T2 IRC Log: 2006-04-27
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--- Log opened Thu Apr 27 00:00:04 2006
--- Day changed Thu Apr 27 2006
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00:00 < morfoh> hi keinek ... unfortunately you're a bit too late. you missed an interesting conversation :)
00:01 < keinek> hi
00:01 < keinek> hi morfoh
00:01 < keinek> hahaha ok thank morfoh :P
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00:42 < CIA-7> chris * r17254 /trunk/package/network/tcpflow/ (. tcpflow.cache tcpflow.desc): * added tcpflow (0.21) - A TCP flow recorder.
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01:07 < CIA-7> chris * r17256 /trunk/package/security/yersinia/ (. yersinia.cache yersinia.desc): * added yersinia (0.5.6) - A framework for layer 2 attacks.
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01:21 < CIA-7> chris * r17257 /trunk/package/security/p0f/ (. p0f.cache p0f.desc): * added p0f (2.0.6) - A passive OS fingerprinting tool.
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02:59 < CIA-7> chris * r17258 /trunk/package/network/macchanger/ (. macchanger.desc): * added macchanger (1.5.0) - A utility for manipulating MAC addresses of network interfaces.
03:07 < CIA-7> chris * r17259 /trunk/package/network/macchanger/macchanger.cache: * added forgotten cache file to macchanger package
03:22 < CIA-7> chris * r17260 /trunk/package/security/wipe/ (. wipe.cache wipe.desc): * added wipe (2.2.0) - A tool that offers secure deletion of files from magnetic media.
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06:20 < CIA-7> susan * r17261 /trunk/package/gnome2/rhythmbox/rhythmbox.desc: * updated rhythmbox (0.9.4 -> 0.9.4.1)
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09:07 < morfoh> hi
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09:38 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
09:38 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Mar 11 22:55:45 2006]
09:38 [Users #t2]
09:38 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
09:38 [ Baldzius] [ keinek] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
09:38 [ CIA-7 ] [ laj ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ _Ragnar_]
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10:32 < Baldzius> hi morfoh
10:34 < morfoh> moin Baldzius ol'farmer :)
10:34 < Baldzius> :)
10:34 < morfoh> how are you and your animals today ? :)
10:34 < Baldzius> don't know , just got up :)
10:34 < morfoh> oh! :)
10:34 < Baldzius> oh and me ok :)
10:35 < morfoh> :)
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10:45 < CIA-7> chris * r17262 /trunk/package/network/tcptrace/ (. tcptrace.cache tcptrace.conf tcptrace.desc): * added tcptrace (6.6.7) - A TCP connection analysis tool.
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11:15 < tdi> re
11:16 < mnemoc> wb tdi
11:17 < tdi> t2 is ineteresting, ever thinking of writing some stuff to translate gentoo ebuilds to you system package description ?
11:17 < morfoh> hi tdi
11:17 < tdi> it would be nice thing for porting more packages
11:18 < morfoh> tdi: yes
11:18 < morfoh> :)
11:18 < tdi> ohh so it has been done?
11:18 < mnemoc> tdi: most code on ebuilds is useless, what can be nice is to take the patches and the package lists :)
11:18 < tdi> i find use flags the most usable thing in gentoo
11:19 < morfoh> tdi: but packaging in T2 is easy anyway :)
11:19 < tdi> this gives real power
11:19 < morfoh> tdi: I don't think so
11:19 < tdi> why
11:19 < morfoh> why do you want to use hardcoded useflags ?
11:19 < morfoh> T2 is much smarter
11:20 < tdi> so i manualy set --enable=blablas?
11:20 < morfoh> if a package can be extended by another it can be detected automatically
11:22 < morfoh> so if you define a system which should include LDAP support you can assume that you would like to have LDAP support in other packages too ... but neverthenless you can tweak all the things on several layers
11:22 < morfoh> tdi: and don't forget ! T2 is a build kit ... not a distro
11:23 < tdi> yes hard to remember that
11:23 < morfoh> the targets you're defining is a distro !
11:23 < tdi> why i am interested in t2 is the fact i would like to build
11:23 < tdi> a distro for myself totally RSBACed
11:23 < mnemoc> it makes no sense to have to tell the tool to enable the support for some package if the package has been enabled. it's ismply dumb
11:24 < mnemoc> it only make sense to enable things like SSP or PIE
11:26 < CIA-7> chris * r17263 /trunk/package/network/hping/hping.desc:
11:26 < CIA-7> * updated hping copyright note and short description
11:26 < CIA-7> * took over maintainership of hping ;)
11:27 < tdi> i think i do not have a full idea of what t2 is ..:(
11:27 < mnemoc> :)
11:27 < tdi> so assuming sb wants to build a distro
11:27 < tdi> he takes t2 and makes it yes?
11:28 < morfoh> tdi: it is a tool for building custom distributions :)
11:28 < morfoh> tdi: yep
11:28 < tdi> but based on t2 packaging system ?
11:28 * mnemoc prefer the word 'tailored'
11:29 < mnemoc> tdi: if you don'T like to package pre-built packages using .tar.{bz2,gz,lzo} you could easily implement your favorite format
11:30 < tdi> i meant package menegemant
11:30 < tdi> management
11:30 < morfoh> tdi: yes ... that's what mnemoc said :)
11:30 < mnemoc> rsync + mine is a 'package management system'
11:31 < mnemoc> or wget, or curl, ...
11:31 < mnemoc> if you want to provide updates to the users of your rsbac-centred distribution, you should provide them of the pre-built packages
11:32 < mnemoc> so they fetch them and using bize, or mine, or even tar they drop them in their running system
11:33 < tdi> i do not want to have users:)
11:34 < tdi> lol
11:35 < mnemoc> so the only thing you need is a working copy of t2, a definition for your target, storage and build power :)
11:35 < tdi> i can tell you sth what may interest you all here
11:35 < tdi> ive got a guy on my university, who started his own distro some time go
11:36 < tdi> what is the point
11:36 < tdi> he makes it by his own
11:36 < mnemoc> tdi: mnemosyne target ( a modular and abstract target) includes RSBAC but it lacks of an initial set of rules
11:36 < tdi> and he developed a controversial framework of maintaining the distro
11:36 < mnemoc> .oO( sounds like pain )o
11:37 < tdi> with automated testing of packages, auto updates and so on
11:37 < CIA-7> chris * r17264 /trunk/package/security/dsniff/ (dsniff.conf dsniff.desc):
11:37 < CIA-7> * updated dsniff copyright note and short description
11:37 < CIA-7> * took over T2 maintainership of dsniff
11:37 < tdi> this system notifies him about the changes in packages (like additional support of something in lets say ssh)
11:38 < tdi> and notifies about errors in package building
11:39 < mnemoc> lot of work he did
11:40 < tdi> yes
11:40 < tdi> it is controversial but quite interesting
11:41 < mnemoc> with t2 you can worry about the special details and differences of your distribution and not about the distro-wide genric tasks
11:42 < mnemoc> tdi: you could invite him to t2 :)
11:42 < tdi> mnemoc: he is a hard guy to cooperate
11:42 < tdi> http://home.gna.org/pingwinek/index.html
11:43 < mnemoc> you could invite him to test it, to controbute or not is a personal choice
11:46 < mnemoc> t2 is specially focused on people wanting to make their own distributable distributions
11:46 < mnemoc> so he fits quite well :)
11:47 < CIA-7> chris * r17265 /trunk/package/security/metasploit/ (. metasploit.conf metasploit.desc): * added metasploit (2.5) - A platform for developing and using exploit code.
12:16 < mnemoc> idealm: when will we have a flag at frapper at your place? :)
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15:09 < CIA-7> chris * r17266 /trunk/package/network/sancp/ (sancp.conf sancp.desc):
15:09 < CIA-7> * updated sancp (1.6.1 -> 1.6.1b)
15:09 < CIA-7> * added official sancp patches for fixing duplicate connection id at check_packet and for the seg-fault at decode (see also: http://sancp.sourceforge.net/patches.README)
15:09 < CIA-7> * polished sancp short and full description
15:09 < CIA-7> * changed Authors email address to a RFC 2822 conformable notation
15:09 < CIA-7> * updated T2 copyright note
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17:23 < CIA-7> rene * r17267 /trunk/package/base/setarch/setarch.desc: * updated setarch (1.9 -> 2.0)
17:24 < CIA-7> rene * r17269 /trunk/package/graphic/exact-image/exact-image.desc: * updated exact-image (0.0.7 -> 0.0.8)
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19:46 < morfoh> re hi :)
19:48 < tdi> rehied
19:48 < morfoh> thx tdi :)
19:50 < tdi> youre welcome
19:50 < tdi> damn i have no server
19:50 < tdi> spare i mean
19:52 < morfoh> tdi: how many servers do you have ? :)
19:52 < tdi> not much
19:52 < tdi> i one company i have 2
19:52 < tdi> i the second one 6
19:53 < tdi> i the third i work (but administrate) on about 18
19:53 < tdi> s/but/not/g
19:53 < morfoh> so you have "owned" a lot of servers :)
19:57 < tdi> nope i am not a hacker
19:57 < tdi> too lame for that
19:58 * morfoh was just joking
19:58 < tdi> i programm hosting engines there
20:01 < morfoh> ic :)
20:02 < tdi> wich are shitty
20:02 < morfoh> oh
20:42 < morfoh> finally the prelude patch for sancp is mature enough to be included in our package ... that's the way how sancp becomes a full featured sensor for Prelude-IDS :)
20:47 < tdi> cool
20:49 < morfoh> tdi: the update is commited yet but it seems that CIA-7 is sleeping ;)
20:51 < tdi> it is night
20:51 < tdi> so it is natural
20:52 * morfoh kicks CIA-7 ... hey wake up *beep*hole :p
20:54 < sepp> isnt wipe useless on modern filesystems?
20:57 < morfoh> sepp: I guess yes if you're using an encrypted filesystem ... but neverthenless I wanted to package it ;)
20:58 * morfoh is greeting "nudossi" sepp :)
20:59 < sepp> i do not mean encrypted fs - there every old data is just noise - i mean reiser/xfs/jfs ...
21:01 < sepp> greeting back :)
21:06 < morfoh> sepp: let's see ... I want to test some forensic toolkits in the next weeks
21:11 < sepp> ;)
21:12 < sepp> try to recover the meta data wipe left on the disk
21:14 < morfoh> sepp: if you want you can provide a test scenario :)
21:15 < sepp> well, i am way too lazy but i am pretty use that wipe is a bad idea unless you use ext2
21:16 < sepp> s/use/sure/
21:19 < sepp> but i do not care - i was just wondering to see wipe on svn up
21:21 < morfoh> sepp: any other things to wonder ? :)
21:21 < sepp> hehehe - no
21:25 < morfoh> sepp: good :)
21:27 < morfoh> sepp: I just wanted to wipe out some nice "toys" I had on my local working copy and I guess it's not that bad to add some nice network related packages ;)
21:31 < sepp> sure - but wipe is borked and it promises things that are not true
21:33 < sepp> for end users that might not be a good idea
21:52 < sepp> world is fucked up and if you would read a story about someone in china who trusted a borked encrypted fs or a bad wipe command i am sure you would not wonder
22:38 < sepp> good night * ;)
23:49 < morfoh> sepp: gn8 sepp :)
23:50 < morfoh> sleep well ... and please don't dream about some encrypted discs in china ;)
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00:00 < morfoh> hi keinek ... unfortunately you're a bit too late. you missed an interesting conversation :)
00:01 < keinek> hi
00:01 < keinek> hi morfoh
00:01 < keinek> hahaha ok thank morfoh :P
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00:42 < CIA-7> chris * r17254 /trunk/package/network/tcpflow/ (. tcpflow.cache tcpflow.desc): * added tcpflow (0.21) - A TCP flow recorder.
00:55 < CIA-7> chris * r17255 /trunk/package/network/tcptraceroute/ (. tcptraceroute.cache tcptraceroute.desc): * added tcptraceroute (1.5beta7) - A traceroute implementation using TCP packets.
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01:07 < CIA-7> chris * r17256 /trunk/package/security/yersinia/ (. yersinia.cache yersinia.desc): * added yersinia (0.5.6) - A framework for layer 2 attacks.
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01:21 < CIA-7> chris * r17257 /trunk/package/security/p0f/ (. p0f.cache p0f.desc): * added p0f (2.0.6) - A passive OS fingerprinting tool.
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02:59 < CIA-7> chris * r17258 /trunk/package/network/macchanger/ (. macchanger.desc): * added macchanger (1.5.0) - A utility for manipulating MAC addresses of network interfaces.
03:07 < CIA-7> chris * r17259 /trunk/package/network/macchanger/macchanger.cache: * added forgotten cache file to macchanger package
03:22 < CIA-7> chris * r17260 /trunk/package/security/wipe/ (. wipe.cache wipe.desc): * added wipe (2.2.0) - A tool that offers secure deletion of files from magnetic media.
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06:20 < CIA-7> susan * r17261 /trunk/package/gnome2/rhythmbox/rhythmbox.desc: * updated rhythmbox (0.9.4 -> 0.9.4.1)
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09:07 < morfoh> hi
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09:38 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
09:38 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Mar 11 22:55:45 2006]
09:38 [Users #t2]
09:38 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
09:38 [ Baldzius] [ keinek] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
09:38 [ CIA-7 ] [ laj ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ _Ragnar_]
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09:38 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004
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10:32 < Baldzius> hi morfoh
10:34 < morfoh> moin Baldzius ol'farmer :)
10:34 < Baldzius> :)
10:34 < morfoh> how are you and your animals today ? :)
10:34 < Baldzius> don't know , just got up :)
10:34 < morfoh> oh! :)
10:34 < Baldzius> oh and me ok :)
10:35 < morfoh> :)
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10:45 < CIA-7> chris * r17262 /trunk/package/network/tcptrace/ (. tcptrace.cache tcptrace.conf tcptrace.desc): * added tcptrace (6.6.7) - A TCP connection analysis tool.
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11:15 < tdi> re
11:16 < mnemoc> wb tdi
11:17 < tdi> t2 is ineteresting, ever thinking of writing some stuff to translate gentoo ebuilds to you system package description ?
11:17 < morfoh> hi tdi
11:17 < tdi> it would be nice thing for porting more packages
11:18 < morfoh> tdi: yes
11:18 < morfoh> :)
11:18 < tdi> ohh so it has been done?
11:18 < mnemoc> tdi: most code on ebuilds is useless, what can be nice is to take the patches and the package lists :)
11:18 < tdi> i find use flags the most usable thing in gentoo
11:19 < morfoh> tdi: but packaging in T2 is easy anyway :)
11:19 < tdi> this gives real power
11:19 < morfoh> tdi: I don't think so
11:19 < tdi> why
11:19 < morfoh> why do you want to use hardcoded useflags ?
11:19 < morfoh> T2 is much smarter
11:20 < tdi> so i manualy set --enable=blablas?
11:20 < morfoh> if a package can be extended by another it can be detected automatically
11:22 < morfoh> so if you define a system which should include LDAP support you can assume that you would like to have LDAP support in other packages too ... but neverthenless you can tweak all the things on several layers
11:22 < morfoh> tdi: and don't forget ! T2 is a build kit ... not a distro
11:23 < tdi> yes hard to remember that
11:23 < morfoh> the targets you're defining is a distro !
11:23 < tdi> why i am interested in t2 is the fact i would like to build
11:23 < tdi> a distro for myself totally RSBACed
11:23 < mnemoc> it makes no sense to have to tell the tool to enable the support for some package if the package has been enabled. it's ismply dumb
11:24 < mnemoc> it only make sense to enable things like SSP or PIE
11:26 < CIA-7> chris * r17263 /trunk/package/network/hping/hping.desc:
11:26 < CIA-7> * updated hping copyright note and short description
11:26 < CIA-7> * took over maintainership of hping ;)
11:27 < tdi> i think i do not have a full idea of what t2 is ..:(
11:27 < mnemoc> :)
11:27 < tdi> so assuming sb wants to build a distro
11:27 < tdi> he takes t2 and makes it yes?
11:28 < morfoh> tdi: it is a tool for building custom distributions :)
11:28 < morfoh> tdi: yep
11:28 < tdi> but based on t2 packaging system ?
11:28 * mnemoc prefer the word 'tailored'
11:29 < mnemoc> tdi: if you don'T like to package pre-built packages using .tar.{bz2,gz,lzo} you could easily implement your favorite format
11:30 < tdi> i meant package menegemant
11:30 < tdi> management
11:30 < morfoh> tdi: yes ... that's what mnemoc said :)
11:30 < mnemoc> rsync + mine is a 'package management system'
11:31 < mnemoc> or wget, or curl, ...
11:31 < mnemoc> if you want to provide updates to the users of your rsbac-centred distribution, you should provide them of the pre-built packages
11:32 < mnemoc> so they fetch them and using bize, or mine, or even tar they drop them in their running system
11:33 < tdi> i do not want to have users:)
11:34 < tdi> lol
11:35 < mnemoc> so the only thing you need is a working copy of t2, a definition for your target, storage and build power :)
11:35 < tdi> i can tell you sth what may interest you all here
11:35 < tdi> ive got a guy on my university, who started his own distro some time go
11:36 < tdi> what is the point
11:36 < tdi> he makes it by his own
11:36 < mnemoc> tdi: mnemosyne target ( a modular and abstract target) includes RSBAC but it lacks of an initial set of rules
11:36 < tdi> and he developed a controversial framework of maintaining the distro
11:36 < mnemoc> .oO( sounds like pain )o
11:37 < tdi> with automated testing of packages, auto updates and so on
11:37 < CIA-7> chris * r17264 /trunk/package/security/dsniff/ (dsniff.conf dsniff.desc):
11:37 < CIA-7> * updated dsniff copyright note and short description
11:37 < CIA-7> * took over T2 maintainership of dsniff
11:37 < tdi> this system notifies him about the changes in packages (like additional support of something in lets say ssh)
11:38 < tdi> and notifies about errors in package building
11:39 < mnemoc> lot of work he did
11:40 < tdi> yes
11:40 < tdi> it is controversial but quite interesting
11:41 < mnemoc> with t2 you can worry about the special details and differences of your distribution and not about the distro-wide genric tasks
11:42 < mnemoc> tdi: you could invite him to t2 :)
11:42 < tdi> mnemoc: he is a hard guy to cooperate
11:42 < tdi> http://home.gna.org/pingwinek/index.html
11:43 < mnemoc> you could invite him to test it, to controbute or not is a personal choice
11:46 < mnemoc> t2 is specially focused on people wanting to make their own distributable distributions
11:46 < mnemoc> so he fits quite well :)
11:47 < CIA-7> chris * r17265 /trunk/package/security/metasploit/ (. metasploit.conf metasploit.desc): * added metasploit (2.5) - A platform for developing and using exploit code.
12:16 < mnemoc> idealm: when will we have a flag at frapper at your place? :)
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15:09 < CIA-7> chris * r17266 /trunk/package/network/sancp/ (sancp.conf sancp.desc):
15:09 < CIA-7> * updated sancp (1.6.1 -> 1.6.1b)
15:09 < CIA-7> * added official sancp patches for fixing duplicate connection id at check_packet and for the seg-fault at decode (see also: http://sancp.sourceforge.net/patches.README)
15:09 < CIA-7> * polished sancp short and full description
15:09 < CIA-7> * changed Authors email address to a RFC 2822 conformable notation
15:09 < CIA-7> * updated T2 copyright note
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17:23 < CIA-7> rene * r17267 /trunk/package/base/setarch/setarch.desc: * updated setarch (1.9 -> 2.0)
17:24 < CIA-7> rene * r17269 /trunk/package/graphic/exact-image/exact-image.desc: * updated exact-image (0.0.7 -> 0.0.8)
17:32 < CIA-7> rene * r17268 /trunk/package/base/sdparm/sdparm.desc: * updated sdparm (0.97 -> 0.98)
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19:46 < morfoh> re hi :)
19:48 < tdi> rehied
19:48 < morfoh> thx tdi :)
19:50 < tdi> youre welcome
19:50 < tdi> damn i have no server
19:50 < tdi> spare i mean
19:52 < morfoh> tdi: how many servers do you have ? :)
19:52 < tdi> not much
19:52 < tdi> i one company i have 2
19:52 < tdi> i the second one 6
19:53 < tdi> i the third i work (but administrate) on about 18
19:53 < tdi> s/but/not/g
19:53 < morfoh> so you have "owned" a lot of servers :)
19:57 < tdi> nope i am not a hacker
19:57 < tdi> too lame for that
19:58 * morfoh was just joking
19:58 < tdi> i programm hosting engines there
20:01 < morfoh> ic :)
20:02 < tdi> wich are shitty
20:02 < morfoh> oh
20:42 < morfoh> finally the prelude patch for sancp is mature enough to be included in our package ... that's the way how sancp becomes a full featured sensor for Prelude-IDS :)
20:47 < tdi> cool
20:49 < morfoh> tdi: the update is commited yet but it seems that CIA-7 is sleeping ;)
20:51 < tdi> it is night
20:51 < tdi> so it is natural
20:52 * morfoh kicks CIA-7 ... hey wake up *beep*hole :p
20:54 < sepp> isnt wipe useless on modern filesystems?
20:57 < morfoh> sepp: I guess yes if you're using an encrypted filesystem ... but neverthenless I wanted to package it ;)
20:58 * morfoh is greeting "nudossi" sepp :)
20:59 < sepp> i do not mean encrypted fs - there every old data is just noise - i mean reiser/xfs/jfs ...
21:01 < sepp> greeting back :)
21:06 < morfoh> sepp: let's see ... I want to test some forensic toolkits in the next weeks
21:11 < sepp> ;)
21:12 < sepp> try to recover the meta data wipe left on the disk
21:14 < morfoh> sepp: if you want you can provide a test scenario :)
21:15 < sepp> well, i am way too lazy but i am pretty use that wipe is a bad idea unless you use ext2
21:16 < sepp> s/use/sure/
21:19 < sepp> but i do not care - i was just wondering to see wipe on svn up
21:21 < morfoh> sepp: any other things to wonder ? :)
21:21 < sepp> hehehe - no
21:25 < morfoh> sepp: good :)
21:27 < morfoh> sepp: I just wanted to wipe out some nice "toys" I had on my local working copy and I guess it's not that bad to add some nice network related packages ;)
21:31 < sepp> sure - but wipe is borked and it promises things that are not true
21:33 < sepp> for end users that might not be a good idea
21:52 < sepp> world is fucked up and if you would read a story about someone in china who trusted a borked encrypted fs or a bad wipe command i am sure you would not wonder
22:38 < sepp> good night * ;)
23:49 < morfoh> sepp: gn8 sepp :)
23:50 < morfoh> sleep well ... and please don't dream about some encrypted discs in china ;)
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