--- Log opened Fri May 19 00:00:15 2006 01:33 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.91] has joined #t2 03:04 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E12122.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 03:20 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E11EDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:20 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 04:00 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200.70.146.114] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:01 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200.70.160.10] has joined #t2 04:13 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200.70.160.10] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:43 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 04:52 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p83.129.168.133.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 05:03 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:06 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.157.140.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:19 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 06:10 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:52 < rxr_> morfoh: 18:10 < morfoh> rxr: by repeating false information again and again the 07:52 < rxr_> information will not become true ... and sorry the current 07:52 < rxr_> issue has nothing to do with your assumption for being 07:52 < rxr_> connected with the issue you tried to show here ... and I think 07:52 < rxr_> you've never thought about your subtile way of bashing people 07:52 < rxr_> you dislike while writing mails to the ML 07:53 -!- You're now known as rxr 07:53 < rxr> morfoh: what false information do you talk about and there was no bashing in my mails to the list 07:53 < rxr> the bashing was started by the replys 07:56 < rxr> and btw. I'll no longer hang much around in 07:56 < rxr> #t2, the last months communication behaviour of some people makes me sick 08:17 < valentin> moin 08:17 < valentin> moin rxr 08:18 < valentin> morfoh, rxr: i don't think by pointing fingers things will turn better. 08:26 < rxr> sure not, as doesn't ranting all the days 08:56 < valentin> good point. so maybe just stop it 08:56 < valentin> (sounds agressive, but is not meant to be agressive) 09:01 < valentin> we should split that chan into #t2-devel and #t2-community soon.... 09:01 < valentin> so we have a pure channel for development issues 09:01 < valentin> maybe this would calm the waves a bit 09:07 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.91] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:07 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.91] has joined #t2 09:12 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 09:13 -!- morfoh_ [n=morfoh@p54BEFB90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 09:24 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEF808.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:24 -!- morfoh_ is now known as morfoh 09:35 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:07 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 10:07 < morfoh> valentin: read my last mails and the replies on it carefully and you'll see. It's a real pitty, I just expressed my frustration about the deletion of a package with the wish for better communication. tAnd believe me, here is no direct or hidden connection to the issue nearly 2 month ago. And btw, what do you want to solve with splitting up a channel and what should it calm down ? You know better that it won't. I guess You know the problem quite well 10:11 < valentin> hi morfoh 10:11 < morfoh> valentin: the only issues I wanted to talk about are the style of communication and the way of taking project related decissions. 10:11 < morfoh> hi valentin :) 10:11 < valentin> as you can guess, this split thing is not to be taken too serious 10:11 < morfoh> valentin: of course it can't 10:11 < valentin> i just wanted to express my wish that discussions should focus on content rather than on style 10:11 < morfoh> ;) 10:12 < valentin> i don't know the reason why discussions heat up that fast here 10:12 < valentin> but everyone seems to have problems to stay rational 10:12 < morfoh> valentin: but a minimal amount of respect should be within every style 10:12 < valentin> and that 'who pisses whom' discussion leads to nowhere 10:12 < valentin> morfoh: yes 10:14 < valentin> a problem is, that criticism is taken to personal when talking here. for example phrases like "which idiot broke XYZ" is a personal insult to the person who did 10:15 < valentin> as i understand, rxr is quite frustrated because of stuff like that and you are quite frustrated, because he doesn't ask you for feedback anymore. right ? 10:16 < morfoh> valentin: it's a matter of respect for me to ask the package maintainer before deleting a package. and _not_ on IRC. 10:17 < valentin> we have svn revert ;) 10:18 < valentin> well, my package kopete was deleted by someone else without asking, but that was okay because it had a reason 10:18 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.91] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:19 < morfoh> valentin: ack ... this was a good example for bad behavior of me ;) 10:19 < morfoh> valentin: but I guess we discussed that issue in a quite friendly way 10:20 < valentin> sure 10:20 < valentin> somehow the voice between you three got a bit more unfriendly. steadily. 10:20 < valentin> and i do not want to analyze that, because you are all grown ups and i am just a channel lurker 10:22 < morfoh> valentin: I even had the opposite impression the last weeks. of course the situation was heated up 6-7weeks ago 10:23 < rxr> morfoh: why of course? what was 6-7 weeks ago ? 10:23 < valentin> back to the current reason i understand rxr, he is quite overworked and under preassure to get more t2 pr and this means release fast. 10:28 < morfoh> valentin: that's completely understandable, but what I wanted to point out is the style of communication and the way on taking decissions. And I think this should be discussable within a project. 10:29 < valentin> morfoh: so here is your chance. any better Roadmap that is realistic ? 10:29 < rxr> morfoh: thanks for answering 10:30 * rxr away - cu 10:30 < morfoh> valentin: I really think that this is not a real topic for IRC. 10:30 < morfoh> cu rxr 10:30 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.62.20] has joined #t2 10:31 < morfoh> valentin: I mean starting a thread on ML doesn't hurt 10:31 < valentin> sure 10:31 < valentin> bbl 10:31 < morfoh> valentin: cu 10:40 < rxr> though one more note, I first proposed a "2.2.0 release schedule" 10 days ago, and noone replied 10:40 < rxr> but now I'm catching the next bus 11:28 < CIA-7> rene * r17526 /trunk/scripts/Build-Tools: * more options for uname to fix 3-perl regression 11:55 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:07 -!- karasz is now known as fist_o 12:07 -!- fist_o is now known as fist_o_rage 12:08 < fist_o_rage> moin. 12:10 < mnemoc> moin :) 12:13 < fist_o_rage> moin mnemoc 12:17 -!- fist_o_rage is now known as karasz 12:17 < mnemoc> no quote of the day? 12:17 < karasz> no. 12:17 < mnemoc> :( 12:21 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.102.40] has joined #t2 12:21 < Baldzius> moin 12:22 < mnemoc> wb Baldzius! 12:22 < Baldzius> hi mnemoc :) 12:24 < morfoh> hi tavarish karasz 12:24 < morfoh> hi Baldzius :) 12:24 < karasz> mooin Baldzius 12:25 < karasz> kommrad...wb 12:25 < Baldzius> hi morfoh & karasz :) 12:25 < morfoh> thx :) 12:38 -!- karasz is now known as fist_o_rage 12:40 < CIA-7> susan * r17527 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (1.4.0 -> 1.4.1) 13:07 < fist_o_rage> mnemoc: unregistered nicks cannot use query 13:07 < mnemoc> :( 13:07 < mnemoc> register it ,-) 13:08 < mnemoc> after that you can link both 14:53 -!- Baldzius_ [n=baldzius@85.206.106.19] has joined #t2 14:55 -!- morfoh_ [n=morfoh@p54BEE2D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 14:56 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.102.40] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:05 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEFB90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:05 -!- morfoh_ is now known as morfoh 15:36 < fist_o_rage> bbl 15:36 < fist_o_rage> cu 15:40 < mnemoc> cu karasz 16:08 < CIA-7> chris * r17528 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/prelude-lml.desc: * updated prelude-lml (0.9.4 -> 0.9.5) 16:13 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has quit [ACK! SIGSEGV!] 16:29 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has joined #t2 16:29 -!- ServerMode/#t2 [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net 16:41 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.62.20] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:58 < fist_o_rage> re 17:00 < morfoh> wb fist_o_maniac :) 17:01 < fist_o_rage> thx kommrad morfoh 17:02 < morfoh> fist_o_maniac: what do you try to express with your nick ? :) 17:02 * fist_o_rage moving in background 17:02 < morfoh> what are you doing in background mode ? 17:03 < _Ragnar_> o_o 17:03 < fist_o_rage> reading, writting docu and such enlightening activities. 17:09 < morfoh> bbl 17:31 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEE2D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:56 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEE2D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:14 < fist_o_rage> wb 19:30 < morfoh> fist_o_manic :) 19:42 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEE2D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Reconnecting"] 19:42 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEE2D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:50 < fist_o_rage> hmm, why do you keep on calling me manic? 19:50 < morfoh> fist_o_rage: no particular reason :p 19:51 < fist_o_rage> ahum, ok. 20:24 -!- fist_o_rage is now known as karasz 20:25 < morfoh> karasz: thanks tavarish :) 20:25 < karasz> hm? 20:26 < mnemoc> we don't want *rage around ,-) 20:26 < karasz> hmmm, i don't think that i acted like i felt, but if i did sorry. 20:28 * karasz wonders what did fisy_o_rage do to become unwanted around.... 20:28 < mnemoc> nah, i was just teasing you 20:28 < karasz> same here ;) 20:28 < mnemoc> :( 20:39 * karasz wonders where did he saw last time the days fast forward button... 20:40 < mnemoc> please don'T press it, i'm already late :( 20:41 < karasz> have no fear companero, i haven't found it 20:41 < karasz> ... yet 20:41 < mnemoc> gracias camarada 20:41 < mnemoc> :( 20:50 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEE2D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:51 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEE2D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 22:23 < CIA-7> amery * r17529 /trunk/package/xorg/ (fixesproto/fixesproto.desc libxfixes/libxfixes.desc): 22:23 < CIA-7> * downdated libxfixes (4.0 -> 3.0.1.2) - it breaks gtk apps (runtime) badly 22:23 < CIA-7> * downdated fixesproto (4.0 -> 3.0.2) - it breaks gtk apps (runtime) badly 22:24 < _Ragnar_> O_O 22:25 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: hi, have you built uclibc based targets on trunk reciently? 22:26 < _Ragnar_> no >.< 22:26 < _Ragnar_> no time really 22:27 < mnemoc> :( 22:27 < _Ragnar_> why? 22:28 < mnemoc> because my tries have failed dramaticly and i wanted to know if it was a general problem or just failing for me 22:28 < _Ragnar_> likely general problem >.< uclibc is a big mess 22:29 < mnemoc> :) 22:30 < _Ragnar_> I tried to get a recent sendmail to work with it, but I couldn't get it to resolve anything 22:30 < mnemoc> oh 22:31 < _Ragnar_> how is dietlibc these days? 22:32 < mnemoc> not better if you want to make a not cross-build build 22:33 < mnemoc> without perl you can't build autocrap on stage2 and everything goes to hell :( 22:33 < _Ragnar_> >.< sucks 22:33 < mnemoc> and i have been unable to allocate time for that :\ 22:34 < _Ragnar_> yea :/ 22:34 < _Ragnar_> always too little time 22:35 < mnemoc> yep :( 22:35 < karasz> mnemoc: kommrad is not around? or is he ignoring me ? ;) 22:36 < mnemoc> just ignoring you :) 22:36 < _Ragnar_> o_o 22:36 < karasz> :) thought so 22:36 < mnemoc> :) 22:39 < _Ragnar_> so what are you up to these days? 22:41 < mnemoc> in what field? :) 22:42 < _Ragnar_> in general 22:44 < mnemoc> difficult question :p 22:45 < _Ragnar_> why? :) 22:45 < mnemoc> because i'm too tired to think :p 22:58 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178189181.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 22:58 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 22:58 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Mar 11 22:55:45 2006] 22:58 [Users #t2] 22:58 [@ChanServ ] [ dsoul ] [ michal`] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ _Ragnar_] 22:58 [ Baldzius_] [ karasz] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ tdi ] 22:58 [ CIA-7 ] [ laj ] [ morfoh ] [ rxr_] [ valentin] 22:58 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 22:58 -!- [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 22:58 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 22:59 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 23:07 < karasz> cu all later 23:07 < karasz> bye 23:07 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178152153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:09 < mnemoc> cu karasz --- Log closed Sat May 20 00:00:21 2006