T2 IRC Log: 2006-01-26

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--- Log opened Thu Jan 26 00:00:26 2006
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00:42 < CIA-2> aldas * r15054 /trunk/package/games/clanlib/ (clanlib.desc configure-png-fix.patch):
00:42 < CIA-2> * updated clanlib (0.7.8-1 -> 0.8.0-RC1)
00:42 < CIA-2> * removed configure-png-fix.patch
00:59 < CIA-2> aldas * r15055 /trunk/package/games/pingus/ (5 files):
00:59 < CIA-2> * added pingus/gcc4.patch
00:59 < CIA-2> * removed pingus/gcc34.patch
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02:54 < morfoh> good morning
02:57 < mnemoc> o.o
02:58 < morfoh> hey mnemoc ... what are you looking so ... :)
03:12 < morfoh> gn8
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06:58 < mipe> morning chan
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08:05 < mtr> moin
09:16 < LMJ> good morning the chan
09:25 < owl> moin
09:27 < LMJ> how are you owl ?
09:29 < owl> hm. unable to open my eyes or so. thx. you?
09:33 < LMJ> hehe
09:33 < LMJ> i'm ok
09:34 < LMJ> shower time i guess here
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10:48 < nzg> moin
10:55 < mipe> hmm.. hal patch is borken...
10:55 < mipe> why do we change fdi policy?
10:56 < mipe> -.B /etc/hal/fdi/policy/
10:56 < mipe> +.B /usr/etc/hal/fdi/policy/
10:56 < mipe> fstab.8
10:56 < Baldzius> mipe: remove that patch locally
11:05 < valentin> moin
11:12 < Baldzius> hi valentin
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11:32 < valentin> someone here who can send and receive gnupg encrypted messages ? i want to test if i configured my mail client correctly
11:36 < valentin> damn, somehow i forot my secret keyring passphrase - did not use gpg for over 6 month now :/
11:37 < valentin> ok, creating new key ... :( the old one was not known to many ppl anyway
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12:19 < LMJ> valentin : upload your public key to a server
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12:30 < mnemoc> moin
12:32 < LMJ> moin mnemoc
12:33 < mnemoc> moin master joda
12:35 < LMJ> you can call me LMJ ;)
12:35 < mnemoc> thanks
12:36 < LMJ> cool
12:36 < LMJ> brb
12:43 < valentin> moin mnemoc
12:44 < mnemoc> moin valentin
12:48 < mnemoc> does wine finish building successfully for you?
12:49 < valentin> ok, decrypting works. anyone i can send a pgp encrypted message ?
12:49 < valentin> mnemoc: who is "you" ?
12:50 < mnemoc> you = anyone reading :)
12:50 < valentin> which wine version ? build it around n.y.eve :)
12:51 < CIA-2> aldas * r15056 /trunk/package/x11/gscmxx/ (compile-fix.patch gscmxx.desc): * added gscmxx/compile-fix.patch
12:51 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc
12:51 < Baldzius> wine 0.9.6?
12:52 < mnemoc> or 0.9.5
12:53 < mnemoc> both 'just fail' here after:
12:53 < mnemoc> rm -f wintab.dll.so && ln -s wintab32.dll.so wintab.dll.so
12:53 < mnemoc> rm -f wprocs.dll.so && ln -s winedos.dll.so wprocs.dll.so
12:53 < mnemoc> make[1]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.wine.rafaella.20060126.094224.4915.builder/wine-0.9.6/dlls'
12:53 < mnemoc> Due to previous errors, no 5-wine.log file!
12:53 < mnemoc> (Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error inside the build system.)
12:53 < mnemoc> silently
12:53 < Baldzius> hm , i commited wine 0.9.5 so it worked for me
12:53 < Baldzius> i can try 0.9.6
12:54 < Baldzius> wine 0.9.5 compiled on my ref build several days ago
12:54 < mnemoc> it compiles here too
12:55 < mnemoc> but install fail.... i guess due to wrong a && b logic
12:56 < Baldzius> checking ...
12:56 < mnemoc> uhm, no
12:56 < mnemoc> the last link is created
12:56 < mnemoc> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jan 26 09:48 wprocs.dll.so -> winedos.dll.so*
13:19 < Baldzius> =[9]=> Finished building package wine
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13:22 < rxr> re
13:22 < rxr> so - one damned paper with talk handed away ...
13:22 < rxr> and today the ordered Maeda book arrived - juchu ..
13:27 < rxr> ... just a bit too late
13:28 < rxr> "As predicted, 2005 was the hottest year since accurate temperature recording began in the late 1800s. This news is all the more interesting because 2005 was not an "El Niño" year like 1998, the previous record holder."
13:28 < rxr> ^- http://slashdot.org/
13:28 < rxr> ... and the coldest winter here in north germany since a long time as well
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14:00 < valentin> hi rxr
14:00 < valentin> cold winters often correlate to years that are warm in the average temperature
14:03 < valentin> rxr: due to alzheimer, i had to create a new public gpg key
14:03 < valentin> so you better delete my old one from your keyring
14:14 < CIA-2> aldas * r15057 /trunk/package/games/gnubg/ (6 files): * added gnubg/gcc4.patch
14:15 < rxr> ic slowly the most important packages are fixed for gcc >= 4.x then ,-)
14:18 < valentin> just for my information : how do you handle patches with pkgfork ? ;)
14:19 < rxr> pkgfork ?
14:19 < rxr> valentin: do you talk about T2 ?
14:19 < valentin> alias #ifdef
14:19 < valentin> nope
14:19 < rxr> then I do not know
14:20 < rxr> I think they group in subdirectories and such
14:20 < rxr> but I try to avoid too much of this noise in my brain
14:21 < valentin> sure
14:37 < mnemoc> jsaw and i wanted to use subdirs and different .desc for foo-%
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14:39 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
14:39 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006]
14:39 [Users #t2]
14:39 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-2] [ mipe ] [ mtr] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
14:39 [ axion__ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg] [ rxr_ ] [ _Ragnar_]
14:39 [ Baldzius] [ LMJ ] [ morfoh] [ owl] [ sepp_]
14:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
14:39 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004
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15:07 < misl> hi folks
15:08 < mnemoc> hi misl
15:09 < mnemoc> how is the job at amsterdam going?
15:12 < misl> mnemoc: Fine, they have a big mess, so lot's of things to do ;-)
15:13 < mnemoc> sounds fun :)
15:13 < mnemoc> lot of T2-based machines to install? :)
15:13 < misl> mnemoc: do you know TomTom ?
15:13 < mnemoc> nope, what is it?
15:13 < mnemoc> http://www.tomtom.com/
15:14 < misl> brb
15:14 < mnemoc> o_O
15:15 < misl> someone at the door.
15:15 < mnemoc> :)
15:15 < misl> today I got a call to some technical job at tomtom
15:16 < misl> unfortunately I just started at the police here in amsterdam.
15:16 < misl> I wouldn't be honorfull to quit that :(
15:18 < mnemoc> it's good to be friend of the police
15:20 < misl> tomtom is embedded linux, maybe something for t2 ;-)
15:20 < misl> police is java work. Not really something for t2 :(
15:21 < mnemoc> kaffe :)
15:22 < mnemoc> what do you prefer, coding or T2?
15:22 < misl> both :D
15:23 < mnemoc> :)
15:23 < valentin> hi misl
15:23 < misl> hi valentin
15:24 < misl> I gotta go, grandma (My mother in law) has trouble opening her door :(
15:24 < misl> cu later
15:26 < mnemoc> super misl to the rescue
15:26 < rxr_> re
15:27 < mnemoc> wb rxr_
15:27 < rxr_> misl: redirect tomtom to berlin ,-)
15:27 -!- You're now known as rxr
15:27 < mnemoc> good idea :)
15:29 < rxr> /me booting the dual-core that was sleeping in os x code into linxu again ...
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16:17 < CIA-2> aldas * r15059 /trunk/package/editors/zile/zile.desc: * updated zile (2.2.9 -> 2.2.11)
16:17 < rxr> joerg schilling again flames on linux-kernel
16:18 < rxr> guess if he would know what we patch away in his crap code he would come over yelling too
16:18 < rxr> maybe even to my frontdoor ...
16:19 < mnemoc> cdrecord's author?
16:20 < mnemoc> it seems my problem with wine was ssp
16:21 < rxr> oh
16:21 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, this brain dead cdrecord hacker
16:21 < Baldzius> :)
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16:26 < CIA-2> aldas * r15060 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/ (ar-usage.patch strongswan.conf strongswan.desc): * updated strongswan (2.6.0 -> 2.6.1)
16:27 < CIA-2> rene * r15061 /trunk/package/base/pwdutils/pwdutils.desc: * fixed double [T] tag in pwdutils
16:28 < rxr> Jens Axboe to Schilling: "What is this, kindergarten? What false claims have I made? I pointed out
16:28 < rxr> several you made, to which you had no rebuttal. Then you start playing
16:28 < rxr> "Jens made obviously false claims", huh?? I've had more mature
16:28 < rxr> conversations with my 1 year old son."
16:30 < CIA-2> aldas * r15062 /trunk/package/zope/epoz/epoz.desc: * updated epoz (2.0.0 -> 2.0.2)
16:34 < CIA-2> aldas * r15063 /trunk/package/zope/zwiki/zwiki.desc: * updated zwiki (0.44.0 -> 0.49.0)
16:34 < CIA-2> jsaw * r15064 /trunk/package/ (base/hal/hal.desc network/dbus/dbus.desc):
16:34 < CIA-2> * move prio of dbus/hal up (before gnome-utils)
16:34 < CIA-2> (not tested in fresh build)
16:40 < rxr> shadow does use functions ...
16:40 < rxr> l64a ...
16:41 < rxr> ^- that is a glibc function ...
16:41 < rxr> public one even
16:42 < rxr> though claimed to be in posix
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16:57 [Users #t2]
16:57 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-2] [ misl ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly]
16:57 [ axion__ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
16:57 [ Baldzius] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp] [ _Ragnar_ ]
16:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
16:59 < rxr> xsane-0.991 released
17:02 < CIA-2> jsaw * r15065 /trunk/package/base/hal/ (ieee1394-lacie.patch ieee1394-lacie.patch.disabled): * disable ieee1394-lacie patch (does not apply)
17:06 < Baldzius> rxr: r15031
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18:10 < rxr> re
18:10 < rxr> mnemoc: what do I need to build eclipse?
18:10 < rxr> is gcj good? or kaffee ?
18:11 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
18:13 < misl> :)
18:13 < rxr> mnemoc: Eclipse 3.1.2 available for download
18:13 < rxr> hi misl
18:17 < rxr> mnemoc: emerging kaffe builds jikes ?
18:17 < _Ragnar_> >.<
18:17 < _Ragnar_> does udev 0.81 compile for anyone here? o_o
18:17 < rxr> I think it did
18:17 < rxr> what is your error ?
18:18 < _Ragnar_> strnlen undef in diet
18:18 < rxr> if you had an aging udev around youmight need a dietlibc update for strnlen
18:18 < rxr> _Ragnar_: heh - rebuild dietlibc and try again ,-)
18:18 < rxr> I added a tiny as possible strnlen to dietlibc for udev
18:18 < rxr> months ago
18:18 < _Ragnar_> O_O
18:19 < _Ragnar_> why didn't it recompile it then?
18:19 < rxr> by default Emerge does not compare source checksum - just the version
18:20 * _Ragnar_ forces rebuild
18:20 < rxr> the version of dietlibc was not bumped
18:20 < _Ragnar_> ugh
18:20 < rxr> you can add -honor-checksum or so to Emerge and get massive rebuilds
18:20 < _Ragnar_> *g*
18:29 < rxr> if pkginstalled jikes; then
18:29 < rxr> var_append extraconfopt ' ' '--with-jikes'
18:29 < rxr> fi
18:29 < rxr> ah - indeed intended to use jikes ...
18:29 < _Ragnar_> :)
18:32 < sparc-kly> http://winxponmac.com/The%20Contest.html
18:33 < sparc-kly> lol
18:41 < mnemoc> rxr: java-dirtree + jikes (compiler) + kaffe (jvm)
18:45 < CIA-2> amery * r15066 /trunk/package/base/gcc/parse-config: * changed gcc to not use stack protector for wine
18:45 < CIA-2> rene * r15067 /trunk/package/java/kaffe/kaffe.desc:
18:45 < CIA-2> * removed x86-64 from the kaffee Arch exclusion - does just build now
18:45 < CIA-2> (no idea if it runs anything though)
18:46 < rxr> mnemoc: what do I need for eclipse?
18:46 < rxr> mnemoc: have you seen the update on eclipse, possible upstream?
18:46 < mnemoc> java-dirtree + jikes (compiler) + kaffe (jvm) + apache-ant
18:46 < rxr> # ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg eclipse
18:46 < rxr> checking eclipse ... Not installed. Added.
18:46 < rxr> Packages scheduled to build: eclipse
18:46 < rxr> hm
18:46 < rxr> I fear I have no apache-ant, will it break on build ?
18:47 < mnemoc> apache-ant is like 'make' for eclipse
18:47 < rxr> mnemoc: the eclipse.cache looks a bit empty on trunk
18:47 < mnemoc> probably from broken age
18:47 < rxr> mnemoc: do you mind committing your eclipse.cache?
18:48 < mnemoc> minute
18:49 < CIA-2> rene * r15068 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg.conf.example: * removed historic noise from our xorg.conf.example
18:49 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - apache-ant and eclipse scheduled to Emerge ,-)
18:49 < rxr> just for fun
18:49 * rxr just wants to see it starting in 64bit for the sake of it
18:51 < mnemoc> kaffe is not 64bits friendly
18:51 < rxr> mnemoc: the googling indicated it should mostly work there days
18:52 < rxr> and it built now, instead of complaining about missing jit at configure time months++ ago
18:52 < mnemoc> ah good
18:52 < rxr> 11305 root 25 0 59136 36m 3052 R 99.5 7.8 3:17.13 kaffe-bin
18:52 < rxr> hm
18:52 < rxr> looks suspicious
18:53 < rxr> like the on ppc runing quite some time - I fear inf.
18:53 < mnemoc> eclipse took 3:40h the last time i built it
18:54 < rxr> 11305 root 16 0 75804 51m 3080 R 72.6 11.1 5:13.14 kaffe-bin
18:54 < rxr> I fear I can dodge this
18:54 < CIA-2> amery * r15069 /trunk/package/java/eclipse/eclipse.cache: * added cache file for eclipse
18:55 < rxr> mnemoc: you never testing using gcj for our java stuff ?
18:55 < rxr> 11305 root 25 0 79972 56m 3080 R 77.6 12.2 6:21.81 kaffe-bin
18:55 < rxr> .oO
18:56 < mnemoc> rxr: java-dirtree/parse-config doesn't detect gcj
19:00 < mnemoc> rxr: my main problem against gcj that your java libraries are tied to gcc releases, and classpath still inmature. kaffe does 2-3 merges per week
19:00 < mnemoc> mainly bugfixing
19:08 < CIA-2> aldas * r15070 /trunk/package/develop/paragui/ (8 files):
19:08 < CIA-2> * disabled internal physfs for paragui (by default), it caused
19:08 < CIA-2> shared files collision
19:08 < misl> rxr: there is also a good C/C++ eclipse plug-in
19:08 < CIA-2> * copyrights update
19:10 < misl> http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/
19:13 < misl> rxr: And specially for you they have a cobol plug-in too :)
19:13 < misl> http://www.eclipse.org/cobol/
19:13 < mnemoc> i started hunting for eclipse to use the UML thing
19:14 < misl> http://www.eclipse.org/uml2/ ?
19:14 < mnemoc> yep
19:15 < rxr> 15182 root 25 0 61532 37m 4148 R 97.2 8.0 0:52.13 kaffe-bin
19:16 < rxr> and my laptop got hot ...
19:16 < rxr> mnemoc: kde has a nice UML tool - umbrello or so ...
19:17 < rxr> drafted my technical comp. sci. courses with it ...
19:17 * mnemoc can't find the source tarball of 3.1.2
19:17 < rxr> years ago ...
19:17 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, but only gaphor on gtk :)
19:17 < rxr> misl: I want my ada plugin ,-)
19:18 < mnemoc> rxr: code it :p
19:18 < misl> http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/displayarticle197.html
19:18 < misl> :D
19:18 < mnemoc> OMG
19:18 < rxr> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.1.2-200601181600/eclipse-SDK-3.1.2-linux-gtk.tar.gz&url=http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.1.2-200601181600/eclipse-SDK-3.1.2-linux-gtk.tar.gz&mirror_id=1
19:19 < mnemoc> smells like pre-built
19:19 < rxr> n oide
19:20 < rxr> no idea
19:20 < rxr> that is what the download entry on the site offers ..
19:20 < rxr> temperature: 46 C
19:20 < rxr> and this should be already cooled down a bit ...
19:20 < mnemoc> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.1.2-200601181600/download.php?dropFile=eclipse-sourceBuild-srcIncluded-3.1.2.zip
19:20 < rxr> humble poor cpu had to execute some useless inf. loop all over and over again
19:21 < misl> http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net/eclipse/plugins.jsp?category=Languages
19:22 < misl> lots of languages are supported
19:22 < axion__> mnemoc: you there?
19:22 < axion__> actually rxr
19:22 < axion__> mirror address changed
19:25 < mnemoc> uhm
19:25 < mnemoc> rsync address still the same?
19:25 < axion__> http://t2sde.yi.org/t2
19:26 < axion__> please update it
19:26 < mnemoc> only rxr can update mirror list
19:26 < axion__> yeah rsync should still work....it's just a vhost
19:27 < axion__> but i suggest to use that address for everything...the reason i changed it is because i may be using that address for my local box soon
19:28 < CIA-2> aldas * r15071 /trunk/package/network/slmodem/ (7 files): * added slmodem/gcc4.patch
19:33 < mnemoc> axion__: ok
19:34 < axion__> mnemoc: i'm not identified...you probably didnt get that
19:34 < axion__> yes
19:35 < mnemoc> ok :)
19:35 < mnemoc> the next sync loop will use that address
19:36 < owl> re
19:36 < mnemoc> wb owlita
19:42 < _Ragnar_> O_O
19:42 < _Ragnar_> Mounting rootfs ...
19:42 < _Ragnar_> Ouhm - some boot problem, but I do not scream. Debug shell:
19:42 < _Ragnar_> what do I do?
19:44 * mnemoc has no idea
19:46 < mnemoc> i guess try to find why rootfs didn't mount :p
19:46 < _Ragnar_> hmm how? o_o
19:47 * mnemoc hides
19:47 < mnemoc> i haven't tried the new technology yet
19:47 < _Ragnar_> oh >.<
19:48 < _Ragnar_> hmmm now mount doesn't come back >.<
19:54 < _Ragnar_> eeeks
19:55 * _Ragnar_ pokes rxr, heelp :)
20:04 < mnemoc> :)
20:13 < _Ragnar_> how do you start udev ?
20:14 < mnemoc> udevstart iirc :)
20:14 < _Ragnar_> in initrd?
20:14 < mnemoc> afaik it does it
20:15 < _Ragnar_> O_O
20:16 < _Ragnar_> that seems to fail
20:16 < mnemoc> i use devfs
20:16 < _Ragnar_> how in 2.6.15.1 ?
20:16 < mnemoc> 2.6.11.12
20:16 < mnemoc> 2.1 branch
20:16 < _Ragnar_> ah ok
20:18 < _Ragnar_> wtf does mount not work O_O
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20:18 < Bart-> hi al
20:23 < Bart-> anyone has idea how to debug Xorg in a controlled way to prevent it from hanging the box?
20:23 < rxr> re
20:24 < _Ragnar_> hey rene :)
20:24 < _Ragnar_> my savior :)
20:25 < rxr> _Ragnar_: /me already in bed :-(
20:25 < CIA-2> jsaw * r15072 /trunk/package/audio/mixmagic/mixmagic.desc: * LIBTOOL-QUIRK
20:25 < mnemoc> uhm? why this early?
20:25 < _Ragnar_> >.>
20:25 < mnemoc> rxr: ill?
20:26 < rxr> nope
20:26 < rxr> well - some headache
20:26 < rxr> otherwise just overannoyed of uni fluff
20:26 < rxr> and an exam tomorrow
20:26 < rxr> mirror list updated
20:27 < rxr> gnash does have 64bit issues to compile
20:27 < mnemoc> who your simplicity thing went?
20:27 < rxr> new avrdude does not compile either
20:27 < mnemoc> :\
20:27 < rxr> mnemoc: talk was so lala ...
20:27 < _Ragnar_> :(
20:27 < rxr> the paper is not that strong
20:27 < rxr> well, it is uni after all ,-)
20:27 < mnemoc> hehe
20:28 < _Ragnar_> >.>
20:28 < mnemoc> but you suffered this thing anyway :)
20:28 < _Ragnar_> haw you hake udev recognise /dev/discs/disc0/part5 ?
20:28 < _Ragnar_> how
20:28 < _Ragnar_> and *make
20:29 < rxr> _Ragnar_: our udev rules to nor provide devfs compat for that over-verbose names :-(
20:29 < rxr> but you are free to add rules for it ,-)
20:29 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 54893.000
20:29 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 59649.000
20:29 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 16571.000
20:29 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 3608.000
20:29 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 28685.000
20:29 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 80129.000
20:29 < mnemoc> rxr: s/axion/t2sde/g
20:29 < rxr> so - susan is begging my to silency the keys and the fan - n8 all
20:29 < rxr> oh
20:29 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
20:29 < rxr> thought I edited that
20:30 < _Ragnar_> gn8 rene
20:31 < rxr> ah - it is just the text ,-)
20:31 < rxr> overlooked the file includes the hostname in the server info line
20:33 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 63282.000
20:33 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 61044.000
20:33 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 17771.000
20:33 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 2363.000
20:33 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 35287.000
20:33 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 79345.000
20:33 < rxr> so - ,-) cu
20:33 < misl> cu rxr
20:33 < misl> me off too
20:33 < misl> sleep well all
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20:34 < CIA-2> aldas * r15073 /trunk/package/multimedia/maverik/ (compile-fix.patch maverik.conf maverik.desc): * added maverik/compile-fix.patch
20:36 < _Ragnar_> shouldn't udev have some daemon running?
20:36 < _Ragnar_> (got it to boot now)
20:36 < Bart-> how to set my own CFLAGS? information in handbook 19.6 is not usefull at all
20:37 < _Ragnar_> for one package?
20:37 < _Ragnar_> or in general?
20:38 < Bart-> for every package emerged by Emerge-Pkg
20:38 < mnemoc> Bart-: what exactly do you want to do?
20:38 < Bart-> mnemoc, I want to force T2 to use my flags instead of (re)building Xorg with -O2 -g
20:39 < Bart-> if it doesn't work, it should be at least built good ;]
20:39 < mnemoc> -O2 -g is injected to gcc wrapper, so CFLAGS wont change that
20:39 < mnemoc> see cmd_wrapper.txt to see exactly what is executed
20:40 < Bart-> ok
20:40 < mnemoc> see for GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND on other packages for reference
20:41 < _Ragnar_> and GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE
20:42 < Bart-> _Ragnar_, you are probably looking for udevd or /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
20:43 < Bart-> hey, there is no file cmd_wrapper.txt
20:43 < sepp> or run Config -cfg debug and under expert set optimization 'lazy' and 'build binaries with debug symbols' or so
20:43 < sepp> whatever the exact string is
20:46 < Bart-> sepp, I'm trying to turn off debug ;] but I found only C source: misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c which gives me nothing
20:46 < mnemoc> Bart-: inside src.package.$random/
20:47 < mnemoc> Bart-: debug is controlled by a Config option
20:47 < mnemoc> Bart-: magicly passed to gcc
20:47 < Bart-> mnemoc, rlocate says there is no such file on entitre disk, should I run some command to get it?
20:48 < mnemoc> Bart-: ls src.package.$random/cmd*
20:49 < sepp> Bart-: ahh ok, i thought you want to get debug symbols ...
20:51 < Bart-> sepp, because I'm looking for a way to see whats inside running Xorg but this is the only package that needs debug but all of them are built with -g
20:52 < mnemoc> Bart-: add SDECFG_DEBUG=1 on top of xorg.conf
20:53 < mnemoc> uhm, no
20:54 < mnemoc> this is set on parse-config....
20:54 < sepp> i have a target thats the same just with debug options to emerge things ...
20:54 < Bart-> mnemoc, still don't get what about custom flags. Is it really so hard to set them once and forget?
20:55 < mnemoc> Bart-: doing this kind of oddities is hard
20:56 < _Ragnar_> huh?
20:56 < _Ragnar_> it isn't or shouldn't be
20:56 < mnemoc> Bart-: the way of doing oddities is setting your own target
20:56 < Bart-> mnemoc, ok, I'm gonna survive. Can you tell me more about procedure? ;]
20:56 < _Ragnar_> just use GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE to remove the options you don't like
20:57 < _Ragnar_> and then GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT or GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND those options you like in the package .conf
20:57 < Bart-> greping ...
20:57 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: the problem is gcc/parse-config doing the oposite
20:57 < mnemoc> 63 if [ "$SDECFG_DEBUG" = 0 ] ; then
20:57 < mnemoc> 64 var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND " " "-s"
20:57 < mnemoc> 65 var_append SYSGCC_WRAPPER_APPEND " " "-s"
20:57 < mnemoc> 66 var_insert GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE " " "-g*"
20:57 < mnemoc> 67 var_insert SYSGCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE " " "-g*"
20:57 < mnemoc> 68 else
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20:58 < morfoh> hi
20:58 < Bart-> hi, mnemoc
20:58 < mnemoc> i guess, var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' '-g' on top of xorg.conf has precedence over gcc/parse-config's GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE
20:58 < mnemoc> *g*
20:58 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
20:58 < morfoh> thx mnemoc
20:59 < _Ragnar_> yes it should
20:59 < mnemoc> but the right way is to [ "$pkg" == 'xorg' ] && SDECFG_DEBUG=1 on target/$target/parse-config imo
21:00 < mnemoc> uhm... wait
21:00 < mnemoc> iirc rene added some undocumented things to Emerge-Pkg...
21:00 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
21:00 < Bart-> hey, setting stuff in every file separatly is an RPM's way of making changes ;]
21:01 < mnemoc> uhm, no... just prefix hackery
21:02 < mnemoc> Bart-: every package is active part of every other package, and the target guide them
21:03 < Bart-> good to know
21:04 < mnemoc> T2 SDE is trying to be as agnostic as possible
21:04 < Bart-> grep: out of memory
21:04 < mnemoc> :p
21:04 < mnemoc> what are you trying to do?
21:06 < Bart-> mnemoc, generally I.m trying to find oou why Xorg hangs: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/5a2TMA13.html but in particular, I'm trying to test GCC_WRAPPER_*
21:07 < mnemoc> add var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' '-g' on top of xorg.conf as review src.xorg.*/cmd_*
21:07 < mnemoc> and review*
21:07 < mnemoc> i was asking about the grep anyway :p
21:08 < Bart-> grep -r GCC_WRAPPER /t2/t2-trunk/
21:08 < mnemoc> /t2/t2-trunk/package
21:09 < Bart-> to late ;]
21:09 < mnemoc> you don't want to grep inside download/ and build/
21:09 < mnemoc> ccache files are also no-nice-to-grep
21:10 < sepp> or .svn noise
21:10 < mnemoc> .svn noise is harder to avoid
21:11 < mnemoc> what's the maximal common denominator between atholon and P4? pmmx? ppro? p2?
21:11 < mnemoc> athlon*
21:12 < sepp> pmmx
21:12 < mnemoc> :(
21:13 < _Ragnar_> wtf is Emerge trying to build packages that are disabled in the package list? o_o
21:13 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: -cfg ?
21:14 < mnemoc> ehm... yes
21:14 < _Ragnar_> huh? I did use -cfg
21:14 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg ignore 'O' state
21:14 < mnemoc> it this some rework
21:14 < mnemoc> to only build X deps of X (or installed) packages
21:14 < sepp> hmm i am not sure if ppro means mmx
21:15 < mnemoc> and O deps only for O (and not installed) packages
21:15 < mnemoc> it _needs_ some rework i mean
21:16 < _Ragnar_> it doesn't try '-' tho?
21:16 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: - remove the files from package list, and Emerge-Pkg use the package list
21:16 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: so '-'ed packages are never emerged
21:17 < _Ragnar_> good
21:17 < sepp> like - kde :)
21:17 < mnemoc> :)
21:17 < _Ragnar_> :)
21:17 < _Ragnar_> yea or - pam :p
21:20 < Bart-> mnemoc, you can easily check playing with gcc: gcc -S -v -Q empty.c -march=athlon
21:21 < Bart-> just change value for -march
21:29 < Bart-> these GCC_DAMN_WRAPPERS don't work or I'm too stupid to use them
21:30 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
21:37 < mnemoc> Bart-: are you looking at cmd_wrapper.txt?
21:38 < Bart-> no such file on entire hda and hdb - rlocate never lies
21:38 < mnemoc> Bart-: on build log you will only see pre-wrapped output
21:38 < mnemoc> Bart-: ls src.*/cmd*
21:38 < mnemoc> and paste here the output
21:39 < Bart-> too many lines
21:39 < mnemoc> :)
21:40 < Bart-> the only file found inside *every directory is : cmd_wrapper.log
21:40 < mnemoc> ok, .log and not .txt... my fault
21:40 < mnemoc> Bart-: tail -f cmd_wrapper.log of the current xorg build
21:42 < Bart-> I saw these files before but didn't know what's inside. Used tail -f on log stored in /var/adm/logs
21:42 < mnemoc> and what's the problem of having a second tail -f to a different file?
21:44 < Bart-> mnemoc, I think it works
21:44 < mnemoc> :)
21:45 < Bart-> I was watching the wrong file
21:45 < Bart-> thx ;]
21:45 < mnemoc> np :)
21:47 < Bart-> anyway why lohgs in /var/adm/logs are not the "final" logs?
21:47 < mnemoc> .log vs. .out vs. .err
21:47 < mnemoc> .out catch the output of the build process, as make exec them
21:48 < mnemoc> if the builds goes fine, it's moved to .log, if not to .err
21:48 < mnemoc> make has no idea about what the wrappers do... that's all behind the scene
21:50 < Bart-> it's clear now. I thought that these new flags are passed directly to make
21:51 < mnemoc> nope
21:51 < mnemoc> that's a weak way
21:51 < mnemoc> using wrappers we are sure our directions are honored
21:52 < mnemoc> and that noone will alter them later
21:52 < Bart-> clever
21:53 < mnemoc> :)
21:54 < Bart-> so the only damn thing that prevents me from damn switching to T2 is damn hanging Xorg ;[
21:55 < mnemoc> have you tried vga driver?
21:55 < mnemoc> to discard a driver issue
21:55 < Bart-> vga, vesa, nv
21:56 < mnemoc> :\
21:56 < mnemoc> /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
21:56 < Bart-> I'm occassionay able to run it and kill it normally
21:56 < Bart-> mnemoc, logs are *pretty*
21:56 < mnemoc> :(
21:56 < Bart-> the only debug I have is here: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/5a2TMA13.html
21:57 < Bart-> I'm not sure why there are -ENOTTY for non-existant file descriptors
21:58 < mnemoc> uhm
21:58 < Bart-> mine working 6.8.2 do not throw such errors
21:59 < sepp> X -novtswitch is broken in xorg
21:59 < mnemoc> Bart-: are you used the xorg.conf generated by xcfgt2 ?
21:59 < mnemoc> using*
21:59 < mnemoc> that one is very minimalistic
22:00 < Bart-> mnemoc, nope, I have minimalistic from xorgconfig
22:00 < Bart-> only few options
22:03 < Bart-> ok, switching to another kernel without initrd
22:03 < mnemoc> try the one from xcfgt2
22:04 < Bart-> brb or cu - depends of the results
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22:10 < CIA-2> amery * r15074 /trunk/package/java/eclipse/eclipse.desc: * updated eclipse (3.1.1 -> 3.1.2)
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22:26 < nzg> moin
22:26 < mnemoc> wb nzg
22:27 < nzg> hi mnemoc
22:49 < mnemoc> any hint to change the pagesize of a pdf?
22:53 < Baldzius> no hints for "Portable Document F#cker" :)
22:55 < mnemoc> using psresize cuts about 1 inch on top :(
23:24 < CIA-2> aldas * r15075 /trunk/package/develop/swi-prolog/swi-prolog.desc: * updated swi-prolog (5.4.7 -> 5.6.3)
23:35 < CIA-2> aldas * r15076 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ (5 files): * updated ndiswrapper (1.7 -> 1.8)
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