T2 IRC Log: 2006-02-11
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--- Log opened Sat Feb 11 00:00:05 2006
00:06 < Baldzius> sorry it works
00:10 < Baldzius> gn8
00:12 < karasz> gn8 Baldzius
00:42 < mnemoc> rehi
01:03 < morfoh> wb mnemoc ;)
01:04 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
01:04 < mnemoc> did you pick up the package?
01:06 < morfoh> yep
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02:22 < CIA-18> amery * r15398 /trunk/package/security/cvm/ (cvm.conf cvm.desc): * updated cvm (0.71 -> 0.76), and updated copyright notes
02:29 < CIA-18> amery * r15399 /trunk/package/mail/qmail-autoresponder/ (5 files): * added qmail-autoresponder (0.96.2) - Rate-limited autoresponder for qmail
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07:51 < rxr> re
08:36 < rxr> Too many color components: 0, max 10
08:36 < rxr> haha
08:38 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
08:38 < misl> hi folks
08:39 < rxr> moin misl
08:52 < valentin> moin
08:53 < rxr> moin
09:01 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEE61B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
09:01 < morfoh> moin
09:01 < rxr> moin morfoh
09:01 < morfoh> moin rxr
09:31 < CIA-18> chris * r15400 /trunk/package/security/samhain/samhain.desc: * updated samhain (2.1.0 -> 2.1.2)
10:17 < rxr> I don't exactly like the jaskper (jpeg2000) api
10:20 < morfoh> bbl
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10:32 < owl> moin
10:37 < rxr> moin owl
10:37 < owl> hi rxr
11:01 < rxr> so - I get neared to use this strange jasper API to read jpeg2000 files ...
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11:31 < rxr> ha
11:31 < rxr> so - jpeg2000 read does work now ...
11:33 < valentin> what about writing ? so much more complicated ?
11:33 < rxr> valentin: when time comes writing as welll
11:33 < rxr> the jaspar api is ugly
11:33 < rxr> took me some hours to fiddle with it ...
11:33 < rxr> writing will be symetrically equivalent (I hope)
11:38 < rxr> ouhm
11:39 < rxr> some jpeg2k ref images are 12 and 16 bit precision
11:39 < rxr> ok - I do not code some conditionals for them know
11:39 < rxr> basic files and when we or someone needs those that code can be added later on...
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12:55 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
12:55 < misl> :-)
13:00 < sepp> (-:
13:00 < Baldzius> :)
13:00 < Baldzius> hi misl sepp :)
13:00 < sepp> hi Baldzius misl
13:00 < misl> hi sepp, Baldzius
13:05 < mnemoc> moin!
13:05 < misl> hi mnemoc
13:06 < rxr> moin mnemoc !
13:06 < mnemoc> moin misl, rxr, sepp and nasty-boy
13:08 < sepp> hi mnemoc
13:09 < LMJ> moin moin
13:09 < mnemoc> moin LMJ
13:09 < LMJ> hello mnemoc
13:09 < LMJ> how are you today ?
13:10 < misl> hi LMJ
13:10 < mnemoc> fine, and you?
13:11 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc, rxr, LMJ
13:11 < LMJ> moin Baldzius, misl , rxr ;)
13:11 < LMJ> fine fine
13:12 < LMJ> little sick
13:18 * rxr away - cu
13:19 < mnemoc> cu rxr
13:19 < mnemoc> LMJ: :(
13:19 < mnemoc> Baldzius: what about patching terminal 0.2.2 to build against svn libexo?
13:19 < LMJ> no mnemoc , just little, noze full of shit, that's all ;)
13:19 < mnemoc> :)
13:20 < Baldzius> mnemoc: you mean 0.2.4 ?
13:20 < mnemoc> yes, that
13:20 < Baldzius> hardly
13:21 < Baldzius> i think i'll just revert libexo :)
13:21 < Baldzius> and leave thunar as it is
13:21 < mnemoc> ok :\
13:25 < valentin> grrr... stupid racoon error messages: Feb 11 14:26:36 localhost racoon: ERROR: glob found no matches for path
13:26 < valentin> racoon: failed to parse configuration file.
13:26 < valentin> how neat !
13:26 < valentin> it should perhaps print which glob pattern for what path...
13:27 < valentin> so a normal user does not need to run strace over it
13:27 < mnemoc> *g*
13:27 < CIA-18> sebastian * r15401 /trunk/package/x11/glew/glew.desc: * marked glew NOPARALLEL
13:28 < valentin> hm, it searches for /etc/racoon.conf whereas this always had been /etc/racoon/racoon.conf before
13:29 < mnemoc> and that is a parse error??
13:29 < valentin> creating a symlink works, but this is an ugly solution
13:29 < valentin> mnemoc: that it could not open the file
13:29 < valentin> nice "parse error"
13:30 < mnemoc> :)
13:32 < mnemoc> valentin: -f ?
13:32 < valentin> sure that is an option, but how did it work before without -f ?
13:33 < mnemoc> /etc/racoon/racoon.conf could be a borked sysconfdir=
13:36 < CIA-18> valentin * r15402 /trunk/package/network/ipsec-tools/checkpointVPNquirk.patch: * added patch for borked checkpoint VPN - log but tolerate wrong statusbits sent back in authentification phase
13:41 < karasz> moin all
13:41 < mnemoc> moin karasz
13:41 < karasz> quik report 14 packs failed allready
13:43 < karasz> includin kdebase and such
13:43 < karasz> expecr, transfig just to name a few
13:43 < karasz> but i have to run now, so bbl with more info
13:43 < karasz> cu
13:45 < CIA-18> sebastian * r15403 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkglext/gtkglext.desc: * updated gtkglext (1.0.6 -> 1.2.0)
14:27 < owl> re
14:28 < mnemoc> wb owlita
14:28 < owl> thx mnemoc ;)
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16:28 < karasz> so re all
16:42 < LMJ> hello back dude
16:42 < karasz> karasz=dude?
16:43 < mnemoc> outch
16:43 < karasz> LMJ: ?
16:43 < LMJ> yep karasz
16:43 < mnemoc> dude=friend
16:43 < LMJ> any problem ?
16:44 < karasz> no problem at all
16:44 < karasz> just it was the first time that anyone called me dude.
16:44 < karasz> so bonsoir LMJ :)
16:44 < LMJ> bonsoir karasz ;)
16:45 < LMJ> dude, mate, buddy, ;)
16:45 < karasz> mnemoc: re and thx for translation
16:45 < karasz> btw mnemoc
16:45 < karasz> number of failed packs grows... :(
16:45 < karasz> right now i am around 25
16:45 < mnemoc> treE? arch? target?
16:46 < karasz> desktop HEAD trunk x86-64 opt em64t
16:46 < karasz> funiest of them all is kdebase
16:46 < karasz> failed because cannot find bdftopcf command ?!?
16:47 < karasz> which it is not enabled to build... i guess.
16:47 < mnemoc> probably
16:47 < sepp> that is in package bdftopcf :)
16:49 < karasz> hmmm, qtparted still looks for qt libs in `/opt/qt33/lib`
16:49 < karasz> instead of `/opt/qt33/lib64` i mean
16:50 < karasz> but by the way thing are lookin' i guess we won't have a regression till monday :(
16:54 < karasz> :( why?, kdebase did not found sambaclient lib....
16:56 < karasz> samba installed libs in `lib` not `lib64` :(
16:56 < mnemoc> so fix samba :)
16:56 < karasz> yeah
16:56 < karasz> thinkin of it...
17:23 < karasz> my, oh my, bad configure, bad :)
17:23 < karasz> explicit /lib in samba's configure....
17:23 < mnemoc> as usual
17:23 < karasz> yup :)
17:23 < karasz> but
17:24 < karasz> not as usual, samba takes --libdir= on configure
17:24 < karasz> so there is hope
17:25 < karasz> that some day we won't polute our planet and we will make propper ./configure scripts.
17:25 < mnemoc> --libdir=$libdir is not therE?
17:30 < karasz> nope
17:30 < karasz> in our conf we do not touch --libdir.
17:30 < karasz> we thouch a whole lot of other options but not --libdir
17:31 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
17:31 < misl> hi folks
17:31 < karasz> hi Minto
17:32 < karasz> :) stage [6]
17:37 < karasz> :) stage [7]
17:37 < karasz> ? only gettext on stage [6] ?
17:39 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200-70-160-129.mrse.com.ar] has joined #t2
17:40 < keinek> hi guys
17:40 < mnemoc> karasz: to build mono bindings
17:40 < keinek> now i will sent update for scummvm, xmame, and a little fix to swftools
17:40 < keinek> :)
17:41 < keinek> hi mnemoc.
17:41 < keinek> everything ok in the cyclevia?
17:41 < mnemoc> wb keinek
17:45 < karasz> hello keinek
17:45 < keinek> hi karasz
17:45 < keinek> :)
17:50 < karasz> O_o
17:50 < karasz> build finished ????
17:50 < karasz> hmm the usual fget error at the end...
17:51 < mnemoc> ?
17:51 < karasz> mnemoc: that means that i should enable fget in the config?
17:51 < karasz> iirc that was the solution...
17:53 < karasz> -> Creating output image ...
17:53 < karasz> cp: cannot stat `/usr/src/t2-trunk/build/desktop-2.2.0-alpha-x86-64-em64t-desktop/usr/bin/fget': No such file or directory
17:55 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/regressions/head_dsk/regressions.html
17:55 < karasz> ^^ does not look so bad
18:03 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178143042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2
18:03 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
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18:04 < karasz> moin Baldzius
18:04 < Baldzius> hi karasz :)
18:12 < CIA-18> amery * r15404 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtklp/ (. gtklp.desc): * added gtklp (1.1.0) - a graphical Frontend to CUPS
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18:17 < rxr_> re
18:17 < Baldzius> wb rxr
18:18 < rxr_> hi Baldzius
18:18 -!- You're now known as rxr
18:18 < mnemoc> wb rxr_
18:18 < rxr> what was to be missed in the afternoon ?
18:19 < mnemoc> i guess nothing
18:19 < rxr> :_(
18:20 < rxr> mnemoc: do you want to respond the t2 list's security and such mail ?
18:20 < mnemoc> if you can, please do so :\
18:23 < rxr> K3b 0.12.11
18:24 < valentin> re
18:26 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEEEE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
18:26 < morfoh> re hi
18:27 < karasz> hello kommrad
18:28 < karasz> valentin
18:36 < valentin> hi karasz, morfoh
18:56 < karasz> mnemoc: around?
18:57 < mnemoc> depends
18:57 < karasz> :)
18:57 < karasz> if you have time can you take a look at http://karasz.pastebin.ca/41165
18:57 < karasz> just to see if it any bull* in it
18:58 < karasz> i tried to slim down the regression to be more short and understandeble
19:05 < karasz> ugly, ugly, bad Makefile, bad `LIBS = -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXtst`
19:06 < karasz> so i guess most of what i pasted in pastebin can be resolved even by me, on monday
19:06 < karasz> some of the errors though are harder to track
19:07 < rxr> jsaw: awake ?
19:08 < mnemoc> karasz: looks good
19:08 < karasz> pastebin?
19:09 < karasz> do not be too confident mnemoc on pastebin i only have errors i could understand and track down
19:09 < karasz> but in general, yes, it looks quite good
19:09 < karasz> only 30 failed on desktop.
19:10 < karasz> so I guess we are aproachin a stable 2.2 with great styeps :)
19:12 < mnemoc> ack
19:14 < rxr> yeah - I stopped commiting ,-) the way to get trunk stablelized
19:17 < mnemoc> hehe
19:36 < rxr> at least a mail on dietlibc ...
19:36 < rxr> mnemoc: are you on it ?
19:36 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. how is work ?
19:37 < mnemoc> heavily against schedule
19:37 < mnemoc> rxr: dietlibc ml? yes
19:38 < rxr> yeah - nice reply to my patch
19:38 < rxr> actually uncovered two bugs in my patch
19:38 < rxr> but leaving out that the original one was broken aynway
19:43 < karasz> samba patch sent to ML
19:43 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p83.129.172.100.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
19:44 < rxr> so - dinner
19:44 < rxr> cu
19:44 < karasz> cu
19:45 < mnemoc> cu rxr
19:45 < karasz> mnemoc: samba patch sent to ML
19:45 < karasz> i am not that lazy, you know ;)
19:48 < mnemoc> i know :)
19:48 < karasz> tested and it builds ok.
19:48 < karasz> but now i really have to run, sorry
19:49 < karasz> i'll fix what I can on monday
19:49 < karasz> untill then there is the regression :)
19:52 < CIA-18> amery * r15405 /trunk/package/network/samba/fix_2686.patch: * removed fix_2686.patch from samba, fixed upstrem on a different way
19:57 < karasz> so cu on moday guys
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20:00 < mnemoc> cu karasz
20:05 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp
20:15 < CIA-18> amery * r15406 /branches/2.1-test/package/network/samba/ (7 files):
20:15 < CIA-18> * merged 15169,15405 from trunk: updated samba (3.0.21a -> 3.0.21b), and copyright notes updated
20:15 < CIA-18> * merged 15278 from trunk: fixed samba to make a valid csh 'smbadduser' script
20:19 < CIA-18> amery * r15407 /branches/2.1-test/package/www/mozilla/mozilla.desc: * merged 12068 from trunk: updated mozilla (1.7.11 -> 1.7.12)
20:19 < CIA-18> rene * r15408 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/ (clearenv.patch putenv.patch):
20:19 < CIA-18> * fixed my putenv patch and clearenv implementation for dietlibc as
20:19 < CIA-18> noted on the dietlibc list, clearenv must check if it is the original
20:19 < CIA-18> usually stack based pointer and clearenv did not preserve the first
20:19 < CIA-18> variable added due to overlooking this stack based orig environment
20:19 < CIA-18> implementation datail, also readded the microoptimzation for comparing
20:19 < CIA-18> the key to keep the patch smaller and the upstream people pleased
20:21 < rxr> more msg. than diff ,-)
20:21 < mnemoc> :)
20:38 < mnemoc> rxr: putenv looks sexier now
20:47 < rxr> more playmates hidden in ASCI art now ?
20:50 < mnemoc> :)
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20:50 < rxr> so - me starting jpeg2000 write support for exact-image currently in rapid protyping mode ...
20:50 < rxr> but maybe I leave into bed before it is finsihed ...
20:54 < rxr> cool - jasper can at least transform the colorspace alone
20:55 < rxr> thus I can remove a bunch of ugly code I protyped together for unimportant colorspaces -> sRGB conversion that do not work perfect yet from the jpeg2000 read method ...
20:57 < rxr> jasper is by no means a handy jp2 library
20:57 < rxr> it includes a infrastructure for for any format including pnm, bmp jpeg, jpeg2000 handling and so on
20:57 < rxr> I think I evaluate the other jp2 libs if they are more up-to-the-point and nicer to use ...
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21:24 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15409 /trunk/package/develop/lua/ (build.patch lua-config lua.conf):
21:24 < CIA-18> * fix lua-config
21:24 < CIA-18> * fix [[ $libdir != */lib ]]
21:27 < rxr> n8 all
21:27 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
21:33 < morfoh> gn8 rxr
21:44 -!- ojh [n=omer@71.36.205.220] has joined #t2
21:45 < ojh> Hi. Is NDISwrapper in the ISO of 2.1.1 or will I have to recompile the kernel after installing?
21:58 < ojh> Correction: I don't need NDIS for this card :-D But is the rt2x00 driver package part of the default build?
21:58 < jsaw> re
21:59 < jsaw> ojh: I donÃ't know about 2.1, but in 2.2 it is
21:59 < jsaw> ojh: in doubt, you have to check the package...
21:59 < ojh> Hi jsaw.
21:59 < ojh> THX
21:59 < jsaw> hi ojh :)
22:01 < jsaw> how are you doin, omer?
22:02 < ojh> I am pleseased that I located a wireless card that (should) work with an open sourse driver. The Belkin F5D7010 was the least expensive wireless card at a local office supply store so I decided to try it.
22:02 < ojh> I am fine . . . hay, you used my first name :)
22:03 < jsaw> saw it on your join, and remember that you once told about something why you are called omer..
22:04 < jsaw> oh, I think mnemoc asked you what the j means, or_
22:04 < jsaw> ?
22:04 < ojh> I already had the wireless ability in my teleco's DSL . . . so I figured its time to stop with the CAT5 to the laptop :)
22:04 < jsaw> yeah...
22:04 < jsaw> I bought some no-name rt2700 a while ago.
22:05 < ojh> Omer is my first name, I am named after my grandfathers Omer James :)
22:05 < jsaw> eh, I mean rt2570
22:05 < jsaw> ojh: ah, right
22:06 < jsaw> ojh: ppl call me "GeorgeÄ" (it used to be because "Juergen" has the same meaning as "George", now it's because of Ä"George of the jungle")
22:07 < jsaw> .oO(hmm, should switch of luit)
22:07 < sepp> jsaw: they try to make a single driver for rt2?00 right now
22:08 < jsaw> hi sepp
22:08 < sepp> hi jsaw ;)
22:08 < jsaw> sepp: heard about it, but what's the status?
22:08 < jsaw> sepp: Ö;)
22:08 < jsaw> gah
22:08 < jsaw> sepp: ;)
22:08 < sepp> i have not tested the new driver - the old one is really crap
22:08 < sepp> i even used my 6 year old orinoco card :/
22:09 < jsaw> rt2570 works well for me (side note, the XP driver doesn't work)
22:09 < sepp> ohh
22:09 < ojh> jsaw: LOL - My parents always called me OJ - but I kinda stopped that beacuse OJ Hickman sounds almost like OJ Simpson. LOL. Of course I am white to the point of almost looking albino. LOL.
22:09 < jsaw> I think XP can't handle a USB2.0 device on a USB1.1 port... or at least that driver
22:10 < jsaw> ojh: lol
22:10 < jsaw> albojho
22:10 < ojh> LOL
22:10 < sepp> jsaw: if you ever try the new single rt* driver and it works - tell me ;)
22:11 < jsaw> could take some time, I'm not using the laptop at home that often anymore
22:11 < sepp> i had not much fun with rt2500 and the old driver
22:12 < jsaw> maybe it's time to update on trunk...
22:13 < jsaw> hey, trunk seems to stabilze:
22:13 < jsaw> 2062 builds total, 1131 completed fine, 2 with errors.
22:13 < jsaw> (Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-64-athlon64-generic)
22:13 < sepp> :)
22:13 < ojh> Not too bad :)
22:14 < jsaw> yeah
22:14 < jsaw> jhead and seamonkey failed so far
22:14 < sepp> someone here tested doodle?
22:14 < jsaw> sepp: better ask my daughter
22:14 < jsaw> or is it a t2 package?
22:14 < sepp> hehehe
22:15 < sepp> not so far
22:15 < ojh> "doodle" the indexer used in some very obscuer file managers and music players?
22:15 < sepp> its like beagle but without mono
22:15 < jsaw> ah
22:15 < sepp> obscure like the e17 file manager ;)
22:16 < jsaw> obscure...
22:16 < ojh> Yes, its used in Evedence and WXmusic
22:17 < ojh> I evaluated for indexing functions in ZDE but it is too limited. Then I discivered that a complete port of Lucene has been done to pure C++.
22:18 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15410 /trunk/package/lua/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
22:18 < CIA-18> * add pcre and posix-regex lua module
22:18 < CIA-18> (both based on lrexlib-1.19)
22:18 < ojh> So, Beagle could be re-writen with out needing a CLR just fine :)
22:19 * jsaw doesn't understand the byte-code hype
22:21 < ojh> C-Lucene has been used in some impressive ways in Flock (an expermental FF based web browser) and SWORD (to index Bible and other religous texs). C-Lucene is an impressive piece of code.
22:21 < jsaw> ojh knows sword?
22:23 < ojh> And C-Lucene will be the engine of the Scout module of ZDE. Well, when I get back to the Scout sub project . . .
22:23 < jsaw> eh,
22:23 < jsaw> what's ZDE and FF?
22:23 < sepp> clucene.sf.net ?
22:24 < ojh> ZDE (Zirconium Desktop Environment - my pe project) and FF = Firegox.
22:25 < ojh> pet project
22:25 < jsaw> url?
22:26 < ojh> http://zirconium.xisystems.net/
22:28 < jsaw> ojh: have a look at the last paragraph
22:28 < jsaw> ojh: "our goals and methods very greatly."
22:28 < jsaw> ?????
22:32 < jsaw> what's Xi Systems?
22:33 < ojh> I think you need to follow the Symphony project to see the diferences. Symphony focuses mostly on the newbe aspect of usability - I intend a system that is inherently elegant and eficient. For example the philosophy on screen usage - Symphony has nothing against 2 large swaths of the screen being unused so that its corner targets remain visable. I want to allocate ALL avilable screen spact to what the user is ACTUALY DOING. Symphony wants to do EVERYTHING in XHTML -
22:34 < jsaw> nono, I meant the sentence
22:34 < jsaw> there's something missing, or?
22:35 < ojh> Grammer. My bad.
22:35 < jsaw> like "resemble"
22:36 < ojh> Needs editing, project site needs a complete rewrite soon anyway . . .
22:36 < jsaw> honestly, I'm tired (helping my parents-in-law renovating)
22:36 < jsaw> so,....
22:37 < jsaw> ... I'll try to find some place to sleep on the construction site ;)
22:37 < mnemoc> ojh: you could send patches to add your projects to t2
22:37 < ojh> Have fun. :) Nothing like home improvement projects
22:37 < jsaw> :)
22:38 < jsaw> hi and bye mnemoc
22:38 < sepp> jsaw: sleep well on some boxes :)
22:38 < mnemoc> bye jsaw
22:38 < jsaw> sepp: hehe
22:38 < jsaw> gn8, cu all
22:39 < jsaw> P.S.P.B.ÖC (pre-sleep, post bye comment): yes, ojh, add your project to t2
22:40 < ojh> Yes, I intend to. Once ZDE is resonably complete (I still need to write startup and session manager - currently starting a raw X session and starting by hand from xterm) I will add to T2 - in fact I want to create a demonstration ISO based on T2Live to showcase ZDE.
22:43 < mnemoc> alpha packages are also wellcome
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23:17 < ojh> I am having problems with CDrecord, it will not recognize my DVD/RW as such. :-/
23:18 < mnemoc> use dev=/dev/.....
23:18 < ojh> OK
23:18 < ojh> That worked :)
23:18 < sepp> good night *
23:19 < ojh> Good night sepp :)
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00:06 < Baldzius> sorry it works
00:10 < Baldzius> gn8
00:12 < karasz> gn8 Baldzius
00:42 < mnemoc> rehi
01:03 < morfoh> wb mnemoc ;)
01:04 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
01:04 < mnemoc> did you pick up the package?
01:06 < morfoh> yep
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02:22 < CIA-18> amery * r15398 /trunk/package/security/cvm/ (cvm.conf cvm.desc): * updated cvm (0.71 -> 0.76), and updated copyright notes
02:29 < CIA-18> amery * r15399 /trunk/package/mail/qmail-autoresponder/ (5 files): * added qmail-autoresponder (0.96.2) - Rate-limited autoresponder for qmail
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07:51 < rxr> re
08:36 < rxr> Too many color components: 0, max 10
08:36 < rxr> haha
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08:38 < misl> hi folks
08:39 < rxr> moin misl
08:52 < valentin> moin
08:53 < rxr> moin
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09:01 < morfoh> moin
09:01 < rxr> moin morfoh
09:01 < morfoh> moin rxr
09:31 < CIA-18> chris * r15400 /trunk/package/security/samhain/samhain.desc: * updated samhain (2.1.0 -> 2.1.2)
10:17 < rxr> I don't exactly like the jaskper (jpeg2000) api
10:20 < morfoh> bbl
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10:32 < owl> moin
10:37 < rxr> moin owl
10:37 < owl> hi rxr
11:01 < rxr> so - I get neared to use this strange jasper API to read jpeg2000 files ...
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11:31 < rxr> ha
11:31 < rxr> so - jpeg2000 read does work now ...
11:33 < valentin> what about writing ? so much more complicated ?
11:33 < rxr> valentin: when time comes writing as welll
11:33 < rxr> the jaspar api is ugly
11:33 < rxr> took me some hours to fiddle with it ...
11:33 < rxr> writing will be symetrically equivalent (I hope)
11:38 < rxr> ouhm
11:39 < rxr> some jpeg2k ref images are 12 and 16 bit precision
11:39 < rxr> ok - I do not code some conditionals for them know
11:39 < rxr> basic files and when we or someone needs those that code can be added later on...
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12:55 < misl> :-)
13:00 < sepp> (-:
13:00 < Baldzius> :)
13:00 < Baldzius> hi misl sepp :)
13:00 < sepp> hi Baldzius misl
13:00 < misl> hi sepp, Baldzius
13:05 < mnemoc> moin!
13:05 < misl> hi mnemoc
13:06 < rxr> moin mnemoc !
13:06 < mnemoc> moin misl, rxr, sepp and nasty-boy
13:08 < sepp> hi mnemoc
13:09 < LMJ> moin moin
13:09 < mnemoc> moin LMJ
13:09 < LMJ> hello mnemoc
13:09 < LMJ> how are you today ?
13:10 < misl> hi LMJ
13:10 < mnemoc> fine, and you?
13:11 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc, rxr, LMJ
13:11 < LMJ> moin Baldzius, misl , rxr ;)
13:11 < LMJ> fine fine
13:12 < LMJ> little sick
13:18 * rxr away - cu
13:19 < mnemoc> cu rxr
13:19 < mnemoc> LMJ: :(
13:19 < mnemoc> Baldzius: what about patching terminal 0.2.2 to build against svn libexo?
13:19 < LMJ> no mnemoc , just little, noze full of shit, that's all ;)
13:19 < mnemoc> :)
13:20 < Baldzius> mnemoc: you mean 0.2.4 ?
13:20 < mnemoc> yes, that
13:20 < Baldzius> hardly
13:21 < Baldzius> i think i'll just revert libexo :)
13:21 < Baldzius> and leave thunar as it is
13:21 < mnemoc> ok :\
13:25 < valentin> grrr... stupid racoon error messages: Feb 11 14:26:36 localhost racoon: ERROR: glob found no matches for path
13:26 < valentin> racoon: failed to parse configuration file.
13:26 < valentin> how neat !
13:26 < valentin> it should perhaps print which glob pattern for what path...
13:27 < valentin> so a normal user does not need to run strace over it
13:27 < mnemoc> *g*
13:27 < CIA-18> sebastian * r15401 /trunk/package/x11/glew/glew.desc: * marked glew NOPARALLEL
13:28 < valentin> hm, it searches for /etc/racoon.conf whereas this always had been /etc/racoon/racoon.conf before
13:29 < mnemoc> and that is a parse error??
13:29 < valentin> creating a symlink works, but this is an ugly solution
13:29 < valentin> mnemoc: that it could not open the file
13:29 < valentin> nice "parse error"
13:30 < mnemoc> :)
13:32 < mnemoc> valentin: -f ?
13:32 < valentin> sure that is an option, but how did it work before without -f ?
13:33 < mnemoc> /etc/racoon/racoon.conf could be a borked sysconfdir=
13:36 < CIA-18> valentin * r15402 /trunk/package/network/ipsec-tools/checkpointVPNquirk.patch: * added patch for borked checkpoint VPN - log but tolerate wrong statusbits sent back in authentification phase
13:41 < karasz> moin all
13:41 < mnemoc> moin karasz
13:41 < karasz> quik report 14 packs failed allready
13:43 < karasz> includin kdebase and such
13:43 < karasz> expecr, transfig just to name a few
13:43 < karasz> but i have to run now, so bbl with more info
13:43 < karasz> cu
13:45 < CIA-18> sebastian * r15403 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkglext/gtkglext.desc: * updated gtkglext (1.0.6 -> 1.2.0)
14:27 < owl> re
14:28 < mnemoc> wb owlita
14:28 < owl> thx mnemoc ;)
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16:28 < karasz> so re all
16:42 < LMJ> hello back dude
16:42 < karasz> karasz=dude?
16:43 < mnemoc> outch
16:43 < karasz> LMJ: ?
16:43 < LMJ> yep karasz
16:43 < mnemoc> dude=friend
16:43 < LMJ> any problem ?
16:44 < karasz> no problem at all
16:44 < karasz> just it was the first time that anyone called me dude.
16:44 < karasz> so bonsoir LMJ :)
16:44 < LMJ> bonsoir karasz ;)
16:45 < LMJ> dude, mate, buddy, ;)
16:45 < karasz> mnemoc: re and thx for translation
16:45 < karasz> btw mnemoc
16:45 < karasz> number of failed packs grows... :(
16:45 < karasz> right now i am around 25
16:45 < mnemoc> treE? arch? target?
16:46 < karasz> desktop HEAD trunk x86-64 opt em64t
16:46 < karasz> funiest of them all is kdebase
16:46 < karasz> failed because cannot find bdftopcf command ?!?
16:47 < karasz> which it is not enabled to build... i guess.
16:47 < mnemoc> probably
16:47 < sepp> that is in package bdftopcf :)
16:49 < karasz> hmmm, qtparted still looks for qt libs in `/opt/qt33/lib`
16:49 < karasz> instead of `/opt/qt33/lib64` i mean
16:50 < karasz> but by the way thing are lookin' i guess we won't have a regression till monday :(
16:54 < karasz> :( why?, kdebase did not found sambaclient lib....
16:56 < karasz> samba installed libs in `lib` not `lib64` :(
16:56 < mnemoc> so fix samba :)
16:56 < karasz> yeah
16:56 < karasz> thinkin of it...
17:23 < karasz> my, oh my, bad configure, bad :)
17:23 < karasz> explicit /lib in samba's configure....
17:23 < mnemoc> as usual
17:23 < karasz> yup :)
17:23 < karasz> but
17:24 < karasz> not as usual, samba takes --libdir= on configure
17:24 < karasz> so there is hope
17:25 < karasz> that some day we won't polute our planet and we will make propper ./configure scripts.
17:25 < mnemoc> --libdir=$libdir is not therE?
17:30 < karasz> nope
17:30 < karasz> in our conf we do not touch --libdir.
17:30 < karasz> we thouch a whole lot of other options but not --libdir
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17:31 < misl> hi folks
17:31 < karasz> hi Minto
17:32 < karasz> :) stage [6]
17:37 < karasz> :) stage [7]
17:37 < karasz> ? only gettext on stage [6] ?
17:39 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200-70-160-129.mrse.com.ar] has joined #t2
17:40 < keinek> hi guys
17:40 < mnemoc> karasz: to build mono bindings
17:40 < keinek> now i will sent update for scummvm, xmame, and a little fix to swftools
17:40 < keinek> :)
17:41 < keinek> hi mnemoc.
17:41 < keinek> everything ok in the cyclevia?
17:41 < mnemoc> wb keinek
17:45 < karasz> hello keinek
17:45 < keinek> hi karasz
17:45 < keinek> :)
17:50 < karasz> O_o
17:50 < karasz> build finished ????
17:50 < karasz> hmm the usual fget error at the end...
17:51 < mnemoc> ?
17:51 < karasz> mnemoc: that means that i should enable fget in the config?
17:51 < karasz> iirc that was the solution...
17:53 < karasz> -> Creating output image ...
17:53 < karasz> cp: cannot stat `/usr/src/t2-trunk/build/desktop-2.2.0-alpha-x86-64-em64t-desktop/usr/bin/fget': No such file or directory
17:55 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/regressions/head_dsk/regressions.html
17:55 < karasz> ^^ does not look so bad
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18:04 < karasz> moin Baldzius
18:04 < Baldzius> hi karasz :)
18:12 < CIA-18> amery * r15404 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtklp/ (. gtklp.desc): * added gtklp (1.1.0) - a graphical Frontend to CUPS
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18:17 < rxr_> re
18:17 < Baldzius> wb rxr
18:18 < rxr_> hi Baldzius
18:18 -!- You're now known as rxr
18:18 < mnemoc> wb rxr_
18:18 < rxr> what was to be missed in the afternoon ?
18:19 < mnemoc> i guess nothing
18:19 < rxr> :_(
18:20 < rxr> mnemoc: do you want to respond the t2 list's security and such mail ?
18:20 < mnemoc> if you can, please do so :\
18:23 < rxr> K3b 0.12.11
18:24 < valentin> re
18:26 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEEEE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
18:26 < morfoh> re hi
18:27 < karasz> hello kommrad
18:28 < karasz> valentin
18:36 < valentin> hi karasz, morfoh
18:56 < karasz> mnemoc: around?
18:57 < mnemoc> depends
18:57 < karasz> :)
18:57 < karasz> if you have time can you take a look at http://karasz.pastebin.ca/41165
18:57 < karasz> just to see if it any bull* in it
18:58 < karasz> i tried to slim down the regression to be more short and understandeble
19:05 < karasz> ugly, ugly, bad Makefile, bad `LIBS = -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXtst`
19:06 < karasz> so i guess most of what i pasted in pastebin can be resolved even by me, on monday
19:06 < karasz> some of the errors though are harder to track
19:07 < rxr> jsaw: awake ?
19:08 < mnemoc> karasz: looks good
19:08 < karasz> pastebin?
19:09 < karasz> do not be too confident mnemoc on pastebin i only have errors i could understand and track down
19:09 < karasz> but in general, yes, it looks quite good
19:09 < karasz> only 30 failed on desktop.
19:10 < karasz> so I guess we are aproachin a stable 2.2 with great styeps :)
19:12 < mnemoc> ack
19:14 < rxr> yeah - I stopped commiting ,-) the way to get trunk stablelized
19:17 < mnemoc> hehe
19:36 < rxr> at least a mail on dietlibc ...
19:36 < rxr> mnemoc: are you on it ?
19:36 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. how is work ?
19:37 < mnemoc> heavily against schedule
19:37 < mnemoc> rxr: dietlibc ml? yes
19:38 < rxr> yeah - nice reply to my patch
19:38 < rxr> actually uncovered two bugs in my patch
19:38 < rxr> but leaving out that the original one was broken aynway
19:43 < karasz> samba patch sent to ML
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19:44 < rxr> so - dinner
19:44 < rxr> cu
19:44 < karasz> cu
19:45 < mnemoc> cu rxr
19:45 < karasz> mnemoc: samba patch sent to ML
19:45 < karasz> i am not that lazy, you know ;)
19:48 < mnemoc> i know :)
19:48 < karasz> tested and it builds ok.
19:48 < karasz> but now i really have to run, sorry
19:49 < karasz> i'll fix what I can on monday
19:49 < karasz> untill then there is the regression :)
19:52 < CIA-18> amery * r15405 /trunk/package/network/samba/fix_2686.patch: * removed fix_2686.patch from samba, fixed upstrem on a different way
19:57 < karasz> so cu on moday guys
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20:00 < mnemoc> cu karasz
20:05 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp
20:15 < CIA-18> amery * r15406 /branches/2.1-test/package/network/samba/ (7 files):
20:15 < CIA-18> * merged 15169,15405 from trunk: updated samba (3.0.21a -> 3.0.21b), and copyright notes updated
20:15 < CIA-18> * merged 15278 from trunk: fixed samba to make a valid csh 'smbadduser' script
20:19 < CIA-18> amery * r15407 /branches/2.1-test/package/www/mozilla/mozilla.desc: * merged 12068 from trunk: updated mozilla (1.7.11 -> 1.7.12)
20:19 < CIA-18> rene * r15408 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/ (clearenv.patch putenv.patch):
20:19 < CIA-18> * fixed my putenv patch and clearenv implementation for dietlibc as
20:19 < CIA-18> noted on the dietlibc list, clearenv must check if it is the original
20:19 < CIA-18> usually stack based pointer and clearenv did not preserve the first
20:19 < CIA-18> variable added due to overlooking this stack based orig environment
20:19 < CIA-18> implementation datail, also readded the microoptimzation for comparing
20:19 < CIA-18> the key to keep the patch smaller and the upstream people pleased
20:21 < rxr> more msg. than diff ,-)
20:21 < mnemoc> :)
20:38 < mnemoc> rxr: putenv looks sexier now
20:47 < rxr> more playmates hidden in ASCI art now ?
20:50 < mnemoc> :)
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20:50 < rxr> so - me starting jpeg2000 write support for exact-image currently in rapid protyping mode ...
20:50 < rxr> but maybe I leave into bed before it is finsihed ...
20:54 < rxr> cool - jasper can at least transform the colorspace alone
20:55 < rxr> thus I can remove a bunch of ugly code I protyped together for unimportant colorspaces -> sRGB conversion that do not work perfect yet from the jpeg2000 read method ...
20:57 < rxr> jasper is by no means a handy jp2 library
20:57 < rxr> it includes a infrastructure for for any format including pnm, bmp jpeg, jpeg2000 handling and so on
20:57 < rxr> I think I evaluate the other jp2 libs if they are more up-to-the-point and nicer to use ...
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21:24 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15409 /trunk/package/develop/lua/ (build.patch lua-config lua.conf):
21:24 < CIA-18> * fix lua-config
21:24 < CIA-18> * fix [[ $libdir != */lib ]]
21:27 < rxr> n8 all
21:27 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
21:33 < morfoh> gn8 rxr
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21:45 < ojh> Hi. Is NDISwrapper in the ISO of 2.1.1 or will I have to recompile the kernel after installing?
21:58 < ojh> Correction: I don't need NDIS for this card :-D But is the rt2x00 driver package part of the default build?
21:58 < jsaw> re
21:59 < jsaw> ojh: I donÃ't know about 2.1, but in 2.2 it is
21:59 < jsaw> ojh: in doubt, you have to check the package...
21:59 < ojh> Hi jsaw.
21:59 < ojh> THX
21:59 < jsaw> hi ojh :)
22:01 < jsaw> how are you doin, omer?
22:02 < ojh> I am pleseased that I located a wireless card that (should) work with an open sourse driver. The Belkin F5D7010 was the least expensive wireless card at a local office supply store so I decided to try it.
22:02 < ojh> I am fine . . . hay, you used my first name :)
22:03 < jsaw> saw it on your join, and remember that you once told about something why you are called omer..
22:04 < jsaw> oh, I think mnemoc asked you what the j means, or_
22:04 < jsaw> ?
22:04 < ojh> I already had the wireless ability in my teleco's DSL . . . so I figured its time to stop with the CAT5 to the laptop :)
22:04 < jsaw> yeah...
22:04 < jsaw> I bought some no-name rt2700 a while ago.
22:05 < ojh> Omer is my first name, I am named after my grandfathers Omer James :)
22:05 < jsaw> eh, I mean rt2570
22:05 < jsaw> ojh: ah, right
22:06 < jsaw> ojh: ppl call me "GeorgeÄ" (it used to be because "Juergen" has the same meaning as "George", now it's because of Ä"George of the jungle")
22:07 < jsaw> .oO(hmm, should switch of luit)
22:07 < sepp> jsaw: they try to make a single driver for rt2?00 right now
22:08 < jsaw> hi sepp
22:08 < sepp> hi jsaw ;)
22:08 < jsaw> sepp: heard about it, but what's the status?
22:08 < jsaw> sepp: Ö;)
22:08 < jsaw> gah
22:08 < jsaw> sepp: ;)
22:08 < sepp> i have not tested the new driver - the old one is really crap
22:08 < sepp> i even used my 6 year old orinoco card :/
22:09 < jsaw> rt2570 works well for me (side note, the XP driver doesn't work)
22:09 < sepp> ohh
22:09 < ojh> jsaw: LOL - My parents always called me OJ - but I kinda stopped that beacuse OJ Hickman sounds almost like OJ Simpson. LOL. Of course I am white to the point of almost looking albino. LOL.
22:09 < jsaw> I think XP can't handle a USB2.0 device on a USB1.1 port... or at least that driver
22:10 < jsaw> ojh: lol
22:10 < jsaw> albojho
22:10 < ojh> LOL
22:10 < sepp> jsaw: if you ever try the new single rt* driver and it works - tell me ;)
22:11 < jsaw> could take some time, I'm not using the laptop at home that often anymore
22:11 < sepp> i had not much fun with rt2500 and the old driver
22:12 < jsaw> maybe it's time to update on trunk...
22:13 < jsaw> hey, trunk seems to stabilze:
22:13 < jsaw> 2062 builds total, 1131 completed fine, 2 with errors.
22:13 < jsaw> (Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-64-athlon64-generic)
22:13 < sepp> :)
22:13 < ojh> Not too bad :)
22:14 < jsaw> yeah
22:14 < jsaw> jhead and seamonkey failed so far
22:14 < sepp> someone here tested doodle?
22:14 < jsaw> sepp: better ask my daughter
22:14 < jsaw> or is it a t2 package?
22:14 < sepp> hehehe
22:15 < sepp> not so far
22:15 < ojh> "doodle" the indexer used in some very obscuer file managers and music players?
22:15 < sepp> its like beagle but without mono
22:15 < jsaw> ah
22:15 < sepp> obscure like the e17 file manager ;)
22:16 < jsaw> obscure...
22:16 < ojh> Yes, its used in Evedence and WXmusic
22:17 < ojh> I evaluated for indexing functions in ZDE but it is too limited. Then I discivered that a complete port of Lucene has been done to pure C++.
22:18 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15410 /trunk/package/lua/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
22:18 < CIA-18> * add pcre and posix-regex lua module
22:18 < CIA-18> (both based on lrexlib-1.19)
22:18 < ojh> So, Beagle could be re-writen with out needing a CLR just fine :)
22:19 * jsaw doesn't understand the byte-code hype
22:21 < ojh> C-Lucene has been used in some impressive ways in Flock (an expermental FF based web browser) and SWORD (to index Bible and other religous texs). C-Lucene is an impressive piece of code.
22:21 < jsaw> ojh knows sword?
22:23 < ojh> And C-Lucene will be the engine of the Scout module of ZDE. Well, when I get back to the Scout sub project . . .
22:23 < jsaw> eh,
22:23 < jsaw> what's ZDE and FF?
22:23 < sepp> clucene.sf.net ?
22:24 < ojh> ZDE (Zirconium Desktop Environment - my pe project) and FF = Firegox.
22:25 < ojh> pet project
22:25 < jsaw> url?
22:26 < ojh> http://zirconium.xisystems.net/
22:28 < jsaw> ojh: have a look at the last paragraph
22:28 < jsaw> ojh: "our goals and methods very greatly."
22:28 < jsaw> ?????
22:32 < jsaw> what's Xi Systems?
22:33 < ojh> I think you need to follow the Symphony project to see the diferences. Symphony focuses mostly on the newbe aspect of usability - I intend a system that is inherently elegant and eficient. For example the philosophy on screen usage - Symphony has nothing against 2 large swaths of the screen being unused so that its corner targets remain visable. I want to allocate ALL avilable screen spact to what the user is ACTUALY DOING. Symphony wants to do EVERYTHING in XHTML -
22:34 < jsaw> nono, I meant the sentence
22:34 < jsaw> there's something missing, or?
22:35 < ojh> Grammer. My bad.
22:35 < jsaw> like "resemble"
22:36 < ojh> Needs editing, project site needs a complete rewrite soon anyway . . .
22:36 < jsaw> honestly, I'm tired (helping my parents-in-law renovating)
22:36 < jsaw> so,....
22:37 < jsaw> ... I'll try to find some place to sleep on the construction site ;)
22:37 < mnemoc> ojh: you could send patches to add your projects to t2
22:37 < ojh> Have fun. :) Nothing like home improvement projects
22:37 < jsaw> :)
22:38 < jsaw> hi and bye mnemoc
22:38 < sepp> jsaw: sleep well on some boxes :)
22:38 < mnemoc> bye jsaw
22:38 < jsaw> sepp: hehe
22:38 < jsaw> gn8, cu all
22:39 < jsaw> P.S.P.B.ÖC (pre-sleep, post bye comment): yes, ojh, add your project to t2
22:40 < ojh> Yes, I intend to. Once ZDE is resonably complete (I still need to write startup and session manager - currently starting a raw X session and starting by hand from xterm) I will add to T2 - in fact I want to create a demonstration ISO based on T2Live to showcase ZDE.
22:43 < mnemoc> alpha packages are also wellcome
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23:17 < ojh> I am having problems with CDrecord, it will not recognize my DVD/RW as such. :-/
23:18 < mnemoc> use dev=/dev/.....
23:18 < ojh> OK
23:18 < ojh> That worked :)
23:18 < sepp> good night *
23:19 < ojh> Good night sepp :)
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