T2 IRC Log: 2006-05-07

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--- Log opened Sun May 07 00:00:00 2006
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06:21 < misl> morning folks :)
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08:16 < LMJ> moins
08:16 < LMJ> moin
08:24 < mnemoc> moin :)
08:29 < tdi> moin
09:11 < valentin> moin
09:20 < tdi> moinv
09:52 < tdi> i do not want to live in Canada
09:56 < valentin> wow - i thought canada was quite good
09:57 < valentin> besides their affinity to french language ;)
10:02 -!- You're now known as rxr
10:28 < CIA-7> rene * r17394 /trunk/package/graphic/dcraw/ (dcraw.conf dcraw.desc): * updated dcraw (8.05 -> 8.15)
10:38 < CIA-7> rene * r17395 /trunk/package/security/openssl/ (lib64.patch openssl.desc): * updated openssl (0.9.8a -> 0.9.8b)
10:41 < CIA-7> rene * r17396 /trunk/package/graphic/dcraw/ (dcraw.conf dcraw.desc): * added the manpage to dcraw and polished the I tag
10:51 < CIA-7> rene * r17397 /trunk/package/x11/xdialog/xdialog.desc: * updated xdialog (2.2.0 -> 2.2.1)
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10:51 < morfoh> moin
10:53 < CIA-7> rene * r17398 /trunk/package/network/liferea/liferea.desc: * updated liferea (1.0.10a -> 1.0.12)
10:53 < mnemoc> moin morfoh
10:54 < morfoh> moin mnemoc
11:05 < CIA-7> rene * r17399 /trunk/package/graphic/dcraw/dcraw.desc: * changed dcraw category from extra/tool to extra/graphic
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12:31 * morfoh hands over some pieces of brown coal to sepp
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12:55 < LMJ> moin moin
13:05 < morfoh> LMJ: moin joda master :)
13:05 < mnemoc> o_O
13:05 < LMJ> hello morfoh & mnemoc
13:07 < morfoh> LMJ: :)
14:31 < CIA-7> chris * r17400 /trunk/package/gnome2/dia/dia.desc: * fixed dia URL tag
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15:02 < mnemoc> wb morfoh_
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15:42 [Users #t2]
15:42 [@ChanServ] [ idealm ] [ LMJ ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ _Ragnar_]
15:42 [ CIA-7 ] [ karasz_] [ michal`] [ mtr ] [ tdi ]
15:42 [ dsoul ] [ laj ] [ mnemoc ] [ mtr_ ] [ valentin]
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15:45 < CIA-7> chris * r17401 /trunk/package/gnome2/dia/gcc4.patch: * removed gcc4.patch from dia package (obsolete - was changed upstream)
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16:47 < CIA-7> rene * r17402 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils.desc: * updated binutils (2.16.91.0.7 -> 2.17.50.0.1)
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18:02 < sepp> moin
18:04 < tdi> moin
18:04 < sepp> hi tdi
18:16 < mnemoc> moin tdi,sepp
18:21 < sepp> hi mnemoc
18:21 < morfoh> moin sepp :)
18:25 < sepp> hi morfoh
18:53 < LMJ> moin moin
19:17 < tdi> 21:20 < Ymarg> moin
19:17 < tdi> gentoo.pl@ircnet
19:18 < tdi> they stole moin
19:18 < morfoh> tdi: we have to sue them
19:19 < tdi> or own
19:20 < morfoh> tdi: even better *evil* =:)
19:27 < valentin> tdi: well, we forked moin from #rock...
19:29 < morfoh> valentin: even better ... anyway we all know that 'moin' is older than rock :p
19:29 < morfoh> valentin: btw, moin :))
19:29 < valentin> moin morfoh
19:30 < valentin> well, after evening dinner even northern germans do not say moin anymore, right ?
19:30 < morfoh> dunno
19:31 < valentin> some old guy told me
19:31 < mnemoc> valentin: acording to wikipedia it means 'good', not 'morning'
19:31 < valentin> lol
19:31 < valentin> maybe that old chap was wrong then
19:32 < mnemoc> :)
19:32 < valentin> but he always said moin until evening
19:32 < valentin> he even had a reason for that
19:32 < valentin> but i forgot
19:32 < morfoh> valentin: or too muc h "kuestennebel" :)
19:33 < tdi> in belgium
19:33 < tdi> in Ostbelgien
19:33 < tdi> they pronounce morgen as moin
19:34 < morfoh> tdi: and I guess they drink a lot's of kuestennebel
19:34 < tdi> i do not know what is that
19:34 < tdi> they drink Jupiler Bier
19:36 < tdi> i havent seen them drinking kuestennebel
19:36 < tdi> i check in google what that is
19:37 < tdi> they drink beer, and die after few schnapses, which is in fact a vodka imitation :)
19:47 < LMJ> hello valentin and tdi
19:47 < mnemoc> .oO( finally someone writting vodka without w )o
19:49 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200.70.176.59] has joined #t2
19:49 < keinek> hi guys
19:49 < morfoh> hi keinek
19:49 < LMJ> got 2 full bottles of something called Eristoff on my desk mnemoc , you want some ? ;)
19:49 < mnemoc> wb keinek
19:49 < keinek> hi morfoh
19:50 < keinek> i need you help.
19:50 < morfoh> keinek: did you were in the chicken today ?
19:50 < keinek> mnemoc you help too.
19:50 < mnemoc> LMJ: just a bit, please
19:50 < keinek> i will give up.
19:50 * LMJ give a glass with vodka to mnemoc without wait his answer
19:50 < morfoh> :)
19:50 < LMJ> hello keinek
19:50 < keinek> :P
19:50 < mnemoc> LMJ: thanks
19:50 < keinek> anybody can confirm if slmodem driver work in the 2.6 kernel?
19:50 < LMJ> welcome
19:50 < morfoh> LMJ: mnemoc will die after one glass of vodka
19:51 < LMJ> LOL
19:51 < LMJ> hold on mnemoc , let me put some water ;)
19:51 < mnemoc> :(
19:51 < LMJ> what is your modem keinek ?
19:51 < morfoh> LMJ: you should have seen him after _one_ "Weizenbier"
19:51 < keinek> almost one year of testing and i cant do working this FUC*ng modem...
19:51 < morfoh> keinek: that's a long time for testing
19:51 < keinek> slmode, i have netodragon, arm, onboard modems, all modems is the same thing
19:52 < keinek> is the same driver.
19:52 < keinek> i try the driver that i have in the trunk of t2 in debian, on a kernel 2.4 and work fine.
19:52 < keinek> but in t2, i need to compile all a build for testing
19:52 < LMJ> USB ADSL modem ?
19:52 < keinek> LMJ, :P is a dial up modem.
19:53 < LMJ> haaaa
19:53 < keinek> this driver is for the generic modems that come in onboard mothers.
19:53 < keinek> and..
19:53 < keinek> DONT WORK IN T2
19:53 < LMJ> identify your modem, deduce what driver it needs, and see if the modem is supported by 2.6.1x
19:53 < LMJ> on t2 ?
19:53 < keinek> is the only thing that i cant do with t2
19:54 < LMJ> you can recompile the kernel to active this driver, no ?
19:54 < keinek> LMJ no
19:54 < keinek> dont work that for me
19:54 < mnemoc> config/default/kernel.cfg
19:54 < keinek> mnemoc, why mnemosyne dont wanna recompile the kernel?
19:54 < mnemoc> .oO
19:55 < keinek> was a hard work make my own little t2 distro.
19:56 < keinek> and is a hard work understand t2 today too.
19:56 < keinek> but.
19:56 < keinek> is the only that i like to use in my computer.
19:56 < LMJ> :-D
19:56 < keinek> yesterday i try gentoo.
19:56 < LMJ> --> [ ]
19:56 < keinek> now i put a cup of tea in the cd...
19:56 < LMJ> hehe
19:56 < morfoh> keinek: why it's hard ? it isn't if you're choosing the right base
19:57 < morfoh> keinek: hehe ... I provided a gentoo cd for the same purpose to mnemoc :p
19:57 < mnemoc> he use a borked mnemosyne fork
19:57 < mnemoc> :)
19:57 < keinek> ok, i only want to know if anybody can working this driver.
19:57 < morfoh> keinek: evil you :p
19:57 < keinek> yes, thanks mnemoc.
19:58 < keinek> now i only can talk with mnemoc, but i change somethins in mnemosyne, so... is my fault?
19:58 < keinek> in debian i can compile this driver in ten seconds.
19:59 < keinek> is the only good thing in debian...
19:59 < keinek> because the computer work like old XT IBM
20:00 < keinek> debian is fat.
20:00 < keinek> so.
20:00 < keinek> i need this driver guys.
20:00 < keinek> the error is the error in symbols or something like that.
20:01 < keinek> mnemoc, i can add kernel 2.4 in mnemosyne ??
20:01 < keinek> i dont know what to do....
20:02 < keinek> the other exits is but some adsl service with a ethernet modem, and all my problem are solve.
20:02 < keinek> but i dont want give up..
20:02 < keinek> so much people in argentina and friends need this driver in t2.
20:03 < keinek> o friend use T2 for playing music, he is DJ. :
20:03 < keinek> :)
20:03 < keinek> morfoh, ?
20:03 < keinek> mnemoc, ?
20:03 < keinek> :'(
20:04 < keinek> ok... this driver is use in rocklinux too, but i cant found information here, rocklinux is in ruins...
20:04 < keinek> google is not very helpfull.
20:06 < keinek> :(
20:07 < mnemoc> keinek: enable linux24 and modutils on the linux module
20:07 < keinek> thanks mnemoc.
20:08 < keinek> i will try this.
20:08 < keinek> i think that slmodem packet, dont work anymore....
20:09 < keinek> i think that is broken...
20:09 < keinek> mnemoc, this packet was added in the desktop target of version 2.2
20:09 < keinek> but i cant pass the stage 1
20:09 < keinek> so i cant test it.
20:10 < keinek> who add this packet in the desktop target?
20:11 < morfoh> keinek: sed
20:12 < keinek> thank morfoh
20:12 < keinek> so... perhaps... sed use that package
20:12 < keinek> i must talk to him.
20:12 < keinek> where is he?
20:12 < morfoh> keinek: mine -p sed
20:13 < mnemoc> O_O
20:13 < keinek> this is like a cruzade....
20:14 < morfoh> keinek: to not confuse you more than needed ... the desktop target uses sed patterns to select the packages. that means if a new package is added for example and a used sed pattern matches the package gets magically enabled.
20:14 < mnemoc> or if they are relocated they are magicly lost
20:15 < keinek> so nobody add this package there?
20:15 < mnemoc> maybe
20:15 < mnemoc> svn log target/desktop can tell you
20:15 < keinek> i have a little problem with drivers with t2
20:16 < keinek> i know is another concept of distro.
20:16 < keinek> if a friend tell me "hey i wanna t2" i said "yes... o course",
20:16 < keinek> tomorrow....
20:16 < keinek> "hey, i wanna running my generic modem slmodm"
20:17 < keinek> i said: "i sorry, but you can compile this driver, you must add another computer with debian, compile it there, and share the internet connection..."
20:17 < keinek> my friend " WHAT THE fu**!!!"
20:18 < keinek> i know....
20:18 < mnemoc> keinek: you are welcome to send a patch to fix slmodem at t2 if it's broken
20:18 < keinek> mnemoc,
20:18 < keinek> i wanna do that
20:18 < keinek> but i have work a lot.
20:18 < keinek> more a more testing build.
20:19 < keinek> but i never can fix the fuc*** error ...
20:19 < keinek> this is like de nvidia drivers.
20:19 < keinek> i can with nvidia drivers, i try and try and i got the nvidia full 3d working in t2.
20:20 < keinek> but with the slmodem just i cant...
20:20 < keinek> 3
20:20 < keinek> :(
20:20 < keinek> this is a generic driver, i need help, more people like me have this modems.
20:21 < keinek> we must add this driver in all t2, like the sound.
20:21 < keinek> this modems is present in all motherboards.
20:21 < keinek> but relax.
20:22 < keinek> i only want to know if anybody use this driver.
20:22 < keinek> in t2 of course...
20:22 < keinek> if anybody do work this driver with t2, and talk with him
20:22 < keinek> :)
20:23 < keinek> i wanna know, perhaps is just do a mistake...
20:23 < mnemoc> keinek: ask rxr, he is the maintainer of the package
20:23 < mnemoc> keinek: i have never used it
20:23 < keinek> thanks mnemoc.
20:24 < keinek> the problem is that t2 is a little community.
20:24 < mnemoc> $ grep '\[M' package/*/slmodem/*.desc
20:24 < mnemoc> [M] Rene Rebe
20:24 < mnemoc> :-)
20:24 < keinek> yes i saw that
20:24 < keinek> but rene do too muck packets
20:24 < keinek> much*
20:25 < mnemoc> yep :\
20:25 < keinek> perhaps i need to talk to the maintainer of the same package in rock linux.
20:25 < mnemoc> i doubt that would help you
20:25 < keinek> i think that rene never use that modem.
20:26 < sepp> i have such a modem - but nothing to plug the cable into :(
20:26 < keinek> what is doubt?
20:26 < mnemoc> keinek: duda
20:27 < keinek> ok.. i am alone... :(
20:27 < keinek> ok
20:27 < keinek> mnemoc, how is the new test 2.1?
20:27 < mnemoc> i'm running one
20:29 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178159117.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2
20:29 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
20:29 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Mar 11 22:55:45 2006]
20:29 [Users #t2]
20:29 [@ChanServ] [ karasz_] [ LMJ ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
20:29 [ CIA-7 ] [ keinek ] [ michal`] [ mtr ] [ sepp] [ _Ragnar_]
20:29 [ dsoul ] [ laj ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ tdi ]
20:29 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
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20:29 * keinek shot i lot of cd of ubunto on the head of sepp
20:29 < keinek> :P
20:30 < sepp> huuh ?
20:30 < keinek> sorry sepp
20:31 < keinek> sepp, that driver work with many many modems.
20:31 < keinek> neto drogan, and more
20:31 < keinek> :)
20:31 < keinek> we need this driver
20:32 < sepp> keinek: i know - my laptop has such a modem (never used this) - if i find the notebook modem cable and the isdn thing i'll test it
20:35 < keinek> thanks sepp
20:35 < keinek> i will tell you the error that i have
20:35 < keinek> wait.
20:37 < keinek> dmesg show me that:
20:38 < keinek> slamr: module license 'Smart Link Ltd.' taints kernel.
20:38 < keinek> slamr: Unknown symbol get_device
20:38 < keinek> slamr: Unknown symbol put_device
20:38 < keinek> slamr: Unknown symbol device_release_driver
20:38 < keinek> :(
20:38 < keinek> so, t2 detect the modem in the boot, but cant active...
20:39 < keinek> i add the driver to a mnemosyne like target
20:41 < keinek> mnemoc, why dont use the translate to spanish in the new page of t2?
20:41 < mnemoc> keinek: simply because there is noone working on that site
20:42 < keinek> ooh.. ok, but remember i do a translating with love :'(
20:42 < mnemoc> before translating we have to have something to translate
20:43 < keinek> mnemoc, one more...
20:43 < keinek> svn dont download all the trunk 2.2 in version 2.1
20:43 < keinek> is needer the new version of svn to download the complete t2-trunk in t2-2.1.1.1
20:43 < mnemoc> keinek: do it again
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20:44 < mnemoc> keinek: svn up, until it'S complete
20:44 < keinek> mnemoc, what to do?
20:44 < keinek> no you cant understand me.
20:44 < keinek> the svn that is inthere 2.1.1.1 cant download the new certificates.
20:45 < keinek> so utilities and mnemosyne does not download with older version of svn.
20:45 < mnemoc> accpet the offered certicficate
20:45 < mnemoc> i use svn from 2.1 here, and works
20:46 < mnemoc> there is nothing related to the versions
20:46 < keinek> in the old version dont asking me, only in the new version
20:46 < keinek> perhaps is my mistake
20:46 < mnemoc> $ svn --version
20:46 < mnemoc> svn, versión 1.2.1 (r15230)
20:46 < keinek> yes is the same.
20:47 < keinek> and what download, the http or svn?
20:47 < keinek> you know we have many ways to download with svn in the download page.
20:48 < mnemoc> https
20:49 < keinek> Mmmm the are my mistake.
20:49 < keinek> in one of them the old svn dont work fine.
21:06 < sepp> keinek: i have not tested it, but try http://www.ok--computer.com/linux/asus/slmodem-2.9.10-abby.diff ...
21:10 < keinek> thanks sepp
21:10 < keinek> but this is a path?
21:10 < keinek> patch?
21:10 < LMJ> back
21:16 < sepp> yes - just asked google ...
21:19 < keinek> :)
21:19 < keinek> i think that first i must try to compile the driver in another distro with kernel 2.6, when i know that i have the correct driver, i will join that into t2 tree.
21:37 < keinek> sepp, the only way to compile a driver in t2 is recompiling the kernel?
21:38 < sepp> if it is a 3rd party kernel module - yes
21:40 < keinek> :(
21:42 < sepp> i'll test slmodem ...
21:44 < keinek> thanks sepp
21:44 < keinek> i think that you are the better option
21:44 < keinek> ;)
21:48 < keinek> sepp, i you got this, t2 will be ready for the 3er world
21:48 < keinek> :)
21:49 < mnemoc> O_O
21:50 < keinek> mnemoc, so much people still have dial up conection
21:50 < keinek> :)
21:51 < mnemoc> sure, but that doesn't mean that 't2 will be ready for the 3er world'
21:52 < mnemoc> we need lot of work to be usable really usable by a wide range of normal people
21:53 < keinek> mnemoc, my kids use t2 :P
21:53 < keinek> i work a lot in mnemosyne.
21:54 < keinek> now, when the instalation is finish, t2 configure alsa, nvidia, X, and emulators.
21:54 < keinek> :)
21:54 < keinek> i know my style is something newby, but work fine :P
21:55 < keinek> is the best distro that ever try
21:55 < keinek> but need slmodem with that, my friends use more t2
21:55 < mnemoc> my daughters also use a T2/mnemosyne based system, but that doesn'T say much imo
21:56 < mnemoc> just that they have an insane father
21:56 < keinek> i am be more a user of t2 that developer.
21:56 < keinek> mnemoc, i know mnemoc, and when you see again your daughters?
21:56 < keinek> how is the life in germany?
21:56 < mnemoc> keinek: december i hope
21:57 < mnemoc> i have to go :)
21:57 < mnemoc> bbl
21:59 < keinek> be back later?
22:12 < sepp> yup
22:13 < keinek> :)
22:24 < mnemoc> re :)
22:39 < sepp> wb mnemoc
22:47 < LMJ> i create a new package
22:47 < LMJ> what is the good command again to send it to the ML ?
22:48 < LMJ> diff package/foo/bar ?
22:48 < LMJ> diff -u ?
22:48 < mnemoc> LMJ: to use diff you need a second tree to comper both
22:48 < mnemoc> LMJ: it's easier to use `svn diff`
22:49 < LMJ> this is a new package
22:49 < mnemoc> but yes, diff -u and to apply with -p1 or -p0
22:49 < mnemoc> LMJ: diff against /dev/null
22:49 < LMJ> diff -u package/foo /dev/null ?
22:50 < LMJ> or the /dev/null before ?
22:50 < mnemoc> from /dev/null to package/foo/bar
22:50 * LMJ is a huge n00b with this kinf of svn, cvs, collaborative tools ;)
22:53 < mnemoc> anyway it's better to use svn diff even for new packages
22:53 < LMJ> it gives me an error
22:54 < mnemoc> svn add the pacakge first
22:54 < LMJ> HAAA ;)
23:00 < LMJ> sent
23:02 < LMJ> I hope it could work ;)
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23:08 < mnemoc> LMJ: you forgot the checksum
23:08 < mnemoc> LMJ: and the name of the author
23:09 < mnemoc> LMJ: and please, attach the patches instad of pasting them :(
23:09 < LMJ> oups
23:09 < LMJ> oups
23:09 < LMJ> ok
23:09 < mnemoc> LMJ: for the .cache file copy the one from your system to the $confdir
23:09 < mnemoc> as $pkg.cache
23:09 < mnemoc> also svn add it
23:10 < LMJ> Daniel Kouril is the name of the guys
23:10 < mnemoc> so it's part of the same `svn diff`
23:10 < LMJ> i see
23:12 < LMJ> humm, i don't have the checksim
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23:30 < LMJ> how to generate the checksum ?
23:32 < morfoh> LMJ: ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch foo | patch -p0
23:32 < morfoh> foo = package
23:33 < LMJ> ;)
23:33 < morfoh> LMJ: btw, I'm still waiting
23:33 < morfoh> :)
23:33 < LMJ> hehe
23:33 < LMJ> just wait
23:35 < morfoh> .oO( damn joda master ... this is most probably an excersise to become a jedi ... or what ? )o
23:38 < LMJ> i re-sent it mnemoc
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