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02:37 < CIA-7> chris * r18794 /trunk/package/network/libtorrent/libtorrent.desc: * updated libtorrent (0.9.0 -> 0.10.0)
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05:35 < ethyr2000> hello all
05:35 < ethyr2000> anyone awake?
05:36 < ethyr2000> I was reading about t2 and was trying to figure out if it is the right solution for what I'm trying to do
05:37 < ethyr2000> I want to build linux so it's a cross between a live cd and hd install
05:38 < ethyr2000> basically it's a hd install... except it would use unionfs and udev just like a live cd.
05:38 < ethyr2000> I wouldn't use squashfs like the livecd
05:39 < ethyr2000> is t2 the right kind of environment for this .. or is this beyond the design of t2?
05:39 < morfoh> ethyr2000: T2 is a System Development Environment (SDE) which means you can build nearly any system you want ... ranging from a livecd, special server, embedded system ... 
05:40 < morfoh> it's _no_ distro ... it lets you build your own
05:40 < morfoh> but we've prepared so called targets (distros) like the livecd or desktop, and some more
05:40 < ethyr2000> I noticed the live cd was in the unstable branch according to the website .. is it stable yet.. or still in unstable?
05:41 < morfoh> ethyr2000: I can't say much about the status of the livecd ... perhaps you write a mail to the mailing list
05:41 < ethyr2000> sounds like it might be j7
05:42 < ethyr2000> sorry about that..
05:42 < ethyr2000> sounds like it may be just what I need
05:42 < ethyr2000> there isn't a distro out that does what I need
05:43 < ethyr2000> so this may do the trick
05:43 < ethyr2000> how diffic
05:43 < ethyr2000> difficult is it to roll a distro using t2?
05:45 < ethyr2000> morfoh: thanks for the info
05:45 < morfoh> np :)
05:46 < morfoh> ethyr2000: it's not difficult but you have to start :)
05:46 < ethyr2000> ttfn
05:46 < morfoh> and you can allways ask here and on the ML
05:47 < morfoh> unf. the handbook is a bit outdated ... but the first part gives you some  impression about T2 I guess
05:59 < _Ragnar_> hi hi
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06:16 < morfoh> hi _Ragnar_ 
06:17 < Baldzius> moin morfoh :)
06:20 < CIA-7> aldas * r18795 /trunk/package/network/apache/apache.desc: 
06:20 < CIA-7> * updated apache (2.2.2 -> 2.2.3)
06:20 < CIA-7> * security update: CVE-2006-3747
06:20 < morfoh> moin Baldzius :)
06:20 < morfoh> ol'vandal :)
06:22 < Baldzius> :)
07:25 < CIA-7> aldas * r18796 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.desc: * updated fox (1.6.6 -> 1.6.10)
07:43 < CIA-7> aldas * r18797 /trunk/package/network/dbus/dbus.desc: * updated dbus (0.62 -> 0.91)
07:57 < CIA-7> aldas * r18798 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgtop/libgtop.desc: * updated libgtop (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
08:04 < rxr> re
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08:07 < Baldzius> hi rxr
08:23 < rxr> I think we rename the version to 6.0 now, right ?
08:37 < shevegen> will that include a new release? :)
08:38 < rxr> shevegen: 2.2 is renamed 6.0
08:38 < morfoh> rxr: why this huge jump ?
08:38 < rxr> and yes the stable series will see the final release the next days
08:39 < rxr> morfoh: as discussed on IRC and RFCed on the list due rock linux claiming v3.0
08:39 < rxr> it would be unwise if we release a technical superior product with 2.2
08:39 < rxr> also we have nearly all from their 4.0 TODO, thus a v > 4.0 makes sense
08:40 < rxr> using the release year - 2000 as Ubuntu does brings us to 6.0 which indicates t2 progress since rock fork quite good
08:42 < rxr> btw. last night you wrote the handbook would be a bit outdated, maybe you have missed the list mail that we updated the book just some days ago ,-)
08:43 < morfoh> rxr: no doubt that there is a huge progress in t2 compared to rock ... but rock is rock ... 
08:43  * rxr off getting milk for coffee ,-)
08:43 < rxr> morfoh: yes, but we should do our best to promote T2 to people that do not know rock vs. t2 history
08:43 < rxr> when they compare right now it looks like rock is newer
08:44 < rxr> where infact it has 1000 packages less, nearly each package is (often majorly) outdated and they use gcc 4.0, glibc 2.3, X11R6 and what not
08:44 < rxr> and some old gnome like 2.8 or so ...
08:45 < rxr> thus we should not make ourself look older than we are beeing so shiny with the version number we stick on it
08:45  * rxr relly of for milk now ,-)
08:45 < shevegen> well it would be nice if there would be a brief history on the website, when i saw T2 on distrowatch month ago i didnt even know rocklinux
08:45 < shevegen> *months
08:48 < morfoh> rxr: btw, I noticed a change of the handbook, but just due to broken mail links within the document
08:49 < morfoh> I found them yesterday evening or so ... 
08:50 < morfoh> but I'm still not fuly convinced of that huge version jump ... and afaik rock will just increase major versions now to indicate non-compatibility
08:55 < morfoh> but besides that ... I have to admit that a connection with the year has sth. nice ... but I'd like to avoid the comparison with rock ... as you said, there are a lot of things in pro of T2 compared to rock and I think it's more a matter to show it clearly 
08:56 < morfoh> ok ... folks. I've to go now ... cu later ;)
09:04 < rxr> re
09:04 < rxr> cu morfoh 
09:04 < rxr> shevegen: there is history info on the t2 page
09:05 < rxr> shevegen: but you are free to submit more/better text
09:05 < rxr> morfoh: what mail links are broken in the book?
09:05 < rxr> I would like to fix them ,-)
09:08 < CIA-7> rene * r18799 /trunk/package/base/linux26/sparc64-fp-emu.patch: 
09:08 < CIA-7> * imported sparc64 64bit multiplication FP emulation patch that just
09:08 < CIA-7>  dropped in my inbox. This fixes dietlibc lua on sparc64 since
09:08 < CIA-7>  in absense of FP emulation dietlibc libm relies on kernel trap
09:08 < CIA-7>  emulation of certain intructions sadly not implemented in sparc64
09:08 < CIA-7>  silicon.
09:08 < rxr> Baldzius: -^ 6.0 candidate
09:09 < rxr> shevegen: http://www.t2-project.org/about.html
09:18 < rxr> gsmp.tfh-berlin.de now has a cooler name: osiris.tfh-berlin.de
09:18 < rxr> I already changed it in the T2 mirror multiplexer
10:13 < shevegen> well the only info i seem to be able to extract from there is that it was a fork from rock :)
10:13 < shevegen> its a little bit difficult to gauge the differences between the two from the info on the page ;)
10:16 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/2.1.html
10:16 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/2.2.html
10:40 < rxr> but we could create a dedicated t2 ahead of rock page if that would help ,-)
10:45 < shevegen> hehe yeah
10:45 < shevegen> dump the IRC stuff you wrote in it :P will be fastest page ever created
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10:50 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
10:58 < CIA-7> rene * r18800 /trunk/package/textproc/tetex/tetex.postinstall: * added tetex.postinstall to run texhash updating certain TeX cache files
10:59 < rxr> Baldzius: after testing r18800 is needed in 6.0
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11:01 < rxr> Baldzius: we also need to coordinate 2.2 -> 6.0 branch renaming so svn up will not delete out checkouts
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11:22 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 13 15:03:53 2006]
11:22 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 6.0 Branched! - trunk going for 7.0 | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
11:33 < Baldzius> rxr: ack
11:49 < CIA-7> rene * r18801 /branches/6.0/: * copied the 2.2 branch to 6.0
11:51 < CIA-7> rene * r18802 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * updated trunk version to 7.0-trunk
11:52 < CIA-7> rene * r18803 /branches/6.0/scripts/parse-config: * updated branches/6.0 version to 6.0
12:23 < CIA-7> aldas * r18804 /branches/6.0/package/network/apache/apache.desc: 
12:23 < CIA-7> * merged r18795 from trunk to branches/6.0:
12:23 < CIA-7>  updated apache (2.2.2 -> 2.2.3)
12:23 < CIA-7>  security update: CVE-2006-3747
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13:45 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/76098
13:45 < rxr> ^- ATi blocks releasing a 600 lines code mod to the radeon driver to support 2D of R500 cards ...
13:46 < shevegen> well
13:47 < shevegen> they dont want linux to succeed :>
13:49 < rxr> Apple Newton vs Samsung Q1 UMPC
13:49 < rxr> http://digitalliving.cnet.co.uk/specials/0,39030785,49282099,00.htm
14:32 < CIA-7> rene * r18805 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in: * added ethtool to the 00-minimal selection
14:50 < rxr> so, fixed yet another bug in the photo gallery software I choose to use ...
14:53 < rxr> I rewrote 40% of that gallery fluff by now ... :-((
15:03 < CIA-7> susan * r18806 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 4 dirs): * added more suitable text for bootloader in stone
15:04 < rxr> Baldzius: I would nominate the above for 6.0
15:04 < rxr> but susan is working on more usability improvements in the boot loader stone modules, you can wait some hours with merging
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15:31 < rxr> welcome idealm 
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15:31 < idealm> hi rxr
15:55 < CIA-7> rene * r18807 /trunk/target/desktop/etc_profile.patch: 
15:55 < CIA-7> * reworked desktop target history patch, also enable removal of
15:55 < CIA-7>  duplicate history entries
15:55 < LMJ> moin moin
15:55 < rxr> moin moin LMJ ,-)
15:55 < LMJ> how are you ?
15:57 < LMJ> I have an error during the eclipse compilation : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Ap5tXQ49.html    Any ideas ?
16:01 < rxr> .oO
16:02 < rxr> sorry no idea, never built it myself...
16:02 < rxr> you have java installed ?
16:02 < LMJ> yes
16:03 < LMJ> black-something
16:03 < LMJ> Packages scheduled to build: jikes kaffe apache-ant eclipse     
16:03 < LMJ> eclipse failed
16:04 < rxr> best poke misl or mnemoc
16:05 < CIA-7> rene * r18808 /trunk/target/desktop/etc_profile.patch: 
16:05 < CIA-7> * improved the new desktop bash configuration to erasedups instead
16:05 < CIA-7>  of ignoredups and also vastly increase the history size limit
16:08 < LMJ> ok, thanks
16:08 < LMJ> damned, they are off :-/
16:08 < LMJ> so, you switched to version 6
16:09 < rxr> yep, that version number rocks ,-)
16:10 < LMJ> I don't really understand why this choice, since t2 make 2 released 2.1(.xxx) & and soon 2.2
16:10 < shevegen> new logo too? or will the T2 image remain
16:12 < LMJ> IMHO, if i had to switch version, i will downgraded to "version 0.2.1" or "version 0.2.2"     or better   make like Ubuntu, talk more about Name then Version (Dapper Drake for 6.06) and so on
16:12 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/t2-logo-medium.png
16:12 < rxr> shevegen: you mean this one? that is new, already.
16:13 < shevegen> well i know that one, i thought its denoting T2-version :)
16:13 < rxr> formerly it was the ugly, greeny: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=t2
16:13 < shevegen> ah i recall that green one as well
16:13 < shevegen> with the T naming i have to think of the T1000 in terminator 2 ;)
16:18 < rxr> yeah T2 is one ,-))
16:27 < rxr> shevegen: if you come up with a better logo we are of course very happy ,-)
16:32 < shevegen> hehe not sure if "better" is possible for me, cuz my artistic capabilites are very limited (to gimp tutorials :P), but I'll give it a try when its cooler here (some hours), even if only to have you guys laughing at something for today :-)
17:13 < CIA-7> susan * r18809 /trunk/package/printing/foomatic-db/ (. foomatic-db.cache foomatic-db.desc): * added foomatic-db (3.0-20060728) - Foomatic is a system for integrating free software printer drivers
17:13 < CIA-7> susan * r18810 /trunk/package/printing/foomatic-filters/ (. foomatic-filters.cache foomatic-filters.desc): * added foomatic-filters (3.0-20060728) - Foomatic filter convert PostScript data into printer's native format
17:14 < CIA-7> susan * r18811 /trunk/package/printing/epson-alc1100/ (. epson-alc1100.cache epson-alc1100.desc): * added epson-alc1100 (1.0) - Rasterizer for Epson AcuLaser C1100
17:36 < rxr> cu later
18:10 < CIA-7> chris * r18812 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.10 -> 0.9.10.1)
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18:30 < CIA-7> chris * r18813 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.10.1 -> 0.9.10.2)
18:49 < CIA-7> chris * r18814 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/prewikka.desc: * updated prewikka (0.9.5 -> 0.9.6)
19:22 < rxr> re
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20:51 < CIA-7> aldas * r18815 /branches/6.0/package/x11/fox/ (config.hlp config.in fox.conf fox.desc): 
20:51 < CIA-7> * merged r18143, 18796 from trunk to branches/6.0:
20:51 < CIA-7>  updated fox (1.6.4 -> 1.6.10)
20:52 < CIA-7> aldas * r18816 /branches/6.0/package/gnome2/libgtop/libgtop.desc: 
20:52 < CIA-7> * merged r18798 from trunk to branches/6.0:
20:52 < CIA-7>  updated libgtop (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
20:57 < CIA-7> aldas * r18817 /branches/6.0/package/base/linux26/sparc64-fp-emu.patch: 
20:57 < CIA-7> * merged r18799 from trunk to branches/6.0
20:57 < CIA-7>  imported sparc64 64bit multiplication FP emulation patch
20:59 < CIA-7> aldas * r18818 /branches/6.0/package/textproc/tetex/tetex.postinstall: 
20:59 < CIA-7> * merged r18800 from trunk to branches/6.0:
20:59 < CIA-7>  added tetex.postinstall to run texhash updating certain TeX
20:59 < CIA-7>  cache files
21:01 < CIA-7> aldas * r18819 /branches/6.0/target/generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in: 
21:01 < CIA-7> * merged r18805 from trunk to branches/6.0:
21:01 < CIA-7>  added ethtool to the 00-minimal selection
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21:28 < rxr> hi Baldzius 
21:29 < Baldzius> hi
21:29 < Baldzius> i thought you are sleeping :)
21:30 < Baldzius> what about r18806:18808 ? merge these?
21:30 < rxr> nope, fine tuning exact-image's edisplay
21:32 < rxr> Baldzius: ack
21:32 < rxr> susan wants to sanitze the boot loader stuff more
21:32 < rxr> but that needs some more time
21:32 < rxr> maybe the weekend
21:32 < rxr> but wait a bit with the desktop patch since it is untested in a full build
21:32 < rxr> Baldzius: you do not need to merge the print driver stuff susan packaged
21:33 < rxr> they build but they do not yet really work in t2
21:33 < rxr> she is still debugging this
21:33 < rxr> we have those damn printers in the new office
21:33 < Baldzius> i wasn't going to do that :)
21:33 < rxr> she even installed fedora core for a test
21:33 < rxr> on fedora core this damn drivers stuff works
21:33 < rxr> with the same cups version
21:33 < Baldzius> :/
21:33 < rxr> on t2 there is no error but nothing comes out of the printer
21:33 < rxr> really strange
21:34 < rxr> she will have fun ,-)
21:34 < Baldzius> yeah :)
21:35 < rxr> ppc32 building fine
21:35 < rxr> as expected
21:36 < Baldzius> no ipconfig error?
21:36 < rxr> not built yet
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21:37 < rxr> hi sepp 
21:38 < rxr> sepp: still using exact-image ? edisplay got some polishing today
21:38 < sepp> hello ;)
21:38 < rxr> mouse image panning, centered zoom and other zooming fixes
21:38 < sepp> i changed my mc to use edisplay
21:39 < sepp> but i would like if alien things like jpeg2k would be optional!
21:40 < rxr> it is optional
21:40 < rxr> in the SVN trunk of exact-image even more is optional
21:40 < rxr> but jasper long has been
21:40 < sepp> ohh - seems i have an old version here
21:41 < rxr> ok - /me crawling to bed
21:41 < sepp> sleep well rxr ;)
21:41 < rxr> Baldzius: I just checked the desktop bash history patchery really applies in 6.0
21:41 < rxr> feel free to merge ,-)
21:41 < rxr> n8
21:41 < Baldzius> gn8
21:43 < sepp> if you have a *64 cpu merge the lib64 changes :)
21:44 < Baldzius> sepp: i wish i had :/
21:45 < Baldzius> but if like you can merge :)
21:45 < sepp> your xenon has no emt64?
21:45 < sepp> or whatever the intel name was
21:45 < Baldzius> no
21:46 < Baldzius> i guess it's named something like that
21:46 < Baldzius> not a huge fan of Intel
21:47 < Baldzius> especially when they change the naming of processors
21:50 < CIA-7> aldas * r18820 /branches/6.0/package/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
21:50 < CIA-7> * merged r18806 from trunk to branches/6.0:
21:50 < CIA-7>  added more suitable text for bootloader in stone
21:51 < sepp> x86 is evil enough, i have not bought a intel cpu since 1998 or so
21:54 < Baldzius> :)
21:56 < CIA-7> aldas * r18821 /branches/6.0/target/desktop/etc_profile.patch: 
21:56 < CIA-7> * merged r18807, r18808 from trunk to branches/6.0:
21:56 < CIA-7>  reworked desktop target history patch, also enable removal of
21:56 < CIA-7>  duplicate history entries
21:56 < CIA-7>  improved the new desktop bash configuration to erasedups
21:56 < CIA-7>  instead of ignoredups and also vastly increase the history size limit
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