T2 IRC Log: 2006-04-09
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--- Log opened Sun Apr 09 00:00:59 2006
00:12 < keinek> morfoh, everything fine too
00:12 < keinek> :)
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01:01 < maro> how do t2 handle installed packages?
01:01 < maro> I've only read the quickstart
01:04 < morfoh> hi maro ... what do you mean with "handle installed files" ?
01:06 < maro> sorry, forgot to say hi :)
01:06 < maro> I mean, how do you upgrade stuff after you've built the cd's?
01:06 < maro> (and installed them of course)
01:06 < morfoh> maro: :)
01:06 < maro> doesn't it use a package manager or something?
01:07 < morfoh> maro: yes we have a package manager called "mine"
01:07 < morfoh> on t2 2.1 we're using an own format called ".gem"
01:07 < morfoh> on 2.2 we#re using .tbz2
01:07 < morfoh> simple ;)
01:07 < maro> :)
01:08 < maro> is it documented somewhere?
01:08 < morfoh> maro: that is our weak point :(
01:08 < morfoh> maro: but you can check the handbook
01:08 < morfoh> but it's not that up to date
01:08 < morfoh> but we're working on it
01:09 < maro> fair enough :)
01:09 < maro> is it in the t2 trunk?
01:09 < morfoh> maro: but you're allways heartly invited to ask here :)
01:09 < maro> (the source)
01:09 < morfoh> of the handbook ?
01:09 < maro> never mind, package/archiver/mine :)
01:09 < morfoh> ack ;)
01:10 < morfoh> maro: and of course it's within the source :)
01:10 < morfoh> maro: what kind of distro are you using right now ?
01:11 < maro> morfoh: crux
01:11 < maro> (.nu)
01:12 < morfoh> I don't know crux not personally but as I read their start page t2 could be sth. for you
01:12 < maro> heh, it uses libtar too :)
01:12 < morfoh> maro: but I guess t2 is a bit more powerful
01:12 < maro> (I've been working on a package manager myself)
01:12 < morfoh> :)
01:13 < maro> I don't know... I really like crux, my problem is that it doesn't scale very well
01:13 < maro> there's no dependency handling etc.
01:13 < maro> (imagine installing gnome with that - from source)
01:14 < morfoh> maro: the first is to consider that t2 is now distro ... it's a build kit for distros called "targets"
01:14 < morfoh> maro: t2 tries to take care about the dependencies during build time
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01:14 < maro> how does that work btw?
01:15 < morfoh> checking the accessed files during the afaik ...
01:15 < morfoh> during the build of course
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01:16 < morfoh> it generates a .cache file with the dependencies
01:17 < maro> ok :)
01:17 < maro> what about files that aren't available?
01:17 < maro> say, if the package can provide extra functionality when libfoo is available, but libfoo isn't installed when the cache is generated
01:18 < morfoh> maro: that's a problem atm.
01:18 < morfoh> maro: we're doing full reference builds for generating the cache files
01:19 < morfoh> maro: but I think there will be a soon a solution for that
01:19 < morfoh> maro: anyhow ... if you're are building your own ditribution (target) you'll generate your own cache files
01:21 < morfoh> and t2 is quite powerfull for designing well defined systems
01:21 < morfoh> reproducable
01:22 < maro> :)
01:25 < morfoh> maro: what you'd like to do with t2 ?
01:26 < maro> I'm just researching the market :)
01:26 < morfoh> and how you found T2 ?
01:26 < morfoh> ;)
01:26 < maro> the CRUX maintainer stepped back some months ago
01:26 < maro> I've seen the name a couple of places :)
01:27 < maro> hotplug++ and also patches to xorg
01:28 < morfoh> btw, you should join this channel not on "CEST sleep time" if you expect lot more detailed answers ;)
01:28 < maro> I'm in CEST myself, but it's weekend and I'm a geek ;)
01:28 * morfoh also living in CEST
01:29 < maro> where?
01:29 < morfoh> Berlin
01:29 < maro> I'm in Copenhagen
01:29 < morfoh> maro: yeah ... my flat mate is from copenhagen too
01:30 < maro> :)
01:33 < keinek> hey guy, t2 have any anti-virus ??
01:33 < keinek> some package for checking virus?
01:37 < morfoh> keinek: clamav
01:38 < keinek> thanks morfoh
01:38 < keinek> :)
01:38 < keinek> i know that have one.
01:38 < keinek> but i cant remember the name.
01:39 < keinek> :)=
01:39 < keinek> emerge ...
01:40 < morfoh> keinek: ./scripts/Emerge -deps=none clamav <-- try this
01:40 < morfoh> Emerge-Pkg
01:40 < morfoh> we're not on gentoo :p
01:40 * morfoh hides
01:42 < keinek> :P
01:42 < keinek> yes i know ;)
01:42 < morfoh> good :)
01:45 < keinek> can update this anti-virus?
01:48 < morfoh> keinek: what do you want to do ?
01:48 < keinek> update the definition of virus
01:48 < keinek> for the last viruses
01:49 < keinek> i know in linux does not virus.
01:49 < morfoh> keinek: yeah ... and what's the problem ?
01:49 < keinek> but i use this for scan computers with windows.
01:49 < morfoh> update the f* package :p
01:50 < keinek> is the only way?
01:50 < keinek> i like clamav
01:50 < keinek> :)
01:50 < morfoh> keinek: good ... :)
01:51 < morfoh> keinek: didin't you wanted to run Emerge-Pkg ?
01:51 < morfoh> or do you want to update the signatures only ?
02:07 < keinek> morfoh, only the signatures for new viruses
02:07 < keinek> :P
02:07 < morfoh> keinek: check the clamav manual and webpage
02:07 < morfoh> :)
02:07 < keinek> ok
02:07 < keinek> :P
02:07 < morfoh> good boy :)
02:08 < morfoh> :p
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02:55 < morfoh> re hi :)
02:55 < morfoh> system from scratch reinstalled :)
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03:11 < morfoh> wb jgs__ :)
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03:11 < morfoh> wb CIA-9 :p
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06:53 < misl> morning folks
06:59 < rxr> moin misl
07:05 < misl> hi rxr
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07:20 < rxr> welcome maro
07:26 < rxr> breakfast
07:26 < rxr> cu
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10:15 < CIA-9> sebastian * r16829 /trunk/package/graphic/xchm/xchm.desc: * updated xchm (1.4 -> 1.7.1)
10:21 < rxr> re
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11:02 < morfoh> moin
11:36 < Baldzius> hi morfoh :)
11:37 < morfoh> hi Baldzius :)
11:40 < Baldzius> morfoh: can you come to conclusion with mnemoc -> lighttpd should be built after lua or before php? :)
11:40 < Baldzius> as now it fails :)
11:40 < LMJ> moin moin
11:40 < Baldzius> hi LMJ
11:40 < morfoh> hi LMJ
11:40 < LMJ> how are you Baldzius today
11:40 < LMJ> hello morfoh ;)
11:41 < Baldzius> LMJ: can't say just got out of bed :)
11:41 < morfoh> Baldzius: lighty has to be build before lua but after PHP ... didn't know what damn mnemoc has done ... he is even hiding. but I'll kick him physically :)
11:43 < Baldzius> moforh: no need for violence :)
11:46 < morfoh> Baldzius: uhm ... that's the correct order: lua -> lighty -> php
11:46 < Baldzius> or maybe lua -> php -> light ?
11:47 < morfoh> no ... :)
11:47 < morfoh> Baldzius: what is the problem in detail ? :)
11:48 < Baldzius> now it can't find lua
11:48 < Baldzius> last commit was by mnemoc
11:48 < Baldzius> he changed order
11:48 < morfoh> damn mnemoc :/
11:48 < morfoh> I have to beat him agian
11:48 < Baldzius> no he isn't :)
11:49 < morfoh> and again ... ahaha :)
11:49 < Baldzius> :)
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13:10 < misl> hi folks
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13:16 < LMJ> hy misl
13:17 < misl> hi LMJ :)
13:17 < misl> Anyone a clue why Xen 3.0 is not yet part of T2 :)
13:18 < rxr> misl: nope
13:18 < rxr> but I'm on xen these days ...
13:18 < rxr> misl: what do you wanna do with xen? start using it ß
13:19 < misl> Xen looks cool to be used on noisy, so t2 build can be independantly tried :)
13:19 < rxr> btw. I tinker with exactcode.de Apache, SVN might be up and down every know and then until I finished trial'n error in the config ...
13:20 < misl> ack
13:20 < rxr> misl: indeed, and 24h power would be the next boost ,-)
13:20 < misl> I will start adding mercurial first
13:20 < rxr> I did
13:20 < rxr> yesterday
13:21 < misl> :D great
13:21 < misl> Ahh, yes now I see it
13:21 < LMJ> btw rxr
13:21 < LMJ> The country's largest and most luxurious brothel opened a few months ago in Berlin. Its facilities occupy 400 square metres and its 70 rooms can cater to some 600 clients a day.
13:22 < LMJ> http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=31663
13:22 < LMJ> LOL
13:22 < LMJ> I have to visit Berlin
13:22 < misl> LMJ seems like you follow the wrong kind of news:D
13:22 < misl> :D
13:22 < LMJ> oups
13:23 < rxr> ?
13:24 * LMJ things rxr make the innoncent ;)
13:25 < rxr> no, I wonder what news you read ,-)
13:25 < LMJ> I heard that from a national radio today
13:27 < rxr> hm
13:27 < rxr> I hate apache
13:27 < CIA-9> rene * r16830 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * changed trunk version to include -trunk
13:27 < rxr> because this test commit should not have come thru :-(
13:28 < keinek> good morning
13:28 < keinek> :P
13:37 < misl> hi Keinek
13:47 < CIA-9> rene * r16831 /trunk/target/desktop/kernel.conf: * added HOTPLUG_CPU to the desktop target, so that suspend works again
13:47 < rxr> so, commit is now only possible via https:// as announced long time ago ... ,-))
14:12 < rxr> misl: I update xen right now
14:12 < misl> rxr: :)
14:13 < misl> rxr: How do you download xen sources?
14:14 < rxr> the kernel patch or utilities ?
14:14 < rxr> -[D] 4215711515 xen-2.0.6-src.tgz http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/downloads/
14:14 < rxr> +[D] 0 xen-3.0.1-src.tgz http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/downloads/
14:15 < misl> Ahh, you found packaged sources.
14:16 < rxr> 3.0.2 even
14:16 < misl> I wondered if you included mercurial support in ./script/Download
14:16 < rxr> nope
14:17 < morfoh> hi misl, rxr
14:18 < morfoh> misl: I guess vserver is less "expensive" than xen if you're looking for a way for virtualizing linux systems
14:19 < morfoh> i.e. for having a dedicated build server
14:23 < rxr> of course all depends what one wants todo and xen has a lot features and possibilities classic vserver are missing
14:41 < CIA-9> rene * r16832 /trunk/package/base/xen-tools/ (compile.patch no-init.patch xen-tools.desc): * updated xen-tools (2.0.6 -> 3.0.2)
14:47 < misl> hi morfoh
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14:56 < sepp> hi :)
14:57 < rxr> hi wepp
14:58 < rxr> sepp ,-)
14:58 < sepp> hehe, hi rxr
15:30 < CIA-9> aldas * r16833 /trunk/package/x11/nvidia/ (7 files):
15:30 < CIA-9> * updated nvidia (1.0-8178 -> 1.0-8756)
15:30 < CIA-9> * copyright update
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15:49 < nzg> moin
15:49 < misl> hi nzg
15:55 < rxr> moin nzg
15:55 < nzg> moin misl, rxr
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16:49 < rxr> re
16:59 < valentin> re
17:00 < valentin> rxr: after manualy recreating initrd's allmost all stuff works fine
17:02 < CIA-9> rene * r16834 /trunk/package/powerpc/yaboot/stone_mod_yaboot.sh: * added initrd to stone_mode_yaboot (and fixed a leading i slipped in in the last commit)
17:03 < rxr> valentin: interesting
17:03 < rxr> well I'll start final ppc builds monday and then I'll double test the result
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17:21 < valentin> cu and thx a lot rxr
17:23 < rxr> cu valentin
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17:47 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, two little things, if you change the version at least you could inform the rest of the project so we don't waste time rebuilding everything. and second, if you will use -trunk i think you should use 2.2-trunk to not need to change it again and again after every release
17:47 < misl> ping morfoh
17:47 < morfoh> pong misl
17:47 < misl> morfoh: Why do you consider Xen expensive?
17:48 < mnemoc> rxr: you did the same a couple of days ago when you changed the order of the elements of the id. this is not a one-person projects if you forgot it
17:49 < morfoh> for example because all VM's need to run their own kernel ... but as rxr stated. Choosing the right VM depends on what you want to do with it
17:49 < misl> Ack, I want the option of being able to run different kernel
17:50 < misl> psst, .... and maybe even Windows
17:50 < morfoh> misl: then you should use xen ... yes
17:51 < misl> I wonder if Xen can be used on a laptop
17:51 < misl> And be able to suspend the guest OS to disk on shutdown.
17:52 < morfoh> misl: try it :)
17:52 < misl> I need a new laptop first
17:52 < misl> :(
17:55 * morfoh is going to cook sth. ... bbl :)
17:55 < misl> cu morfoh
17:56 < rxr> mnemoc: the order of the id was a side effect of fixing target's possibility to enforce the CPU and optimization
17:58 < rxr> misl: you can only run windows in xen when you have a modern cpu with VT or Parcifica
17:58 < rxr> your opterion will not be able to run windows in xen :-(
17:58 < misl> rxr: I know, but I might consider modern dual core opterons in the future :)
17:59 < rxr> yep
18:00 < misl> rxr: I also consider getting me a new laptop. On whigh I want both windows and linux at the same time. I wonder how Xen handles two GUI's
18:00 < misl> that is actually more than 1 :)
18:01 < misl> I also wonder if it will be possible when shutting down the Xen Host OS to safe all Guest OS's to disk and automatically restart them when booting up.
18:02 < misl> I guess some script magic can do the trick :)
18:03 < mnemoc> rxr: a change that placed the architecture between target/config.in and target/pkgsel.in breaking the target inherence feature
18:26 < misl> hmm, Xen on laptop is possible :)
18:26 < misl> http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenDemoLaptop
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18:36 < CIA-9> rene * r16835 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * removed .0 so the trunk version is 2.2-trunk
18:39 < rxr> mnemoc: when you could elaborate what it breaks I could fix
18:39 < rxr> mnemoc: or you propose a patch
18:43 < mnemoc> rxr: the menu of the architectures gets inside the target specific menu, but when i have extra time i'll fix it
18:44 < mnemoc> rxr: but currelty i have no solution in mind
18:45 < rxr> :q!
18:49 < mnemoc> .oO
18:51 < rxr> wrong focus...
18:53 < mnemoc> ok
18:56 < LMJ> hello mnemoc and vi-rxr
19:04 < mnemoc> wb LMJ
19:05 < morfoh> wb LMJ
19:05 < LMJ> thanks
19:05 < LMJ> fighting with PHP crap
19:06 * morfoh is going offline to install his brand new desktop :)
19:06 < morfoh> bbl
19:06 < LMJ> morfoh : T2 2.2 32Bits ?
19:06 < LMJ> x86
19:10 < mnemoc> (morfoh) LMJ 2.2 Pentium2
19:11 < LMJ> .oO0o.
19:11 < LMJ> thanks
19:11 < mnemoc> (morfoh) but just for testing
19:12 < LMJ> ok (morfoh)
19:12 < mnemoc> (morfoh) LMJ I guess you are interested in a 64bit version
19:12 < LMJ> (morfoh) no, not yet
19:12 < LMJ> just 2.2 ;)
19:14 < mnemoc> (morfoh) LMJ I guess I can release an ISO of it tomorrow
19:15 < LMJ> how 2.2 is going ?
19:18 < mnemoc> it'S quite usable
19:27 < mnemoc> but wont get ooo, qemu or gimp
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19:43 < rxr> what is up with gimp ?
19:44 < rxr> also ooo built the last time I build it what is up with that?
19:45 * LMJ still wonder what are the zillion of dependances to compile ooo
19:47 < LMJ> cies*
20:13 < CIA-9> rene * r16836 /trunk/package/archiver/zlib/zlib.conf:
20:13 < CIA-9> * removed commented assembly injection from zlib lingering for years,
20:13 < CIA-9> benchmarking did not reveal a performance increase
20:16 < mnemoc> rxr: gcc problems at least here
20:22 < mnemoc> LMJ: read the .cache file ,-)
20:29 * misl off to bed, sleep well all
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20:46 < morfoh> re hi :)
20:46 < morfoh> .oO( it's nice to have a ready to run desktop after coming back from cooking )o :)
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21:57 < CIA-9> amery * r16837 /trunk/package/emulators/gngeo/gngeo.desc:
21:57 < CIA-9> Leonel Iv?\195?\161n Saafigueroa:
21:57 < CIA-9> * updated gngeo (0.6.10 -> 0.6.11)
22:03 < CIA-9> sebastian * r16838 /trunk/package/graphic/pixie/ (pixie.conf pixie.desc):
22:03 < CIA-9> * updated pixie (1.4.7 -> 1.6.1)
22:03 < CIA-9> * build it with -O0
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22:35 < CIA-9> sebastian * r16840 /trunk/package/network/rtorrent/rtorrent.desc: * updated rtorrent (0.4.5 -> 0.5.0)
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00:12 < keinek> morfoh, everything fine too
00:12 < keinek> :)
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01:01 < maro> how do t2 handle installed packages?
01:01 < maro> I've only read the quickstart
01:04 < morfoh> hi maro ... what do you mean with "handle installed files" ?
01:06 < maro> sorry, forgot to say hi :)
01:06 < maro> I mean, how do you upgrade stuff after you've built the cd's?
01:06 < maro> (and installed them of course)
01:06 < morfoh> maro: :)
01:06 < maro> doesn't it use a package manager or something?
01:07 < morfoh> maro: yes we have a package manager called "mine"
01:07 < morfoh> on t2 2.1 we're using an own format called ".gem"
01:07 < morfoh> on 2.2 we#re using .tbz2
01:07 < morfoh> simple ;)
01:07 < maro> :)
01:08 < maro> is it documented somewhere?
01:08 < morfoh> maro: that is our weak point :(
01:08 < morfoh> maro: but you can check the handbook
01:08 < morfoh> but it's not that up to date
01:08 < morfoh> but we're working on it
01:09 < maro> fair enough :)
01:09 < maro> is it in the t2 trunk?
01:09 < morfoh> maro: but you're allways heartly invited to ask here :)
01:09 < maro> (the source)
01:09 < morfoh> of the handbook ?
01:09 < maro> never mind, package/archiver/mine :)
01:09 < morfoh> ack ;)
01:10 < morfoh> maro: and of course it's within the source :)
01:10 < morfoh> maro: what kind of distro are you using right now ?
01:11 < maro> morfoh: crux
01:11 < maro> (.nu)
01:12 < morfoh> I don't know crux not personally but as I read their start page t2 could be sth. for you
01:12 < maro> heh, it uses libtar too :)
01:12 < morfoh> maro: but I guess t2 is a bit more powerful
01:12 < maro> (I've been working on a package manager myself)
01:12 < morfoh> :)
01:13 < maro> I don't know... I really like crux, my problem is that it doesn't scale very well
01:13 < maro> there's no dependency handling etc.
01:13 < maro> (imagine installing gnome with that - from source)
01:14 < morfoh> maro: the first is to consider that t2 is now distro ... it's a build kit for distros called "targets"
01:14 < morfoh> maro: t2 tries to take care about the dependencies during build time
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01:14 < maro> how does that work btw?
01:15 < morfoh> checking the accessed files during the afaik ...
01:15 < morfoh> during the build of course
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01:16 < morfoh> it generates a .cache file with the dependencies
01:17 < maro> ok :)
01:17 < maro> what about files that aren't available?
01:17 < maro> say, if the package can provide extra functionality when libfoo is available, but libfoo isn't installed when the cache is generated
01:18 < morfoh> maro: that's a problem atm.
01:18 < morfoh> maro: we're doing full reference builds for generating the cache files
01:19 < morfoh> maro: but I think there will be a soon a solution for that
01:19 < morfoh> maro: anyhow ... if you're are building your own ditribution (target) you'll generate your own cache files
01:21 < morfoh> and t2 is quite powerfull for designing well defined systems
01:21 < morfoh> reproducable
01:22 < maro> :)
01:25 < morfoh> maro: what you'd like to do with t2 ?
01:26 < maro> I'm just researching the market :)
01:26 < morfoh> and how you found T2 ?
01:26 < morfoh> ;)
01:26 < maro> the CRUX maintainer stepped back some months ago
01:26 < maro> I've seen the name a couple of places :)
01:27 < maro> hotplug++ and also patches to xorg
01:28 < morfoh> btw, you should join this channel not on "CEST sleep time" if you expect lot more detailed answers ;)
01:28 < maro> I'm in CEST myself, but it's weekend and I'm a geek ;)
01:28 * morfoh also living in CEST
01:29 < maro> where?
01:29 < morfoh> Berlin
01:29 < maro> I'm in Copenhagen
01:29 < morfoh> maro: yeah ... my flat mate is from copenhagen too
01:30 < maro> :)
01:33 < keinek> hey guy, t2 have any anti-virus ??
01:33 < keinek> some package for checking virus?
01:37 < morfoh> keinek: clamav
01:38 < keinek> thanks morfoh
01:38 < keinek> :)
01:38 < keinek> i know that have one.
01:38 < keinek> but i cant remember the name.
01:39 < keinek> :)=
01:39 < keinek> emerge ...
01:40 < morfoh> keinek: ./scripts/Emerge -deps=none clamav <-- try this
01:40 < morfoh> Emerge-Pkg
01:40 < morfoh> we're not on gentoo :p
01:40 * morfoh hides
01:42 < keinek> :P
01:42 < keinek> yes i know ;)
01:42 < morfoh> good :)
01:45 < keinek> can update this anti-virus?
01:48 < morfoh> keinek: what do you want to do ?
01:48 < keinek> update the definition of virus
01:48 < keinek> for the last viruses
01:49 < keinek> i know in linux does not virus.
01:49 < morfoh> keinek: yeah ... and what's the problem ?
01:49 < keinek> but i use this for scan computers with windows.
01:49 < morfoh> update the f* package :p
01:50 < keinek> is the only way?
01:50 < keinek> i like clamav
01:50 < keinek> :)
01:50 < morfoh> keinek: good ... :)
01:51 < morfoh> keinek: didin't you wanted to run Emerge-Pkg ?
01:51 < morfoh> or do you want to update the signatures only ?
02:07 < keinek> morfoh, only the signatures for new viruses
02:07 < keinek> :P
02:07 < morfoh> keinek: check the clamav manual and webpage
02:07 < morfoh> :)
02:07 < keinek> ok
02:07 < keinek> :P
02:07 < morfoh> good boy :)
02:08 < morfoh> :p
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02:55 < morfoh> re hi :)
02:55 < morfoh> system from scratch reinstalled :)
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03:11 < morfoh> wb jgs__ :)
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06:53 < misl> morning folks
06:59 < rxr> moin misl
07:05 < misl> hi rxr
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07:20 < rxr> welcome maro
07:26 < rxr> breakfast
07:26 < rxr> cu
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10:15 < CIA-9> sebastian * r16829 /trunk/package/graphic/xchm/xchm.desc: * updated xchm (1.4 -> 1.7.1)
10:21 < rxr> re
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11:02 < morfoh> moin
11:36 < Baldzius> hi morfoh :)
11:37 < morfoh> hi Baldzius :)
11:40 < Baldzius> morfoh: can you come to conclusion with mnemoc -> lighttpd should be built after lua or before php? :)
11:40 < Baldzius> as now it fails :)
11:40 < LMJ> moin moin
11:40 < Baldzius> hi LMJ
11:40 < morfoh> hi LMJ
11:40 < LMJ> how are you Baldzius today
11:40 < LMJ> hello morfoh ;)
11:41 < Baldzius> LMJ: can't say just got out of bed :)
11:41 < morfoh> Baldzius: lighty has to be build before lua but after PHP ... didn't know what damn mnemoc has done ... he is even hiding. but I'll kick him physically :)
11:43 < Baldzius> moforh: no need for violence :)
11:46 < morfoh> Baldzius: uhm ... that's the correct order: lua -> lighty -> php
11:46 < Baldzius> or maybe lua -> php -> light ?
11:47 < morfoh> no ... :)
11:47 < morfoh> Baldzius: what is the problem in detail ? :)
11:48 < Baldzius> now it can't find lua
11:48 < Baldzius> last commit was by mnemoc
11:48 < Baldzius> he changed order
11:48 < morfoh> damn mnemoc :/
11:48 < morfoh> I have to beat him agian
11:48 < Baldzius> no he isn't :)
11:49 < morfoh> and again ... ahaha :)
11:49 < Baldzius> :)
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13:10 < misl> hi folks
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13:16 < LMJ> hy misl
13:17 < misl> hi LMJ :)
13:17 < misl> Anyone a clue why Xen 3.0 is not yet part of T2 :)
13:18 < rxr> misl: nope
13:18 < rxr> but I'm on xen these days ...
13:18 < rxr> misl: what do you wanna do with xen? start using it ß
13:19 < misl> Xen looks cool to be used on noisy, so t2 build can be independantly tried :)
13:19 < rxr> btw. I tinker with exactcode.de Apache, SVN might be up and down every know and then until I finished trial'n error in the config ...
13:20 < misl> ack
13:20 < rxr> misl: indeed, and 24h power would be the next boost ,-)
13:20 < misl> I will start adding mercurial first
13:20 < rxr> I did
13:20 < rxr> yesterday
13:21 < misl> :D great
13:21 < misl> Ahh, yes now I see it
13:21 < LMJ> btw rxr
13:21 < LMJ> The country's largest and most luxurious brothel opened a few months ago in Berlin. Its facilities occupy 400 square metres and its 70 rooms can cater to some 600 clients a day.
13:22 < LMJ> http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=31663
13:22 < LMJ> LOL
13:22 < LMJ> I have to visit Berlin
13:22 < misl> LMJ seems like you follow the wrong kind of news:D
13:22 < misl> :D
13:22 < LMJ> oups
13:23 < rxr> ?
13:24 * LMJ things rxr make the innoncent ;)
13:25 < rxr> no, I wonder what news you read ,-)
13:25 < LMJ> I heard that from a national radio today
13:27 < rxr> hm
13:27 < rxr> I hate apache
13:27 < CIA-9> rene * r16830 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * changed trunk version to include -trunk
13:27 < rxr> because this test commit should not have come thru :-(
13:28 < keinek> good morning
13:28 < keinek> :P
13:37 < misl> hi Keinek
13:47 < CIA-9> rene * r16831 /trunk/target/desktop/kernel.conf: * added HOTPLUG_CPU to the desktop target, so that suspend works again
13:47 < rxr> so, commit is now only possible via https:// as announced long time ago ... ,-))
14:12 < rxr> misl: I update xen right now
14:12 < misl> rxr: :)
14:13 < misl> rxr: How do you download xen sources?
14:14 < rxr> the kernel patch or utilities ?
14:14 < rxr> -[D] 4215711515 xen-2.0.6-src.tgz http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/downloads/
14:14 < rxr> +[D] 0 xen-3.0.1-src.tgz http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/downloads/
14:15 < misl> Ahh, you found packaged sources.
14:16 < rxr> 3.0.2 even
14:16 < misl> I wondered if you included mercurial support in ./script/Download
14:16 < rxr> nope
14:17 < morfoh> hi misl, rxr
14:18 < morfoh> misl: I guess vserver is less "expensive" than xen if you're looking for a way for virtualizing linux systems
14:19 < morfoh> i.e. for having a dedicated build server
14:23 < rxr> of course all depends what one wants todo and xen has a lot features and possibilities classic vserver are missing
14:41 < CIA-9> rene * r16832 /trunk/package/base/xen-tools/ (compile.patch no-init.patch xen-tools.desc): * updated xen-tools (2.0.6 -> 3.0.2)
14:47 < misl> hi morfoh
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14:56 < sepp> hi :)
14:57 < rxr> hi wepp
14:58 < rxr> sepp ,-)
14:58 < sepp> hehe, hi rxr
15:30 < CIA-9> aldas * r16833 /trunk/package/x11/nvidia/ (7 files):
15:30 < CIA-9> * updated nvidia (1.0-8178 -> 1.0-8756)
15:30 < CIA-9> * copyright update
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15:49 < nzg> moin
15:49 < misl> hi nzg
15:55 < rxr> moin nzg
15:55 < nzg> moin misl, rxr
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16:49 < rxr> re
16:59 < valentin> re
17:00 < valentin> rxr: after manualy recreating initrd's allmost all stuff works fine
17:02 < CIA-9> rene * r16834 /trunk/package/powerpc/yaboot/stone_mod_yaboot.sh: * added initrd to stone_mode_yaboot (and fixed a leading i slipped in in the last commit)
17:03 < rxr> valentin: interesting
17:03 < rxr> well I'll start final ppc builds monday and then I'll double test the result
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17:21 < valentin> cu and thx a lot rxr
17:23 < rxr> cu valentin
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17:47 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, two little things, if you change the version at least you could inform the rest of the project so we don't waste time rebuilding everything. and second, if you will use -trunk i think you should use 2.2-trunk to not need to change it again and again after every release
17:47 < misl> ping morfoh
17:47 < morfoh> pong misl
17:47 < misl> morfoh: Why do you consider Xen expensive?
17:48 < mnemoc> rxr: you did the same a couple of days ago when you changed the order of the elements of the id. this is not a one-person projects if you forgot it
17:49 < morfoh> for example because all VM's need to run their own kernel ... but as rxr stated. Choosing the right VM depends on what you want to do with it
17:49 < misl> Ack, I want the option of being able to run different kernel
17:50 < misl> psst, .... and maybe even Windows
17:50 < morfoh> misl: then you should use xen ... yes
17:51 < misl> I wonder if Xen can be used on a laptop
17:51 < misl> And be able to suspend the guest OS to disk on shutdown.
17:52 < morfoh> misl: try it :)
17:52 < misl> I need a new laptop first
17:52 < misl> :(
17:55 * morfoh is going to cook sth. ... bbl :)
17:55 < misl> cu morfoh
17:56 < rxr> mnemoc: the order of the id was a side effect of fixing target's possibility to enforce the CPU and optimization
17:58 < rxr> misl: you can only run windows in xen when you have a modern cpu with VT or Parcifica
17:58 < rxr> your opterion will not be able to run windows in xen :-(
17:58 < misl> rxr: I know, but I might consider modern dual core opterons in the future :)
17:59 < rxr> yep
18:00 < misl> rxr: I also consider getting me a new laptop. On whigh I want both windows and linux at the same time. I wonder how Xen handles two GUI's
18:00 < misl> that is actually more than 1 :)
18:01 < misl> I also wonder if it will be possible when shutting down the Xen Host OS to safe all Guest OS's to disk and automatically restart them when booting up.
18:02 < misl> I guess some script magic can do the trick :)
18:03 < mnemoc> rxr: a change that placed the architecture between target/config.in and target/pkgsel.in breaking the target inherence feature
18:26 < misl> hmm, Xen on laptop is possible :)
18:26 < misl> http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenDemoLaptop
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18:36 < CIA-9> rene * r16835 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * removed .0 so the trunk version is 2.2-trunk
18:39 < rxr> mnemoc: when you could elaborate what it breaks I could fix
18:39 < rxr> mnemoc: or you propose a patch
18:43 < mnemoc> rxr: the menu of the architectures gets inside the target specific menu, but when i have extra time i'll fix it
18:44 < mnemoc> rxr: but currelty i have no solution in mind
18:45 < rxr> :q!
18:49 < mnemoc> .oO
18:51 < rxr> wrong focus...
18:53 < mnemoc> ok
18:56 < LMJ> hello mnemoc and vi-rxr
19:04 < mnemoc> wb LMJ
19:05 < morfoh> wb LMJ
19:05 < LMJ> thanks
19:05 < LMJ> fighting with PHP crap
19:06 * morfoh is going offline to install his brand new desktop :)
19:06 < morfoh> bbl
19:06 < LMJ> morfoh : T2 2.2 32Bits ?
19:06 < LMJ> x86
19:10 < mnemoc> (morfoh) LMJ 2.2 Pentium2
19:11 < LMJ> .oO0o.
19:11 < LMJ> thanks
19:11 < mnemoc> (morfoh) but just for testing
19:12 < LMJ> ok (morfoh)
19:12 < mnemoc> (morfoh) LMJ I guess you are interested in a 64bit version
19:12 < LMJ> (morfoh) no, not yet
19:12 < LMJ> just 2.2 ;)
19:14 < mnemoc> (morfoh) LMJ I guess I can release an ISO of it tomorrow
19:15 < LMJ> how 2.2 is going ?
19:18 < mnemoc> it'S quite usable
19:27 < mnemoc> but wont get ooo, qemu or gimp
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19:43 < rxr> what is up with gimp ?
19:44 < rxr> also ooo built the last time I build it what is up with that?
19:45 * LMJ still wonder what are the zillion of dependances to compile ooo
19:47 < LMJ> cies*
20:13 < CIA-9> rene * r16836 /trunk/package/archiver/zlib/zlib.conf:
20:13 < CIA-9> * removed commented assembly injection from zlib lingering for years,
20:13 < CIA-9> benchmarking did not reveal a performance increase
20:16 < mnemoc> rxr: gcc problems at least here
20:22 < mnemoc> LMJ: read the .cache file ,-)
20:29 * misl off to bed, sleep well all
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20:46 < morfoh> re hi :)
20:46 < morfoh> .oO( it's nice to have a ready to run desktop after coming back from cooking )o :)
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21:57 < CIA-9> amery * r16837 /trunk/package/emulators/gngeo/gngeo.desc:
21:57 < CIA-9> Leonel Iv?\195?\161n Saafigueroa
21:57 < CIA-9> * updated gngeo (0.6.10 -> 0.6.11)
22:03 < CIA-9> sebastian * r16838 /trunk/package/graphic/pixie/ (pixie.conf pixie.desc):
22:03 < CIA-9> * updated pixie (1.4.7 -> 1.6.1)
22:03 < CIA-9> * build it with -O0
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22:35 < CIA-9> sebastian * r16839 /trunk/package/network/libtorrent/libtorrent.desc: * updated libtorrent (0.8.5 -> 0.9.0)
22:35 < CIA-9> sebastian * r16840 /trunk/package/network/rtorrent/rtorrent.desc: * updated rtorrent (0.4.5 -> 0.5.0)
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