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02:50 < keinek> hi again.
02:50 < keinek> hey guys why the desktop version of RC, the routes for the medias devices are diferent ?
02:51 < keinek> in 2.1 in /mnt i have all done.
02:51 < keinek> some change?
02:53 < keinek> why /dev/disc is not anymore???
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06:32 < _Ragnar__> nini
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07:44 < mipe_> is there somewhere a list of packages included in 2.2-rc
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09:10 < karasz> moin moin
09:11 < rxr> moin karasz 
09:22 < karasz> hello rxr
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09:27 < morfoh> moin
09:29 < karasz> moin kommrad
09:30 < morfoh> moin tavarish ;)
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09:48 < rxr> mipe_: you asked for packages in 2.2, mostly that is http://www.t2-project.org/packages/
09:48 < rxr> mipe_: or do you need "exactly" 2.2.0-rc ?
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09:55 < acehunky> hi mnemoc
10:00 < mipe_> rxr: yep, but i grepped the index located in iso dir
10:00 < mipe_> so i found what i needed
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10:07 < acehunky> hi morfoh
10:14 < rxr> mipe_: ah ,-)
10:14 < rxr> mipe_: nice to see you back
10:16 < morfoh> hi acehunky 
10:16 < morfoh> hi rxr 
10:17 < rxr> moin morfoh 
10:18 < acehunky> morfoh is mnemoc around ?
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10:29 < rxr> morfoh: reading your last nights post I find it quite unsocial to blame trunk/2.2, especially to all the people working hard on the trunk and no packages to fix from you
10:29 < rxr> that desktop builds so well mostly shows people using that made sure it builds
10:31 < rxr> I'm a bit perplex to see you talk that negative about the project you want to be involved in 
10:31 < morfoh> rxr: sorry, but I don't know what you're interpreting all the time, I wasn't blaming anyone ... you should stop watching in your crytal ball ...
10:32 < morfoh> rxr: and it's obvious that god@t2 has some interests to force some people out of the project
10:32 < morfoh> /crytal/crystal/
10:34 < rxr> morfoh: I do not look into a crystal ball when you say:
10:34 < rxr> 23:50 < keinek_> you guys do a good work with 2.2
10:34 < rxr> 23:51 < morfoh> unfortunately we jut can say that about the packages included
10:34 < rxr>                 within the desktop target ... there is some broken stuff within
10:34 < rxr>                 the rc but you don't notice because it's not on the target you
10:34 < rxr>                 build
10:35 < morfoh> and if it's not possible to discuss project related issues even critically here ... what kind of opensource project t2 is without showing democratic _and_ social behavior
10:35 < rxr> morfoh: that I want to force someout of t2 is very new to me, oviously you look into crystal balls in that case
10:35 < morfoh> rxr: sorry ... but we all know that it makes no sense to discuss with you in that kind of way 
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10:37 < rxr> morfoh: this is total nonsense, the only poeple that continously speak uncivil here are others
10:38 < morfoh> rxr: try to give "others" a name :)
10:39 < rxr> with whom am I talking right now, hm ?
10:41 < morfoh> rxr: how should I know that ? you are the crystall ball specialist :)
10:42 < rxr> morfoh: and now you continue to unload your continous senseless talk here
10:44 < rxr> morfoh: if you do not like t2 anymore, for whatever reasons I do not know, aside you started to be an asshole to me since I invested nearly 3000 EUR into mnemoc, then better contribute to other project but do not get on our nerves
10:45 < morfoh> rxr: did I ever called you asshole ? thanks ...
10:45 < morfoh> rxr: why are you talking in plural ?
10:46 < rxr> because you get on many nerves here, not only me
10:46 < rxr> so - /me away
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10:48 < morfoh> rxr: but please let the others speak by their own :)
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10:54  * Lucifer_arma is away: doesn't want to talk to Luke-Jr
10:57 < acehunky> peace guys !
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11:00 < rxr> morfoh: either you stalk your ongoing rude talk here or you seek yourself another project for provocation
11:01  * rxr uni
11:02 < morfoh> rxr: 12:53 < rxr> morfoh: if you do not like t2 anymore, for whatever reasons I do  not know, aside you started to be an asshole to me <-- I'd consider this rude
11:03 < morfoh> rxr: but as I said ... it makes no sense to me discussing things like that with you
11:03 < Lucifer_arma> man, you guys can both use a lesson in bad manners over on the armagetron channel.  You see my away message?  That guy,
11:03 < Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr and I, are diametrically opposed in viewpoint on everything
11:04 < Lucifer_arma> there's no civility between us.  :)  Fun stuff.
11:05 < Lucifer_arma> anyway, not trying to make any meaningful commentary.
11:06 < Lucifer_arma> rxr: I'm still working on my article.  It's written, just have to edit it and send it in.  It wound up being 5 pages printed.  Ack!  Too long!
11:06 < Lucifer_arma> in case you were wondering why you hadn't seen it yet.
11:06 < rxr> morfoh: when you are only hostile here you are not wanted here
11:06 < morfoh> rxr: where am I "hostile" ?
11:07 < rxr> morfoh: I pointed it out often enough know, apparently you are not noticing yourself how you changed dramatically over the last months, or we never noticed before, thatever
11:10 < morfoh> rxr: hmmmm ... that's an interesting thesis ... you should try to evaluate other possible theories 
11:11 < rxr> yeah, of course you claim I changed and got an asshole after I could not continously employ mnemoc, but I have enough input to assume I'm fine
11:11 < rxr> your continous t2 bashing while I try to get process and releases contributes to this thesis
11:12 < morfoh> as I stated before ... I never told you an asshole and I'm not bashing t2 !
11:12 < rxr> of course you can annoy me as long s I say t2 is no fun anymore and sign up at vmware or apple, maybe that is what you want and see t2 dieing as rock, whatever
11:12 < morfoh> I have sth. against dictator style
11:13 < rxr> then seek yourself a nice island and fork the rock code base yet again
11:13 < morfoh> rxr: I have no intention on doing that
11:13 < rxr> but do not get on my blood pressure
11:13 < morfoh> rxr: that's only your problem
11:14 < morfoh> rxr: you should learn to become more relaxed 
11:15 < morfoh> rxr: i.e. yoga is a good thing 
11:16 < Lucifer_arma> y'all interested in an unsolicited outsider's point of view?
11:17 < acehunky> umm we got some good yoga training course in india :)
11:17 < morfoh> acehunky: I can imagine :)
11:18 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: I'm allways interested in a birds eye view :)
11:18 < Lucifer_arma> I should warn you, I don't pull punches.  If I have harsh things to say, I will say them, and they will likely be harsh.
11:18 < Lucifer_arma> Still interested?
11:19  * Lucifer_arma browses through his hatemail from Mandrake for his Mandrake 10 review
11:22 < Lucifer_arma> well here goes anyway...
11:22 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: if you want to feel free to drop your notes
11:22 < Lucifer_arma> software development by committee doesn't work--ever.  What I see, then, is rxr asking for opinions and not necessarily getting them, and making a decision with the information he has.
11:23 < Lucifer_arma> I don't know if the information he has is good or not, but he's the Project Lead, right?  You don't follow blindly, of course, but you have to choose whether or not to follow.
11:23 < Lucifer_arma> Every open source project has an evil dictator running it somewhere, and the successful ones have as their evil dictator someone who's decisive and listens to input
11:23 < Lucifer_arma> but still makes the decision he thinks is best.
11:24 < Lucifer_arma> That's what I see in rxr right now, and I'm very happy to see it.  I like seeing these things in people.  :)  Makes me feel good, you know?
11:24 < Lucifer_arma> morfoh: you're doing a lot of whining without substance.  I say it's without substance because I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about,
11:24 < Lucifer_arma> and I have been here long enough that if there were substance, I would know what you're talking about.
11:24 < Lucifer_arma> I'm not saying your complaints aren't valid, I don't really know because I don't know what they are
11:24 < Lucifer_arma> I'd like to see less whining and more discussion.  You guys are both smart guys, right?
11:25 < Lucifer_arma> Discussion will get you what you want and you will both be happy and wonderful together.  Whining only pisses people off.
11:25 < Lucifer_arma> like I say, I don't know the actual facts, but I'e got a pretty good feel for character.
11:26 < Lucifer_arma> or so I think, anyway.
11:26 < Lucifer_arma> but you should thank your lucky stars you have a strong leader.  seriously.
11:28 < Lucifer_arma> I hope this is helpful and not harmful, and I'm going to try (again) to go to bed
11:28 < Lucifer_arma> sun's rising in my part of the world.  :(
11:44 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: indeed, you have just a fraction of informations and you're right in some way that it deserves strong leadership. But for me there is more connected to a "strong leadership" ... i.e. to be able to learn from mistakes made in the past. and btw ... what kind of sense it make to have a community that will be ask by the "leader" but without any effect because the decission is taken before asking... what kind of "leader" it is who has no r
11:52 < rxr> I ask a lot, because people said here they rather want a 2.2 branch, they get one
11:52 < rxr> I asked about wifi / waln naming, if affected people would have said they like those names, well all fine I do not touch those
11:53 < rxr> same for su & wheel
11:53 < rxr> and a lot more
11:53 < rxr> the logo was the same, not much feedback some suggestions, I incooperated some suggetions, even invested a lot of time at uni for this
11:53 < rxr> and still if sepps cubes become nice we can use them
11:55 < rxr> you are your just beefing without substance here and you do not need to load your personal unbalancedness in this channel
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11:56 < rxr> continously repeating your false clames here brings us no further
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11:58 < morfoh> re hi
11:59 < rxr> 11:56 < rxr> continously repeating your false clames here brings us no further
12:01 < morfoh> rxr: who is owning *THE* *TRUTH* ?
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12:02 < rxr> apparently you try to own it
12:03 < morfoh> rxr: you should really polish your crystall ball :)
12:05 < rxr> morfoh: when you have nothing meaningful you appear to shift to crystal ball storries, heh ?
12:17 < morfoh> rxr: do we wanna play the game the whole day ? I'm just thinking in your blood pressure ... at least I'm not that poor going to insult you using swearwords like you did ... just let's stop with it. I don't want to see the "noble leader" dying on a heart attack ... 
12:20 < rxr> morfoh: stop your FUD, it is you comming up with such stuff ever again, last nights people's success bashing was just the latest incarntion
12:20 < rxr> incarnation
12:21 < rxr> no matter how long you want to claim I would start bailing on you - you should rather look ino some mirror one day
12:27 < morfoh> rxr: I can imagine how it hurts you while you're looking into a mirror ... I was already on the toilet and I can reassure you that I've no problems with myself while looking in a mirror :)
12:30 < rxr> morfoh: wonderful how you ever keep this going, and improve evidence of your FUD storries
12:33 < morfoh> rxr: I don't know what you're talking about, but you seem to have quite good experience in doing that
12:34 < rxr> pffff
12:36 < rxr> nope, but I'm able to recognize it when I see it
12:37 < morfoh> rxr: dam that took a long time
12:41 < rxr> ?
12:43  * sepp hands out 2 pair of boxing gloves and grabs popcorn
12:43 < morfoh> hi sepp ... thx :)
12:43 < morfoh> sepp: and good appetite :)
12:43 < sepp> hello
12:44  * karasz prefferes K1 :(
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13:14 < CIA-7> rene * r17869 /trunk/package/base/linux26/96-usb-hid-apple-kbd-mapping.patch: 
13:14 < CIA-7> * resurrected the 96-usb-hid-apple-kbd-mapping.patch that was
13:14 < CIA-7>  deleted with the r14168 (2.6.14.2 -> 2.6.15-rc6) update when the
13:14 < CIA-7>  surrounding code changed too much, and improved the mapping including
13:14 < CIA-7>  swapping ISO keys on Europen MacBooks
13:17 < CIA-7> rene * r17869 /trunk/package/base/linux26/96-usb-hid-apple-kbd-mapping.patch: 
13:17 < CIA-7> * resurrected the 96-usb-hid-apple-kbd-mapping.patch that was
13:17 < CIA-7>  deleted with the r14168 (2.6.14.2 -> 2.6.15-rc6) update when the
13:17 < CIA-7>  surrounding code changed too much, and improved the mapping including
13:18 < CIA-7>  swapping ISO keys on Europen MacBooks
13:18 < CIA-7> rene * r17870 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvb-firmware/dvb.init: 
13:18 < CIA-7> * hardcoded dvb module loading no longer needed, modules are loaded
13:18 < CIA-7>  automatically
13:18 < CIA-7> rene * r17870 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvb-firmware/dvb.init: 
13:18 < CIA-7> * hardcoded dvb module loading no longer needed, modules are loaded
13:18 < CIA-7>  automatically
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14:05 < karasz> lately i mean at least the last 2 emails regarding svn updates i revieved four times each
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14:08 < mnemoc> i have been receiving them also duplicated
14:08 < karasz> sorry not revieved but recieved.
14:08 < mnemoc> :)
14:08 < morfoh> wb tavarish karasz 
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17:23 < mnemoc> go CR!
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17:37 < rxr> go go go DE
17:37 < sepp> chess chess chess DE
17:37 < _Ragnar__> O_O
17:43 < mnemoc> :(
17:51 < morfoh> where is miguel ? :)
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18:24 < karasz> re
18:24 < morfoh> wb tavarish
18:24 < karasz> thx kommrad
18:24 < karasz> congratulations to whom it may concern ;)
18:25 < mnemoc> lot of drunken^Wgermans celebrating out there
18:26 < laj_> s/\^Wgermans celebrating/people/
18:28 < mnemoc> :p
18:28 < karasz> mnemoc: we two must be silent :(
18:28 < karasz> neither of us managed to get there, so them who managed, well, congrats again.
18:29 < mnemoc> :D
18:29 < karasz> i was refering to participant countries, not persons ofcourse.
18:29 < mnemoc> of course
18:29 < mnemoc> chilean soccer team stinks :(
18:31 < sepp> soccer stinks
18:32 < karasz> isn't that a little harsh?
18:32 < sepp> no :)
18:32  * karasz wonders why soccer always raise the spirits...
18:34 < sepp> because it turns sane ppl into apes jumping in groups around a tv set and makeing strange noise
18:34 < karasz> and other sane ppl in hating those sane ppl :P
18:35 < CIA-7> aldas * r17871 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed-claws/sylpheed-claws.desc: * updated sylpheed-claws (2.2.2 -> 2.2.3)
18:35 < sepp> i hate no one
18:35 < karasz> in some respects soccer is like politics...
18:35 < CIA-7> aldas * r17872 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed/sylpheed.desc: * updated sylpheed (2.2.5 -> 2.2.6)
18:35 < mnemoc> .oO( the ape over here doesn't need a tv set to make strange noises )o
18:35 < karasz> sepp: i didn't imply that you do...
18:38 < CIA-7> aldas * r17873 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.14 -> 0.9.15)
18:38 < CIA-7> aldas * r17874 /trunk/package/gnome2/xchat/xchat.desc: * updated xchat (2.6.2 -> 2.6.4)
18:42 < CIA-7> aldas * r17875 /trunk/package/database/sqlite/sqlite.desc: * updated sqlite (3.3.5 -> 3.3.6)
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20:22 < CIA-7> aldas * r17876 /trunk/package/base/xinetd/ (gcc-4.0.patch xinetd.conf xinetd.desc xinetd.init): 
20:22 < CIA-7> * updated xinetd (2.3.13 -> 2.3.14)
20:22 < CIA-7> * removed gcc-4.0.patch - obsolete
20:22 < CIA-7> * updated copyright
20:23 < CIA-7> aldas * r17877 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/asterisk.desc: 
20:23 < CIA-7> * updated asterisk (1.2.7.1 -> 1.2.9.1)
20:23 < CIA-7> * security update: CVE-2006-2898
20:24 < CIA-7> aldas * r17878 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: 
20:24 < CIA-7> * updated gdm (2.14.7 -> 2.14.8)
20:24 < CIA-7> * security update: CVE-2006-2452
20:44 < rxr_> hi Baldzius 
20:44 -!- You're now known as rxr
20:45 < Baldzius> hi rxr
20:52 < mnemoc> rxr: have you experienced arguments duplication done by `diet` helper?
21:55 < mnemoc> it seems not
21:55 < mnemoc> bbl
22:03 < karasz> cya guys
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