
13:04 [ AMD ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ th ]
13:04 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
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13:06 < pcryo> rxr: now made it generic with minimalistic template without x !
13:06 < pcryo> it should work !
13:07 < rxr> yes - since we have this templates everyones does use those
13:07 < pcryo> by the way i tried t2-2.2 there are packages which were not found during download !
13:07 < rxr> router is sort of abondone by it's maintainer - it was suppost to become a cisco alike "just for router OS"
13:08 < rxr> I think currently people are more looking at some OpenWRT a-like with web interface - such a target was already started
13:09 < pcryo> ah ... tell me if i need to include my custome patches during setup and installation cd-set are there any specific procedures to do !?
13:10 < rxr> you want to include your custom package patches or custom installation procedure ?
13:11 < pcryo> custom package patches like patch-o-matic for netfilter and/or my own application !!!!!
13:12 < rxr> in t2 you can place the package patches just into the package/.../$pkg/ direcrory
13:12 < rxr> they are applied automatically
13:12 < pcryo> ah ok !!!
13:12 < rxr> but best is to define your own target in that case
13:12 < rxr> like cp target/desktop target/pcryo
13:12 < pcryo> define my own target !?
13:12 < pcryo> ok !
13:13 < rxr> and place your "own linux flavour" related patches there as target/pcryo/pkg_$pkg.patch
13:13 < rxr> so you also can version them
13:13 < rxr> but maybe test without target first to get a t2 feeling
13:13 < rxr> if you have open source applications it is best to make a real t2 package for those
13:13 < pcryo> great so i contribute with custom packages with t2 !
13:14 < rxr> that is quite easiy as T2 does most automatically - just fill a new .desc file in packgae/.../$pkg/$pkg.desc
13:14 < rxr> if there is a freshmeat entry for the package you can even use misc/archive/fmnewpackage.sh to let it create most .desc info from the freshmeat entry ,-)
13:14 < rxr> but filling the few ASCII tags by hand is really quite easy
13:15 < pcryo> just the same as others are filled !
13:15 < pcryo> great !
13:15 < rxr> if you have properitary add-ons you can easily add them to your target in target/pcryo/...
13:15 < pcryo> one more thing !
13:15 < rxr> and let the build inject them in one way or another (there are many ways with different behaviour for this)
13:15 < pcryo> if i want to add my custom installation setup image and/or entry !
13:16 < pcryo> along with custom installation menu !
13:18 < rxr> the archivista target can be used as example for custom installation code
13:18 < rxr> archivista builds as livecd with it's own install/setup and update store/restore cycle
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13:18 < AMD> hi again
13:18 < AMD> rxr: when should I return for the livecd?
13:19 < Stelz> just be here hrhr :)
13:20 < pcryo> mmmm minimal generic how much time would it take to be build !?
13:20 < rxr> AMD: this night or so ,-)
13:20 < rxr> maybe drop me a mail to rene at exactcode dot de so I drop you a note
13:21 < rxr> pcryo: minimal generic takes just some hours on my dual-core PPC64 - on less new hardware a bit longer
13:21 < rxr> on post GHz area boxes seldome longer than a day
13:21 < pcryo> 1.8 GHz 512 ram ! lol
13:21 < AMD> rxr: tonight im sleeping. Ill send a short message to rene@exactcode.de .
13:22 < pcryo> rxr: much thankfull for your help !!!!
13:22 < rxr> pcryo: no problem you are welcome
13:23 < rxr> AMD: ok, so I can sleep as well, *lol* I'll upload it into our release area and mail you the http:// link then
13:23 < AMD> :D :D
13:24 < AMD> rxr: youre german, arent you?
13:25 < pcryo> I have the system which to be installed on holds 6GB Ram with dual processor 3GHz each ... will the build support hugememory !?
13:26 < CIA-20> rene * r19759 /trunk/package/mail/exim/exim.conf:
13:26 < CIA-20> * improved exim to build with ssl support by default and use install
13:26 < CIA-20> for installation to avoid failing with "busy text file"
13:29 < pcryo> CIA-20: the default is exim ?????
13:29 < pcryo> or default to choose for sendmail / exim !????
13:30 < Stelz> pcryo: rofl
13:30 < Stelz> CIA-20 == bot
13:30 < pcryo> ok
13:30 < pcryo> my fault
13:32 < pcryo> by the way why does it give error on nptl ????
13:35 < AMD> rxr: have sent you the mail
13:35 < AMD> cu
13:36 < rxr> ok - cu
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13:36 < rxr> pcryo: does not error here - what is your new error =
13:37 < rxr> pcryo: we have exim, sendmail, qmail, ... and quite some exotes
13:37 < rxr> none is the default - it is your choice
13:37 < pcryo> no no i removed the nptl !!!!
13:37 < pcryo> still now am running quite good !
13:37 < pcryo> thank you !
13:41 < rxr> removed nptl ?
13:41 < rxr> you mean the disabled that config option ?
13:41 * rxr confused
13:42 < Stelz> lol
13:54 < CIA-20> rene * r19760 /trunk/package/perl/perl-libxml/perl-libxml.desc: * updated perl-libxml (1.60 -> 1.61)
14:00 < CIA-20> rene * r19761 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg.conf.example: * updated synaptics example configuration
14:06 < CIA-20> rene * r19762 /trunk/package/x86/microcode_ctl/ (microcode_ctl.conf microcode_ctl.desc): * updated microcode_ctl (1.14 -> 1.15)
14:10 < CIA-20> rene * r19763 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils.desc: * updated binutils (2.17.50.0.3 -> 2.17.50.0.4)
14:16 < CIA-20> rene * r19764 /trunk/package/network/pound/pound.desc: * updated pound (2.1.1 -> 2.1.3), and cleaned the .desc
14:17 < CIA-20> rene * r19765 /trunk/package/security/openct/openct.desc: * updated openct (0.6.8 -> 0.6.9)
14:28 < rxr> so - cu - lunch
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14:45 < sepp> hello :)
14:46 < Stelz> hi
14:46 < Stelz> :)
14:46 < sepp> hi Stelz
14:47 < Stelz> hi hi ;)
15:25 < rxr> re
15:26 < rxr> hi sepp
15:28 < sepp> hi rxr
16:01 < CIA-20> rene * r19766 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: (log message trimmed)
16:01 < CIA-20> * improved pkgprefix usability, in test mode [-t] it no longer aborts
16:01 < CIA-20> the build and thus can be used to test if a package is already
16:01 < CIA-20> installed
16:01 < CIA-20> * shrinked pkgprefix message spit out for packages without a Prefix:
16:01 < CIA-20> entry - those packages would be over 2 years old now and are rarely
16:01 < CIA-20> experienced these days
16:03 < CIA-20> rene * r19767 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone_mod_general.sh: * stone configuration for the Linux console bell length
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16:25 < sparc-kly> rxr:
16:30 < rxr> hi sparc-kly
16:30 < CIA-20> rene * r19768 /trunk/package/gnome2/devhelp/devhelp.desc: * updated devhelp (0.11 -> 0.12)
16:30 < sparc-kly> hey :)
16:30 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/software/default.shtml?prg=37053 <- entry sucks a bit but at least we are now listed on heise ,-)
16:30 < sparc-kly> i have a question: t2 6.0 niagara isos is 100% compatible with Sun Ultra 5
16:31 < rxr> yes they are - I run them on anything, U5, U30, ...
16:31 < rxr> they only have one small glitch:
16:31 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/6.0.html
16:31 < rxr> ^- read the bottom - two symlinks to add manually ...
16:31 < rxr> with that fix the best SPARC Linux I ever had
16:37 < CIA-20> rene * r19769 /trunk/package/graphic/libjpeg/ (destdir.patch libjpeg.conf):
16:37 < CIA-20> * fixed libjpeg for cross builds and to only build the shared version
16:37 < CIA-20> if a shared library actually is requested
16:38 < sparc-kly> hey thanks :)
16:44 < CIA-20> rene * r19770 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/modular-x-conf.in: * fix more xorg packages to cross build
16:50 < CIA-20> rene * r19771 /trunk/package/develop/oprofile/ (gcc-41-anon.patch oprofile.desc): * updated oprofile (0.9.1 -> 0.9.2)
17:01 < rxr> http://bulk.fefe.de/lk2006/talk.pdf
17:10 < rxr> http://www.fefe.de/linux-kongress2006.txt
17:13 < rxr> nice read
17:13 < rxr> so - back to work ,-)
17:16 < rxr> IBM Asks Court to Toss SCO's Entire Case
17:16 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/09/26/1211213.shtml
17:17 [Users #t2]
17:17 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ pcryo] [ sparc-kly ] [ th ]
17:17 [ _Ragnar_] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly|WORK] [ valentin]
17:17 [ CIA-20 ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ Stelz ]
17:17 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
17:52 < pcryo> rxr: man
17:52 < pcryo> i have an error
17:52 < pcryo> $root/var/adm/logs/1-e2fsprogs.out -> 1-e2fsprogs.err
17:53 < sepp> http://www.rafb.net/paste/ ,-)
18:07 < valentin> damn, i cannot log in to heise to vote for t2
18:10 < valentin> okay, firefox worked
18:11 < valentin> vote too at http://www.heise.de/software/default.shtml?prg=37053
18:11 < Stelz> :)
18:12 < valentin> only +5 votes are accepted :)
18:13 < valentin> searching for t2 does not yield any result
18:14 < rxr> they wrote the search index is rebuild nightly ...
18:19 < pcryo> rxr: did u check the last error i posted !?
18:20 < rxr> pcryo: you need to actually post the error
18:20 < rxr> it is in the log file ,-)
18:21 < pcryo> tempo/t2/t2-6.0.0/build/system-6.0.0-generic-x86-pentium4-cross/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/crosscc/../lib/gcc/i686-t2-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../../../i686-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: warning: libuuid.so.1, needed by ../lib/libblkid.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
18:22 < pcryo> ../lib/libblkid.so: undefined reference to `uuid_unparse'
18:22 < pcryo> ../lib/libblkid.so: undefined reference to `uuid_is_null'
18:23 < pcryo> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
18:23 < pcryo> make[2]: *** [blkid] Error 1
18:23 < rxr> bummer - /me wonders where this is again comming from ...
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18:25 < pcryo> i posted the error to the mailing list !
18:25 < pcryo> one question why i don't recieve my requests in the mailing list also !?
18:26 < rxr> pcryo: hm - normally you should receive your mails as well
18:29 < rxr> does your list has parallel build enabled ?
18:32 < pcryo> yes
18:32 < pcryo> 4
18:32 < rxr> can you set the parallel jobs to 1 jsut for a test and see if e2fsprogs build then ?
18:32 < pcryo> ok !
18:33 < rxr> btw. for expert use you can also edit the config/.../config with vi or so - just do not mangle the syntax
18:33 < rxr> that saves you from having to start the "not so fast" Config tool for such tiny changes ,-)
18:33 < rxr> that option is SDECFG_PARALLEL_MAX
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18:45 < rxr> pcryo: did it build now ?
18:45 < pcryo> i am
18:46 < pcryo> but it seems its building it from the begining .... iguess i mistakenly selected to clean even if build fails
18:47 < rxr> builds all from the beginning or just e2fsprogs ?
19:07 < rxr> cu
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19:38 < LMJ> moin moin
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20:58 * sparc-kly|WORK is back (gone 21:04:54)
20:59 < sparc-kly|WORK> * Received a CTCP VERSION from Stelz?????
21:00 < Stelz> :)
21:00 * Stelz greetz sparc-kly|WORK
21:01 < sparc-kly|WORK> my work PC is a debian box
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23:03 < pcryo> guys i have posted an error to the mailing list regarding my build on CentOs 4.4
23:03 < pcryo> the error now is in wireless-tools
23:04 < pcryo> i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc -Os -W -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-qual -Winline -I. -MMD -o iwconfig iwconfig.o libiw.so.28 -lm
23:04 < pcryo> libiw.so.28: undefined reference to `ceil'
23:04 < pcryo> libiw.so.28: undefined reference to `floor'
23:04 < pcryo> libiw.so.28: undefined reference to `pow'
23:05 < pcryo> libiw.so.28: undefined reference to `log10'
23:05 < pcryo> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
23:05 < pcryo> make: *** [iwconfig] Error 1
23:06 < sepp_> what stage?
23:06 < pcryo> what do u mean what stage !?
23:07 < pcryo> 09/26/06 15:06:30 =[1]=> Aborted building package wireless-tools.
23:08 < sepp_> in this case "=[1]=>" stage 1 :)
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23:09 < kensai> #rocklinux
23:09 < kensai> LOL
23:09 < kensai> misstyped xchat
23:09 < kensai> hi guys
23:09 < kensai> finally got t2 installed
23:10 < sepp_> :)
23:10 < kensai> hey sepp_ everything fine?
23:11 < sparc-kly|WORK> kensai: =)
23:11 < kensai> sparc-kly|WORK, hows everything?
23:11 < sparc-kly|WORK> fine. :) is good notice. you @ t2 :D
23:11 < kensai> hehe
23:13 < kensai> there are still lots of things I don't understand, lots and lots of things
23:13 < kensai> :)
23:22 < sepp_> pcryo: do you have glibc-devel installed?
23:24 < pcryo> glibc-devel.i386 2.3.4-2.25 installed
23:27 < sepp_> i guess it is host related, you can skip 1-wireless-tools for now
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23:33 < sepp_> pcryo: touch build/YOURCONFIG/var/adm/logs/1-wireless-tools.log
23:33 < sepp_> and go on ...
23:35 < pcryo> so u think its some CentOs problem that some headers not included or verified with the build of t2 !?
23:36 < pcryo> tell me should t2 be build on its own host or it should normally be built on other hosts !!!!! no arch or flavour specified !?
23:36 < sepp_> your centos libm.so should have there functions, i don't know why it failed, but it is not an really important package and you can skip it for now
23:37 < sepp_> s/there/these/
23:38 < pcryo> ok but there should be a list of pre-requests for packages to be built so that one can make sure the checklist is complete and up to t2 standards before one takes off with his trip !
23:38 < pcryo> especially if its a big build !
23:39 < sepp_> normally it should work on any linux system, but there are so many of them ...
23:39 < pcryo> base/procps [3.2.6 6.0.0].
23:39 < sepp_> ?
23:39 < pcryo> i will post this one to the mailing list its a big one with ncurses !
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23:40 < pcryo> In file included from top.c:28:
23:40 < pcryo> usr/include/ncurses/curses.h:109:28: error: ncurses/unctrl.h: No such file or directory
23:40 < pcryo> In file included from top.c:28:
23:40 < pcryo> usr/include/ncurses/curses.h: In function 'NCURSES_EXPORT_VAR':
23:41 < pcryo> usr/include/ncurses/curses.h:181: error: expected declaration specifiers before 'COLORS'
23:41 < sepp_> ncurses headers missing
23:41 < pcryo> usr/include/ncurses/curses.h:182: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'COLOR_PAIRS'
23:41 < pcryo> ok yum i believe should do it !
23:42 < pcryo> ncurses-devel.i386 5.4-13 installed
23:43 < sepp_> locate unctrl.h
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23:53 < pcryo> locate ncurses_dll.h -> usr/include/ncursesw/ncurses_dll.h usr/include/ncurses/ncurses_dll.h
23:53 < pcryo> locate unctrl.h /usr/include/unctrl.h /usr/include/ncursesw/unctrl.h /usr/include/ncurses/unctrl.h
23:57 < sepp> hmmm
23:58 < pcryo> ok here what i did
23:58 < pcryo> i removed the centos rpm default ncurses-devel package
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