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06:30 < rxr> re
06:35 < pmjdebruijn> good morning
06:36 < pmjdebruijn> I looked briefly over the docs
06:36 < pmjdebruijn> but I can't find a package selection menu
06:36 < pmjdebruijn> only a package 'rules' section
06:42 < pmjdebruijn> I'm downloading my tarballs now, I see dietlibc being downloaded... does that mean it's going to be compiled/used as well?
06:48 < rxr> when you Download -required it only fetches what will be used, yes
06:48 < rxr> the Config only allows package rules, not a menu to select them on/off individually :-(
06:49 < rxr> when you built something predefined in T2 dieltibc is normally used for some minimal binaries e.g. .those used in the initrd to keep the size down ...
06:53 < rxr> LMJ: I asked if you have a build.sh but you have none ,-)
06:54 < rxr> you need one, it controls the build
06:54 < rxr> cp target/desktop/build.sh  target/netstation/
06:55 < rxr> ^- LMJ 
06:55 < rxr> then T2 builds your package selection ,-)))
06:55 < pmjdebruijn> rxr, I don't want an initrd
06:55 < pmjdebruijn> I also noticed that T2 wants to be root
06:55 < pmjdebruijn> is that absolutely neseccary?
06:56 < pmjdebruijn> I'm basically want to 'cross-build' from i386 to i386
06:56 < CIA-7> ragnar * r18561 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-input-sample/fix-includes.patch: * fix one duplicate cpp definition and include order for xf86-input-sample
06:57 < _Ragnar_> pmjdebruijn: is basically is, for the mount --bind that the chroot uses
06:57 < rxr> pmjdebruijn: well, for a cross build you could build as normal user, but right now you will get incorrect permissions then ...
06:57 < pmjdebruijn> rxr, could fakeroot fix that?
06:57 < rxr> motivation was not too high to inject something fakeroot alike
06:58 < rxr> also for cross builds we ca not yet build all packages, e.g. kde or other overly complex stuff
06:58 < pmjdebruijn> Is there a list of packages which build against uclibc?
06:58 < rxr> do you just want to build the easy to cross build embedded stuff ?
06:58 < rxr> I think alot builds with uclibc, I think someone even built gnome/kde with it ...
06:58 < pmjdebruijn> rxr, yes
06:58 < pmjdebruijn> rxr, but buildroot doesn't suffice
06:59 < rxr> pmjdebruijn: maybe first give a t2 default build a try and when you like it work on "build as normal user" ... ?
06:59 < pmjdebruijn> I need php,perl,mysql,openldap-clients
07:00 < pmjdebruijn> rxr, 'Build as normal user' ???
07:01 < rxr> non root user
07:01 < pmjdebruijn> oh
07:04 < pmjdebruijn> I'm also missing some packages in the /package dir
07:06 < rxr> what packages ?
07:07 < pmjdebruijn> for example php
07:08 < pmjdebruijn> rxr, how does the package selection rules system actually work?
07:08 < rxr> we have php, why do you miss it ?
07:08 < rxr> the rules work like
07:08 < rxr> select: X pkg-name
07:08 < rxr> deselect: O pkg-name
07:09 < rxr> and can use patterns such as all of kde:
07:09 < rxr> X kde/*
07:09 < pmjdebruijn> ah, right
07:09 < pmjdebruijn> well I don't have a /package/php directory
07:15 < pmjdebruijn> hmm damn, the package list isn't even sorted
07:18 < rxr> which package list?
07:18 < rxr> php is in package/develop/php
07:18 < pmjdebruijn> oh 'develop', silly me
07:18 < rxr> the package list shown in the config or in the saved file is sorted by build priority due dependencies
07:18 < pmjdebruijn> rxr, right
07:19 < rxr> all packages are sorted into a "repository"
07:19 < rxr> you cah use ls package/*/pkg-name or just ./misc/archive/Find.sh what-you-are-looking-for to locate it
07:20 < rxr> Find.sh also seraches in the description text ...
07:28 < pmjdebruijn> ok, thanks
07:29 < rxr> your welcome
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07:50 < rxr> pmjdebruijn: what is your current impression of t2 ?
07:53 < pmjdebruijn> rxr, well, to be honest, package selection is crap at best
07:53 < pmjdebruijn> it looks nice overall
07:54 < pmjdebruijn> but doesn't seem really fit for my purposes
07:55 < rxr> well, the package selection is done this way because you normally predefine them in the target
07:55 < rxr> e.g. your custom-embeded whatever thing and using some pattern expression was logical there
07:55 < rxr> of course it does not please end-users that want to click on their gnome packages ... ,-I
07:56 < rxr> your purpose is cross build with uclibc php and ldap ++, right? t2 shouldl be able to do this
08:03 < rxr> ok, I have to go
08:03 < rxr> cu then
08:17 < pmjdebruijn> later
08:19 < LMJ> moin moin 
08:26 < LMJ> ping rxr ?
08:43 < rxr> poing
08:45 < LMJ> paf ,
08:45 < LMJ> ?
08:45 < LMJ> ;)
08:45 < LMJ> Just to know if you found a bug in my pkgsel or so ?
08:46 < rxr> I have not looked at the pkgsel, just tested why the build does not start
08:46 < rxr> with the said build.sh the built start and I stopped it after some packages ,-)))
08:48 < LMJ> where could be my problem
08:49 < rxr> what problem is remaining ?
08:50 < LMJ> i can't start the compilation
08:50 < rxr> I said already you need a build.sh
08:50 < rxr> and I posted that cp target/desktop/build.sh target/netstation/ fixes that
08:51 < LMJ> lol
08:51 < rxr> hm?
08:51 < LMJ> why i don't have it automaticly ?
08:51 < LMJ> it's always like this ?
08:52 < rxr> because you had none in your target ...
08:53 < LMJ> ok
08:53 < LMJ> gonna try right now
08:55 < rxr> it will work ,-)
08:56 < LMJ> oOOoo
08:56 < LMJ> the build started
08:56 < LMJ> glibc btw
08:56 < LMJ> i through it should start with "dirtree"
08:57 < rxr> hm
08:57 < LMJ> nasty LMJ pkgsel ;)
08:57 < rxr> do you have a 00-dirtree?
08:57 < LMJ> ok, it failed
08:57 < LMJ> where ?
08:58 < rxr> in your pkgsel
08:58 < LMJ> no
08:58 < LMJ> i should put it i guess ;)
08:58 < rxr> hm
08:59 < rxr> how did you create your pkgsel ?
08:59 < LMJ> from scratch
08:59 < LMJ> i guess a part of things are missing
08:59 < rxr> do you want it extremly minimal?
08:59 < rxr> if not I would include base/* or so ,-))
09:00 < LMJ> with 2.1.1.1, iirrc, i haven't put it "base/*" nor "dirtree", strange
09:00 < LMJ> well, i took an exemple from sepp
09:00 < LMJ> i removed 2/3 things and added others ;)
09:01 < LMJ> maybe base/* could help
09:01 < CIA-7> rene * r18562 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target: * added a warning to Build-Target for the case of a missing controlling build.sh
09:02 < LMJ> hehe
09:02  * LMJ doing a "svn up"
09:06 < rxr> maybe the semantic of 2.1 differs slightly
09:06 < rxr> I have not used that feature at 2.1 times ...
09:07 < LMJ> maybe that's why i have some errors and important things are missing
09:09 < rxr> but look at your pkgsel thru what expression should they come in ?
09:11 < CIA-7> rene * r18563 /trunk/package/x11/libvncserver/ (libvncserver.desc no-x11vnc.patch): * updated libvncserver (0.8 -> 0.8.2)
09:16 < rxr> I guess I have to closely watch every revision again
09:17 < rxr> x11vnc was disabled and the clean libvncserver vs. x11vnc split removed without a good reason - damn
09:20 < LMJ> gonna include the 00-minimal to be sure ;)
09:23 < rxr> better gcc and binutils likewise ,-)
09:24 < rxr> myabe sepp used some additional mechanism to get those basics ?
09:25 < LMJ> maybe
09:25 < LMJ> maybe i introduced a kind of chaos ;)
09:27 < CIA-7> rene * r18564 /trunk/package/x11/x11vnc/ (system-lib.patch x11vnc.desc): 
09:27 < CIA-7> * updated x11vnc (0.8.1 -> 0.8.2), readded system-lib.patch and
09:27 < CIA-7>  reenabled it, the version in libvncserver is identical to this
09:27 < CIA-7>  one (I diffed it) and we _WANt_ fine grained control whether
09:27 < CIA-7>  to actually build it or not
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09:33 < LMJ> coreutils could be userfull too ;)
09:33 < rxr> definetly ,-))
09:38 < LMJ> linux-headers added ;)
09:40 < rxr> heh
09:40 < rxr> well we have a feature called target inheritance, if you use that some things might be easier for you
09:43 < LMJ> i guess
09:44 < CIA-7> susan * r18565 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (1.4.2 -> 1.4.3)
12:25 < CIA-7> amery * r18566 /trunk/package/base/mktinitrd/ (mktinitrd.cache mktinitrd.desc): * added .cache file to mktinitrd and changed the description text to be 'propper'
12:26 < CIA-7> amery * r18567 /trunk/package/base/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.cache: * added missing .cache file to mkinitrd
13:01 < shevegen> what is target inheritance doing?
14:09 < rxr> pff
14:10 < rxr> shevegen: it is a bit like inheritance in ooo languages
14:10 < rxr> you inherit most stuff from another target and you can add additional stuff
14:11 < shevegen> ah ok
16:14 < Demian> hi
16:46 < CIA-7> amery * r18568 /trunk/package/editors/vim/vim.conf: * fixed vim to install inside the sandbox on stage 1
17:54 < rxr> Baldzius: new koffice ,-)
17:55 < Baldzius> rxr: i know but i can't get it compiled
17:55 < Baldzius> and now 1.5.1 doesn't compile on chroot even
17:55 < Baldzius> what a crap soft
17:56 < Baldzius> rxr: btw unionfs compiled on new build 2.2 branch
17:57 < Baldzius> rxr: maybe you try koffice 1.5.2