T2 IRC Log: 2006-05-29

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--- Log opened Mon May 29 00:00:17 2006
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02:30 < Lucifer_arma> do I have to have cracklib on a distribution?
02:31 < Lucifer_arma> i.e. will excluding it break anything else?
02:50 < Lucifer_arma> ? the distcc option isn't there...
03:05 < karasz> moin moin
03:06 < Lucifer_arma> morning. any idea what I have to do to get the diffcc option in Config? :)
03:06 < Lucifer_arma> custom target, this time
03:06 < Lucifer_arma> *distcc
03:07 < karasz> did you tried the expert options?
03:08 < karasz> i mean the last line in the standard config, it brings up some other options, i recon that the distcc is there...
03:09 < Lucifer_arma> yeah, I tried that, no go. I think it's something I need to add to config.in or something like that to have it
03:09 < karasz> hmm...
03:10 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E125E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2
03:10 < karasz> lemme look ata it a little
03:11 < karasz> i don't remember by heart ;)
03:15 < karasz> it may require some quirk in the files :(
03:16 < karasz> better wait for the guys
03:16 < Lucifer_arma> yep, it's there for generic target but not for carlinux (my custom target)
03:16 < Lucifer_arma> yeah, without distcc, I'll probably still be building when they wake up! :)
03:16 * karasz off hopefully returning in some minutes if install is right :)
03:17 < Lucifer_arma> have fun
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03:27 * Lucifer_arma is away: smoking
03:37 * Lucifer_arma is back.
05:05 < karasz> re
05:05 < Lucifer_arma> re
05:06 < Lucifer_arma> so, if I want to include packages in my target that aren't packages in t2, is there a way to do that without adding the package to t2?
05:06 < Lucifer_arma> naturally I'll try to get added any packages I make, but in the meantime, I'm going to want to use them :)
05:06 < karasz> you can allwasys just compile them on your sistem
05:07 < karasz> using the standard ./configure mak make install
05:08 < Lucifer_arma> I want them built onto the iso image
05:08 < Lucifer_arma> and managed by stone
05:08 < karasz> than i guess you must add them
05:09 < Lucifer_arma> seems like I should make a special directory for them for my use, and then when/if they get added to t2 I can remove them from my special directory
05:09 * Lucifer_arma has to put them in svn somewhere for other people to fool with anyway
06:51 < mtr> moin
06:51 < karasz> moin mtr
06:52 < mtr> moin karasz ;)
07:55 < CIA-3> mtr * r17662 /trunk/package/base/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.sh: * added Fusion-MPT and I2O drivers to initrd
08:18 < mtr> rxr_: libiconv has shared files with uclibc
08:19 * mtr suprised, rene is using ugly libc ... :)
08:20 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@85.178.30.154] has joined #t2
08:21 < morfoh> hi
08:21 < mtr> hi morfoh
08:23 < karasz> hello kommrad ;)
08:31 < morfoh> moin mtr ... how is the big family ? :)
08:31 < morfoh> moin tavarish
08:31 < morfoh> :=
08:31 < morfoh> :)
08:37 < mtr> morfoh: returned to standard circumstances - all whelps at their new home now
08:42 < morfoh> oh! hopefully you're not that sad ... and I hope the "standard crew" is well :)
08:59 < mtr> morfoh: we have some ambivalent feelings, of course we are sad about giving them away, on the other hand relieved of a burdon, you cannot imagine how time consuming these doggys are in the first weeks ...
09:18 < morfoh> mtr: oh yeah ... I just had one to take car off but I can imagine :)
09:51 -!- morfoh_ [n=morfoh@e178017176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2
09:51 < mtr> some how "$SDECFG_PKG_GCC_STACKPRO" = 1 does not work for me, strange ...
09:53 < mtr> gcc atstage cross is build with --disable-libssp, but -fstack-protector is injected even in stage 1
09:53 < mtr> so 1-perl fails, ld is missing -lssp_noshared :(
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10:03 < mtr> huhu, any one using SSP at trunk?
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10:54 < mtr> next one, gcc 4.1.0 has shared file with uclibc: usr/include/bits/atomicity.h: gcc uclibc
10:54 < mtr> fails at stage 2 ... :(
10:56 * mtr receiving an impression that noone is using uclibc these days
12:42 -!- xaxes|free [n=xaxes|fr@server.foonative.org] has joined #t2
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13:24 < rxr> uclibc is too big for my needs
13:40 < Lucifer_arma> what's embutils for?
13:41 < rxr> normally cp,mv, ... for embedded systems
13:41 < rxr> but for modern early-userspace initrd's we also use them on normal server/desktop systems
13:41 < rxr> but just for the initrd
13:41 < rxr> (or for rescue reasons)
13:41 -!- veki [n=chatzill@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has joined #t2
13:42 < mnemoc> wb veki
13:42 < veki> hi
13:42 < veki> how are you?
13:43 < Lucifer_arma> hmm, failed to build
13:44 < Lucifer_arma> !> dmesg.c:(.text+0x12f): undefined reference to `__syscall_syslog' <--- a couple like that, what library did I miss?
13:46 < rxr> you have dietlibc ?
13:46 < mnemoc> veki: quite good, and you?
13:47 < veki> good, working a lot, money comes slow, but it comes
13:47 < veki> it will be OK'
13:47 < veki> is morfoh around
13:47 < veki> ?
13:48 < Lucifer_arma> no, glibc I think
13:48 < Lucifer_arma> X glibc
13:48 < Lucifer_arma> X glibc32
13:48 < Lucifer_arma> O dietlibc
13:48 < rxr> you disabled dietlibc ?
13:49 < rxr> (the early userspace of t2 relies on it)
13:49 < rxr> do you build for a 64bit architecture ?
13:49 < Lucifer_arma> this came from the minimal.in
13:49 < Lucifer_arma> so I should have it enabled even though I don't intend to use it?
13:49 < Lucifer_arma> no, 32bit
13:50 * Lucifer_arma hopes to have build and install dependencies separated at some point :)
13:50 < rxr> ah ok - then X glibc32 is uneffective anyway
13:50 < rxr> (it is the 32bit flavour for 64bit systems)
13:50 < rxr> dietlibc should be enabled
13:51 < Lucifer_arma> ok, enabled and restarted the build
13:51 < rxr> you should build with dietlibc, otherwise you can not use an initrd and would need to either use a static kernel config or solder your own initrd
13:51 < Lucifer_arma> so how do I get the distcc option to appear in the menu?
13:52 < rxr> enable dietcc I think ,-)
13:52 < Lucifer_arma> in Config. Fr generic target, it's there, for my custom target, it's not. :)
13:52 < Lucifer_arma> ok, lemme check
13:52 < Lucifer_arma> haha, yep :)
13:53 < CIA-3> rene * r17663 /trunk/package/develop/php/php.conf:
13:53 < CIA-3> * removed duplicate pkginstalled and pkgprefix in php.conf, introduced
13:53 < CIA-3> with r16616: enhanced php to build MySQLi support if mysql is installed
14:05 < mnemoc> thanks
14:05 < CIA-3> susan * r17664 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/stone_mod_xorg.sh:
14:05 < CIA-3> * removed obsolete X.org configuration stone module entries
14:05 < CIA-3> * added xcfgt2 as prefered configuration method
14:06 < rxr> mnemoc: you are welcome
14:07 < rxr> next I have to see if php still fails on my box here and what bit of mysql or php/configure is not perfect
14:08 < rxr> in the case someone wonders my laptop has to finish the x86-64 build that I rebuild since I accidently built the last one with O1 and debugging symbols
14:08 < mnemoc> it built flawless for me yesterday
14:08 < rxr> yes you said before
14:08 < rxr> I have no idea what php did not like on my mysql
14:08 < rxr> but it was in mysqli support detection whatever the last time I had problems
14:08 < rxr> I'll see
14:09 < mnemoc> mysqli needs a recient mysql
14:09 < rxr> when the x86-64 build finished I'll upload all at once
14:09 < rxr> mnemoc: my mysql was suppost to be HEAD - though maybe more lib64 or so
14:13 < mnemoc> mine php builds have all been x86, maybe it's a missing -L
14:13 < mnemoc> but iirc it use mysql-config
14:17 < rxr> it failed on ppc64 (...)
14:22 < CIA-3> rene * r17665 /trunk/package/archiver/mine/sanitize-retry-skip.patch: * sanitized Retry / Skip cases in the mine pkg installer
14:27 < CIA-3> rene * r17666 /trunk/package/develop/php/php.conf:
14:27 < CIA-3> * converted php.conf conditional to not use arimetic comparision to
14:27 < CIA-3> allow building without php/config.in options set
14:33 < veki> I have to go now, but I will be back later
14:33 < veki> cu
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15:04 < CIA-3> aldas * r17667 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-applets/ (gnome-applets.conf gnome-applets.desc):
15:04 < CIA-3> * updated gnome-applets (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
15:04 < CIA-3> * copyright update
15:05 < CIA-3> aldas * r17670 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnokii/gnokii.desc: * updated gnokii (0.6.10 -> 0.6.12)
15:05 < CIA-3> aldas * r17671 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkdoc/gtkdoc.desc: * updated gtkdoc (1.5 -> 1.6)
15:06 < CIA-3> aldas * r17672 /trunk/package/gnome2/gucharmap/ (gucharmap.conf gucharmap.desc):
15:06 < CIA-3> * updated gucharmap (1.4.4 -> 1.6.0)
15:06 < CIA-3> * copyright update
15:06 < CIA-3> aldas * r17673 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-terminal/gnome-terminal.desc: * updated gnome-terminal (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
15:07 < CIA-3> aldas * r17668 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/epiphany.desc: * updated epiphany (2.14.1.1 -> 2.14.2)
15:09 < CIA-3> aldas * r17669 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-games/ (gnome-games.conf gnome-games.desc):
15:09 < CIA-3> * updated gnome-games (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
15:09 < CIA-3> * copyright update
15:21 < CIA-3> aldas * r17674 /trunk/package/archiver/7zip/ (7zip.conf 7zip.desc install.patch):
15:21 < CIA-3> * updated 7zip (4.37 -> 4.42)
15:21 < CIA-3> * copyright update
15:24 < karasz> re
15:24 < karasz> today's daily will be a story
15:24 < mnemoc> wb karasz
15:24 < mnemoc> please continue
15:24 < karasz> don't be afraid it is not too long
15:24 < karasz> here it goes:
15:25 < LMJ> hello guys
15:25 < karasz> Once upon a time there were five men
15:25 < karasz> named: Somebody, Anybody, Nobody, Everybody and Other
15:26 < karasz> One day they were confronted with a very important stuff to do
15:26 < karasz> so they decided that Everybody has to do it.
15:27 < Baldzius> :)
15:27 < Baldzius> even now it's funny
15:27 < mnemoc> -_-
15:27 < LMJ> mine now
15:27 < karasz> But Everybody was sure that Somebody will do it, Somebody was counting on Nobody and finaly Nobody didn't do it because it was obvious that Anybody could do it.
15:28 < mnemoc> -_-
15:29 < karasz> Then Somebody got very angry because this was a job for Everybody, Then Everybody suggested that Somebody should make Other do it despite the fact that Nobody did it, even is Anybody could do it.
15:29 < karasz> Conclusion:
15:29 < karasz> everytime the job has to be done by Other.
15:29 < Baldzius> :)
15:30 < mnemoc> o.o
15:30 < karasz> thx mnemoc for the welcoming
15:30 < karasz> and hi to everybody that i missed ;)
15:30 < mnemoc> ^_^
15:30 < LMJ> Peat and Repeat are in a boart, Peat fall in the water, who stay in the boat ?
15:31 < mnemoc> O_O
15:31 < Baldzius> :)
15:31 * karasz wonders...
15:32 < Baldzius> /dev/null
15:32 < karasz> i gues it was the Other :D
15:32 < mnemoc> hehe
15:32 < LMJ> come onnnn
15:33 < mnemoc> Repeat stay in the boat :)
15:33 < karasz> i don't wanna.
15:33 * LMJ left the chan ;)
15:33 < mnemoc> *g*
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15:58 < CIA-3> rene * r17675 /trunk/package/textproc/xmlstarlet/xmlstarlet.desc: * fixed xmlsarlet's I tag to start with a capital
16:20 < CIA-3> rene * r17676 /trunk/misc/archive/Find.sh:
16:20 < CIA-3> * fixed Find to not match case sensitive, due to bugs in GNU sed 2.5.1
16:20 < CIA-3> we need to use sed to colorize case-insensitive matches, sigh
16:36 < CIA-3> rene * r17677 /trunk/package/textproc/htmldoc/ (. htmldoc.cache htmldoc.desc): * added htmldoc (1.8.26) - Converts HTML files into indexed HTML, Adobe PostScript, or Adobe PDF files
16:37 < CIA-3> rene * r17678 /trunk/package/base/binutils/ (binutils.conf binutils.desc): * updated binutils (2.17.50.0.1 -> 2.17.50.0.2)
16:38 < CIA-3> rene * r17679 /trunk/package/base/gcc/ (gcc.conf gcc.desc): * updated gcc (4.1.0 -> 4.1.1), including removing a gcc 4.1.0 work-around
16:41 * Lucifer_arma is away: sleeping
17:22 < karasz> being one, I am entitled to laugh of transylvanians ;)
17:23 < karasz> One transylvanian guy is sitting on the porch (in was raining like hell)...
17:23 < karasz> wife comes ou: -Come on in, it is raining...
17:23 < karasz> Guy: - I know, I know, it is raining here too....
17:23 < karasz> o_O
17:24 < Baldzius> :)))
17:27 < karasz> another one?
17:28 < Baldzius> plz
17:28 < karasz> A pair is making love.
17:29 < karasz> Suddenly a knock on the door..
17:29 < karasz> -Quick go on the balcony, the woman said. The guy executes himself and rushes to the balcony.
17:30 < mnemoc> we do the same kind of jokes about caracterised by galicians, north-west of spaim
17:30 < mnemoc> spain
17:30 < karasz> After a while he comes back ...
17:30 < karasz> I guess we are under a lot of stress lately, wife....
17:31 < Baldzius> :)))))
17:32 < karasz> ok, last one for today, i guess some guys here want to work ;)
17:32 < karasz>
17:32 < karasz> A man is taking a walk in Central park in New York. Suddenly he sees the
17:32 < karasz> little girl being attacked by a pit bull. He runs over and starts
17:32 < karasz> fighting with the dog. He succeds in killing the dog and saving the
17:32 < CIA-3> aldas * r17680 /trunk/package/gnome2/control-center/ (control-center.desc no_update_desktop_database.patch):
17:32 < CIA-3> * updated control-center (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
17:32 < CIA-3> * copyright update
17:33 < karasz> girls live. A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and says:
17:33 < karasz> - You are a hero, tomorrow you can read it in all the newspapers: "Brave
17:33 < karasz> New Yorker saves a little girl's life"
17:33 < karasz> - But I am not a New Yorker!
17:33 < karasz> - Oh, then it will say in newspapers in the morning: "Brave American
17:33 < CIA-3> aldas * r17681 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnopernicus/gnopernicus.desc: * updated gnopernicus (1.0.4 -> 1.1.0)
17:33 < karasz> saves a little girl's life"
17:33 < karasz> - But I am not an American. I am Afghan!
17:33 < karasz> The next day the newspapers say:
17:33 < karasz> "Islamic extremist kills American dog
17:33 < CIA-3> aldas * r17682 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed/sylpheed.desc: * updated sylpheed (2.2.4 -> 2.2.5)
17:33 < CIA-3> aldas * r17683 /trunk/package/gnome2/zenity/zenity.desc: * updated zenity (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
17:33 < mnemoc> :)
17:34 < Baldzius> :))
17:34 < karasz> although i find this a little sad...
17:34 < karasz> because it is true
17:35 < karasz> not the story I mean, but the case.
17:35 < mnemoc> ack
17:35 < karasz> hmmm, i can't let this to be the last, we need a funny one, let's make a onneliner, wel actually two liner
17:36 < karasz> How many jokes exist about blonde women?
17:36 < mnemoc> none?
17:36 < karasz> One, the rest are true stories.
17:36 < mnemoc> :p
17:42 < mnemoc> karasz: http://dl.geeks.cl/kdebase-3.5.2.tar.bz2
17:44 < karasz> dld.
17:45 < mnemoc> speed?
17:45 < karasz> installing with stone? or ?
17:46 < mnemoc> mine -i :)
17:46 < karasz> ofcourse...
17:47 < mnemoc> or tar if you are brave :)
17:47 * karasz seems that it passed a little bit too much time since i used T2 ....
17:47 < karasz> windows has the ability to moronize ppl :(
17:47 * mnemoc shuts up
17:50 < karasz> mnemoc: you don't have to.
17:50 < mnemoc> i prefer to :)
17:50 < karasz> it is your right ;)
17:56 < mnemoc> how was it?
17:57 < karasz> some skips about duplicated modified files but in rest ok
17:57 < karasz> i made the symlink and runit saw it and made the supervise for the service :)
17:58 < mnemoc> and kdm started?
18:01 < karasz> i had it started manualy before
18:01 < karasz> but i will do a logout
18:01 < karasz> brb
18:06 < karasz> oki, now I am back
18:07 < karasz> so tail is good, except the fact that kdm is in /opt/kde3/bin, not in /opt/kde3/sbin
18:07 < karasz> everything else is oki-docki
18:09 < karasz> mnemoc: corect line is `run D_bindir/kdm -nodaemon` I guess.
18:13 < mnemoc> :p
18:16 < CIA-3> amery * r17684 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/kdebase-kdm.tail:
18:16 < CIA-3> Nagy Karoly Gabriel :
18:16 < CIA-3> * added runit/TAIL file for kdm
18:16 < karasz> o-O
18:17 < karasz> why is gdm.tail named gdm-gdm.tail, and for kdm the proper name is kdebase-kdm.tail?
18:17 < karasz> wait, don't tell me
18:17 < karasz> i know.
18:18 * karasz slowly catching up with thinking again...
18:18 < mnemoc> *g*
18:19 < karasz> ok, ok, it was not that hard to figure out that kdebase is the pack and kdm is the app...
18:19 < karasz> whlist first gdm is the pack and second kdm is the pack :)
18:20 < karasz> s/gdm/kdm/second sentence
18:20 < mnemoc> :)
18:58 < CIA-3> aldas * r17685 /trunk/package/gnome2/eog/eog.desc: * updated eog (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
19:06 < CIA-3> aldas * r17686 /trunk/package/emulators/xmame/xmame.desc:
19:06 < CIA-3> keinek
19:06 < CIA-3> * updated xmame (0.105 -> 0.106)
19:09 < CIA-3> aldas * r17687 /trunk/package/graphic/scribus/scribus.desc: * updated scribus (1.3.3.1 -> 1.3.3.2)
19:11 < CIA-3> aldas * r17688 /trunk/package/games/lbreakout2/lbreakout2.desc: * updated lbreakout2 (2.6beta-5 -> 2.6beta-6)
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19:58 < CIA-3> aldas * r17689 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkhtml/gtkhtml.desc: * updated gtkhtml (3.10.1 -> 3.10.2)
19:58 < CIA-3> aldas * r17690 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-media/ (gnome-media.conf gnome-media.desc):
19:58 < CIA-3> * updated gnome-media (2.14.0 -> 2.14.2)
19:58 < CIA-3> * copyright update
19:59 < CIA-3> aldas * r17691 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-themes/gnome-themes.desc: * updated gnome-themes (2.14.0 -> 2.14.2)
20:15 < CIA-3> aldas * r17692 /trunk/package/gnome2/pan/pan.desc: * updated pan (0.97 -> 0.99)
20:20 < CIA-3> aldas * r17693 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-desktop/ (gnome-desktop.conf gnome-desktop.desc):
20:20 < CIA-3> * updated gnome-desktop (2.14.1.1 -> 2.14.2)
20:20 < CIA-3> * copyright update
20:39 < CIA-3> aldas * r17694 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-session/ (gnome-session.conf gnome-session.desc):
20:39 < CIA-3> * updated gnome-session (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
20:39 < CIA-3> * copyright update
20:40 < karasz> guys any reaction on the logos proposed on ML?
20:41 < karasz> is it just me or it looks like a 12 or 72?
20:44 < CIA-3> aldas * r17695 /trunk/package/network/nginx/nginx.desc: * updated nginx (0.3.47 -> 0.3.48)
20:52 < CIA-3> aldas * r17696 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-backgrounds/gnome-backgrounds.desc: * updated gnome-backgrounds (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
22:51 < karasz> cu guys
22:53 < morfoh> cu tavarish
22:53 < morfoh> karasz: good journey
23:19 < morfoh> vgn8
23:19 < morfoh> gn8
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