T2 IRC Log: 2006-06-06
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--- Log opened Tue Jun 06 00:00:06 2006
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00:49 < nuambenzina> hello!
00:50 < nuambenzina> from http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.2.0-rc/desktop-x86-pentium-mmx/ dose t2-desktop-2.2.0-rc-.... working?
00:51 < nuambenzina> in my brownser say " Forbidden You don't have permission to access /mirror/t2/stable/2.2.0-rc/desktop-x86-pentium-mmx/t2-desktop-2.2.0-rc-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso on this server. Apache/2.0.53 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.53 OpenSSL/0.9.7 DAV/2 SVN/1.0.3 PHP/4.3.10 Server at gsmp.tfh-berlin.de Port 80 "
00:52 < nuambenzina> for power PC and amd64 athlon it`s working, i mean i can download the .iso-s
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01:01 < nuambenzina> :)
01:01 < nuambenzina> ;)
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06:34 < Lucifer_arma> rxr: turns out there was something really wrong with my config. I made a new config and built it and it's running fine. thanks!
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07:59 < rxr> re
07:59 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: nice !
08:01 [Users #t2]
08:01 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ laj_ ] [ mnemoc] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
08:01 [ Baldzius] [ idealm] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly] [ _Ragnar_]
08:01 [ CIA-3 ] [ karasz] [ Lucifer_arma] [ rxr ] [ tdi ]
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08:23 < CIA-3> aldas * r17835 /trunk/package/multimedia/kino/kino.desc: * updated kino (0.8.1 -> 0.9.0)
08:23 < CIA-3> aldas * r17838 /trunk/package/network/opal/opal.desc: * updated opal (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2)
08:23 < CIA-3> aldas * r17839 /trunk/package/multimedia/ekiga/ekiga.desc: * updated ekiga (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
08:25 < rxr> moin Baldzius
08:25 < Baldzius> hi rxr, do you have a min?
08:25 < CIA-3> aldas * r17836 /trunk/package/filesystem/jfsutils/jfsutils.desc: * updated jfsutils (1.1.10 -> 1.1.11)
08:26 < CIA-3> aldas * r17837 /trunk/package/develop/pwlib/ (pwlib.conf pwlib.desc sasl2-path-fix.patch):
08:26 < CIA-3> * updated pwlib (1.10.0 -> 1.10.1)
08:26 < CIA-3> * updated copyright
08:28 < rxr> Baldzius: yep
08:29 < Baldzius> first: there are some packages with *err extension in 2.2 source tree, can you delete them?
08:29 < rxr> in the source mirror ?
08:30 < Baldzius> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2-source/2.2/h/
08:30 < Baldzius> like htop and ht
08:30 < Baldzius> and i think there could be more
08:31 < Baldzius> it happend due outdated mesh
08:31 < rxr> oh they should not be there, of course
08:32 < rxr> I fix it in a minute
08:32 < rxr> btw. I update linux26 right now
08:32 < Baldzius> *.20?
08:32 < rxr> yep
08:33 < Baldzius> :)
08:33 < Baldzius> me updated it yesterday
08:33 < rxr> oh, really?
08:33 < rxr> damn, we are fast in updating ,-))
08:33 < rxr> anyway a good time to take a look ad madwifi to not build with the running kernel tree ,-)
08:34 < Baldzius> :)
08:34 < Baldzius> second: can you change the line "A full build of the desktop target takes about three days on a 3 Ghz Athlon 64" in buildintro
08:34 < Baldzius> it confuse some ppl
08:34 < Baldzius> they think that it takes 3 days to build dekstop target
08:34 < Baldzius> they misunderstand "full build"
08:35 < Baldzius> noticed that in one russian news site from comments
08:35 < rxr> Baldzius: sure
08:35 < rxr> btw. our homepage is in svn, more people can edit it if they want to
08:35 < Baldzius> oh
08:36 < rxr> beside that the site will soon be in Typo3, I plan at least a "T2 on XYZ hardware" sections, for example Apple G5, Macbook, Dell XYZ, Acer AB and so on, so people googling for their hardware have a change to notice t2
08:37 < Baldzius> and last one: what we should do about koffice 1.5.1 as now only you can compile it
08:37 < rxr> right now when you google you see "Hacking Ubuntu until it boots on a Apple MacBook" and "Debian 4 the MacBook Pro" and the like
08:37 < rxr> and later a blog section for t2 developers/users so even more people will notice nice storries on th2 t2 domain
08:38 < rxr> Baldzius: oh, whats wrong with koffice? it should be fixed if it does not comile for people
08:38 < rxr> Baldzius: can you quote some recent build times I should add to the homepage ?
08:39 < Baldzius> hm i don't know but it doesn't compile for me mnemoc ragnar and even morfoh i think
08:39 < Baldzius> and we get different errors
08:39 < rxr> hm, parallel ?
08:39 < Baldzius> mnemoc tried with no success
08:39 < Baldzius> i don't remember
08:40 < rxr> is about a day for the desktop build on a 2-3GHz Athlon64 reasonable ?
08:40 < Baldzius> hm can't say , i always do ref build
08:40 < Baldzius> but it's really better than 3 days :)
08:41 < rxr>
08:41 < rxr> A full build of the desktop target takes about a day on a 3 Ghz
08:41 < rxr> Athlon or 2GHz PowerPC G5 - a build of all packages in T2 likely takes
08:41 < rxr> 3 days or more.
08:41 < Baldzius> looks better -^
08:42 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/www-t2/trunk/
08:43 < rxr> ok, now the .err files
08:43 < rxr> and then I rebuild kofffice on all my boxes ,-)
08:43 < Baldzius> perfect, so when you are planning 2.2 branch?
08:45 < rxr> basic installer inconsitency, stone, cd numbers are fixed now
08:45 < rxr> I need to figure out if hal works in kde and gnome on HEAD and then it is mostly ready from my side
08:45 < rxr> the question is, do we want to branch 2.2 then or until we have big inconsistent changes keep trunk as the 2.2 line until those big, incompatible, risky changes happen
08:47 < Baldzius> what big changes are sheduled ? i don't have any
08:47 < rxr> me neither
08:48 < rxr> that is why I think about not branching 2.2-stable until such big changes come up
08:48 < rxr> the bigger things that I want till 2.3 are: new Config that is _way_ faster and getting rid of this static build priority [P], scheduling all based on the cached dependencies
08:52 < rxr> that is written down here:
08:52 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
08:56 < rxr> btw. a DualCore Intel chip and SATA disc (Laptop) rebuild linux26 out of the ccache in just 13 minutes, including all the 3rd party modules
08:56 < rxr> dualcore @ 2GHz
08:56 < Baldzius> hm but how you are going to keep trunk "stable"?
08:56 < Baldzius> even small package update can do huge damage
08:58 < Baldzius> maybe i don't understand smtg but i vote for branch :)
08:59 < rxr> yeah, ok that is definetly the more stable choice
08:59 < rxr> okok, we branch when we tag 2.2.0(-final) in some days then ,-))
08:59 < rxr> .err files are gone
09:00 < rxr> so, only koffice missing ,-)
09:00 < Baldzius> ok i have left some packages here , looks like only one with security update and i'll try to track why cfdisk is segfaulting
09:00 < Baldzius> yeah
09:01 < rxr> is it segfaulting for you too ?
09:01 < Baldzius> yes
09:01 < rxr> oh yes
09:01 < Baldzius> so i use fdisk
09:01 < rxr> same here on my x86 laptop :-(
09:01 < rxr> on the ppc64 it works
09:02 < rxr> 2.12q on both
09:02 < Baldzius> btw what is the policy about adding packages which compiles but segfaults in runtime?
09:02 < Baldzius> as the svn commit rule sais: " don't commit if doesn't compile"
09:03 < rxr> well, secificially adding packages that do not work on runtime (no matter if crash or just e.g. files not found) is a bit pointless
09:03 < rxr> though if e.g. the person goes on a longer trip or other people say, well add it I take a look it could be ok
09:03 < rxr> at least on trunk, not a stable branch ,-)
09:04 < rxr> what do you have that builds but segfaults ?
09:04 < Baldzius> f-spot
09:04 < rxr> well, we did it previously, e.g. bmp did not work for me when I tried it
09:05 < rxr> though ok, it was already there, I only updated a non-working version to another non-working version ,-)
09:05 < rxr> I think when you do not want to track it and encourage other to track the problem it is fine with me
09:05 < Baldzius> :)))
09:05 < rxr> as long as we do not get hundrets of crashing packages in trunk -,))
09:05 < Baldzius> i'll wait for next version
09:06 < rxr> maybe it is just some esoteric photo that let it crash? or does it even not come up in an empty directory or so ?
09:06 < rxr> it is written in mono ?
09:07 < Baldzius> looks like
09:07 < Baldzius> i wasn't interested in error much
09:10 < rxr> can imagine
09:10 < rxr> btw. there is a lot of gnome stuff that only works for half of the world
09:10 < rxr> maybe just at f-what-was-it ,-)
09:14 < Baldzius> :)
09:16 < Baldzius> btw still the bigest problem is that we don't have Java VM in the trunk, kaffe refuses to work
09:16 < Baldzius> once more i tried to track the problem and as always i found myself lost in Java Jungle
09:18 < Baldzius> but it worked not long time ago when i made my system from trunk in november
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09:20 < rxr> Baldzius: no idea, I avoid java like the plaque, kaffe does not work on my primary platofmrs such as x86-64, ppc, ppc64 neither
09:21 < rxr> though on x86 people say it used to work
09:24 < Baldzius> ic
10:04 < CIA-3> susan * r17840 /trunk/package/powerpc/yaboot/stone_mod_yaboot.sh: * fixed OS X detection for the current use of parted inside the stone yaboot module
10:14 < CIA-3> rene * r17841 /trunk/package/powerpc/yaboot/stone_mod_yaboot.sh:
10:14 < CIA-3> * again modified the yaboot stone module to recognize OS X on my box
10:14 < CIA-3> as well and improved the bootstrap partition matching to hopefully
10:14 < CIA-3> catch partitions created by other distributions (if this continue
10:14 < CIA-3> to be a problem in the future we need to mount the partitions and
10:14 < CIA-3> look what is inside ...)
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10:19 < CIA-3> aldas * r17842 /trunk/package/develop/libpri/libpri.desc: * updated libpri (1.2.2 -> 1.2.3)
10:20 < CIA-3> aldas * r17843 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * updated spamassassin (3.1.2 -> 3.1.3)
11:22 < karasz> moin moin
11:23 < rxr> mon karasz
11:24 < karasz> hello rxr
11:24 < karasz> todays daily
11:24 < karasz> Two mice were eating a movie strip in a cinema, one say: do you like it? the other: nah, i liked the book more.
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11:25 < Baldzius> :)))))))
11:26 < rxr> heh
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11:42 < CIA-3> aldas * r17844 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed-claws/sylpheed-claws.desc: * updated sylpheed-claws (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2)
11:42 < CIA-3> aldas * r17845 /trunk/package/editors/joe/joe.desc: * updated joe (3.3 -> 3.4)
11:51 * Lucifer_arma groans
11:52 < karasz> hello to you to Lucifer_arma
11:52 < karasz> ;)
11:53 < Lucifer_arma> hi :)
11:55 < rxr> _Ragnar_: here madwifi installs properly for 2.6.16.20 while 2.6.16.19 was runnning, strange
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13:56 < nuambenzina> hello !
13:56 < nuambenzina> now the " http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.2.0-rc/desktop-x86-pentium-mmx/t2-desktop-2.2.0-rc-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso " I`s Working
13:57 < nuambenzina> Thank you :)
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15:21 < rxr> Baldzius: koffice now failed on my x86 laptop as well in some sqliteconnection: fatal error: opening dependency files ./deps/...
15:22 < rxr> does it sound familliar?
15:34 < Baldzius> rxr: no i have a different error in plugins/kivio or smtg
15:35 < Baldzius> something Makefile related
15:35 < rxr> have you the full log around =
15:35 < rxr> ?
15:37 < Baldzius> no
15:38 < Baldzius> i am almost on 3 stage of dekstop build so maybe i'll have it by tommorow
15:39 < rxr> ok
15:39 < rxr> so, I have my eth1 back
15:40 < rxr> as I only get one positiv feedback I comit some eth-naming unification patches to have all the network drivers I found use eth%d instead of annoying wifi%d or wlan% only a few used, right ?
15:40 < rxr> s/get/got/
15:45 < CIA-3> rene * r17846 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
15:45 < CIA-3> * unified wlan, wifi, "whatever you want to name wireless ethernet"
15:45 < CIA-3> driver that used wlan%d or wifi%d to use the normal, common
15:45 < CIA-3> eth%d naming most in-kernel driver use anyway, less confusion
15:45 < CIA-3> and network configuration that just works with exchanged hardware
16:02 < rxr> http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/06/06/1256221.shtml
16:06 < CIA-3> rene * r17847 /trunk/package/base/shadow/no-wheel-su.patch:
16:06 < CIA-3> * disabled the annoying wheel group requirement in the latest
16:06 < CIA-3> shadow with pam by default
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16:27 < CIA-3> rene * r17848 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/50-udev.rules:
16:27 < CIA-3> * unified dvb udev rules and set group to video so users in that
16:27 < CIA-3> group can access the devices as expected (tested)
16:27 < CIA-3> * likewisde added v4l and dri devices to the video group and radio
16:27 < CIA-3> nodes to the audio group (untested, -ENODEV)
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16:52 < sepp> hello :)
16:53 < rxr> moin sepp
16:53 < sepp> hi rxr
17:13 < LMJ> hello sepp & rxr ;)
17:14 < LMJ> can i put comments # in pkgsel ?
17:19 < rxr> Baldzius: despite one wrongly dependency directory name in the sqlite2 backend of kexi (that should not be built on my box anyway since I do not have that - maybe it is a empty placeholder) koffice builds on my x86 box
17:32 < Baldzius> rxr: ok i'll see what i get here
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18:14 < CIA-3> rene * r17849 /trunk/package/x86/grub/stone_mod_grub.sh:
18:14 < CIA-3> * since we have a t2 grub theme, let the installed system use it
18:14 < CIA-3> (not just the livecd ...)
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18:33 < CIA-3> amery * r17850 /trunk/package/develop/clip/ (clip.desc linux-2.6.15.patch): * updated clip (1.1.15-72 -> 1.1.16-20)
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19:09 < rxr> re
19:09 < rxr> LMJ: I think so
19:09 < rxr> Baldzius: I test a fix for the issue I got
19:11 < LMJ> ok rxr
19:19 < sepp> Config will eat these lines
19:20 < LMJ> i have "gdb" installed, but not "backtrace", where i could find it ?
19:21 < sepp> you type that into the "gdb user interface"
19:21 < LMJ> ok
19:21 < LMJ> ;)
19:21 < sepp> or bt if you are lazy
19:21 < LMJ> n00b ;)
19:21 < LMJ> thanks sepp
19:25 < sepp> with gdb, chances are high that the result is total nonsense or 0x0 half of the time :/
19:25 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:26 < rxr> well that is not gdb but a coredump or whatever where half of the memory is scrambled
19:26 < rxr> also compiling with a lot of optimiyations and -fommit-frame-pointer does the rest to the debugging possibilities
19:27 < rxr> I usually build debugging binaries with T2 when I need to track a serious problem
19:28 < sepp> well, even with debug symbols i feel gdb is more a rng and ddd makes it even worse
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19:37 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ tdi ]
19:37 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ Lucifer_arma] [ rxr ] [ sireficuL] [ valentin]
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19:37 < valentin> plain gdb is a pain in the a...., do i do not need another ugly wrapper around it
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19:37 < valentin> karasz: your emails come out of the future
19:38 < valentin> karasz: maybe set your date right ? today is satan day 2006-6-6...
19:38 < sepp> well, plain gdb makes me mad and there is no gtk gui
19:41 < rxr_> sepp: yes ddd is crap
19:41 < rxr_> gdb usually works for me, if it is C code, C++ confuses the crap debugger mayorly
19:41 < sepp> rxr_: i know, but i do not like cli gdb
19:41 < rxr_> also non x86 architectures, such as ppc64 and more so sparc64
19:42 < valentin> not to mention multithreaded programms
19:42 < rxr_> sepp: ack it not that state of the art, but mostly works for me
19:42 < rxr_> a state of the art complete explorer or all types would really be nice
19:42 < valentin> putting a wrapper around a broken tool will not work around the tools problems
19:43 < rxr_> and such edit and go a-like features M$ and Apple have
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19:46 < sepp> i do not ask for something like a smalltalk debugger, just for something that works ...
19:46 < sepp> with gui :)
19:47 < rxr> yeah we really deserve that
19:48 < valentin> we deserve a good IDE for linux
19:48 < valentin> featuring integrated debuger
19:48 < rxr> I guess novell and redhat would say eclipse now
19:48 < sepp> :(
19:49 < valentin> well, i was told eclipse has evolved a lot even for c++ by now. anyone tested recently ?
19:49 < sepp> you can type faster than eclipse reacts
19:51 < sepp> at least i can on my laptop
19:51 < rxr> yeap, java ...
19:51 < rxr> maybe it is better when translated to real-world machine code with gcj, anyone ?
19:52 < valentin> i assumed this is possible - otherwise i will not take any look at it at all
19:52 < valentin> esp with ibm's dog slow java for ppc
19:52 < rxr> valentin: redhat ships eclipse built by gcj for some time now
20:03 < LMJ> eclipse, the development environement tool, java based ?
20:18 < rxr> yep
20:45 < sepp> on x86 (with sun's jvm) eclipse is *really* slow - and even the dumb squeak vm without any jit feels much faster
20:58 < rxr> he
20:58 < rxr> ok folks / /me crawling into the bed n8 all
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21:01 < sepp> good night rxr ;)
21:03 < karasz> night rxr
21:38 < valentin> hi karasz
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21:47 < karasz> hello valentin
21:54 < nagulator> hello people
21:54 < karasz> hi nagulator
21:55 < valentin> karasz: did you check your mta's date ?
21:55 < karasz> sorry?
21:57 < valentin> your emails seem to come out of the future
21:57 < karasz> ahh, well yes, I had some problems with the clock, hopefully now it is stabelized.
21:58 < karasz> but then again, maybe I am so advanced that i come from future for real ;)
21:58 < valentin> lol
21:59 < karasz> :D
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23:01 < kickaha> good evening
23:02 < kickaha> i was wondering if there's any planned date for t2 2.2 to go final ?
23:02 < mnemoc> rxr wants to make his release during this week afaik
23:03 < kickaha> wow, that would be sooo col
23:03 < kickaha> *cool
23:05 < kickaha> thx mnemoc
23:05 < mnemoc> np
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23:19 < karasz> hello nuambenzina
23:20 < nuambenzina> hello :)
23:20 < mnemoc> gn8 #t2
23:20 < karasz> nuambenzina: is that for real?
23:20 < nuambenzina> yep
23:20 < nuambenzina> :)
23:21 < karasz> hmm, then you should walk I guess...
23:21 < kickaha> ok, cya ppl
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23:21 < karasz> at least until the first gas shop ;)
23:21 < nuambenzina> damm y are right
23:22 < karasz> :D
23:22 < nuambenzina> are y using t2?
23:22 * karasz but maybe his car is disel....
23:22 < karasz> nuambenzina: abusing is the word.
23:22 < nuambenzina> no i`ts an oltcit and it`s running on gas
23:22 < nuambenzina> :P
23:23 < karasz> so you do not need petrol ;)
23:23 < nuambenzina> gasoline
23:23 < nuambenzina> petrol
23:23 < karasz> yup.
23:23 < nuambenzina> uff my car is not so important right now...
23:24 < karasz> well importance of things is a relative question my friend ;)
23:24 < nuambenzina> anyway i was having a 20 L/100KM and from there is the ideea with my nickname
23:24 < karasz> oki, what's your bubu?
23:25 < nuambenzina> i don`t have a bubu but, do y reccomand me something before installing in vmware?
23:25 < karasz> y do you want to install T2?
23:25 < nuambenzina> yep for fun :)
23:25 < karasz> define fun.
23:25 < nuambenzina> uh
23:26 < nuambenzina> make choices
23:26 < karasz> T2 is a SDE, not a distro per se.
23:27 < karasz> so if your goal is to check out a tool for creating your own distro, well T2 is for you...
23:27 < nuambenzina> i`m afraid i`m not able to create a distro
23:28 < karasz> everything can be learned
23:28 < karasz> and otoh the tool is simple to use, the guys developping it put many hours of hard work in it to make it easier.
23:29 < nuambenzina> otoh?
23:29 < karasz> even for beginers
23:29 < karasz> on the other hand.
23:29 < karasz> adicalea pe de alta parte.
23:29 < karasz> ooops.
23:30 < nuambenzina> what?
23:30 < karasz> nothing, nothing.
23:30 < nuambenzina> what?
23:30 < karasz> it just slipped my fingers, english is official around here.
23:31 < nuambenzina> oky that`s fine with me
23:31 < nuambenzina> :)
23:31 < karasz> ok, returning to the subject.
23:31 < karasz> if i were you i would check it out
23:32 < karasz> i did in august
23:32 < karasz> and i am still here since ;)
23:32 < nuambenzina> how shoud i install it?
23:32 < nuambenzina> i mean on fbsd a guy said to me
23:32 < karasz> there are premade iso's
23:32 < nuambenzina> "/"=23 M , X-kern-developer
23:32 < karasz> already compiled for different cpu archs
23:32 < nuambenzina> etc. etc. etc. edit /etc/make.conf Export , setenv etc.
23:33 < karasz> hm?
23:33 < nuambenzina> well i have a old/slow one
23:33 < karasz> slow what?
23:33 < nuambenzina> processor
23:33 < nuambenzina> but that is not important anyway i play
23:33 < karasz> there is no such thing as slow CPU
23:33 < nuambenzina> with installing os-es :)
23:33 < nuambenzina> yep it is !
23:33 < karasz> just poorly written software ;)
23:34 < nuambenzina> no no no
23:34 < karasz> cpu model?
23:34 < nuambenzina> pIII@733
23:34 < karasz> good.
23:34 < nuambenzina> i`ts slow
23:34 < karasz> there is an iso for pentium-mmx, which just happens to fit your CPU ...
23:34 < nuambenzina> in VMvare it`s slow
23:35 < nuambenzina> i know i did grabbed today
23:35 < nuambenzina> :)
23:35 < karasz> VMware is slow on everything.
23:35 < karasz> so if you grabbed it, go for it,
23:35 < karasz> instalation does not differ too much from other distros
23:36 < karasz> make partitions, setup net, install packages...
23:36 < nuambenzina> 1-st question
23:36 < nuambenzina> witch kernel to boot ?
23:37 < karasz> usualy there is only one kernel in the iso.
23:37 < nuambenzina> 2.6.16.18-dist or 2.6.17.-rc4-mm1-dist
23:37 < karasz> no mm
23:38 < nuambenzina> k
23:38 < karasz> if you do not know exactly that you need it.
23:40 < karasz> yawn... it is getting late
23:41 < nuambenzina> i is late@ me
23:41 < karasz> nuambenzina: i guess that you'll be around tomorrow too
23:41 < nuambenzina> maybe yep :)
23:41 < karasz> 2:45 here ;)
23:41 < nuambenzina> 02:49:35
23:41 < karasz> ok, you are 4 minutes to the east :D
23:42 < nuambenzina> :D
23:42 < karasz> that makes what??? somewhere around Brasov?
23:42 < nuambenzina> Cluj-Napoca
23:43 < karasz> that couldn't be Cluj-Napoca is only 2 minutes to the east...
23:44 < karasz> oki, see you guys latter today ;)
23:44 < nuambenzina> check my ip out on ripe.net
23:44 < nuambenzina> bye, have a good sleep
23:44 < nuambenzina> :)
23:44 < karasz> nah, i trust you, maybe my clok
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00:49 < nuambenzina> hello!
00:50 < nuambenzina> from http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.2.0-rc/desktop-x86-pentium-mmx/ dose t2-desktop-2.2.0-rc-.... working?
00:51 < nuambenzina> in my brownser say " Forbidden You don't have permission to access /mirror/t2/stable/2.2.0-rc/desktop-x86-pentium-mmx/t2-desktop-2.2.0-rc-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso on this server. Apache/2.0.53 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.53 OpenSSL/0.9.7 DAV/2 SVN/1.0.3 PHP/4.3.10 Server at gsmp.tfh-berlin.de Port 80 "
00:52 < nuambenzina> for power PC and amd64 athlon it`s working, i mean i can download the .iso-s
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01:01 < nuambenzina> :)
01:01 < nuambenzina> ;)
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06:34 < Lucifer_arma> rxr: turns out there was something really wrong with my config. I made a new config and built it and it's running fine. thanks!
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07:59 < rxr> re
07:59 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: nice !
08:01 [Users #t2]
08:01 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ laj_ ] [ mnemoc] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
08:01 [ Baldzius] [ idealm] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly] [ _Ragnar_]
08:01 [ CIA-3 ] [ karasz] [ Lucifer_arma] [ rxr ] [ tdi ]
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08:23 < CIA-3> aldas * r17835 /trunk/package/multimedia/kino/kino.desc: * updated kino (0.8.1 -> 0.9.0)
08:23 < CIA-3> aldas * r17838 /trunk/package/network/opal/opal.desc: * updated opal (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2)
08:23 < CIA-3> aldas * r17839 /trunk/package/multimedia/ekiga/ekiga.desc: * updated ekiga (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
08:25 < rxr> moin Baldzius
08:25 < Baldzius> hi rxr, do you have a min?
08:25 < CIA-3> aldas * r17836 /trunk/package/filesystem/jfsutils/jfsutils.desc: * updated jfsutils (1.1.10 -> 1.1.11)
08:26 < CIA-3> aldas * r17837 /trunk/package/develop/pwlib/ (pwlib.conf pwlib.desc sasl2-path-fix.patch):
08:26 < CIA-3> * updated pwlib (1.10.0 -> 1.10.1)
08:26 < CIA-3> * updated copyright
08:28 < rxr> Baldzius: yep
08:29 < Baldzius> first: there are some packages with *err extension in 2.2 source tree, can you delete them?
08:29 < rxr> in the source mirror ?
08:30 < Baldzius> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2-source/2.2/h/
08:30 < Baldzius> like htop and ht
08:30 < Baldzius> and i think there could be more
08:31 < Baldzius> it happend due outdated mesh
08:31 < rxr> oh they should not be there, of course
08:32 < rxr> I fix it in a minute
08:32 < rxr> btw. I update linux26 right now
08:32 < Baldzius> *.20?
08:32 < rxr> yep
08:33 < Baldzius> :)
08:33 < Baldzius> me updated it yesterday
08:33 < rxr> oh, really?
08:33 < rxr> damn, we are fast in updating ,-))
08:33 < rxr> anyway a good time to take a look ad madwifi to not build with the running kernel tree ,-)
08:34 < Baldzius> :)
08:34 < Baldzius> second: can you change the line "A full build of the desktop target takes about three days on a 3 Ghz Athlon 64" in buildintro
08:34 < Baldzius> it confuse some ppl
08:34 < Baldzius> they think that it takes 3 days to build dekstop target
08:34 < Baldzius> they misunderstand "full build"
08:35 < Baldzius> noticed that in one russian news site from comments
08:35 < rxr> Baldzius: sure
08:35 < rxr> btw. our homepage is in svn, more people can edit it if they want to
08:35 < Baldzius> oh
08:36 < rxr> beside that the site will soon be in Typo3, I plan at least a "T2 on XYZ hardware" sections, for example Apple G5, Macbook, Dell XYZ, Acer AB and so on, so people googling for their hardware have a change to notice t2
08:37 < Baldzius> and last one: what we should do about koffice 1.5.1 as now only you can compile it
08:37 < rxr> right now when you google you see "Hacking Ubuntu until it boots on a Apple MacBook" and "Debian 4 the MacBook Pro" and the like
08:37 < rxr> and later a blog section for t2 developers/users so even more people will notice nice storries on th2 t2 domain
08:38 < rxr> Baldzius: oh, whats wrong with koffice? it should be fixed if it does not comile for people
08:38 < rxr> Baldzius: can you quote some recent build times I should add to the homepage ?
08:39 < Baldzius> hm i don't know but it doesn't compile for me mnemoc ragnar and even morfoh i think
08:39 < Baldzius> and we get different errors
08:39 < rxr> hm, parallel ?
08:39 < Baldzius> mnemoc tried with no success
08:39 < Baldzius> i don't remember
08:40 < rxr> is about a day for the desktop build on a 2-3GHz Athlon64 reasonable ?
08:40 < Baldzius> hm can't say , i always do ref build
08:40 < Baldzius> but it's really better than 3 days :)
08:41 < rxr>
5. Start the build.
08:41 < rxr>
./scripts/Build-Target -cfg system
08:41 < rxr> A full build of the desktop target takes about a day on a 3 Ghz
08:41 < rxr> Athlon or 2GHz PowerPC G5 - a build of all packages in T2 likely takes
08:41 < rxr> 3 days or more.
08:41 < Baldzius> looks better -^
08:42 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/www-t2/trunk/
08:43 < rxr> ok, now the .err files
08:43 < rxr> and then I rebuild kofffice on all my boxes ,-)
08:43 < Baldzius> perfect, so when you are planning 2.2 branch?
08:45 < rxr> basic installer inconsitency, stone, cd numbers are fixed now
08:45 < rxr> I need to figure out if hal works in kde and gnome on HEAD and then it is mostly ready from my side
08:45 < rxr> the question is, do we want to branch 2.2 then or until we have big inconsistent changes keep trunk as the 2.2 line until those big, incompatible, risky changes happen
08:47 < Baldzius> what big changes are sheduled ? i don't have any
08:47 < rxr> me neither
08:48 < rxr> that is why I think about not branching 2.2-stable until such big changes come up
08:48 < rxr> the bigger things that I want till 2.3 are: new Config that is _way_ faster and getting rid of this static build priority [P], scheduling all based on the cached dependencies
08:52 < rxr> that is written down here:
08:52 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
08:56 < rxr> btw. a DualCore Intel chip and SATA disc (Laptop) rebuild linux26 out of the ccache in just 13 minutes, including all the 3rd party modules
08:56 < rxr> dualcore @ 2GHz
08:56 < Baldzius> hm but how you are going to keep trunk "stable"?
08:56 < Baldzius> even small package update can do huge damage
08:58 < Baldzius> maybe i don't understand smtg but i vote for branch :)
08:59 < rxr> yeah, ok that is definetly the more stable choice
08:59 < rxr> okok, we branch when we tag 2.2.0(-final) in some days then ,-))
08:59 < rxr> .err files are gone
09:00 < rxr> so, only koffice missing ,-)
09:00 < Baldzius> ok i have left some packages here , looks like only one with security update and i'll try to track why cfdisk is segfaulting
09:00 < Baldzius> yeah
09:01 < rxr> is it segfaulting for you too ?
09:01 < Baldzius> yes
09:01 < rxr> oh yes
09:01 < Baldzius> so i use fdisk
09:01 < rxr> same here on my x86 laptop :-(
09:01 < rxr> on the ppc64 it works
09:02 < rxr> 2.12q on both
09:02 < Baldzius> btw what is the policy about adding packages which compiles but segfaults in runtime?
09:02 < Baldzius> as the svn commit rule sais: " don't commit if doesn't compile"
09:03 < rxr> well, secificially adding packages that do not work on runtime (no matter if crash or just e.g. files not found) is a bit pointless
09:03 < rxr> though if e.g. the person goes on a longer trip or other people say, well add it I take a look it could be ok
09:03 < rxr> at least on trunk, not a stable branch ,-)
09:04 < rxr> what do you have that builds but segfaults ?
09:04 < Baldzius> f-spot
09:04 < rxr> well, we did it previously, e.g. bmp did not work for me when I tried it
09:05 < rxr> though ok, it was already there, I only updated a non-working version to another non-working version ,-)
09:05 < rxr> I think when you do not want to track it and encourage other to track the problem it is fine with me
09:05 < Baldzius> :)))
09:05 < rxr> as long as we do not get hundrets of crashing packages in trunk -,))
09:05 < Baldzius> i'll wait for next version
09:06 < rxr> maybe it is just some esoteric photo that let it crash? or does it even not come up in an empty directory or so ?
09:06 < rxr> it is written in mono ?
09:07 < Baldzius> looks like
09:07 < Baldzius> i wasn't interested in error much
09:10 < rxr> can imagine
09:10 < rxr> btw. there is a lot of gnome stuff that only works for half of the world
09:10 < rxr> maybe just at f-what-was-it ,-)
09:14 < Baldzius> :)
09:16 < Baldzius> btw still the bigest problem is that we don't have Java VM in the trunk, kaffe refuses to work
09:16 < Baldzius> once more i tried to track the problem and as always i found myself lost in Java Jungle
09:18 < Baldzius> but it worked not long time ago when i made my system from trunk in november
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09:20 < rxr> Baldzius: no idea, I avoid java like the plaque, kaffe does not work on my primary platofmrs such as x86-64, ppc, ppc64 neither
09:21 < rxr> though on x86 people say it used to work
09:24 < Baldzius> ic
10:04 < CIA-3> susan * r17840 /trunk/package/powerpc/yaboot/stone_mod_yaboot.sh: * fixed OS X detection for the current use of parted inside the stone yaboot module
10:14 < CIA-3> rene * r17841 /trunk/package/powerpc/yaboot/stone_mod_yaboot.sh:
10:14 < CIA-3> * again modified the yaboot stone module to recognize OS X on my box
10:14 < CIA-3> as well and improved the bootstrap partition matching to hopefully
10:14 < CIA-3> catch partitions created by other distributions (if this continue
10:14 < CIA-3> to be a problem in the future we need to mount the partitions and
10:14 < CIA-3> look what is inside ...)
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10:19 < CIA-3> aldas * r17842 /trunk/package/develop/libpri/libpri.desc: * updated libpri (1.2.2 -> 1.2.3)
10:20 < CIA-3> aldas * r17843 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * updated spamassassin (3.1.2 -> 3.1.3)
11:22 < karasz> moin moin
11:23 < rxr> mon karasz
11:24 < karasz> hello rxr
11:24 < karasz> todays daily
11:24 < karasz> Two mice were eating a movie strip in a cinema, one say: do you like it? the other: nah, i liked the book more.
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11:25 < Baldzius> :)))))))
11:26 < rxr> heh
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11:42 < CIA-3> aldas * r17844 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed-claws/sylpheed-claws.desc: * updated sylpheed-claws (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2)
11:42 < CIA-3> aldas * r17845 /trunk/package/editors/joe/joe.desc: * updated joe (3.3 -> 3.4)
11:51 * Lucifer_arma groans
11:52 < karasz> hello to you to Lucifer_arma
11:52 < karasz> ;)
11:53 < Lucifer_arma> hi :)
11:55 < rxr> _Ragnar_: here madwifi installs properly for 2.6.16.20 while 2.6.16.19 was runnning, strange
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13:56 < nuambenzina> hello !
13:56 < nuambenzina> now the " http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.2.0-rc/desktop-x86-pentium-mmx/t2-desktop-2.2.0-rc-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso " I`s Working
13:57 < nuambenzina> Thank you :)
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15:21 < rxr> Baldzius: koffice now failed on my x86 laptop as well in some sqliteconnection: fatal error: opening dependency files ./deps/...
15:22 < rxr> does it sound familliar?
15:34 < Baldzius> rxr: no i have a different error in plugins/kivio or smtg
15:35 < Baldzius> something Makefile related
15:35 < rxr> have you the full log around =
15:35 < rxr> ?
15:37 < Baldzius> no
15:38 < Baldzius> i am almost on 3 stage of dekstop build so maybe i'll have it by tommorow
15:39 < rxr> ok
15:39 < rxr> so, I have my eth1 back
15:40 < rxr> as I only get one positiv feedback I comit some eth-naming unification patches to have all the network drivers I found use eth%d instead of annoying wifi%d or wlan% only a few used, right ?
15:40 < rxr> s/get/got/
15:45 < CIA-3> rene * r17846 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
15:45 < CIA-3> * unified wlan, wifi, "whatever you want to name wireless ethernet"
15:45 < CIA-3> driver that used wlan%d or wifi%d to use the normal, common
15:45 < CIA-3> eth%d naming most in-kernel driver use anyway, less confusion
15:45 < CIA-3> and network configuration that just works with exchanged hardware
16:02 < rxr> http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/06/06/1256221.shtml
16:06 < CIA-3> rene * r17847 /trunk/package/base/shadow/no-wheel-su.patch:
16:06 < CIA-3> * disabled the annoying wheel group requirement in the latest
16:06 < CIA-3> shadow with pam by default
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16:27 < CIA-3> rene * r17848 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/50-udev.rules:
16:27 < CIA-3> * unified dvb udev rules and set group to video so users in that
16:27 < CIA-3> group can access the devices as expected (tested)
16:27 < CIA-3> * likewisde added v4l and dri devices to the video group and radio
16:27 < CIA-3> nodes to the audio group (untested, -ENODEV)
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16:52 < sepp> hello :)
16:53 < rxr> moin sepp
16:53 < sepp> hi rxr
17:13 < LMJ> hello sepp & rxr ;)
17:14 < LMJ> can i put comments # in pkgsel ?
17:19 < rxr> Baldzius: despite one wrongly dependency directory name in the sqlite2 backend of kexi (that should not be built on my box anyway since I do not have that - maybe it is a empty placeholder) koffice builds on my x86 box
17:32 < Baldzius> rxr: ok i'll see what i get here
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18:14 < CIA-3> rene * r17849 /trunk/package/x86/grub/stone_mod_grub.sh:
18:14 < CIA-3> * since we have a t2 grub theme, let the installed system use it
18:14 < CIA-3> (not just the livecd ...)
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18:33 < CIA-3> amery * r17850 /trunk/package/develop/clip/ (clip.desc linux-2.6.15.patch): * updated clip (1.1.15-72 -> 1.1.16-20)
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19:09 < rxr> re
19:09 < rxr> LMJ: I think so
19:09 < rxr> Baldzius: I test a fix for the issue I got
19:11 < LMJ> ok rxr
19:19 < sepp> Config will eat these lines
19:20 < LMJ> i have "gdb" installed, but not "backtrace", where i could find it ?
19:21 < sepp> you type that into the "gdb user interface"
19:21 < LMJ> ok
19:21 < LMJ> ;)
19:21 < sepp> or bt if you are lazy
19:21 < LMJ> n00b ;)
19:21 < LMJ> thanks sepp
19:25 < sepp> with gdb, chances are high that the result is total nonsense or 0x0 half of the time :/
19:25 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:26 < rxr> well that is not gdb but a coredump or whatever where half of the memory is scrambled
19:26 < rxr> also compiling with a lot of optimiyations and -fommit-frame-pointer does the rest to the debugging possibilities
19:27 < rxr> I usually build debugging binaries with T2 when I need to track a serious problem
19:28 < sepp> well, even with debug symbols i feel gdb is more a rng and ddd makes it even worse
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19:37 < valentin> plain gdb is a pain in the a...., do i do not need another ugly wrapper around it
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19:37 < valentin> karasz: your emails come out of the future
19:38 < valentin> karasz: maybe set your date right ? today is satan day 2006-6-6...
19:38 < sepp> well, plain gdb makes me mad and there is no gtk gui
19:41 < rxr_> sepp: yes ddd is crap
19:41 < rxr_> gdb usually works for me, if it is C code, C++ confuses the crap debugger mayorly
19:41 < sepp> rxr_: i know, but i do not like cli gdb
19:41 < rxr_> also non x86 architectures, such as ppc64 and more so sparc64
19:42 < valentin> not to mention multithreaded programms
19:42 < rxr_> sepp: ack it not that state of the art, but mostly works for me
19:42 < rxr_> a state of the art complete explorer or all types would really be nice
19:42 < valentin> putting a wrapper around a broken tool will not work around the tools problems
19:43 < rxr_> and such edit and go a-like features M$ and Apple have
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19:46 < sepp> i do not ask for something like a smalltalk debugger, just for something that works ...
19:46 < sepp> with gui :)
19:47 < rxr> yeah we really deserve that
19:48 < valentin> we deserve a good IDE for linux
19:48 < valentin> featuring integrated debuger
19:48 < rxr> I guess novell and redhat would say eclipse now
19:48 < sepp> :(
19:49 < valentin> well, i was told eclipse has evolved a lot even for c++ by now. anyone tested recently ?
19:49 < sepp> you can type faster than eclipse reacts
19:51 < sepp> at least i can on my laptop
19:51 < rxr> yeap, java ...
19:51 < rxr> maybe it is better when translated to real-world machine code with gcj, anyone ?
19:52 < valentin> i assumed this is possible - otherwise i will not take any look at it at all
19:52 < valentin> esp with ibm's dog slow java for ppc
19:52 < rxr> valentin: redhat ships eclipse built by gcj for some time now
20:03 < LMJ> eclipse, the development environement tool, java based ?
20:18 < rxr> yep
20:45 < sepp> on x86 (with sun's jvm) eclipse is *really* slow - and even the dumb squeak vm without any jit feels much faster
20:58 < rxr> he
20:58 < rxr> ok folks / /me crawling into the bed n8 all
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21:01 < sepp> good night rxr ;)
21:03 < karasz> night rxr
21:38 < valentin> hi karasz
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21:47 < karasz> hello valentin
21:54 < nagulator> hello people
21:54 < karasz> hi nagulator
21:55 < valentin> karasz: did you check your mta's date ?
21:55 < karasz> sorry?
21:57 < valentin> your emails seem to come out of the future
21:57 < karasz> ahh, well yes, I had some problems with the clock, hopefully now it is stabelized.
21:58 < karasz> but then again, maybe I am so advanced that i come from future for real ;)
21:58 < valentin> lol
21:59 < karasz> :D
22:43 * Lucifer_arma is away: dinner
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23:01 < kickaha> good evening
23:02 < kickaha> i was wondering if there's any planned date for t2 2.2 to go final ?
23:02 < mnemoc> rxr wants to make his release during this week afaik
23:03 < kickaha> wow, that would be sooo col
23:03 < kickaha> *cool
23:05 < kickaha> thx mnemoc
23:05 < mnemoc> np
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23:19 < karasz> hello nuambenzina
23:20 < nuambenzina> hello :)
23:20 < mnemoc> gn8 #t2
23:20 < karasz> nuambenzina: is that for real?
23:20 < nuambenzina> yep
23:20 < nuambenzina> :)
23:21 < karasz> hmm, then you should walk I guess...
23:21 < kickaha> ok, cya ppl
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23:21 < karasz> at least until the first gas shop ;)
23:21 < nuambenzina> damm y are right
23:22 < karasz> :D
23:22 < nuambenzina> are y using t2?
23:22 * karasz but maybe his car is disel....
23:22 < karasz> nuambenzina: abusing is the word.
23:22 < nuambenzina> no i`ts an oltcit and it`s running on gas
23:22 < nuambenzina> :P
23:23 < karasz> so you do not need petrol ;)
23:23 < nuambenzina> gasoline
23:23 < nuambenzina> petrol
23:23 < karasz> yup.
23:23 < nuambenzina> uff my car is not so important right now...
23:24 < karasz> well importance of things is a relative question my friend ;)
23:24 < nuambenzina> anyway i was having a 20 L/100KM and from there is the ideea with my nickname
23:24 < karasz> oki, what's your bubu?
23:25 < nuambenzina> i don`t have a bubu but, do y reccomand me something before installing in vmware?
23:25 < karasz> y do you want to install T2?
23:25 < nuambenzina> yep for fun :)
23:25 < karasz> define fun.
23:25 < nuambenzina> uh
23:26 < nuambenzina> make choices
23:26 < karasz> T2 is a SDE, not a distro per se.
23:27 < karasz> so if your goal is to check out a tool for creating your own distro, well T2 is for you...
23:27 < nuambenzina> i`m afraid i`m not able to create a distro
23:28 < karasz> everything can be learned
23:28 < karasz> and otoh the tool is simple to use, the guys developping it put many hours of hard work in it to make it easier.
23:29 < nuambenzina> otoh?
23:29 < karasz> even for beginers
23:29 < karasz> on the other hand.
23:29 < karasz> adicalea pe de alta parte.
23:29 < karasz> ooops.
23:30 < nuambenzina> what?
23:30 < karasz> nothing, nothing.
23:30 < nuambenzina> what?
23:30 < karasz> it just slipped my fingers, english is official around here.
23:31 < nuambenzina> oky that`s fine with me
23:31 < nuambenzina> :)
23:31 < karasz> ok, returning to the subject.
23:31 < karasz> if i were you i would check it out
23:32 < karasz> i did in august
23:32 < karasz> and i am still here since ;)
23:32 < nuambenzina> how shoud i install it?
23:32 < nuambenzina> i mean on fbsd a guy said to me
23:32 < karasz> there are premade iso's
23:32 < nuambenzina> "/"=23 M , X-kern-developer
23:32 < karasz> already compiled for different cpu archs
23:32 < nuambenzina> etc. etc. etc. edit /etc/make.conf Export , setenv etc.
23:33 < karasz> hm?
23:33 < nuambenzina> well i have a old/slow one
23:33 < karasz> slow what?
23:33 < nuambenzina> processor
23:33 < nuambenzina> but that is not important anyway i play
23:33 < karasz> there is no such thing as slow CPU
23:33 < nuambenzina> with installing os-es :)
23:33 < nuambenzina> yep it is !
23:33 < karasz> just poorly written software ;)
23:34 < nuambenzina> no no no
23:34 < karasz> cpu model?
23:34 < nuambenzina> pIII@733
23:34 < karasz> good.
23:34 < nuambenzina> i`ts slow
23:34 < karasz> there is an iso for pentium-mmx, which just happens to fit your CPU ...
23:34 < nuambenzina> in VMvare it`s slow
23:35 < nuambenzina> i know i did grabbed today
23:35 < nuambenzina> :)
23:35 < karasz> VMware is slow on everything.
23:35 < karasz> so if you grabbed it, go for it,
23:35 < karasz> instalation does not differ too much from other distros
23:36 < karasz> make partitions, setup net, install packages...
23:36 < nuambenzina> 1-st question
23:36 < nuambenzina> witch kernel to boot ?
23:37 < karasz> usualy there is only one kernel in the iso.
23:37 < nuambenzina> 2.6.16.18-dist or 2.6.17.-rc4-mm1-dist
23:37 < karasz> no mm
23:38 < nuambenzina> k
23:38 < karasz> if you do not know exactly that you need it.
23:40 < karasz> yawn... it is getting late
23:41 < nuambenzina> i is late@ me
23:41 < karasz> nuambenzina: i guess that you'll be around tomorrow too
23:41 < nuambenzina> maybe yep :)
23:41 < karasz> 2:45 here ;)
23:41 < nuambenzina> 02:49:35
23:41 < karasz> ok, you are 4 minutes to the east :D
23:42 < nuambenzina> :D
23:42 < karasz> that makes what??? somewhere around Brasov?
23:42 < nuambenzina> Cluj-Napoca
23:43 < karasz> that couldn't be Cluj-Napoca is only 2 minutes to the east...
23:44 < karasz> oki, see you guys latter today ;)
23:44 < nuambenzina> check my ip out on ripe.net
23:44 < nuambenzina> bye, have a good sleep
23:44 < nuambenzina> :)
23:44 < karasz> nah, i trust you, maybe my clok
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