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00:02 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.2 Branched! - trunk going for 2.3 | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
00:02 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 13 15:03:53 2006]
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00:02 [ Baldzius] [ idealm] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly] [ _Ragnar__] 
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00:29 < CIA-4> amery * r18086 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/uclibc.conf: * fixed uclibc to honor $SDECFG_STATIC
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07:15 < rxr> moin
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07:28 < morfoh> moin
07:31 < _Lewellyn> hoi
07:31 < morfoh> hoi hoi _Lewellyn ... how are you ? ;)
07:36 < _Lewellyn> ok
08:25 < CIA-4> chris * r18087 /trunk/package/security/yersinia/yersinia.desc: * updated yersinia (0.5.6 -> 0.7)
08:29 < CIA-4> chris * r18088 /trunk/package/develop/libnotify/libnotify.desc: * updated libnotify (0.4.0 -> 0.4.2)
08:36 < CIA-4> aldas * r18089 /branches/2.2/package/mail/sylpheed-claws/sylpheed-claws.desc: 
08:36 < CIA-4> * merged r18069 from trunk to branches/2.2:
08:36 < CIA-4>  updated sylpheed-claws (2.3.0 -> 2.3.1)
08:37 < CIA-4> aldas * r18090 /branches/2.2/package/filesystem/ntfsprogs/ntfsprogs.desc: 
08:37 < CIA-4> * merged r18070 from trunk to branches/2.2:
08:37 < CIA-4>  updated ntfsprogs (1.13.0 -> 1.13.1)
08:37 < morfoh> hi Baldzius ... I'm already build claws ;)
08:37 < Baldzius> hi morfoh :)
08:38 < morfoh> Baldzius: but it seems that there is a minor problem with the ldap plugin of claws
08:38 < morfoh> but I will check that
08:38 < Baldzius> oops :)
08:40 < morfoh> Baldzius: I also updated snort
08:40 < morfoh> but I also have to check some minor issues there
08:42 < Baldzius> :)
08:43 < CIA-4> aldas * r18091 /branches/2.2/package/security/gnupg/ (CVE-2006-3082.patch gnupg.conf gnupg.desc sparc64.patch): 
08:43 < CIA-4> * merged r18072 from trunk to branches/2.2:
08:43 < CIA-4> * security update: added gnupg/CVE-2006-3082.patch
08:43 < CIA-4> * copyright update
09:20 < CIA-4> aldas * r18092 /trunk/package/security/gnupg2/gnupg2.desc: * updated gnupg2 (1.9.20 -> 1.9.21)
09:20 < CIA-4> aldas * r18093 /trunk/package/python/pysqlite2/pysqlite2.desc: * updated pysqlite2 (2.2.2 -> 2.3.1)
09:21 < CIA-4> aldas * r18095 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.15 -> 0.9.16)
09:21 < CIA-4> aldas * r18094 /trunk/package/network/webmin/webmin.desc: * updated webmin (1.270 -> 1.280)
09:24 < morfoh> Baldzius: ok ... the claws ldap issue isn't a problem ... it was just due to some local changes ;)
09:26 < Baldzius> bad morfoh, scared me a lot .. again :) i'll punish you one day :))
09:26  * Baldzius is joking :)
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10:07 < CIA-4> rene * r18096 /trunk/package/sparc/silo/ (cdrom.patch silo.desc): * updated silo (1.4.12 -> 1.4.13)
10:17 < CIA-4> aldas * r18097 /trunk/package/filesystem/xfsprogs/xfsprogs.desc: * updated xfsprogs (2.7.11 -> 2.8.3)
10:48 < morfoh> Baldzius: to avoid duplicated work ... I'm building an updated strongswan for testing
10:53 < Baldzius> :)
10:58 < mnemoc> moin
10:58 < Baldzius> hi mnemoc
11:01 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius 
11:49 < CIA-4> aldas * r18098 /trunk/package/network/mldonkey/mldonkey.desc: * updated mldonkey (2.7.6 -> 2.7.7)
11:53 < sparc-kly> moin all
11:53 < mnemoc> moin sparc-kly 
12:15 < CIA-4> aldas * r18099 /trunk/package/games/typespeed/ (typespeed.conf typespeed.desc): 
12:15 < CIA-4> * updated typespeed (0.4.4 -> 0.5.1)
12:15 < CIA-4> * adapted .conf for new version
12:15 < CIA-4> * changed [D] url
12:15 < CIA-4> * updated copyright notes
12:15 < CIA-4> * security update: CVE-2006-1515
12:34 < CIA-4> aldas * r18100 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.desc: * updated ndiswrapper (1.17 -> 1.18)
12:37 < CIA-4> amery * r18101 /trunk/ (21 files in 3 dirs): * updated dietlibc (0.29 -> 0.30)
12:38 < mnemoc> F*! lvm2 and nullmaler incomplete fixing went there :(
12:43 < rxr> I hope you reviewed every line of that commit
12:44 < mnemoc> mostly, and tested on amd p3 and opteron
12:44 < mnemoc> feel free to test it on the other archs you have available
12:47 < rxr> why have'nt yout rediffed the putenv  patch?
12:47 < rxr> it was only merged incompletly upstream
12:48 < mnemoc> i thought fefe had have reasons to do so
12:49 < rxr> thinking and checking are two diffent kinds of things
12:49 < rxr> have you tested if udev still works completely with the dietlibc ?
12:49 < rxr> I doubt without that putenv patch
12:49 < mnemoc> where did i commit?
12:49 < mnemoc> TRUNK
12:50 < mnemoc> what's the version of trunk? 2.3-trunk!
12:50 < rxr> mnemoc: you are not suppost to commit total crap into trunk
12:50 < mnemoc> it's not total crap
12:50 < rxr> that is why rocklinux never worked out, because trunk always was broken
12:50 < rxr> when we continue this way we have 1year stabilization perions in t2 as well
12:51 < mnemoc> because putenv?
12:51 < rxr> that was just the most obvious pointer, and when udev does not really work you have a lot to debug until your system works again these days
12:52 < mnemoc> like your update of lvm which destroyed one of my servers
12:52 < rxr> noone forced you to rush a dietlibc update out when the new version not even made it to the main page of fefes homepage nor the mailing list
12:52 < rxr> which update was that ?
12:52 < rxr> what comes next, udev update from your side ?
12:53 < mnemoc> rxr: there are lot of things on t2 2.1 which don't work on 2.2, but it was considered the working parts where a good reason for a release
12:53 < mnemoc> the same happens here
12:54 < mnemoc> this has good things compared to the previous version
12:54 < mnemoc> and i was able to build mnemosyne embedded on three different architectures equailly successfuly than before
12:54 < rxr> that does not mean not rediffing accuratly or letting the maintainer of the package who knows half of dietlibc off the head to perform that work
12:54 < mnemoc> so for me it's a good update
12:54 < mnemoc> if something was wrong, FIX IT
12:54 < rxr> you never further elaborated what stuff from 2.1 do not work on 2.2 (beside missing devfs)
12:55 < rxr> beside I still wonder what thing should broke your server
12:56 < mnemoc> r17160 | rene | 2006-04-21 05:31:45 +0000 (Fri, 21 Apr 2006) | 2 lines
12:56 < mnemoc> * updated device-mapper (1.02.00 -> 1.02.05)
12:56 < mnemoc> that *destroyed* the volumes of one of my servers
12:57 < rxr> I'm not responsible for any upstream breakage
12:58 < CIA-4> aldas * r18102 /trunk/package/network/ipsec-tools/ (checkpointVPNquirk.patch ipsec-tools.desc): 
12:58 < CIA-4> * updated ipsec-tools (0.6.5 -> 0.6.6)
12:58 < CIA-4> * added missing copyright note
12:58 < rxr> what was a normal update
12:59 < mnemoc> i'll fix any new regression introduced with the update i just did. when will you do the same with the broken packages because of the gcc version?
13:00 < rxr> of what? gcc-4.1 ß
13:00 < rxr> ?
13:01 < mnemoc> on... qemu and openoffice for example
13:03 < rxr> pah, you are arguing like a child crying for his comforter
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13:04 < rxr> I do extraordinary work on ROCK/T2 for years, constantly, I do most to nearly all the real base work and you want me to not only fixed most but all of the crappy coded packages instead of someone from the community doing it for the stuff this community uses ?
13:04 < rxr> I even already did work on ooo and patched qemu to no extend
13:04 < rxr> qemu is broken since ages and that is their crap code
13:04 < rxr> but stop trolling around here
13:05 < mnemoc> who started?
13:05 < rxr> you, by senseless patching
13:06 < mnemoc> i tested on my usecases, successfully. you have enough time before the stabilization phase of 2.3 to do the same
13:07 < rxr> my plan is not to let trunk rott again as ususlly done by all the uncommunicated work people historically thrown into it
13:07 < rxr> you both cry for more communication so far I only see me sticking to that
13:07 < mnemoc> i?
13:07 < rxr> you could have even posted a "hey there is a new diet" to the list or so ...
13:08 < rxr> in fact I even noticed the ChangeLog change in the dietlibc CVS, but _wanted to wait_ until it is officially announced ....
13:08 < mnemoc> the mail was 50% written when you started screaming
13:08 < rxr> usually communication should starte before action
13:09 < mnemoc> as you do?
13:09 < mnemoc> rxr: feel free to revert it if it makes you that unconfortable
13:10 < mnemoc> rxr: for me it's ok as it is
13:10 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, did you review the ML of device-mapper before updating it?
13:10 < rxr> discussion which patches need rediffing and properly merging putenv.patch would have made mode sense
13:11 < rxr> have you reviewed the mailing list dietlibc ?
13:11 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
13:11 < rxr> and why did you commit then when there are outstanding patches that might make it into 0.30 ?
13:12 < rxr> and normally device-mapper does not break
13:14 < mnemoc> rxr: i really doubt those missing patches get on this release
13:22 < rxr> I think with that dietlibc udev will not even link
13:25 < mnemoc> revert it
13:30 < rxr> who speaks about reverting
13:31 < rxr> the same as the openssh thing you reverted before the case was actually discussed
13:31 < rxr> I'm only talking about obvious stuff that gor broken and the lack of communicaton and you throw the revert hammer just in case
13:32 < rxr> as I expected:
13:32 < rxr> !>   /usr/dietlibc/lib-ppc64/libcompat.a(clearenv.o):(.toc+0x0): undefined referen
13:32 < rxr> !>   ce to `origenv'
13:32 < rxr> !>   collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
13:32 < rxr> !>   /usr/dietlibc/lib-ppc64/libc.a(vsnprintf.o):(.text+0x60): warning: warning: t
13:32 < rxr> !>   he printf functions add several kilobytes of bloat.
13:32 < rxr> I'll fix the ovious putenv patch and hope the best for the rest
14:10 < CIA-4> aldas * r18104 /trunk/package/office/aqbanking/aqbanking.desc: * updated aqbanking (2.0.0 -> 2.1.0)
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14:11 < CIA-4> aldas * r18105 /trunk/package/security/libchipcard2/libchipcard2.desc: * updated libchipcard2 (2.1.4 -> 2.1.6)
14:27 < CIA-4> aldas * r18103 /trunk/package/office/qbankmanager/ (qbankmanager.desc uic.patch): 
14:27 < CIA-4> * updated qbankmanager (0.9.37 -> 0.9.38)
14:27 < CIA-4> * removed uic.patch - obsolete
14:27 < CIA-4> aldas * r18106 /trunk/package/develop/gwenhywfar/gwenhywfar.desc: * updated gwenhywfar (2.2.0 -> 2.3.0)
14:28 < CIA-4> rene * r18107 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/ (clearenv.patch putenv.patch): 
14:28 < CIA-4> * fixed dietlibc update to have a functional clearenv again, since I
14:28 < CIA-4>  rediffed as minimal invasive the control flow is slightly different
14:28 < CIA-4>  and needs new in-depth testing (e.g. with u/dev - though now it
14:28 < CIA-4>  at least links and runs again)
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14:32 < rxr> moin idealm_ 
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14:34 < idealm_> hi rxr. Do you watch FIFA?
14:39 < valentin> hi idealm_, no cooperate identities of sucking cooperations here, pls. just say football :)
14:40 < shevegen> hehe
14:40 < idealm_> valentin: :)
14:41 < valentin> corporate even
14:46 < rxr> soccer
14:46 < rxr> hi valentin 
15:05 < CIA-4> aldas * r18108 /trunk/package/security/shorewall/shorewall.desc: * updated shorewall (3.0.4 -> 3.0.8)
15:12 < CIA-4> aldas * r18109 /trunk/package/multimedia/libtheora/libtheora.desc: * updated libtheora (1.0alpha6 -> 1.0alpha7)
15:14 < CIA-4> amery * r18110 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/patches/pkg_grep.patch: * removed obsolete patch used to build grep against dietlibc
15:49 < CIA-4> aldas * r18111 /trunk/package/network/bluez-firmware/bluez-firmware.desc: * updated bluez-firmware (1.0 -> 1.2)
15:49 < CIA-4> aldas * r18112 /trunk/package/network/bluez-hcidump/bluez-hcidump.desc: * updated bluez-hcidump (1.25 -> 1.31)
15:49 < CIA-4> aldas * r18113 /trunk/package/network/bluez-libs/bluez-libs.desc: * updated bluez-libs (2.21 -> 3.1)
15:50 < CIA-4> aldas * r18114 /trunk/package/network/bluez-utils/ (bluez-utils.conf bluez-utils.desc hcid.init sdpd.init): 
15:50 < CIA-4> * updated bluez-utils (2.21 -> 3.1)
15:50 < CIA-4> * updated copyright notes
16:26 < morfoh> re
16:26 < mnemoc> wb morfoh 
16:26 < morfoh> thx mnemoc 
16:27 < morfoh> rxr: what was the reason that you ranted against me today ?
16:29 < rxr> where?
16:33 < rxr> did my objective comments regarding your list post clouded your crytalball?
16:40 < morfoh> rxr: no ... in fact I was very thankful for your answers ... and I already was writing an answer including my "thank you" ... but remember! you are ranting that you, the "extraordanary" maintainer, want to be informed before an update ... but when did you asked me before you deleted a package I added ? your duoble standards are at least as discusting as your ego!
16:41 < rxr> and where was that a flame against you then ??
16:41 < rxr> maybe you are just a bit over stressed and should keep everything a bit looser?
16:44 < rxr> not just that updating dietlibc and breaking u/dev was such a good thing (tm)
16:45 < rxr> anyway I do not really have time for such stuff today
16:51 < LMJ> moin moin
16:51 < rxr> moin LMJ 
16:52 < LMJ> moin rxr 
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16:53 < rxr> hi sparc-kly 
16:54 < sparc-kly> hi :)
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17:11 < _Ragnar__> hi hi
17:12 < rxr> hi _Ragnar__ 
17:12 < _Ragnar__> hi rene
17:24 < CIA-4> amery * r18115 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/uclibc.conf: * fixed uclibc to not install any asm-* include dir from the kernel
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19:28 < CIA-4> aldas * r18116 /branches/2.2/package/security/gnupg2/gnupg2.desc: 
19:28 < CIA-4> * merged r18092 from trunk to branches/2.2:
19:28 < CIA-4>  updated gnupg2 (1.9.20 -> 1.9.21)
19:31 < CIA-4> aldas * r18117 /branches/2.2/package/filesystem/xfsprogs/xfsprogs.desc: 
19:31 < CIA-4> * merged r18097 from trunk branches/2.2:
19:31 < CIA-4>  updated xfsprogs (2.7.11 -> 2.8.3)
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19:38 < CIA-4> aldas * r18118 /branches/2.2/package/games/typespeed/ (typespeed.conf typespeed.desc): 
19:38 < CIA-4> * merged r18099 from trunk to branches/2.2:
19:38 < CIA-4>  updated typespeed (0.4.4 -> 0.5.1)
19:38 < CIA-4>  security update: CVE-2006-1515
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20:31 < CIA-7> rene * r18119 /trunk/package/develop/arena/ (. arena.cache arena.conf arena.desc): * added arena (0.9.4) - A light-weight C-like scripting language
20:42 < CIA-7> rene * r18120 /trunk/package/develop/lua/lua.desc: * updated lua (5.1 -> 5.1.1)
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20:49 < rxr> wb sparc-kly 
20:49  * sparc-kly return from work :) 
20:49 < CIA-7> aldas * r18121 /trunk/package/graphic/xchm/xchm.desc: * updated xchm (1.8 -> 1.9)
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