--- Log opened Tue Jan 31 00:00:57 2006
00:03 < mnemoc> *yawn*
01:15 < karasz> mnemoc: you around?
01:15 < mnemoc> kind of
01:15 < karasz> as in?
01:16 < karasz> tired, not in the mood, ill, or?
01:18 < karasz> i am tryin to find out if i should tell you that qmail-scanner failed or should I leave it for tomorow...
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01:19 < mnemoc> qmail-scanner is a big pain to setup
01:19 < karasz> to build too?
01:19 < mnemoc> sort of
01:19 < karasz> the error is rather strange
01:19 < karasz> it complains abt not finding some files
01:20 < karasz> `cp: cannot stat `qmail-scanner-queue.pl': No such file o ..`
01:20 < mnemoc> qs tries to see if the world is properly set and addapt itself to that world
01:20 < karasz> buildin mnemosyne target on 2.1 stable
01:20 < mnemoc> publish the whole log with XTRACE please
01:21 < karasz> hmmm... that is not easy
01:21 < karasz> my upload on x5.ro is in flash, which i do not have on x86-64
01:21 < mnemoc> pastebin.ca accept file uloads
01:21 < karasz> i' try that
01:25 < karasz> http://pastebin.ca/39188
01:26 < mnemoc> Cannot find evidence of QMAILQUEUE patch in /opt/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd!
01:27 < mnemoc> grep QMAIL config/foo/config
01:27 < karasz> grep QMAIL config/memo/config
01:27 < karasz> export SDECFG_PKG_QMAIL_LDAP='0'
01:27 < karasz> export SDECFG_PKG_QMAIL_QUEUE='0'
01:27 < karasz> export SDECFGSET_PKG_QMAIL_QMTP='0'
01:27 < karasz> export SDECFGSET_PKG_QMAIL_HOLD='0'
01:27 < mnemoc> grep MTRA config/memo/config
01:27 < mnemoc> MTA
01:28 < karasz> grep MTA config/memo/config
01:28 < karasz> export SDECFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_MTA='vmailmgr'
01:28 < karasz> export SDECFG_DEFAULT_MTA='qmail'
01:29 < mnemoc> Config -> Expert -> qmail -> QMAILQUEUE
01:30 < mnemoc> minute
01:30 < karasz> apply QMAILQUEE patch?
01:31 < mnemoc> yes, but i'll automatize that
01:31 < mnemoc> minute
01:34 < mnemoc> karasz: svn up target/mnemosyne   and reschedule qmail and qmail-scanner
01:34 < karasz> oki
01:39 < karasz> begun rebuild
01:39 < karasz> tomorow i wil build a bootdisk target
01:39 < karasz> but now i must go or i'll become a dead homeless ;)
01:40 < karasz> so cu guys tomorow
01:40 < karasz> bye
01:42 < mnemoc> gn8 karasz 
01:49 < CIA-7> amery * r15152 /trunk/package/mail/qmail/config.in: * fixed typos on var names at qmail/config.in
02:09 < CIA-7> amery * r15153 /branches/2.1-test/package/mail/qmail/config.in: * merged 15152 from trunk: fixed typos on var names at qmail/config.in
02:17 < mnemoc> morfoh: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg azazel
02:17 < mnemoc> Error logs from azazel-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-azazel:
02:17 < mnemoc> 293 builds total, 136 completed fine, 0 with errors.
02:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: :)
02:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: let's see if it will run too :)
02:19 < mnemoc> i doubt
02:19 < mnemoc> i haven't added the splits of xorg
02:20 < mnemoc> but at least i know a mnemosyne server can build
02:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm lucky if you get into a shell ;)
02:20 < mnemoc> we will see
02:20 < mnemoc> i'm only messing on 2.2 to see if 2.6.15 detects the webcam :p
02:21 < morfoh> perhaps initrd is still a point
02:21 < morfoh> :D
02:25 < morfoh> btw, my ref 2.1-test still running :p
02:26 < mnemoc> great
02:27 < morfoh> but I had to cleanup my disk ... wiped out TB of ref builds ;)
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02:45 < mnemoc> 293 builds total, 163 completed fine, 0 with errors.
02:47 < mnemoc> == 01/30/06 23:47:13 =[5]=> Aborted building package bitstream-vera-fonts.
02:47 < mnemoc> :(
02:47 < owl> hi mnemoc 
02:49 < mnemoc> hi owl 
02:49 < owl> how are you? 
02:49 < owl> you#re firing :( smilieds... 
02:50 < mnemoc> uhm?
02:50 < owl> 03:48 :)
02:51 < mnemoc> :)
02:51 < owl> *confused*
02:52 < mnemoc> why?
02:52 < owl> don't mind :)
02:58 < mnemoc> now i am the confused
02:59 < owl> `*ggg*
02:59 < owl> sorry :)
02:59 < owl> guess i really soudl tryy to soöe?
02:59 < owl> try to sleee
02:59 < owl> p#
02:59 < owl> i give uü
02:59 < owl> p
02:59 < owl> sigh. gn8
03:03 < mnemoc> *G*
03:03 < mnemoc> gn8 owlita ,-)
03:04 < owl> gn8 mnemoc 
03:05 < mnemoc> :)
03:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: i'll commit the whole xorg/* to X=minimal, but the idea is to move as much as possible to X=basic, and probably X=large
03:16 < mnemoc> 558 builds total, 200 completed fine, 0 with errors.
03:17 < mnemoc> 265 new builds due to modular X on azazel
03:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: I can imagine, I've tested that before locally, xorg stuff was build quite fine
03:34 < mnemoc> Error logs from azazel-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-azazel:
03:34 < mnemoc> 558 builds total, 219 completed fine, 0 with errors.
03:34 < mnemoc> but the real challange is to get it booting and running
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06:04 < rxr> re
06:37 < misl> morning all
06:55 < rxr> moin misl 
06:56 < misl> hi rxr
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07:04  * misl off to work, cu
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08:04  * rxr packaging 25 perl packages ... (for a famour commercial target) ...
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08:42 < valentin> 09:42 < valentin> http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.5
08:42 < valentin> 09:42 < valentin> vine vs. winXP
08:42 < valentin> 09:42 < valentin> wine even :)
08:42 < valentin> wb rxr
08:51 < rxr> hi valentin 
08:51 < rxr> read it already on slashdot
08:51 < rxr> but thanks
08:52 < rxr> wine has been faster in some areas since years alread
08:52  * rxr busy packaging 20+ perl modules for t2
09:29 < rxr> Math::Calc::Euro 
09:29 < rxr> convert between EUR and the old currencies 
09:30 < rxr> ^- there are really perl modules for the worst piece of unneeded crap ..
09:34 < rxr> cool - first pass done
09:34 < rxr> reopening for finalizing
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09:47 < rxr> so - finished /me testbuildign 24 perl packages (or so)
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10:08 < CIA-7> rene * r15155 /trunk/package/perl/ (73 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
10:08 < CIA-7> * added perl-gd-graph3d (0.63) - Perl module GD-Graph3d
10:08 < CIA-7> * added perl-error (0.15) - Perl module Error
10:08 < CIA-7> * added perl-template-toolkit (2.14) - Perl module Template-Toolkit
10:08 < CIA-7> * added perl-text-autoformat (1.13) - Perl module Text-Autoformat
10:08 < CIA-7> * added perl-image-info (1.17) - Perl module Image-Info
10:08 < CIA-7> * added perl-pod-pom (0.17) - Perl module Pod-POM
10:08 < rxr> # l */*/*.desc | wc -l
10:08 < rxr> 2226
10:11 < CIA-7> rene * r15156 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: * added the newly added 24 perl packages to the archivista target
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10:17 < Baldzius> moin
10:19 < rxr> moin Baldzius 
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10:20 < CIA-7> rene * r15157 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (update-restore.sh update-store.sh): 
10:20 < CIA-7> * fixed archivisat update store/restore to also copy the rsync ssh key
10:20 < CIA-7>  and changed the ssl key location to not produce a name classh in the
10:20 < CIA-7>  future that easily
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10:39 < CIA-7> rene * r15158 /trunk/package/perl/perl-latexml/ (perl-latexml.cache perl-latexml.conf): * fixed perl-latexml to build and instal properly and updated it's .cache
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10:54 < rxr> > I formally request that Joerg Schilling be banned from the LKML until he
10:54 < rxr> > learns how to take bugs in his program seriously. cdrecord has bugs, people
10:54 < rxr> > hit them, and he won't either fix the bugs, or hand maintainership over to
10:54 < rxr> > someone who wants to fix them.
10:54 < rxr> Why bother? You can always do what I do, ignore him. Cdrecord bugs
10:54 < rxr> don't matter because distributors are smart enough to apply the
10:54 < rxr> appropiate patches. The Linux bugs Joerg has mentioned don't seem to
10:54 < rxr> matter to anyone except Joerg himself. You can always help the libburn
10:54 < rxr> people or fork cdrecord if you don't like it. Please respect the fact
10:54 < rxr> that Joerg has a different view of things. Even though it doesn't seem
10:54 < rxr> to be connected to the world the rest of us know, he is entitled to
10:54 < rxr> it. Perhaps now is a good time to let this thread die? Pretty please?
10:57 < jsaw> :)
10:59 < rxr> moin jsaw 
11:02 < karasz> moin rxr, jsaw, SerWou, valentin 
11:03 < rxr> moin karasz 
11:08 < jsaw> hi all
11:16 < rxr> me off to the post and lunch - cu all then
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11:44 < valentin> hm, i fear the HD of our server will not survive long...
11:45 < valentin> maybe i should take it down soon and exchange it
11:55 < jsaw> bbl
12:15 < rxr> +re
12:15 < rxr> valentin: bad sounds ?
12:30 < valentin> rxr: sometimes i hear noises like a buzz saw from inside the box
12:31 < valentin> maybe it is a cooler, but from experience i belive it is this IBM storage device
12:31 < valentin> however, it is silent again
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13:08 < rxr> no ide stuff in the syslog yet
13:15 < mnemoc> moin
13:17 < mnemoc> is this, on 5-xorg-server, known? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/WQKJcj18.html
13:17 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
13:17 < mnemoc> moin rxr 
13:18 < rxr> mnemoc: no mesa enabled ?
13:18 < mnemoc> thanks
13:19 < mnemoc> i'm porting mnemosyne to 2.2.... and i only added xorg/* stuff
13:19 < rxr> mnemoc: you can leave out most of xorg ...
13:19 < rxr> but guess that will be a 2nd fine-tuning step ... ,-)
13:19 < rxr> I hope you love the granularity of modular x ;-)
13:20 < mnemoc> first i want it built and running :) then i'll ponder what every xorg/* does :p 
13:21 < karasz> re
13:21 < karasz> moin mnemoc 
13:21 < mnemoc> moin karasz 
13:21 < karasz> mnemosyne built flawlesly
13:21 < karasz> now i buid a boot target and try to burn the cd
13:22 < karasz> err..
13:22 < mnemoc> ?
13:22 < karasz> mnemosyne needs biitdisk target, doesn't it?
13:22 < karasz> even bootdisk target
13:23 < rxr> mnemoc: xedit is the best editor, xmh your favourite mail client, xclock - well, xman the best manual viewer and xeyes a nice toy ,-)
13:23 < mnemoc> :)
13:23 < mnemoc> karasz: every target on t2 2.1 tree needs a bootdisk
13:23 < rxr> not to forget twm - the eye candy window manager and xlock, making your login attractive ,-)
13:24 < mnemoc> hehe
13:24 < karasz> i thought so
13:24 < mnemoc> karasz: are you using 2.1-stable or 2.1-test?
13:24 < karasz> stable i guess
13:24 < karasz> when buitd it say stable
13:25 < mnemoc> ok
13:25 < karasz> i.e. == 13:25:03 =[1]=> Building base/binutils [2.15.94.0.2.2 2.1-stable].
13:25 < karasz> but i wonder abt mnemosyne
13:25 < mnemoc> why?
13:25 < mnemoc> err
13:25 < karasz> when i did the svn , with morfoh's help
13:26 < mnemoc> mnemosyne is only one
13:26 < karasz> somewhere i saw the word trunk
13:26 < mnemoc> mnemosyne's trunk
13:26 < karasz> yep
13:26 < karasz> is that ok?
13:26 < mnemoc> yes
13:26 < karasz> good
13:27 < mnemoc> # svn pget svn:externals t2-2.1/target/
13:27 < mnemoc> mnemosyne http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk
13:27 < mnemoc> sheba http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/sheba/trunk
13:27 < mnemoc> sedu http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/sedu/trunk
13:27 < mnemoc> lamassu http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/lamassu/trunk
13:28 < mnemoc> menrva http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/menrva/trunk
13:28 < mnemoc> azazel http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/azazel/trunk
13:29 < rxr> you hide your precious source! /me points to mnemoc 
13:29 < mnemoc> rxr: X -----5---- 112.446 xorg xorg-server 1.0.1 / base/x11 0
13:29 < mnemoc> X -----5---- 112.467 x11 mesa 6.4.1 / base/x11 NOPARALLEL 0
13:29 < rxr> mnemoc: that is find
13:29 < karasz> hmm... and what is the diference between them?
13:29 < mnemoc> rxr: :p
13:29 < rxr> mesa extends xorg and builds other stuff thereafter
13:30 < mnemoc> rxr: but xorg-server fails due to mesa as you told me
13:30 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, mesa unpacks its source into the x server tree - x needs the source to builds its internal GL support
13:30 < mnemoc> karasz: they extend mnemosyne (using target inherence) for different tasks
13:30 < mnemoc> rxr: ah, oko
13:30 < mnemoc> ok
13:30 < rxr> and mesa provides the user-space libGL and friends later on - iIRC
13:32 < mnemoc> karasz: azazel is a desktop, menrva an ldap-{samba,qmail,...} server, lamassu a proxy, sedu a frontier router, and sheba a vserver host
13:32 < rxr> sheba sounds like cat food ,-)
13:32 < mnemoc> :p
13:32 < karasz> azazel -> descktop?
13:32 < mnemoc> xfce based
13:33 < karasz> ahum
13:33 < karasz> i should have thought that ;P
13:33 < mnemoc> but everything is extending mnemosyne
13:33 < mnemoc> just simpler Config
13:33 < mnemoc> an a few packages in azazel's case
13:34 < karasz> i liked mnemosynes config :)
13:34 < karasz> it was more simpler than addin config stuff by hand
13:34 < karasz> for a beginer like me, i mean...
13:34 < mnemoc> modules are pkgsel blocks, with rules to handle them as a graph
13:35 < mnemoc> karasz: feel free to tune or add extra modules or categories to it
13:36 < mnemoc> on azazel gdm has a nice rat instead of a foot :p
13:37 < mnemoc> i was about to use a drawing of a daemon, but that can be shocking for some people
13:37 < mnemoc> so i used xfce's rat
13:38 < morfoh> hi mnemoc ... old rat master :)
13:39 < morfoh> hi karasz rxr :)
13:39 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
13:40 < karasz> hehe, kommrad morfoh `????? ??????????`
13:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: how is your azazel (what a word :p ) on 2.2 ?
13:41 < mnemoc> morfoh: it stoped at xorg-server because mesa wasn't enabled
13:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: ah! yes ... I had to enable it too ... sorry I forgot to tell you
13:42 < morfoh> but I guess I was sending you my pkgsel one time
13:42 < mnemoc> morfoh: you have write access, use it
13:43 < mnemoc> morfoh: if the package  is only needed on 2.2 but not present at 2.1, add it to pkgsel block, if it was present at 2.1 use pkgenable at .conf
13:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: okok ... ack ... already inspected some examples at mnemosyne's pkgsel ;)
13:47 < mnemoc> morfoh: it's not the most elegant solution in the world, but works
13:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: for an elegant solution i need to implement pattern matching at module dependencies engine
13:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: nah ... who needs elegance :p
13:49 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have something in mind for hosting t2-powered initially?
13:49 < mnemoc> morfoh: i need :(
13:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: after playing around with plone 2.1 and Co. I'd offer you to build up a first version of t2-powered.net portal
13:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: why didn't we use i.e. this Software/Helpcenter product, where you can manage docs, faqs, blah blah and providing releases.
13:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: do a proposal
13:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: btw, your font still too small for old-mnemoc
13:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: what size are you using?
13:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... I can install an instance for testing t2-powered ... that's my proposal
13:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: i mean with layout, colors and the needed products :)
13:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: that was what I meant too :p
13:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: 2 or 3 columns default view ?
14:00 < morfoh> or sth. esotheric ? :)
14:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: just like t2-project, but font-size: 9pt; pleeeeeease
14:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok
14:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: each t2-powered project can have it's own page, in my case a trac
14:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: is that box a vserver?
14:02 < morfoh> yes ... why ?
14:02 < mnemoc> just curious
14:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: will the "own page" reside on t2-powered.net ? or is it external ?
14:03 < mnemoc> morfoh: 8pt is fine
14:03 < mnemoc> morfoh: some day, if we have resources, foo.t2-powered.net
14:04 < mnemoc> morfoh: i changed your font: 69% "Lucida Grande", Verdana, Lucida, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;   locally to 8pt and it looks very confortable
14:05  * mnemoc loves firefox's 'web developer toolbar'
14:05 < morfoh> ok ... but why is that plone default that small anyway ?
14:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: 69% of whatever you have set as default
14:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: hehe :)
14:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: my default is small, 69% of that is unreadable
14:11 < morfoh> wtf ... this connection drives me crazy
14:14 < rxr> mnemoc: t2-powered what mind ?
14:18 < mnemoc> rxr: web space to promote t2-powered projects
14:19 < rxr> if I have it?
14:19 < rxr> yes, sure
14:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: does the fontsize suite better now ?
14:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: much better
14:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: hey manager, when will be able to login and add/fix content?
14:21 < mnemoc> we+
14:21 < morfoh> rxr: btw, what do you think about the layout proposal ? -> http://t2.ixplanet.de/t2/
14:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, I changed "fontBaseSize:string=69%" -> "fontBaseSize:string=8pt" in baseproperties 
14:23 < mnemoc> morfoh: i noticed :)
14:24 < mnemoc> what about merging 'contact' into 'support' ?
14:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: but dunno if that will cause some side effects on the layout 
14:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: no problem
14:26 < rxr> there is still design work left to make this plone look attractive ... :-
14:27 < karasz> mnemoc: yh?
14:27 < mnemoc> karasz: ?
14:28 < karasz> i have some troubles with usb on 21 stable
14:28 < mnemoc> rxr: define 'some troubles'
14:28 < mnemoc> err
14:28 < karasz> seems i cannot setup usb devices to automount
14:29 < karasz> the main problem is .i guess. that i have no clue on how to do that
14:29 < karasz> all linuxes that i used did that automaticaly or they did not do it at all
14:30 < karasz> so, what i am tryin to do is to use my stick and my cam on usb
14:30 < mnemoc> autofs?
14:30 < karasz> yes
14:31 < karasz> now i am lookin at lsmod...
14:31 < mnemoc> autofs is built-in
14:31 < karasz> and i do not see any usb related modules O_o
14:31 < mnemoc> grep autofs /proc/filesystems
14:31 < mnemoc> dmesg :)
14:31 < karasz> root@karasz:~# grep autofs /proc/filesystems
14:31 < karasz> nodev   autofs
14:32 < karasz> from dmesg
14:32 < karasz> usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
14:32 < karasz> usbcore: registered new driver hub
14:33 < karasz> hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
14:33 < karasz> hub 1-0:1.0: 4 ports detected
14:33 < karasz> ohci_hcd: 2004 Nov 08 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI)
14:33 < karasz> USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2
14:34 < karasz> usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
14:34 < karasz> usb 1-4: USB disconnect, address 2
14:34 < karasz> usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
14:34 < karasz> END
14:34 < mnemoc> rxr: X -----5---- 112.600 xorg fdclock 2006-01-26 / base/x11 0
14:34 < mnemoc> X -----5---- 127.030 x11 cairo 1.0.2 / extra/x11 0
14:35 < mnemoc> but fdclock claims to need cairo... can i just repriorize or i'm missing something else?
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14:35 < mnemoc> repriorized
14:36 < Baldzius> moin
14:36 < karasz> moin Baldzius 
14:36 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius 
14:36 < mnemoc> karasz: google :(
14:36 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc, karasz
14:38 < jsaw> morfoh: could you replace the logo on ixplanet until we have a real good one with for example this: http://www.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de/~jsaw/sky.jpg
14:38 < jsaw> morfoh: please
14:39 < rxr> mnemoc: ack - reprio
14:39 < rxr> mnemoc: I did not system built fdclock yet and might have missed a dep
14:40 < jsaw> morfoh: oh and btw, remove the favicon (also until we have the right logo)
14:40 < rxr> 56276KCrash: Application 'soffice.bin' crashing...
14:40 < rxr> X IO Error
14:40 < rxr> hope my spread did not loose a cell on recover - damned
14:43 < morfoh> jsaw: nice picture, I will add it as header background :)
14:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: what version of firefox do you use atm ?
14:49 < mnemoc> 1.0.7
14:50 < jsaw> morfoh: thanks 
14:50 < rxr> jsaw: I see you are a big lover of the current t2 logo ?
14:51 < jsaw> :)
14:51 < morfoh> .oO( oh! oh! )o :)
14:51 < CIA-7> amery * r15159 /trunk/package/xorg/fdclock/fdclock.desc: * repriorized fdclock after cairo
14:51 < mnemoc> jsaw: what happen with the friend of your wife who know to draw?
14:52 < mnemoc> morfoh: the logo needs some transparency now :)
14:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah :)
14:52 < morfoh> jsaw: sweat combination right now ;)
14:52 < jsaw> I still haven't got a completely working system... I hope it's already in my mailbox... (and I hope I have some time next week when grandparents are around to set it up...)
14:53 < mnemoc> jsaw: we hope
14:53 < jsaw> morfoh: do you have a white background behind the logo, or transparent (here it's white)
14:53 < morfoh> but now the "famous" green is hurting my eyes 
14:53 < morfoh> jsaw: background is white
14:58 < rxr> at least in 32bit emu OOO is no fun
14:59 < mnemoc> rxr: have you asked at #go-oo or #openoffice.org about your issues building ooo natively to 64bits?
15:01 < rxr> time is not the thing I have most ...
15:02 < jsaw> morfoh: much better :)
15:02 < rxr> wonderfu
15:02 < rxr> l
15:03 < morfoh> uhm? 
15:03 < rxr> at least calc seems to crash reproducely for format cells -> borders
15:03 < jsaw> morfoh: without white background behind "T2" is much better
15:04 < morfoh> jsaw: yeah ... but is still hurting a bit in my eyes :)
15:04 < jsaw> yeah (but I only said "much better" ;)
15:05 < morfoh> jsaw: I know I know Dr.J. ;)
15:05 < jsaw> morfoh: make a sun out of the logo (with T2 alpha 100%)
15:05 < jsaw> morfoh: :p
15:08 < karasz> re
15:09 < karasz> hello jsaw 
15:09 < jsaw> hi karasz 
15:09 < karasz> jsaw: can you look at http://karasz.pastebin.ca/39240
15:10 < morfoh> mnemoc: can you start your IExplorer to check if it handles transparent gifs ;)
15:11 < jsaw> karasz: what's with it?
15:11 < karasz> i am tryin to use my usb devices with no avail
15:11 < karasz> lsmod does not list anything related to usb
15:11 < karasz> root@karasz:~# rockscan usb -d
15:11 < karasz> /proc/bus/usb/001/001 0/0/203 Virtual Hub 9/0/0 Hub unknown unknown 9/0/1 - - - usbcore /etc/rockplug/scripts/usbcore
15:11 < karasz> /proc/bus/usb/002/001 0/0/203 Virtual Hub 9/0/0 Hub unknown unknown 9/0/0 - - - usbcore /etc/rockplug/scripts/usbcore
15:11 < karasz> /proc/bus/usb/003/001 0/0/203 Virtual Hub 9/0/0 Hub unknown unknown 9/0/0 - - - usbcore /etc/rockplug/scripts/usbcore
15:12 < jsaw> karasz: that's ok
15:12 < jsaw> karasz: but where's the usb device 
15:12 < jsaw> karasz: you want to use?
15:12 < mnemoc> morfoh: transparency is there, but there is a ~10px white margin over the background
15:12 < jsaw> karasz: seems not to be plugged
15:12 < karasz> plugged in th eusb port, or i do not understand your question...
15:13 < jsaw> karasz: what kind of device?
15:13 < karasz> /proc/bus/usb/001/004 a904/ee30/1 unknown unknown 255/255/255 unknown unknown unknown 255/255/255 - - - /etc/rockplug/scripts/usbfs.perm\ -g\ users\ -p\ 0664\ vendor
15:13 < karasz> it is a cam
15:13 < jsaw> karasz: you have to edit usb.handmap I'm afraid...
15:14 < karasz> hotplug or rockplug?
15:14 < karasz> mc
15:14 < karasz> sorry
15:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: thanks ... where is the margin exactly ? between which elements ? top, header, globalnav, ... ?
15:14 < jsaw> karasz: your cameras ids are not yet listed in any module, so either add a patch to the kernel.... or edit usb.handmap (rockplug). 
15:15 < jsaw> eh, I mean (rockplug if you use rockplug, but same applies to standard hotplug)
15:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: the 'sky' starts ~10px bellow the real begining of the page.... i can't give you more details using ie
15:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: thanks ... that was detailed :)
15:16 < jsaw> karasz: which module should be used?
15:24 < jsaw> karasz: ping
15:25 < mnemoc> :)
15:27 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/69045
15:27 < rxr> ^- the new sun boxes
15:30 < karasz> ah, hello
15:30 < karasz> i mean again
15:31 < karasz> jsaw: ?
15:31 < karasz> what do you mean by jsaw karasz: which module should be used?
15:32 < mnemoc> you know your camara, jsaw doesn't
15:33 < jsaw> karasz: if you had reacted earlier I could have help you now..., but sorry
15:33 < jsaw> I have to go now
15:33 < karasz> oki
15:33 < jsaw> cu later
15:33 < LMJ> moin moin moin
15:33 < karasz> my bad :)
15:33 < karasz> cu jsaw 
15:33 < karasz> hello SerWou
15:34 < LMJ> how are you karasz ?
15:34 < karasz> hmm... fine i guess, and you?
15:35 < LMJ> i'm ok ;)
15:37 < mnemoc> wtf? xsm _needs_ rsh??
15:37 < rxr> http://www.spreadkde.org/
15:43 < CIA-7> rene * r15160 /trunk/package/x11/rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode.desc: * updated rxvt-unicode (7.4 -> 7.5)
15:53 < mnemoc> checking for rsh... (cached) ssh <--- any objections? (xsm)
15:54 < rxr> no idea
15:54 < rxr> the new rxvt-unicode supports transprency in it's window comonents ...
15:54 < rxr> urxvt -depth 32 -bg rgba:0000/0000/0000/2222 -fg gray
15:57 < mnemoc> i'll do it target specific
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16:09 < rxr> urxvt -depth 32 -bg rgba:0000/0000/0000/CCCC -fg gray +sb -fn "xft:Terminus:pixelsize=16"
16:10 < rxr> this and a compositing X makes you jealous
16:11 < mnemoc> :)
16:12 < rxr> with EXA o this Turion it is even fun with the compositing is done in software ...
16:15 < morfoh> :)
16:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, what is your "azazel-experience" on 2.2 doing ?
16:19 < rxr> ------------------
16:19 < rxr>    213937 90.8198 libfb.so
16:19 < rxr>   samples|      %|
16:22 < morfoh> T2 writen with a "braille" font looks quite funny :)
16:23  * rxr wonders where I checked my publicatoins svn tree into right now
16:24 < rxr> http://www.x.org nas a new look
16:30 < rxr> ah - there
16:30 < rxr> too many root shells that must have been
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16:54 < misl> hi folks
16:55 < misl> 36 failures on reference build http://rafb.net/paste/results/ixoIKh23.html
17:03 < misl> mono --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/RHtO2A76.html
17:19  * misl wonders where the party is?
17:20 < mnemoc> rehi
17:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: 560 builds total, 459 completed fine, 1 with errors. trying to fix ghostscript now
17:21 < morfoh> hi rocket :)
17:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: thx ... and wb :)
17:21 < rxr> misl: party ?
17:21 < mnemoc> misl: iirc that is a libtool problem on boehm-gc, check config.log
17:23 < mnemoc> morfoh: /bin/sh: gtk-config: command not found <--- ghostscript
17:23 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/69066
17:23 < rxr> ^- news sources claim google plans goobuntu based on ubuntu ?
17:24 < rxr> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/31/google_goes_desktop_linux/
17:24 < rxr> "Google has confirmed it is working on a desktop linux project called Goobuntu, but declined to supply further details, including what the project is for."
17:28 < mnemoc> yet-another-customazation-of-the-customization-of-the-customization-of-debian
17:40 < morfoh> there was a note in the linux mag that debian has sth. like a "revival" on servers. netcraft has messured that debian based linux servers had the highest growth.
17:40 < morfoh> but who the f* is running a debian server ? :p
17:41 < misl> ahh, party is over :)
17:41 < morfoh> misl: what a party ? with yourself ? ;)
17:43 < misl> morfoh: no the party where all of you went :) It took a whopping 30 minutes before there was some life on this channel :D
17:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: what was the name of the firefox extension for CSS editing ?
17:45 < misl> morfoh: growth in percentage? from 1 to 2 is a 100% increase :)
17:46 < morfoh> misl: :)
17:55 < misl> mnemoc: config.log says:
17:55 < misl> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../../../lib64/libgc.so: undefined reference to `pthread_create'
18:28  * rxr dinner
18:31 -!- Bart- [n=bart@osiris.osk.enformatic.pl] has joined #t2
18:31 < Bart-> hi
18:31 < Bart-> smee again
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18:38 < Bart-> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Jd7cZU91.html <== could anyone explain me why this crap installs "mingetty.8" when I told it to install "mingetty.8.gz"?
18:48  * rxr restarting X with modified radeon_drv.so
18:48 < rxr> cu
18:48 < rxr> hopefully
18:55 < jsaw> short re
18:55 < jsaw> rxr: is there any reason we do not have the udev extras ?
18:57 < jsaw> rxr: (compare with 50-udev.rules, there's no "/lib/udev/check-cdrom.sh" file anywhere)
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19:00 < jsaw> rxr: ata_id, usb_id, scsi_id, path_id,vol_id, edd_id are all used in the rules...
19:10 < rxr> jsaw: this junk does not compile and I do not like it
19:10 < jsaw> then the rules have to be fixed
19:10 < rxr> jsaw: the rules are not polished
19:10 < jsaw> but, bbl
19:10 < rxr> jsaw: ack
19:11 < jsaw> (back when Marlene is in bed)
19:11 < rxr> the udev people annoyed my changing their code base and rule format on and on
19:11 < rxr> I wanted to let them settle down
19:11 < rxr> the rules work for me and I wanted to polish when udev becomes stable
19:17 < Bart-> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Jd7cZU91.html <== could anyone explain me why this crap installs "mingetty.8" when I told it to install "mingetty.8.gz"?
19:17 < mnemoc> morfoh_: web developer
19:22 < mnemoc> Bart-: package/base/man/parse-config
19:26 < morfoh_> mnemoc: what ?
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19:27 < Bart-> mnemoc, but why this decompresses them?
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19:29 < mnemoc> morfoh: the firefox extension which let you that stuff is named 'web developer'
19:29 < mnemoc> Bart-: another ROCK-age design desition
19:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: you're too late ... yet found ... it's quite nice :)
19:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: mesureit and colorzilla are also a must-have 
19:30 < Bart-> mnemoc, do you know which file invokes his bug? I want to kill it for myself
19:30 < mnemoc> Bart-: what bug?
19:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: thanks for the hints ... master ;)
19:31 < Bart-> this parse_config bug
19:31 < mnemoc> Bart-: that's not a bug, it's done intentionally
19:31 < mnemoc> Bart-: feel free to remove that code localy
19:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
19:32 < Bart-> yeah, I'm looking where it is invoked from
19:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: to get colorzilla you will need some ld hackery, because it's pre-built
19:32 < mnemoc> Bart-: they are not invoked, all parse-config are always present
19:33 < mnemoc> Bart-: just remove the lines from package/base/man/parse-config
19:34 < Bart-> mnemoc, sure, so hacks in *.conf files should be also removed as I suppose but this file should IMO compress docs automagicaly, not DEcompress them
19:35 < Bart-> this is what all modern build systems do
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19:35 < misl> mnemoc, bart-: maybe a config option for compressing?
19:35 < misl> compress all or compress none?
19:36 < Bart-> misl, sure but don't ask me to add it 
19:36 < misl> bart-: I lack that knowledge too
19:37 < misl> maybe even include an option to skip installing man pages.
19:37 < misl> NONE, NORMAL and COMPRESS
19:38 < Bart-> maybe it's time to stop further development of this primitive joke and start learning how it is done in XXI age ;]
19:39 < mnemoc> i have no idea why clifford decided to decompress them
19:39  * karasz bits his tongue, and remains silent
19:39 < Bart-> RPM compresses manpages and info pages autmagically by invoking simple /bin/sh script and then docs may be skipped during instalation by passing --exclude-docs
19:40 < mnemoc> Bart-: the same code used to decompress can be reverted to compress
19:40 < Bart-> mnemoc, this is what I'm going t do
19:41 < mnemoc> misl: do you think the option can be needed?
19:41 < mnemoc> misl: i don't like to bloat Config
19:41 < mnemoc> misl: it's slow enough as is
19:41 < Bart-> also this stupid auto-feature which installs all docs should be IMO disabled by default to prevent from installing hundrets of COPYING files
19:42 < mnemoc> Bart-: you can take that decition on your target
19:42 < Bart-> distributions (except RH) skip COPYING and provide only one package with licences often called common-licences
19:42 < misl> mnemoc: I think a lot of embedded target like to skip docs.
19:43 < mnemoc> Bart-: T2 is not a distribution, is a kit to let you do them however you like them
19:43 < Bart-> mnemoc, IMO such features should be removed upstream, there is no point in increasing amount of work to produce usable system
19:44 < mnemoc> misl: so NONE means 'auto destroy documentation' to you?
19:44 < misl> yes
19:44 < mnemoc> Bart-: we deliver by default what authors want to be distributed as authors want to distribute them as far as possible
19:45 < mnemoc> misl: talk to rxr about that
19:45 < misl> NORMAL = no compression; COMPRESS = compression; +something needed for skipping NONE, SKIP, AUTO_DESTROY, ... whatever
19:46 < Bart-> mnemoc, this is bad IMO. it will be much faster to install 10x mandrake rather than make one usable T2 for 10 boxes
19:47 < Bart-> besides, no one ois so crazy today to build sources from root account and install them directly in system directories
19:47 < Bart-> this can very easily leed to system damage and is pretty STUPID
19:48 < Bart-> s/leed/lead/
19:50  * karasz bits what is left of its tongue, and manages to remain silent
19:50 < misl> karasz: I understand
19:51 < karasz> hello minto ;)
19:51 < misl> hi karasz :)
19:52 < mnemoc> misl: did you try LIBTOOL-QUIRK on boehm-gc?
19:53 < misl> mnemoc: not yet. But noisy is already down. I first started to merge FPIC. I think they are nearly done now.
19:53 < mnemoc> misl: thanks :)
19:53 < misl> the first LIBTOOL merge I tried seemed to be a bit complex.
19:54 < misl> So I switched to the more simple FPIC
19:54 < mnemoc> hehe
19:54 < misl> the LIBTOOL_QUIRK flag was introduced together with a libtool update
19:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: don't let people choose a password during join, force them to get it by mail
19:55 < mnemoc> misl: that's why i hate those commits
19:55 < misl> that's why you wanted me to do it ;-)
19:55 < mnemoc> :p
19:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok
19:56 < misl> Unfortunately I have very smal time slots to actually work on noisy.
19:56 < misl> It is easy to start up a build, but fixing things take more time :(
19:57 < mnemoc> misl: european kids :\ ... my girls can sleep whereever :)
19:57 < misl> mnemoc: but you are free to use noisy 
19:57 < misl> mnemoc: I wonder if the can sleep on noisy?
19:57 < misl> the = they
19:57 < rxr> re
19:57 < karasz> re rxr
19:57 < misl> hail the master :)
19:57 < mnemoc> misl: they can
19:58 < misl> mnemoc: then the must be really exhausted
19:58 < mnemoc> nah, noise-tolerant
19:58 < mnemoc> wb rxr 
19:58 < jsaw> re
19:58 < misl> mnemoc: is your house that small that you have to store you computers underneath their beds?
19:59 < misl> wb jsaw
19:59 < jsaw> hi misl 
19:59 < mnemoc> misl: well... not _that_ small, but i do have the computers at the bedrooms
20:00 < misl> I knew it :)
20:00 < mnemoc> misl: :)
20:00 < mnemoc> wb jsaw 
20:00 < sepp> moin
20:00 < misl> hi sepp
20:00 < karasz> moin jsaw sepp 
20:00 < sepp> hi misl karasz all other :)
20:01 < mnemoc> :(
20:01 < misl> seems like the party can get started :) Nearly every one is here :)
20:01 < jsaw> :)
20:01 < misl> except for mipe, owletta and valentin
20:01 < mnemoc> owl: wake up, we need a girl here
20:01 < rxr> .oO
20:01 < sepp> should i risc to propose a new logo 
20:01 < owl> mnemoc: ? :)
20:01 < owl> hi
20:01 < rxr> sepp: yes
20:02 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/small/rect2822.png
20:02 < mnemoc> rxr: do you know why do we decompress manpages? package/base/man/parse-config
20:02 < misl> sepp: looks nice
20:02 < misl> but where has T2 gone?
20:02 < sepp> its clean - 2 colors, its a tileable pattern and recognise it even at very low res
20:02 < Bart-> brb
20:02 < mnemoc> L T 2 ?
20:03 < sepp> its tileable
20:03 < misl> mnemoc: Now I see it too
20:03 < rxr> mnemoc: to have them all in the same format or so
20:03 < rxr> mnemoc: we could inject a switch there
20:04  * rxr has not looked into you parse-config post though, console with vi in radeon driver ..
20:04 < mnemoc> misl: missile proposed 'compressed' 'decompressed' and 'auto-destroy'
20:04 < mnemoc> err
20:04 < mnemoc> rxr: missile proposed 'compressed' 'decompressed' and 'auto-destroy'
20:06 < misl> Not exactly my words, but it is the thought that counts :)
20:06 < mnemoc> sepp: what about just the left half? 
20:06 < sepp> mnemoc: http://home.arcor.de/t2_/small/for-mnemoc.png
20:06 < mnemoc> misl: :)
20:06 < mnemoc> sepp: o_O
20:07 < sepp> ?
20:07 < misl> mnemoc: in that picture the left half is the same as the right half :D
20:08 < mnemoc> :)
20:08 < jsaw> sepp: can you put S, D, and E into the blue squares?
20:08 < sepp> sure - but that does not look good
20:09 < jsaw> lemma see first
20:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: did you see those colors and tilable image for background?
20:10 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/small/for-jsaw.png
20:10 < misl> sepp: maybe not with an existing font, but was if te draw the letters in the squares itself
20:11 < jsaw> sepp: oh, no, more a large font with similarities to the squares
20:11 < misl> S is putting to lines in it, D is with two angeld corners, E is again with two lines
20:11 < jsaw> or that...
20:11 < jsaw> :)
20:12 < misl> D internally blank with 2 angled corners and 2 round ones
20:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: what colors ?
20:14 < sepp> if you ask - that are building blocks and its a tileable pattern with 2 t's and a II ...
20:15 < mnemoc> morfoh: sepp's
20:15 < morfoh> uhhh! this blue + orange ?
20:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: http://home.arcor.de/t2_/small/rect2822.png  and no, it's releated to email RFC for non ansi chars at headers
20:17 < sepp> don't ask me where the number came from
20:18 < mnemoc> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html <--- this came to my mind when i saw your link :(
20:19 < sepp> :)
20:20 < mnemoc> there is no salvation for me
20:26 < jsaw> rxr: besides that "-D_BSD_SOURCE" is needed with dietlibc, all udev extras do build fine
20:30 < morfoh> sepp: can you provide a SVG from rect2822.png ? ;)
20:30 < rxr> jsaw: hm - then install them if you like
20:30 < jsaw> rxr: it's not a question of liking, but of functionality.
20:31 < jsaw> rxr: what I dislike is not having automatic links to /dev/cdrom adn /dev/dvd
20:33 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/small/explanation.png
20:34 < mnemoc> sepp: thanks
20:34 < jsaw> hehe
20:35 < mnemoc> sepp: what about the "half-t 2" for bullets?
20:35 < morfoh> global navigation should be fixed now
20:35 < sepp> bullets?
20:35 < mnemoc> sepp: small icons on the page
20:36 < sepp> my idea was to keep it as simple as possible - and i think i don't like bullets
20:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: but if I see the rounded corners on that logo I think I have to implement it for the portlets too :p
20:37 < mnemoc> morfoh: aren't they to large for the portlets?
20:37 < mnemoc> morfoh: the curve i mean, large radious
20:37 < mnemoc> sepp: you would remove the 'icons' from http://t2.ixplanet.de/t2 ?
20:37 < morfoh> sepp: I like it 
20:37 < mnemoc> morfoh: what about dropping the 'standards' at the bottom?
20:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... they will be removed
20:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: "El ${plonecms} es Copyright ${copyright} 2000- 2006 por la ${plonefoundation} y otros. " <--- spanish footer o_O
20:39 < mnemoc> morfoh: .de footer is also borked :p
20:39 < sepp> the sky is nice
20:39 < mnemoc> sepp: jsaw gave that
20:39 < sepp> :)
20:40 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/small/sky-test.jpg :)
20:41 < mnemoc> :o
20:41 < morfoh> sepp: nice :)
20:41 < mnemoc> cut the tree :p
20:42 < sepp> look at the wire ;)
20:42 < Bart-> mnemoc, patches sent to ML should have T2-copyright or not or it will be added somehow?
20:42 < misl> sepp: cut that too
20:42 < mnemoc> doh
20:42 < mnemoc> Bart-: scripts/Create-CopyPatch
20:43 < Bart-> I know this script. So I think they should ;]
20:44 < mnemoc> Bart-: you
20:50 < misl> sepp: I modified your logo a bit, to give you an idea of what I meant. But I dunno how to get it across :(
20:51 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/small/test.svg ...
20:52 < mnemoc> misl: mail it to someone with publishing capabilities :)
20:53 < misl> okay, who has?
20:53 < misl> mnemoc: what is your e-mail address?
20:53 < mnemoc> amery at geeks dot cl
20:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: your thing died
20:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: I know 
20:54 < morfoh> that my thing died :p
20:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: i smelt it from here
20:55 < misl> poor rat
20:55 < misl> mnemoc: It is on its way
20:56 < LMJ> evening
20:56 < misl> never mind the background
20:56 < misl> hi LMJ
20:56 < mnemoc> wb LMJ 
20:56 < LMJ> how are you guys
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21:01 < LMJ> veki ? a new dude ? or i'm wrong ? ;-)
21:02 < veki> hi, i am not new, but I am very busy these days sos I am not often here, i started to follow t2 something liek 10 months ago
21:02 < veki> :-)
21:02 < misl> wb veki
21:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: is the footer thing that hard? :)
21:02 < LMJ> ha ok ;)
21:02 < LMJ> welcome back
21:02 < mnemoc> wb veki 
21:02 < veki> hi, how are you?
21:03 < veki> mnemoc: hi
21:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: if you have a way for solving the footer thing ... then go ahead and tell it to me :p
21:08 < morfoh> hi veki 
21:08 < veki> morfoh: h, hw are you?
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21:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: just change the templates :)
21:14 < CIA-7> amery * r15161 /trunk/package/graphic/ghostscript/ (4 files): 
21:14 < CIA-7> * changed ghostscript to not build gtk interface if gtk+12 is not installed
21:14 < CIA-7> * updated copyright notes at ghostscript
21:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: which templates :)
21:14 < mnemoc> morfoh: linguaplone templates, obviusly
21:17  * misl off to bed, sleep wel all
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21:17 < veki> there is site www.ppczone.org whic h discuss on its forum how various Linux distributions run on powerpc platform.  I see there RockLinux, with no posts, but I do not see t2 there. Is anyone interested to open forum there so we can do something for t2 to be known on that forum
21:18 < mnemoc> sepp: this is misl's draft: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/moz-screenshot-1.jpg
21:19 < mnemoc> veki: rxr is a ppc user
21:19 < mnemoc> sepp: he said 'ignore the background color'
21:19 < veki> mnemoc: good so he can go there. Since company genesi is I think sponsor or significant contributor to that site www.genesi-usa.com, I think that it i spossibel to arrange some support with them
21:20 < mnemoc> rxr: ---^
21:20 < veki> they manufacture pegasosII mainboard that is openhardware and it i sbased on ppc.  I do have one such a machine and it works wonderfully
21:20 < mnemoc> :)
21:21 < veki> I think that they may be interested in supporting someone to try t2 on it especially having in mind that you do  embedded and other targets
21:22 < veki> for example, they made EFIKA2 evaluation board that is also based on ppc and it will be interesting to make it operational with embedded t2.  They are willing to give EFIKAto person who is iwlling to work on it.
21:22 < sepp> mnemoc: it does not work if you scale it down
21:23 < veki> I think that they may be good reference for t2 and vice versa
21:23 < sepp> i would separate chars
21:26 < morfoh> veki: how much is a pegasosII board ?
21:26 < rxr> fd
21:26 < rxr> I tried to contact geneis then they threw the first board on the marked
21:27 < rxr> and they did not respond to any mail
21:27 < veki> Actually, they sell it as complete machine with HD, DVD/RW recorder, soundcard, ATI 92000 video adapter, 2 Ethernets ...
21:27 < rxr> if someone has a contact there ...
21:27 < veki> I got it as a donation since I wrote a year ago article about open hardware and freee software on one conference and Genesi guys noticed myarticle on the web, contacted me and donated one machine to me , cool :-)
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21:28 < veki> rxr: If you like I can contact them initially, on your behalf and then you can continue on your own. OK?
21:29 < rxr> veki: sure
21:29 < rxr> veki: t2 works wonderfully on Apple and IBM PPC hardware ..
21:29 < veki> OK, good, I will do that immediatelly. :-)
21:29 < veki> excellent, I do not have doubts about that
21:30 < rxr> from early as RS6k B50 375MHz boxes, to Apple iBook, up to dual-core G5
21:30 < rxr> susan's iBook is building OOo near my and the rest is sleepin in my office
21:30 < rxr> lars, valentin and my brother are on PPC as well ..
21:30 < rxr> all in all ppc is one of the best supported arch of t2
21:31 < veki> rxr:  I have sent them E-mail, and I am waiting for reply.  
21:31 < veki> rxr: what is your mail so I can give them your mail to contact you?
21:32 < veki> you can send your address to me on my E-mail address: vvucic@eunet.yu 
21:33 < veki> rxr: there is specification of PegasosII on www.genesi-usa.com 
21:34 < veki> rxr:  I think that EFIKA is also interesting thing
21:35 < mnemoc> sepp: it's JPG :)
21:36 < mnemoc> morfoh: Error logs from azazel-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-azazel:
21:36 < mnemoc> 560 builds total, 476 completed fine, 0 with errors.
21:36 < morfoh> :)
21:37 < mnemoc> morfoh: https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php?category=1
21:37 < rxr> veki: rene@exactcode.de rene@t2-project.org and some others depending what you see fit best
21:37 < mnemoc> morfoh: export SDECFG_ABORT_ON_ERROR_AFTER='9' :)
21:38 < veki> rxr: thanks
21:41 < mnemoc> it seems this genesi guys are married to morphOS
21:41 < mnemoc> these*
21:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: at least it isn't morfhOS :)
21:42 < veki> not so much , that is one of os, bt on forums there are all kinds of Linux
21:42 < veki> rxr: they replied and I forwarded their reply to your mail :-)
21:42 < veki> rxr: please feel free to contact them and mention my name
21:44 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
21:46 < rxr> valentin: btw. benh got his first child these days
21:46 < mnemoc> dual core?
21:46 < morfoh> :)
21:46 < veki> he he
21:47 < sepp> mnemoc: hehe - i noticed that ;)
21:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: http://t2.ixplanet.de/t2/Members/amery <--- green :\
21:49 < karasz> sorry i got kicked out
21:49 < mnemoc> kicked out from were?
21:49 < mnemoc> where*
21:49 < karasz> from the net :)
21:50 < karasz> so as i told you before i have now a mnemosyne up and runnin
21:50 < karasz> i had some issues thou...
21:50 < karasz> which now seem to be resolved, but i do not know how
21:50  * rxr bed
21:50 < karasz> sleep well rxr
21:50 < rxr> damn crappy radeon r300 drm code
21:51 < morfoh> good n8 rxr 
21:51 < rxr> code in style to get massive headache from ...
21:51 < rxr> too bad there are so few documented gfx chips
21:51 < veki> rxr: did you get my mail?
21:51 < rxr> I would start a cleanly coded codebase immediatly .....
21:51 < rxr> veki: well I have no X right now due to vi'ing radeon_exa_render.c ...
21:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: ?
21:52 < rxr> and my trvial attempts to inject some r300 bits have not been that successful ...
21:52 < rxr> veki: when you got no transport error it will be there and i take a look tomorrow morning
21:52 < veki> rxr: ok, but you will see their positive answer when you will be able to chek mail
21:52 < veki> rxr: ok, sleep well
21:53 < sepp> mnemoc: i mean something like http://home.arcor.de/t2_/small/really-small.png
21:53 < sepp> if its very simple it works even at very very low resolution 
21:53 < mnemoc> sepp: of course at those sizes you have to remove the details
21:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: "green :\"  what ? 
21:54 < sepp> but if "we" prefer SDE instead of chars - its ok for me
21:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: see it in your own home
21:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: when they are editable you see a green frame
21:55 < sepp> s/chars/boxes/
21:57 < mnemoc> sepp: on some places chars are good, on other places boxes
21:58 < sepp> anyway - i think we will never agree on anything :)
21:58 < sepp> if its large the chars are under the logo
21:58 < sepp> if not they are missing
21:59 < sepp> or at any random place 
21:59 < mnemoc> :)
22:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: and you are just complaining about the green color ?
22:04 < mnemoc> morfoh: that's my speciality, just complaining
22:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: I thought it was mine :p
22:05 < mnemoc> :)
22:05 < rxr> KDE 3.5.1 Released
22:05 < rxr> ^- update anyone?
22:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: how do you want to see it chef ? any proposals ? :)
22:06 < Baldzius> rxr: me downloading
22:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, the footer problem is within the translations 
22:06 < morfoh> :p
22:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: blue? gray?
22:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: for such kind of proposal I don't have to ask you :p
22:08 < mnemoc> :)
22:08 < morfoh> but I think gray is ok :)
22:10 < Bart-> me\ off, cu *
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22:12 < veki> guys, I have to go to sleep, cu :-)
22:13 < mnemoc> cu veki 
22:14 < veki> cu mnemoc, have a nice time in Chile :-)
22:14 < mnemoc> :)
22:14 < veki> :-)
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22:24 < sepp> good night *
22:24 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.48.220.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["leaving"]
22:24 < mnemoc> gn8 se
22:25 < CIA-7> rene * r15162 /trunk/package/develop/gengetopt/ (. gengetopt.cache gengetopt.desc): * added gengetopt (2.15) - A getopt format generator
22:25 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you feel more comfortable within your new "home" now ?
22:27 < rxr> finally off - cu
22:27 < morfoh> cu
22:27 < mnemoc> cu rxr 
22:28 < mnemoc> karasz: do you have python on your x86_64?
22:28 < karasz> i guess not
22:28 < karasz> why?
22:29 < mnemoc> print "%s/lib/python%s.%s/site-packages" % (sys.prefix,sys.version_info[0],sys.version_info[1])
22:29 < mnemoc> /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages
22:29 < mnemoc> i'm trying to compose that F* string...
22:29 < mnemoc> but hardcoded lib is ugly
22:29 < mnemoc> morfoh: still green
22:29 < karasz> mnemoc: ?
22:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: cache ?
22:30 < karasz> mnemoc: i have /usr/lib/python2.4/...
22:31 < mnemoc> karasz: thanks :)
22:31 < karasz> nah
22:31 < karasz> sorry
22:31 < mnemoc> ?
22:31 < karasz> mnemoc: i have /opt/gnome2/lib/python2.4/...
22:31 < mnemoc> o_O
22:32 < karasz> e.g.
22:32 < karasz> /opt/gnome2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0
22:32 < karasz> /opt/gnome2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/atk.la
22:32 < karasz> and so on
22:33 < mnemoc> nothing at /usr ?
22:35 < karasz> nope
22:36 < karasz> wrong again
22:36 < karasz> sorry but i am kinda tired
22:36 < karasz> /usr/lib/python2.4/anydbm.pyc
22:36 < karasz> /usr/lib/python2.4/anydbm.pyo
22:36 < karasz> /usr/lib/python2.4/asynchat.py
22:36 < karasz> /usr/lib/python2.4/asynchat.pyc
22:36 < karasz> /usr/lib/python2.4/asynchat.pyo
22:36 < karasz> /usr/lib/python2.4/asyncore.py
22:36 < karasz> and ...
22:36 < karasz> /usr/lib/python2.4/distutils/command/install_lib.py
22:36 < karasz> /usr/lib/python2.4/distutils/command/install_lib.pyc
22:37 < karasz> stuff like that
22:37 < karasz> if you care i can put the whole thing on pastebin
22:39 < mnemoc> no, thanks... that is enough :)
22:41 < karasz> oki
22:41 < karasz> yw
22:45 < CIA-7> amery * r15163 /trunk/package/python/setuptools/setuptools-conf.in: * changed setuptools to flistdel easy-install.pth file
22:46 < CIA-7> amery * r15164 /trunk/package/python/setuptools/setuptools.desc: * changed setuptools to flistdel easy-install.pth file (part 2 -_- )
22:46 < CIA-7> amery * r15165 /trunk/package/editors/pida/pida.desc: * updated pida (0.2.2 -> 0.3.0beta)
22:52 < mnemoc> owl: how are you these days?
22:52 < mnemoc> morfoh: can you change .state-visible to something != green ?
22:53 < owl> mnemoc: welll. puzzled and so. thx. you?
22:53 < mnemoc> owl: puzzled due to?
22:53 < mnemoc> life?
22:53 < owl> mnemoc: ack
22:58 < morfoh> hi owl
23:02 < owl> hi mnemoc 
23:02 < owl> aeh. morfoh 
23:02 < owl> sorry :)
23:02 < mnemoc> :)
23:04 < mnemoc> this is getting slow.... 560 builds total, 477 completed fine, 0 with errors.
23:34 < CIA-7> aldas * r15166 /trunk/package/security/nmap/nmap.desc: * updated nmap (3.999 -> 4.00)
23:59 < karasz> mnemoc: am i suposed to do services directories for runit by hand?
23:59 < karasz> morfoh?
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