T2 IRC Log: 2006-03-01
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--- Log opened Wed Mar 01 00:00:57 2006
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03:58 < morfoh> gn8 ... enough t2-handbook editing for today ... but it definitly becomes the bomb :)
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07:58 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
07:58 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006]
07:58 [Users #t2]
07:58 [@ChanServ] [ jsaw_ ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ _Ragnar_]
07:58 [ CIA-18 ] [ karasz] [ mtr ] [ rxr_ ]
07:58 [ idealm ] [ LMJ ] [ owl ] [ valentin]
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08:09 < rxr_> re
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08:24 < rxr_> == 09:20:53 =[5]=> Building multimedia/mplayer [1.0pre7try2 2.2.0-alpha].
08:24 < rxr_> == 03/01/06 09:23:58 =[5]=> Finished building package mplayer.
08:25 < CIA-18> rene * r15633 /trunk/package/emulators/gngeo/gngeo.desc:
08:25 < CIA-18> keinek:
08:25 < CIA-18> * updated gngeo (0.6.9 -> 0.6.10)
08:36 < CIA-18> rene * r15634 /trunk/package/base/most/ (. most.cache most.desc):
08:36 < CIA-18> karasz:
08:36 < CIA-18> * added most (4.9.5) - A most powerful paging program
08:37 < CIA-18> rene * r15635 /trunk/package/network/curl/curl.desc: * updated curl (7.15.1 -> 7.15.2)
08:38 < CIA-18> rene * r15636 /trunk/package/audio/speex/speex.desc: * updated speex (1.1.10 -> 1.1.12)
08:42 < CIA-18> rene * r15637 /trunk/package/x11/xdialog/xdialog.desc: * updated xdialog (2.1.1 -> 2.2.0)
08:45 < CIA-18> rene * r15638 /trunk/package/archiver/rzip/rzip.desc: * updated rzip (2.0 -> 2.1)
08:47 < CIA-18> rene * r15639 /trunk/package/x11/xosview/xosview.desc: * updated xosview (1.8.2 -> 1.8.3)
08:48 < CIA-18> rene * r15640 /trunk/package/x11/xterm/xterm.desc: * updated xterm (208 -> 209)
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10:49 < morfoh> hi
11:04 < rxr_> moin morfoh
11:08 < morfoh> moin rxr_
11:08 -!- You're now known as rxr
11:13 < CIA-18> rene * r15641 /trunk/package/graphic/sane-frontends/scan-button.patch:
11:13 < CIA-18> * patched sane-frontends to corretly reset the sensitifiy of the scan
11:13 < CIA-18> button in the error-path after sane_start, e.g. simpliy when out
11:13 < CIA-18> of documents (already commited to upstream CVS)
11:18 < morfoh> rxr: what do you think about generating selected content for the handbook from the t2 source tree to be more consistent and to distribute the "load" ? i.e. target descriptions
11:19 < rxr> morfoh: yes, also the -help screens should be generated
11:21 < morfoh> rxr: ack ... because this can be done easily ... I've tested that using asciidoc
11:22 < morfoh> rxr: one has to take care of course from a security point of view, but I think in a quite safe env. this should be no problem
11:25 < morfoh> rxr: can I commit the new stuff to some place in the svn repo while working on it ?
11:26 < valentin> moin
11:26 < morfoh> moin valentin :)
11:27 < valentin> rxr: what was the latest version - 1.6.6 ?
11:28 < valentin> seems so...
11:32 < valentin> rxr: i scanned around a bit with the binary version and got no error so far...
11:35 < karasz> moin all
11:36 < karasz> hello owl
11:36 < karasz> rxr nice line in most.desc ;)
11:37 < owl> moin
11:37 < owl> hi karasz
11:42 < karasz> bbl
11:51 < rxr> valentin: hm
11:51 < rxr> valentin: even multiple scans ?
11:51 < rxr> and multiple applications ?
11:52 < rxr> do you have M$ Word and/or Photoshop around ?
11:53 < valentin> i try acrobat
11:55 < rxr> .oO
11:55 < rxr> Acrobat did not work yet, no ?
11:56 < valentin> ?
11:56 < rxr> Acrobat Professional 7.0 or so
11:56 < rxr> AFAIK the app did strange things on the driver ...
11:56 < valentin> oh
11:58 < valentin> but i have not much other stuff to test
11:58 < rxr> it remained unfixed after I wasted some days on that fluff ...
11:58 < rxr> .oO
11:58 < rxr> what did you test, exact scan only ?
11:58 < valentin> rxr: you are right, somehow aa7 makes strange things
11:58 < valentin> rxr: yes
11:58 < valentin> i have a broken version of cardiris and an expired version of OOO testdrive
11:58 < rxr> valentin: do you have the time left to grab the M$ Office demo ?
11:58 < rxr> AFAIK the client said it happens in his database plugin _and_ M$ Word
11:59 < valentin> i can try - do you think i can install the demo twice ?
11:59 < rxr> nope
11:59 < rxr> did it expire ?
11:59 < valentin> or mom - wait
12:01 < rxr> it hides it's install timestamp somewhere deeply hidden
12:01 < rxr> however I did not try to locate it - but it was not a one look ...
12:01 < valentin> yes - same for acrobat - i remember diffing the whole filesystem before and after install some time ago
12:02 < valentin> rxr: of course the old M$ testdrive installer refuses to reinstall the packages :/
12:02 < rxr> ouhm
12:02 < rxr> you want to go AH now, right?
12:04 < valentin> well... i do not _need_ to go
12:04 < valentin> it is very late allready
12:04 < rxr> yeah then go
12:04 < valentin> and i booted into osten anyway
12:04 < rxr> take your iBook with your to grab some software here then
12:04 < valentin> so i can invest another 20 minutes to search for a bug
12:05 < rxr> we could test in the evening then as well if you have the time
12:06 < valentin> ok, bbl
12:07 < valentin> maybe you have some more software there
12:07 < rxr> yep
12:07 < rxr> cu then
12:47 < karasz> re
13:01 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15642 /trunk/package/base/hal/ (7 files):
13:01 < CIA-18> * updated hal (0.5.6 -> 0.5.7)
13:01 < CIA-18> * remove not-applying patches
13:01 < CIA-18> * fix init as --retain-priviledges no longer needed
13:01 < CIA-18> * copyright updates
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13:26 < rxr> re
13:26 < karasz> wb rxr
13:27 < rxr> jsaw_: are you sure about the priviledges ?
13:46 < jsaw_> rxr: the option does not exist anymore, and the ChangeLog says this
13:46 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
13:47 < rxr> jsaw: do you have not tested ?
13:47 < rxr> the former version also said it is not neded
13:47 < rxr> but it did not work for me due to premissions problems and those helper stuff was not able to access the devices then
13:48 < rxr> but well - we can wait and see if someone or I complain about a regression ,-)))
13:48 < jsaw> :)
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13:48 < sepp> hello
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13:55 < jadawin> good day everyone
13:56 < morfoh> hi sepperl ;)
13:56 < morfoh> hi karasz, jsaw, jadawin ;)
13:56 < sepp> hi morfoh jadawin :)
13:58 < rxr> hi jadawin
14:00 < jadawin> maybe some of you guys can provide me some help with a strange issue i'm having when building t2 trunk
14:01 < jadawin> i get a weird error when it starts building stage 2
14:01 < karasz> hello kommrad :)
14:02 < karasz> hi jadawin
14:02 < jadawin> hi karasz
14:02 < morfoh> karasz: moin tavarish :)
14:05 < rxr> jadawin: post details ,-)
14:05 < jadawin> i'm putting them on a webspace so everyone can see them without cluttering the # space
14:08 < jadawin> http://ponto-dot.com/t2/t2_2.2_log.txt
14:09 < jadawin> i know someone came by the # with a similar problem already some time ago since i found mention to it through google
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14:10 < morfoh> jadawin: do you run Build-Target as root ?
14:11 < jadawin> yes i am
14:12 < morfoh> hm ...
14:12 < jadawin> and my /dev/null permissions are set to rw-rw-rw root root
14:13 < jadawin> and so are the permissions on build/$cfgid/dev/null
14:15 < jadawin> so if anyone has any idea on why this is happenning i'm all hears :D
14:20 < morfoh> jadawin: I'm sorry ... I've never seen that kind of problem ... and unf. I have no time atm. for further investigations ...
14:21 < mnemoc> moin!
14:21 < jadawin> ok, no prob, just asking if someone had some sort of explanation ;)
14:21 < morfoh> moin mnemoc ;)
14:22 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
14:24 < rxr> moin mnemoc
14:24 < rxr> hm - profiling our Mac device driver reviels, it spends 30% of it's time in mach_kernel::ml_set_interrupts_enabled
14:24 < rxr> :-(((
14:25 < rxr> 29.1%29.1%mach_kernelml_set_interrupts_enabled
14:25 < rxr> and 21.9% in run_queue_remove ....
14:26 < rxr> heh - and it marks some system functions good candidates for inlinning ?
14:26 < rxr> this profiler and the associated OS sucks ...
14:27 < rxr> jadawin: what is your host OS building ?
14:30 < jadawin> i'm running T2 2.1
14:30 < jadawin> on a p4
14:30 < rxr> what? you get /dev/null issue on a installed T2 ? that is your kernel is build by T2 and nto e.g. Fedora Core or Debian ?
14:30 < mnemoc> oin rxr
14:30 < rxr> hi mnemoc
14:31 < jadawin> i'm building a T2 2.2 build on a T2 2.1 system
14:31 < rxr> ouh
14:31 < jadawin> weird i know
14:31 < jadawin> lol
14:32 < jadawin> on a T2 2.1-rc3 to be more precise
14:33 < rxr> ls -la /dev/null build/.../dev/null
14:34 < jadawin> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/null
14:34 < mnemoc> and the one at builddir?
14:34 < jadawin> just the same
14:35 < jadawin> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2006-03-01 13:26 build/jadawin-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium4-generic/dev/null
14:35 < jadawin> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/null
14:36 < mnemoc> nodev mount point?
14:37 < jadawin> sorry, i'm lost there, nodev?
14:39 < karasz> moin mnemoc
14:41 < mnemoc> jadawin: mount option
14:42 < mnemoc> jadawin: is it a remote partition?
14:43 < jadawin> no, it's a local partition
14:44 < rxr> jadawin: sorry - I have no idea - I never experienced this myself and would need to debug this a bit ;-((
14:44 < mnemoc> $ grep pendrive /proc/mounts
14:44 < mnemoc> /dev/discs/disc1/part1 /media/pendrive vfat rw,sync,nodiratime,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=1000,gid=100,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0
14:44 < mnemoc> ^--- nodev option there
14:44 < mnemoc> see if the partition where your builddir is has that option
14:46 < jadawin> ah ok, thanks, let me get that
14:46 < jadawin> /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/d2 reiserfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0
14:47 < jadawin> is that it?
14:47 < rxr> heh
14:47 < rxr> yeah
14:47 < rxr> how did the nodev slip in there ?
14:47 < jadawin> that's a nice question
14:48 < mnemoc> :)
14:48 < mnemoc> grep d2 /etc/fstab
14:49 < jadawin> /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/d2 reiserfs noauto,user,exec 0 0
14:49 < mnemoc> add 'dev'
14:50 < jadawin> to the fstab entry?
14:50 < mnemoc> question: how did you add that mount point?
14:50 < jadawin> simply created the dir and added the entry in fstab
14:51 < rxr> guess nodev is default for user
14:51 < mnemoc> ok, then simply add dev and suid options
14:51 < jadawin> ok, let me get that on
14:52 < jadawin> ok, done
14:53 < jadawin> hmmm, nice it is building correctly again
14:53 < mnemoc> :)
14:53 < jadawin> woohoo, great !! can someone just explain me what happened?
14:54 < rxr> with user nodev is the default - and nodev disallows the use of device nodes on the mounted volume for security reasons
14:54 < rxr> e.g. so users can not mount their usb stick with hda* writeable for their own favour ,-))
14:54 < mnemoc> :)
14:55 < jadawin> that sounds like a nice feature but it was really messing me here ;)
14:55 < rxr> it also never came to my mine the times this was mentioned here before
14:55 < jadawin> luckily to me it did now ehehe
14:55 * rxr never got the idea someone would build on a user-mounted filesystem ...
14:56 < rxr> yep - nice we have this case solved
14:56 < rxr> mnemoc: bw. reiser4 in production and heavy use on my hammer notebook
14:56 < rxr> yesteday or so I was shocked with kernel oops - but they did not have been due corruption - fsck.reiser4 found none - all file
14:56 < rxr> more due to bug in 16-rc*-mm* ...
14:57 < mnemoc> rxr: i wanted to add reiserfs4 patch on reiser4progs at 2.1...
14:57 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe just keep 2.1 in maintenance mode - 2.2 with all this is on it's way ,-))
14:58 < mnemoc> *g*
14:59 < jadawin> :D man you guys just made my day, thank you very much
15:01 < rxr> jadawin: thanks too ,-) have fun.
15:01 < jadawin> long live T2
15:01 < jadawin> lol
15:04 < mnemoc> :)
15:07 < morfoh> jadawin: :)
15:36 < rxr> woa - snowing like crazzy again ...
15:36 < rxr> this is a snowy winter this year
15:37 < rxr> seldom experienced that much snow so far
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15:46 < LMJ> lol jadawin here !
15:46 < LMJ> moin rxr, mnemoc, morfoh & co
15:46 < jadawin> hi LMJ
15:51 < LMJ> welcome to heaven ;)
15:52 < karasz> guys I wanna say goodbye for a while
15:52 < rxr> karasz: ouh - why that ?
15:52 < karasz> i guess this month i won't be in here...
15:53 < karasz> as i leave my office till March 23 at least
15:53 < rxr> off to clients traveling? or why do we have to miss you ?
15:53 < karasz> i am goin on a business travel to SE Asia
15:54 < karasz> Malay, Thay Cambodia and so on
15:54 < rxr> oh - nice, I suppose
15:54 < karasz> and i dunno how internet access will be there :)
15:56 < rxr> white asstonishing how much CPU is burned scanning virtual data from a file, without scanner i/o at all ...
15:56 < rxr> damn OS ...
15:56 < rxr> barely can be called OS at all ...
15:56 < rxr> karasz: well - have fun then - hope to see you back soon!
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15:57 < morfoh> karasz: have a nice trip :)
15:58 < mnemoc> karasz: selling your application?
15:58 < jadawin> ye karasz: have a good journey mate ;)
15:58 < morfoh> karasz: hope to see you back soon, tavarish ;)
16:01 < karasz> yeh, i hope that too
16:01 < karasz> mnemoc: yes.
16:02 < mnemoc> :)
16:02 < morfoh> karasz: good luck :)
16:03 < karasz> thx kommrad
16:03 < morfoh> karasz: yw ;)
16:04 < karasz> let's hope that spending month on writting an interchangeble interface for the app will pay off now :D
16:06 < karasz> so me off now and hopefully i will pop my head in here seldomly :D
16:06 < karasz> cu all and take good care
16:06 < karasz> bye
16:06 < rxr> take care in asia as well - cu then ,-))
16:08 < mnemoc> cu, and good luck karasz
16:09 < rxr> and don't get the bird flu ...
16:20 < morfoh> rxr: how high is the possibility for getting the bird flu, while concerning that about till today about 90 people world wide died due to the bird flu ?
16:20 < rxr> morfoh: I was joking ...
16:21 < morfoh> rxr: sorry :p
16:21 < jadawin> lol, if people who have it die then the probability is not very high i'd say
16:21 < morfoh> there are more people dieing due to hunger and war all the day
16:22 < morfoh> wtf is the bird flu ?
16:24 < morfoh> it's the ultimate license for "printing" money
16:31 < mnemoc> "Gutenprint was formerly called Gimp-Print."
16:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: "Gutenprint" ?
16:36 < mnemoc> " Gutenprint is the successor of Gimp-Print, it was renamed with the change from version 4.x to 5.x. All printers which worked with Gimp-Print before, work also (and hopefully better) with Gutenprint."
16:37 < mnemoc> now it's usable from cups
16:48 < valentin> rxr: i'm comming over now
16:49 < rxr> valentin: ok - cu
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17:12 < jadawin> ok, bbl ppl, gotta go out to the supermarket ;)
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19:29 < morfoh> re hi
19:39 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
19:39 < misl> hi folks :)
20:07 < rxr> re
20:07 < rxr> hey misl !
20:08 < misl> hi rxr
20:29 < rxr> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26522
20:29 < rxr> slowly but steadily I get an account in every bugzilla out there ...
20:29 < rxr> and since today I'm on the Apple usb mailing list ... :-(((
20:29 < rxr> misl: recently I even installed java on my dads PC for a net-DVD player software ...
20:29 < misl> :)
20:30 < misl> Java Rulez
20:30 < misl> just kiddin
20:30 < rxr> lol
20:30 < rxr> your new work is going well, too ?
20:30 < misl> rxr: Too well
20:30 < misl> I hardly have any time left
20:31 < misl> and next week they want me at the old project again too
20:31 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/70232
20:31 < misl> just for one day
20:32 < misl> Linux Rulez too :)
20:32 < rxr> ,-)
20:32 < rxr> definetly
21:01 < LMJ> gtg, see you later guys
21:05 * misl off too
21:06 < misl> cu all
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21:12 < valentin> re
21:12 * valentin on one of rxr's archivista boxes :)
21:13 < mnemoc> buy one?
21:14 < mnemoc> bought* :)
21:14 < valentin> nah... rxr gave me on of his geodes
21:14 < valentin> and it happens that there is still archivista on it :)
21:14 < valentin> hi mnemoc
21:15 * valentin needs more patch cables...
21:15 < owl> hi valentin , mnemoc
21:15 < valentin> hi owlie
21:15 < mnemoc> hi owlita :)
21:17 < owl> how are you guys? long time no see!
21:18 < valentin> just fine. much work, but mostly nice work. and a little girl that wakes me everyday between 0600 and 0700
21:18 < owl> huh? -v? :)
21:18 < valentin> hm, no alsa on this box
21:19 < valentin> owl: why 'huh?' ?
21:19 < owl> little girl? :)
21:19 < owl> did i miss someting?
21:19 < valentin> owl: obviously :)
21:19 < mnemoc> hanna (?)
21:19 < valentin> janna
21:20 < mnemoc> sorry :)
21:20 < valentin> owl: she is almost 8 month
21:21 < mnemoc> crashing (hit) everywhere?
21:21 < owl> O_O sorry, i am becoming old. maybe parts of my brain are not working anymore ;)
21:21 < valentin> hehe, owl seems to be shocked :)
21:21 < mnemoc> yeah
21:21 < valentin> maybe we never talked bout our children when owl was here
21:22 < mnemoc> probably
21:22 < valentin> anyone here knows fluxbox ? how do i de-iconify an iconified application ?
21:23 < valentin> ah - middle mouse button
21:23 * valentin wondering what ms-2-button-mouse users will do...
21:23 < mnemoc> emulated middle button
21:24 < valentin> hehe
21:24 < mnemoc> mine use emulated middle button until i move the wheel :(
21:26 < valentin> damn, i neither have any patch cable left to connect my notebook to the switch nor any power outlet for my wireless AP - how do i get my notebook online now ?
21:26 < valentin> ah - there is a patch cable in the U30
21:26 < mnemoc> poor u30 :(
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21:28 < valentin> and - stupid me - since my wireless AP is unplugged atm, i can use it's patch cable, too :)
21:28 < valentin> cu owl :)
21:28 < mnemoc> :)
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21:28 < valentin> wb owl
21:28 < mnemoc> welcome back owlinette!
21:28 < owl> re
21:29 < owl> thx ;)
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03:58 < morfoh> gn8 ... enough t2-handbook editing for today ... but it definitly becomes the bomb :)
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08:09 < rxr_> re
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08:24 < rxr_> == 09:20:53 =[5]=> Building multimedia/mplayer [1.0pre7try2 2.2.0-alpha].
08:24 < rxr_> == 03/01/06 09:23:58 =[5]=> Finished building package mplayer.
08:25 < CIA-18> rene * r15633 /trunk/package/emulators/gngeo/gngeo.desc:
08:25 < CIA-18> keinek
08:25 < CIA-18> * updated gngeo (0.6.9 -> 0.6.10)
08:36 < CIA-18> rene * r15634 /trunk/package/base/most/ (. most.cache most.desc):
08:36 < CIA-18> karasz
08:36 < CIA-18> * added most (4.9.5) - A most powerful paging program
08:37 < CIA-18> rene * r15635 /trunk/package/network/curl/curl.desc: * updated curl (7.15.1 -> 7.15.2)
08:38 < CIA-18> rene * r15636 /trunk/package/audio/speex/speex.desc: * updated speex (1.1.10 -> 1.1.12)
08:42 < CIA-18> rene * r15637 /trunk/package/x11/xdialog/xdialog.desc: * updated xdialog (2.1.1 -> 2.2.0)
08:45 < CIA-18> rene * r15638 /trunk/package/archiver/rzip/rzip.desc: * updated rzip (2.0 -> 2.1)
08:47 < CIA-18> rene * r15639 /trunk/package/x11/xosview/xosview.desc: * updated xosview (1.8.2 -> 1.8.3)
08:48 < CIA-18> rene * r15640 /trunk/package/x11/xterm/xterm.desc: * updated xterm (208 -> 209)
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10:49 < morfoh> hi
11:04 < rxr_> moin morfoh
11:08 < morfoh> moin rxr_
11:08 -!- You're now known as rxr
11:13 < CIA-18> rene * r15641 /trunk/package/graphic/sane-frontends/scan-button.patch:
11:13 < CIA-18> * patched sane-frontends to corretly reset the sensitifiy of the scan
11:13 < CIA-18> button in the error-path after sane_start, e.g. simpliy when out
11:13 < CIA-18> of documents (already commited to upstream CVS)
11:18 < morfoh> rxr: what do you think about generating selected content for the handbook from the t2 source tree to be more consistent and to distribute the "load" ? i.e. target descriptions
11:19 < rxr> morfoh: yes, also the -help screens should be generated
11:21 < morfoh> rxr: ack ... because this can be done easily ... I've tested that using asciidoc
11:22 < morfoh> rxr: one has to take care of course from a security point of view, but I think in a quite safe env. this should be no problem
11:25 < morfoh> rxr: can I commit the new stuff to some place in the svn repo while working on it ?
11:26 < valentin> moin
11:26 < morfoh> moin valentin :)
11:27 < valentin> rxr: what was the latest version - 1.6.6 ?
11:28 < valentin> seems so...
11:32 < valentin> rxr: i scanned around a bit with the binary version and got no error so far...
11:35 < karasz> moin all
11:36 < karasz> hello owl
11:36 < karasz> rxr nice line in most.desc ;)
11:37 < owl> moin
11:37 < owl> hi karasz
11:42 < karasz> bbl
11:51 < rxr> valentin: hm
11:51 < rxr> valentin: even multiple scans ?
11:51 < rxr> and multiple applications ?
11:52 < rxr> do you have M$ Word and/or Photoshop around ?
11:53 < valentin> i try acrobat
11:55 < rxr> .oO
11:55 < rxr> Acrobat did not work yet, no ?
11:56 < valentin> ?
11:56 < rxr> Acrobat Professional 7.0 or so
11:56 < rxr> AFAIK the app did strange things on the driver ...
11:56 < valentin> oh
11:58 < valentin> but i have not much other stuff to test
11:58 < rxr> it remained unfixed after I wasted some days on that fluff ...
11:58 < rxr> .oO
11:58 < rxr> what did you test, exact scan only ?
11:58 < valentin> rxr: you are right, somehow aa7 makes strange things
11:58 < valentin> rxr: yes
11:58 < valentin> i have a broken version of cardiris and an expired version of OOO testdrive
11:58 < rxr> valentin: do you have the time left to grab the M$ Office demo ?
11:58 < rxr> AFAIK the client said it happens in his database plugin _and_ M$ Word
11:59 < valentin> i can try - do you think i can install the demo twice ?
11:59 < rxr> nope
11:59 < rxr> did it expire ?
11:59 < valentin> or mom - wait
12:01 < rxr> it hides it's install timestamp somewhere deeply hidden
12:01 < rxr> however I did not try to locate it - but it was not a one look ...
12:01 < valentin> yes - same for acrobat - i remember diffing the whole filesystem before and after install some time ago
12:02 < valentin> rxr: of course the old M$ testdrive installer refuses to reinstall the packages :/
12:02 < rxr> ouhm
12:02 < rxr> you want to go AH now, right?
12:04 < valentin> well... i do not _need_ to go
12:04 < valentin> it is very late allready
12:04 < rxr> yeah then go
12:04 < valentin> and i booted into osten anyway
12:04 < rxr> take your iBook with your to grab some software here then
12:04 < valentin> so i can invest another 20 minutes to search for a bug
12:05 < rxr> we could test in the evening then as well if you have the time
12:06 < valentin> ok, bbl
12:07 < valentin> maybe you have some more software there
12:07 < rxr> yep
12:07 < rxr> cu then
12:47 < karasz> re
13:01 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15642 /trunk/package/base/hal/ (7 files):
13:01 < CIA-18> * updated hal (0.5.6 -> 0.5.7)
13:01 < CIA-18> * remove not-applying patches
13:01 < CIA-18> * fix init as --retain-priviledges no longer needed
13:01 < CIA-18> * copyright updates
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13:26 < rxr> re
13:26 < karasz> wb rxr
13:27 < rxr> jsaw_: are you sure about the priviledges ?
13:46 < jsaw_> rxr: the option does not exist anymore, and the ChangeLog says this
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13:47 < rxr> jsaw: do you have not tested ?
13:47 < rxr> the former version also said it is not neded
13:47 < rxr> but it did not work for me due to premissions problems and those helper stuff was not able to access the devices then
13:48 < rxr> but well - we can wait and see if someone or I complain about a regression ,-)))
13:48 < jsaw> :)
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13:48 < sepp> hello
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13:55 < jadawin> good day everyone
13:56 < morfoh> hi sepperl ;)
13:56 < morfoh> hi karasz, jsaw, jadawin ;)
13:56 < sepp> hi morfoh jadawin :)
13:58 < rxr> hi jadawin
14:00 < jadawin> maybe some of you guys can provide me some help with a strange issue i'm having when building t2 trunk
14:01 < jadawin> i get a weird error when it starts building stage 2
14:01 < karasz> hello kommrad :)
14:02 < karasz> hi jadawin
14:02 < jadawin> hi karasz
14:02 < morfoh> karasz: moin tavarish :)
14:05 < rxr> jadawin: post details ,-)
14:05 < jadawin> i'm putting them on a webspace so everyone can see them without cluttering the # space
14:08 < jadawin> http://ponto-dot.com/t2/t2_2.2_log.txt
14:09 < jadawin> i know someone came by the # with a similar problem already some time ago since i found mention to it through google
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14:10 < morfoh> jadawin: do you run Build-Target as root ?
14:11 < jadawin> yes i am
14:12 < morfoh> hm ...
14:12 < jadawin> and my /dev/null permissions are set to rw-rw-rw root root
14:13 < jadawin> and so are the permissions on build/$cfgid/dev/null
14:15 < jadawin> so if anyone has any idea on why this is happenning i'm all hears :D
14:20 < morfoh> jadawin: I'm sorry ... I've never seen that kind of problem ... and unf. I have no time atm. for further investigations ...
14:21 < mnemoc> moin!
14:21 < jadawin> ok, no prob, just asking if someone had some sort of explanation ;)
14:21 < morfoh> moin mnemoc ;)
14:22 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
14:24 < rxr> moin mnemoc
14:24 < rxr> hm - profiling our Mac device driver reviels, it spends 30% of it's time in mach_kernel::ml_set_interrupts_enabled
14:24 < rxr> :-(((
14:25 < rxr> 29.1%29.1%mach_kernelml_set_interrupts_enabled
14:25 < rxr> and 21.9% in run_queue_remove ....
14:26 < rxr> heh - and it marks some system functions good candidates for inlinning ?
14:26 < rxr> this profiler and the associated OS sucks ...
14:27 < rxr> jadawin: what is your host OS building ?
14:30 < jadawin> i'm running T2 2.1
14:30 < jadawin> on a p4
14:30 < rxr> what? you get /dev/null issue on a installed T2 ? that is your kernel is build by T2 and nto e.g. Fedora Core or Debian ?
14:30 < mnemoc> oin rxr
14:30 < rxr> hi mnemoc
14:31 < jadawin> i'm building a T2 2.2 build on a T2 2.1 system
14:31 < rxr> ouh
14:31 < jadawin> weird i know
14:31 < jadawin> lol
14:32 < jadawin> on a T2 2.1-rc3 to be more precise
14:33 < rxr> ls -la /dev/null build/.../dev/null
14:34 < jadawin> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/null
14:34 < mnemoc> and the one at builddir?
14:34 < jadawin> just the same
14:35 < jadawin> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2006-03-01 13:26 build/jadawin-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium4-generic/dev/null
14:35 < jadawin> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/null
14:36 < mnemoc> nodev mount point?
14:37 < jadawin> sorry, i'm lost there, nodev?
14:39 < karasz> moin mnemoc
14:41 < mnemoc> jadawin: mount option
14:42 < mnemoc> jadawin: is it a remote partition?
14:43 < jadawin> no, it's a local partition
14:44 < rxr> jadawin: sorry - I have no idea - I never experienced this myself and would need to debug this a bit ;-((
14:44 < mnemoc> $ grep pendrive /proc/mounts
14:44 < mnemoc> /dev/discs/disc1/part1 /media/pendrive vfat rw,sync,nodiratime,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=1000,gid=100,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0
14:44 < mnemoc> ^--- nodev option there
14:44 < mnemoc> see if the partition where your builddir is has that option
14:46 < jadawin> ah ok, thanks, let me get that
14:46 < jadawin> /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/d2 reiserfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0
14:47 < jadawin> is that it?
14:47 < rxr> heh
14:47 < rxr> yeah
14:47 < rxr> how did the nodev slip in there ?
14:47 < jadawin> that's a nice question
14:48 < mnemoc> :)
14:48 < mnemoc> grep d2 /etc/fstab
14:49 < jadawin> /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/d2 reiserfs noauto,user,exec 0 0
14:49 < mnemoc> add 'dev'
14:50 < jadawin> to the fstab entry?
14:50 < mnemoc> question: how did you add that mount point?
14:50 < jadawin> simply created the dir and added the entry in fstab
14:51 < rxr> guess nodev is default for user
14:51 < mnemoc> ok, then simply add dev and suid options
14:51 < jadawin> ok, let me get that on
14:52 < jadawin> ok, done
14:53 < jadawin> hmmm, nice it is building correctly again
14:53 < mnemoc> :)
14:53 < jadawin> woohoo, great !! can someone just explain me what happened?
14:54 < rxr> with user nodev is the default - and nodev disallows the use of device nodes on the mounted volume for security reasons
14:54 < rxr> e.g. so users can not mount their usb stick with hda* writeable for their own favour ,-))
14:54 < mnemoc> :)
14:55 < jadawin> that sounds like a nice feature but it was really messing me here ;)
14:55 < rxr> it also never came to my mine the times this was mentioned here before
14:55 < jadawin> luckily to me it did now ehehe
14:55 * rxr never got the idea someone would build on a user-mounted filesystem ...
14:56 < rxr> yep - nice we have this case solved
14:56 < rxr> mnemoc: bw. reiser4 in production and heavy use on my hammer notebook
14:56 < rxr> yesteday or so I was shocked with kernel oops - but they did not have been due corruption - fsck.reiser4 found none - all file
14:56 < rxr> more due to bug in 16-rc*-mm* ...
14:57 < mnemoc> rxr: i wanted to add reiserfs4 patch on reiser4progs at 2.1...
14:57 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe just keep 2.1 in maintenance mode - 2.2 with all this is on it's way ,-))
14:58 < mnemoc> *g*
14:59 < jadawin> :D man you guys just made my day, thank you very much
15:01 < rxr> jadawin: thanks too ,-) have fun.
15:01 < jadawin> long live T2
15:01 < jadawin> lol
15:04 < mnemoc> :)
15:07 < morfoh> jadawin: :)
15:36 < rxr> woa - snowing like crazzy again ...
15:36 < rxr> this is a snowy winter this year
15:37 < rxr> seldom experienced that much snow so far
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15:46 < LMJ> lol jadawin here !
15:46 < LMJ> moin rxr, mnemoc, morfoh & co
15:46 < jadawin> hi LMJ
15:51 < LMJ> welcome to heaven ;)
15:52 < karasz> guys I wanna say goodbye for a while
15:52 < rxr> karasz: ouh - why that ?
15:52 < karasz> i guess this month i won't be in here...
15:53 < karasz> as i leave my office till March 23 at least
15:53 < rxr> off to clients traveling? or why do we have to miss you ?
15:53 < karasz> i am goin on a business travel to SE Asia
15:54 < karasz> Malay, Thay Cambodia and so on
15:54 < rxr> oh - nice, I suppose
15:54 < karasz> and i dunno how internet access will be there :)
15:56 < rxr> white asstonishing how much CPU is burned scanning virtual data from a file, without scanner i/o at all ...
15:56 < rxr> damn OS ...
15:56 < rxr> barely can be called OS at all ...
15:56 < rxr> karasz: well - have fun then - hope to see you back soon!
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15:57 < morfoh> karasz: have a nice trip :)
15:58 < mnemoc> karasz: selling your application?
15:58 < jadawin> ye karasz: have a good journey mate ;)
15:58 < morfoh> karasz: hope to see you back soon, tavarish ;)
16:01 < karasz> yeh, i hope that too
16:01 < karasz> mnemoc: yes.
16:02 < mnemoc> :)
16:02 < morfoh> karasz: good luck :)
16:03 < karasz> thx kommrad
16:03 < morfoh> karasz: yw ;)
16:04 < karasz> let's hope that spending month on writting an interchangeble interface for the app will pay off now :D
16:06 < karasz> so me off now and hopefully i will pop my head in here seldomly :D
16:06 < karasz> cu all and take good care
16:06 < karasz> bye
16:06 < rxr> take care in asia as well - cu then ,-))
16:08 < mnemoc> cu, and good luck karasz
16:09 < rxr> and don't get the bird flu ...
16:20 < morfoh> rxr: how high is the possibility for getting the bird flu, while concerning that about till today about 90 people world wide died due to the bird flu ?
16:20 < rxr> morfoh: I was joking ...
16:21 < morfoh> rxr: sorry :p
16:21 < jadawin> lol, if people who have it die then the probability is not very high i'd say
16:21 < morfoh> there are more people dieing due to hunger and war all the day
16:22 < morfoh> wtf is the bird flu ?
16:24 < morfoh> it's the ultimate license for "printing" money
16:31 < mnemoc> "Gutenprint was formerly called Gimp-Print."
16:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: "Gutenprint" ?
16:36 < mnemoc> " Gutenprint is the successor of Gimp-Print, it was renamed with the change from version 4.x to 5.x. All printers which worked with Gimp-Print before, work also (and hopefully better) with Gutenprint."
16:37 < mnemoc> now it's usable from cups
16:48 < valentin> rxr: i'm comming over now
16:49 < rxr> valentin: ok - cu
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17:12 < jadawin> ok, bbl ppl, gotta go out to the supermarket ;)
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19:29 < morfoh> re hi
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19:39 < misl> hi folks :)
20:07 < rxr> re
20:07 < rxr> hey misl !
20:08 < misl> hi rxr
20:29 < rxr> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26522
20:29 < rxr> slowly but steadily I get an account in every bugzilla out there ...
20:29 < rxr> and since today I'm on the Apple usb mailing list ... :-(((
20:29 < rxr> misl: recently I even installed java on my dads PC for a net-DVD player software ...
20:29 < misl> :)
20:30 < misl> Java Rulez
20:30 < misl> just kiddin
20:30 < rxr> lol
20:30 < rxr> your new work is going well, too ?
20:30 < misl> rxr: Too well
20:30 < misl> I hardly have any time left
20:31 < misl> and next week they want me at the old project again too
20:31 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/70232
20:31 < misl> just for one day
20:32 < misl> Linux Rulez too :)
20:32 < rxr> ,-)
20:32 < rxr> definetly
21:01 < LMJ> gtg, see you later guys
21:05 * misl off too
21:06 < misl> cu all
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21:12 < valentin> re
21:12 * valentin on one of rxr's archivista boxes :)
21:13 < mnemoc> buy one?
21:14 < mnemoc> bought* :)
21:14 < valentin> nah... rxr gave me on of his geodes
21:14 < valentin> and it happens that there is still archivista on it :)
21:14 < valentin> hi mnemoc
21:15 * valentin needs more patch cables...
21:15 < owl> hi valentin , mnemoc
21:15 < valentin> hi owlie
21:15 < mnemoc> hi owlita :)
21:17 < owl> how are you guys? long time no see!
21:18 < valentin> just fine. much work, but mostly nice work. and a little girl that wakes me everyday between 0600 and 0700
21:18 < owl> huh? -v? :)
21:18 < valentin> hm, no alsa on this box
21:19 < valentin> owl: why 'huh?' ?
21:19 < owl> little girl? :)
21:19 < owl> did i miss someting?
21:19 < valentin> owl: obviously :)
21:19 < mnemoc> hanna (?)
21:19 < valentin> janna
21:20 < mnemoc> sorry :)
21:20 < valentin> owl: she is almost 8 month
21:21 < mnemoc> crashing (hit) everywhere?
21:21 < owl> O_O sorry, i am becoming old. maybe parts of my brain are not working anymore ;)
21:21 < valentin> hehe, owl seems to be shocked :)
21:21 < mnemoc> yeah
21:21 < valentin> maybe we never talked bout our children when owl was here
21:22 < mnemoc> probably
21:22 < valentin> anyone here knows fluxbox ? how do i de-iconify an iconified application ?
21:23 < valentin> ah - middle mouse button
21:23 * valentin wondering what ms-2-button-mouse users will do...
21:23 < mnemoc> emulated middle button
21:24 < valentin> hehe
21:24 < mnemoc> mine use emulated middle button until i move the wheel :(
21:26 < valentin> damn, i neither have any patch cable left to connect my notebook to the switch nor any power outlet for my wireless AP - how do i get my notebook online now ?
21:26 < valentin> ah - there is a patch cable in the U30
21:26 < mnemoc> poor u30 :(
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21:28 < valentin> and - stupid me - since my wireless AP is unplugged atm, i can use it's patch cable, too :)
21:28 < valentin> cu owl :)
21:28 < mnemoc> :)
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21:28 < valentin> wb owl
21:28 < mnemoc> welcome back owlinette!
21:28 < owl> re
21:29 < owl> thx ;)
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