T2 IRC Log: 2006-01-24

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--- Log opened Tue Jan 24 00:00:13 2006
00:02 < CIA-2> jsaw * r15017 /trunk/package/base/mkinitrd/initrdinit.sh:
00:02 < CIA-2> * moved /dev/console etc. generation right before
00:02 < CIA-2> execution of init
00:05 * _Ragnar_ pokes jsaw
00:05 * jsaw is not here
00:06 < Baldzius> :)
00:06 < jsaw> ;)
00:06 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: ?
00:06 < _Ragnar_> what about this libtool-quirk ... can I slap that on every package that has the warning, or is there more checking involved?
00:06 < _Ragnar_> *g*
00:07 < jsaw> you can do that, but, don't commit until my test with auto-fixing of libtool files is done, please
00:08 < _Ragnar_> ah ok
00:08 < _Ragnar_> then I won't do anything atm
00:11 < jsaw> there are quite some packages, that don't need the LIBTOOL-QUIRK anymore
00:12 < jsaw> but there is also at least one package that has a so heavily outdated libtool chain (recode) that it doesn't like to be auto-fixed...
00:12 < _Ragnar_> O_O
00:15 < jsaw> and there are packages (which includes KDE), that do not use automake, but some modification of it, still, automake gets called if you change anything... then screws the makefiles *gah*
00:16 < _Ragnar_> O_O
00:16 < _Ragnar_> complain to the authors?
00:20 < jsaw> yeah, sooner or later (when I have a fully working system again...)
00:23 < _Ragnar_> ^_^
00:40 < mnemoc> rehi
00:49 < karasz> hi mnemoc
00:49 < karasz> did you had a full day?
00:56 < jsaw> 2146 builds total, 1010 completed fine, 0 with errors.
00:56 < CIA-2> aldas * r15018 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.3.5 -> 4.3.6)
00:56 < jsaw> 23 packages disabled so far
00:58 < Baldzius> jsaw: can you look at mod_python, it's failure related to bash 3.1
00:58 < Baldzius> tried to fix but failed :)
00:59 < jsaw> when my build reaches it, ok
00:59 < mnemoc> :)
00:59 < Baldzius> good :)
01:00 < Baldzius> btw take a look at mod_perl :)
01:00 < Baldzius> it compiles locally but fails on ref (chroot)
01:00 < Baldzius> :)))))))))
01:00 < Baldzius> i'll try to fix "gcl" && "esdl"
01:01 < jsaw> wait, gcl is on my list already
01:01 < Baldzius> ok then -1 to me :)
01:01 < jsaw> Baldzius: want to have diff?
01:02 < Baldzius> to test?
01:02 < jsaw> yes
01:02 < jsaw> ?
01:02 < Baldzius> sure
01:03 < CIA-2> jsaw * r15019 /trunk/package/develop/gcl/ (gcl.conf gcl.desc strict-sh.patch):
01:03 < CIA-2> * fix configure for stricter bash (untested)
01:03 < CIA-2> * copyright updates
01:03 < jsaw> Baldzius: please try --^
01:03 < Baldzius> min
01:05 < Baldzius> heh, jsaw it failed :)
01:06 < Baldzius> damn bash crap
01:11 < jsaw> also in configure?
01:11 < Baldzius> ./configure: line 2412: syntax error near unexpected token `('
01:11 < Baldzius> !> ./configure: line 2412: ` case "`( uname -sr ) 2>/dev/null`" in'
01:12 < jsaw> oh,
01:12 < jsaw> then the error is before I assume
01:12 < jsaw> case "`( uname -sr ) 2>/dev/null`" in *) echo xx;; esac
01:13 < jsaw> ^-- work perfectly
01:14 < jsaw> Baldzius: it is on line
01:14 < jsaw> system=MP-RAS-`${AWK} '{print $3}' /etc/.relid'`
01:15 < jsaw> (line 1734)
01:15 < jsaw> maybe you can correct my patch
01:15 < Baldzius> system=MP-RAS-`${AWK} '{print $3}' /etc/.relid` ?
01:15 < jsaw> yes, one quote too much
01:16 < Baldzius> iirc i tried that, didn't help
01:18 < jsaw> <-- too tired to see clearly...
01:18 < Baldzius> yeah it's late :)
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01:19 < jsaw> gonna meat the mattress in a few minutes
01:19 < jsaw> cu ;)
01:20 < Baldzius> gn8 :)
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07:22 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ rxr_ ] [ _Ragnar_]
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07:51 < _Ragnar_> attack of the clones
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08:59 < LMJ> Good morning
09:11 < owl> moin
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09:49 < rxr> re
10:02 < LMJ> hello rxr
10:03 < LMJ> ping rxr ?
10:06 < owl> moin rxr
10:08 < LMJ> moin owl
10:12 < owl> hi LMJ
10:15 < LMJ> owl, do you live in Germany ?
10:15 < owl> LMJ: yes. why?
10:15 < LMJ> brb, 2sec
10:17 < LMJ> back
10:18 < LMJ> where are usually located aeronautic companies in germany ?
10:22 < owl> aeronautic? you ask me questions... guess here in the region maybe (bavaria, arround munich)
10:24 < LMJ> Airbus related companies
10:25 < owl> airbus? puh. aehm. EADS e.g.?
10:25 < LMJ> yep
10:26 < owl> query
10:26 < LMJ> i answered to your pm
10:27 < owl> yep ;)
10:41 < jsaw> re
11:02 < rxr> pong
11:02 < rxr> hi LMJ owl jsaw
11:02 < LMJ> hello
11:02 < jsaw> hi rxr
11:02 < rxr> LMJ: I worked at pace here in berlin, those are doing CAD custom stuff for airplane interior planing ...
11:03 < rxr> LMJ: why do you ask ?
11:03 < LMJ> i applied for a linux job in france for EADS, they planned travels to Germany, i wanted to know if there is a specific aera for EADS in germany
11:05 < jsaw> LMJ: look also here: http://www.dlr.de/
11:06 < LMJ> i don't understand german ;
11:08 < valentin> moin rxr, LMJ, jsaw
11:08 < LMJ> hello valentin and jsaw ;)
11:08 < jsaw> LMJ: top menu, click English
11:09 < jsaw> hi valentin
11:09 < jsaw> hi LMJ ;)
11:10 < LMJ> yep, i found it ;)
11:10 < valentin> LMJ: there is a dlr outpost in berlin, but i do not think this too relevant
11:10 < LMJ> k
11:11 < valentin> however, if you ever make your way into this town, you're wellcome to visit me :)
11:11 < LMJ> i will keep you in touch ;)
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11:12 < LMJ> at least, to learn Hello, thanks, and so on ;)
11:32 < CIA-2> jsaw * r15021 /trunk/package/mail/thunderbird/thunderbird.conf: * fix 64bit detection for mozconfig adaption
11:38 < jsaw> the expat update was not nice ...
11:58 < Baldzius> jsaw: i had no problem with expat on x86 ref build
12:00 < jsaw> yes, on a fresh build, no problem
12:00 < jsaw> but update amidst build screws it
12:00 < jsaw> (new revision number)
12:01 < jsaw> no, eh, not revision,
12:02 < jsaw> whatever the first number is called
12:02 < jsaw> ah, new "current" number
12:06 < Baldzius> hm
12:06 < Baldzius> well for me expat works good, even updated
12:06 < jsaw> but you still have libexpat.so.0
12:06 < jsaw> which most programs will use
12:06 < jsaw> the new one is libexpat.so.1
12:08 < jsaw> Baldzius: what does "ldd /opt/qt33/uic | grep expat" say?
12:08 < jsaw> eh
12:08 < jsaw> "ldd /opt/qt33/bin/uic | grep expat"
12:10 < Baldzius> bash-3.1# ldd /opt/qt33/bin/uic | grep expat
12:10 < Baldzius> libexpat.so.1 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 (0xb6a80000)
12:10 < jsaw> so, you updated qt after expat update...
12:10 < Baldzius> can't say, don't remember :)
12:10 < jsaw> lucky you
12:11 < jsaw> whatever... I'm already rebuilding all expat dependant pkgs
12:12 < jsaw> (which includes glibc...???)
12:12 < Baldzius> hm, qt flist is dated december 7
12:12 < Baldzius> i doubt i updated qt after expat new version
12:13 < jsaw> .oO(?)
12:14 < Baldzius> now i can't say when i updated expat, because i had 2.0.0 here locally for long time
12:14 < Baldzius> only after ref build commited
12:32 < karasz> good morning to u all
12:34 < jsaw> hi karasz
12:35 < karasz> gcc fails on trunk crossbuild
12:36 < karasz> http://karasz.pastebin.ca/38340
12:40 < jsaw> what stage?
12:51 < karasz> 0
12:52 < karasz> i am on stable x86-64 and buid for PIII
13:11 < mnemoc> moin
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13:11 < morfoh> moin
13:12 < mnemoc> moin morfoh
13:13 < LMJ> moin morfoh and mnemoc
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13:13 < morfoh> hi LMJ
13:13 < mnemoc> moin master joda
13:14 < LMJ> hehe
13:14 < morfoh> wtf ... this connection is lagging
13:14 < mnemoc> you are lagging
13:20 < rxr> moin mnemoc
13:20 < rxr> moin morfoh
13:20 < morfoh> hi rxr
13:20 < mnemoc> moin rxr :)
13:21 < karasz> re
13:22 < karasz> moin mnemoc
13:22 < karasz> her kommrad
13:22 < karasz> hello rxr
13:22 < morfoh> moin karasz
13:23 < karasz> i know i missed a `r
13:23 < mnemoc> moin karasz
13:25 < jsaw> karasz: can you check if linux-header was correctly cross compiled?
13:25 < karasz> jsaw give me the instructions ..
13:26 < mnemoc> moin jsaw
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13:37 < rxr> bibber
13:38 < rxr> after days of l.l.l. (too low temperature) on my digital thermometer, it now shows just -8.3 ...
13:40 < LMJ> 11°C here ;)
13:40 < LMJ> what a cold weather ;-)
13:41 < mnemoc> today it's cold here too, just 26°C
13:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... that sounds really cold :p
13:41 < mnemoc> after a week over 35 you feel it cold :p
13:42 < rxr> -20 is fun
13:42 < rxr> did not experience that for a long time if ever
13:42 < karasz> -18 here fro 3 day now
13:42 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you do to open the doors at -20?
13:42 < karasz> i am starting to think abt laying a pipe from here to mnemoc
13:43 < mnemoc> :)
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14:02 < rxr> mnemoc: open the door ?
14:04 < valentin> mnemoc: it is quite dry here, so there is few ice on vertical surfaces
14:06 < mnemoc> rxr: we had snow just once in the last 100 years :) i was imagining the ice sealing the bottom of the doors
14:07 < mnemoc> valentin: but bellow the doors?
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14:11 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006]
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14:11 [ axion_ ] [ demian] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_ ] [ _Ragnar_]
14:11 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw_ ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sepp_]
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14:11 < rxr_> damn ap
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14:16 < valentin> mnemoc: here in the city, there is no such thing as snow on the pavement - it is pure highly compressed ice
14:17 < mnemoc> ic
14:20 < jsaw_> hi mnemoc
14:20 < jsaw_> karasz: eh, not idea *g*
14:21 < rxr_> not much right now anyway ...
14:21 < jsaw_> karasz: eg. asm-x86_64 present?
14:22 < jsaw_> gotta go, cu later
14:22 < mnemoc> native pure-dietlibc builds are fun :)
14:22 < mnemoc> cu jsaw_
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14:39 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006]
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14:45 * rxr wonders how a linux based product can become so broken as this Cisco AP ...
14:51 < LMJ> lol
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15:00 < mnemoc> damn headache... it seems i'll fall into faint
15:00 * mnemoc going for sugar
15:17 < karasz> mnemoc: you should try choickolate instead of sugar
15:17 < karasz> it has more nutrients and proteines than plain sugar
15:19 < mnemoc> i'll try, the sugar did nothing :\
15:19 < mnemoc> i don't feel the hands... hate this feeling
15:21 < rxr> mnemoc: .oO
15:21 * rxr off to uni again
15:21 < rxr> cu later
15:49 < mnemoc> cu rxr
15:50 < mnemoc> karasz: yes, chocolate seems to have helped
15:50 < karasz> :D
15:50 < karasz> good
15:50 < karasz> but nevertheless you should check you out
15:51 < karasz> i am dlding 2.1.1 minimal pmmx
15:51 < karasz> when it will be installed i should svn ,,,,/tags/2.1.1 ?
15:52 < mnemoc> nah, 2.1-stable or 2.1-test
15:53 < karasz> diferences between stable and test?
15:53 < karasz> i mean the major ones...
15:54 < karasz> why did you forked out 2.1-test?
15:54 < mnemoc> to test some updates and merges
15:54 < mnemoc> i can't just drop gcc-3.4.5 into 2.1-stable
15:54 < mnemoc> or openssl 0.9.7i
15:54 < karasz> ohum
15:54 < karasz> i see
15:55 < karasz> i guess the only thing that is missing from stable is qmail-scan
15:55 < mnemoc> even if they claim to be 100% backward compatible they can produce important regressions
15:55 < karasz> which you adeed to trunk iirc
15:55 < mnemoc> karasz: qmail-scanner package is not ready for the stable branch
15:55 < karasz> i understand that
15:55 < mnemoc> but you can locally svn cp it
15:56 < karasz> so should i go with stable or test...
15:56 < karasz> that is the question
15:56 < mnemoc> depends :)
15:56 < karasz> but i guess i'll go stable
15:56 < karasz> it will be my webserver
15:56 < karasz> runnin 24/7
15:56 < mnemoc> 2.1-test will get 64bit-related merges soon
15:57 < karasz> webserver will not be 64
15:57 < karasz> it is an PIII
15:57 < mnemoc> 2.1-stable is fine
15:57 < karasz> i guess i'll go with stable
15:57 < karasz> so dld 2.1.1 pmmx stable than emerge stuff i need
15:58 < karasz> like lighttpd and qmail related stuff
15:58 < mnemoc> if you don't need X, that's fine
15:58 < karasz> no X
15:58 < karasz> i will be just a web-mail server
15:58 < karasz> no X at all
15:58 < karasz> the only GUI will be mc
15:59 < karasz> huh, i feel reliefed
15:59 < karasz> i can do stuff in parallel
16:00 < mnemoc> is that wrong?
16:00 < karasz> i was very annoyed by the perspective that i will have to do a webserver change online
16:00 < karasz> but now i can do it in parallel
16:01 < mnemoc> pound in front can help you to do switches and cheap load balancing
16:01 < karasz> testing stuff and when it is 100% only change the IP's
16:01 < karasz> nah, that is not the case
16:01 < karasz> i managed to get a silicon to replace my webserver
16:02 < karasz> so they will run in parallel until I decide that the new one is ok
16:02 < mnemoc> ok
17:37 < morfoh> re
17:38 < mnemoc> wb mofo
17:38 < mnemoc> h
17:38 < mnemoc> err
17:38 < mnemoc> morfoh
17:38 < morfoh> s:)
17:41 < karasz> hello kommrad
17:42 < morfoh> hey karasz-san
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17:50 < madtux> hi
17:51 < mnemoc> wb madtux
17:51 < madtux> thx mnemoc
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18:35 < Bart-> hi
18:35 < mnemoc> wb Bart-
18:35 < Bart-> anyone is interested in article about T2 published in polish Linux+ magazine?
18:36 < mnemoc> sure
18:36 < Bart-> grab a copy: http://www.smlw.pl/~wytnijto/t2/pdf/t2_polish.pdf
18:37 < mnemoc> transfering....
18:37 < Bart-> it is in polish of course
18:38 < mnemoc> expectable :)
18:39 < Bart-> this mag is also available in UE
18:39 < madtux> heck if i can understand the chilean i think i can pretty much understand any other lang no matter how complicated it is
18:40 * madtux hides quickly
18:40 < mnemoc> thanks Bart-, downloaded fine
18:40 < mnemoc> madtux: tico is worse than any other spanish-like language
18:40 < madtux> mnemoc, talk to the hand :)
18:41 < mnemoc> madtux: did you see the author of that polish article?
18:42 < morfoh> .oO( but does anybody knew that keinek is able to write in polish ? )o
18:42 < madtux> mnemoc, yeah your boyfriend
18:42 < mnemoc> does anybody knew that keinek is able to write?
18:42 < mnemoc> o_O
18:42 < morfoh> madtux: :)
18:42 < morfoh> madtux: hi btw :)
18:42 < madtux> i though he used his hands stricktly for masturbation i am proud of the little one
18:42 < madtux> morfoh, greetings :)
18:43 < mnemoc> O_o
18:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: from where does madtux knows the preferences of keinek ?
18:43 < mnemoc> morfoh: personal experiences afaik
18:44 < madtux> morfoh, he once messed up and thought he was talking to mnemoc on private while he was a on a public chan
18:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... I think so ... :)
18:44 < madtux> morfoh, this guys are just shameless
18:44 < morfoh> madtux: what did he said ?
18:44 < morfoh> :)
18:44 < madtux> ok i think i will get back to training now before mnemoc kills me
18:45 < madtux> morfoh, ask demian he knows
18:45 < mnemoc> uhm
18:46 < Bart-> mnemoc, jsaw_ , rxr: problem with booting t2-trunk is IMO neither udev nor runit related
18:47 < Bart-> mnemoc, jsaw_ , rxr: sbin/initrdinit:52, udevstart creates devices in /dev as expected, lots of then
18:47 < mnemoc> Bart-: paste?
18:48 < Bart-> mnemoc, what? I can paste init.log, here it is: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/IVCPaz41.html
18:48 < morfoh> f* lag
18:48 < karasz> O_o
18:48 < karasz> and again O_o
18:49 < mnemoc> Bart-: is dev/console created ?
18:49 < morfoh> I hate p2p users ...
18:49 < Bart-> mnemoc, jsaw_ , rxr: a few lines below udevstart (which works!), rootfs is created and devices are moved to /rootf/dev
18:50 < karasz> i tried to emerge mc on stable and guess what...
18:50 < Bart-> mnemoc, yes
18:50 < mnemoc> karasz: failed?
18:50 < karasz> Downloading xorg:download/mirror/X/X11R6.8.2-src.tar.bz2 ...
18:50 < karasz> ???
18:50 < mnemoc> karasz: -deps=none :)
18:50 < karasz> i knew that now it is runnin with deps none
18:50 < mnemoc> karasz: autodeps are everywhere too greedy
18:50 < karasz> but still
18:50 < mnemoc> ?
18:50 < karasz> a whole Xorg for mc...
18:51 < mnemoc> because on a reference build mc likes to have xorg libraries
18:51 < karasz> but it is not gnomes mc
18:51 < karasz> it is the lighter one
18:51 < karasz> anyway...
18:51 < mnemoc> blame the author, not me
18:52 < karasz> I am not blaming anyone here
18:52 < mnemoc> dependencies are not hardcoded, they are detected on reference builds
18:52 < karasz> just express my wonder...
18:52 < karasz> ok
18:52 < mnemoc> -deps=none
18:52 < Bart-> mnemoc, jsaw_ , rxr: so /dev is empty, everything sits in /rootfs/dev/*. Then exec switch_root /rootfs $init should (as I think) run init telling it to use /rootfs as / but init complains that there are no devices in /dev
18:52 < karasz> yup
18:53 < Bart-> bots, runit-init and sysv init crash for the same reason - no devices available in /dev
18:53 < Bart-> *both
18:53 < mnemoc> uhm
18:55 < Bart-> so I suppose, there can be something wrong with switch_root
18:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: you are more involved on 2.2 peculiarities, ideas?
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19:00 < morfoh_> mnemoc: can you kick morfoh ?
19:00 < morfoh_> operator ...
19:01 < mnemoc> ghost him
19:01 < mnemoc> kicking would return you your nick
19:01 < mnemoc> wouldn't
19:02 -!- mode/#t2 [+o morfoh_] by ChanServ
19:02 <@morfoh_> mnemoc: what do I have to do ?
19:02 < mnemoc> /msg nickserv help ghost
19:03 <@morfoh_> mnemoc: thanx ;)
19:03 < mnemoc> yw operator
19:03 <@morfoh_> mnemoc: I mean ... stank you very much :)
19:04 <@morfoh_> hmmm ... I had to wait minutes to get a prompt on a remote shell :/
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19:23 < misl> hi folks
19:24 < mnemoc> hi misl
19:38 < rxr> re
19:39 < rxr> mnemoc: is it normal, that I can not paste into OOo from other applications on my screen? such as kmail, konqueror, ... ?
19:39 < mnemoc> i can paste to gtk apps, but i have never tried to paste to kde apps
19:40 < rxr> not paste to
19:40 < mnemoc> rxr: did it build with kde support?
19:40 < rxr> pas from into OOo ...
19:40 < rxr> paste out of ooo seems to work
19:40 < mnemoc> uhm
19:40 < rxr> the line before should: not paste from, into OOo ...
19:41 < rxr> I built with kde support I think
19:41 < rxr> but kde uses the normal X selection stuff
19:41 < rxr> works just fine between gnome and kde stuff
19:41 * mnemoc starting ooo
19:42 < mnemoc> i just pasted from thunderbird to ooo without problems
19:43 < mnemoc> and from ooo to thunderbird
19:43 < mnemoc> but i don't have k* to test :\
19:48 < rxr> ok starting moozilla
19:49 < rxr> hm - from mozilla it does indeed work :-(((
19:57 < demian> hi
19:58 < demian> and bye
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20:27 < rxr> http://openstudio.media.mit.edu/collection/piece?doc=92d5971807824e62010812296cbb0ee2
20:27 < rxr> ^- aterpiller ?
20:30 < mnemoc> timeout :(
20:31 < mnemoc> millepede... quite bork-shaped :)
21:04 < rxr> hehe
21:04 < rxr> so - n8 all
21:04 < rxr> damn uni crap
21:04 < rxr> have fun mnemoc
21:07 < Baldzius> gn8 rxr
21:07 < Baldzius> re :)
21:07 < Baldzius> how morfoh _got_ so high? :)
21:08 < karasz> black magic Baldzius :p
21:08 < Baldzius> :)
21:09 < Bart-> me\ ofF
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21:12 <@Baldzius> X-files :)
21:13 <@Baldzius> !op all :)
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21:43 < CIA-2> jsaw * r15022 /trunk/package/textproc/xmlstarlet/ (4 files):
21:43 < CIA-2> * instead of adding libgcrypt.a, remove static linking of xml libs
21:43 < CIA-2> * copyright update
21:51 < CIA-2> aldas * r15023 /trunk/package/develop/gcl/strict-sh.patch: * appended gcl/strict-sh.patch to work (tested)
21:52 < Baldzius> jsaw: wanna test -- ^^ ? :)
21:53 < Baldzius> works what you mentioned yesterday
21:54 < jsaw_> Baldzius: svn up :)
21:55 < jsaw_> eh :(, 957 more packages to go until I hit gcl
21:55 < Baldzius> :)))
21:56 < jsaw_> :p
21:57 < Baldzius> balsa failed on your build?
21:58 < jsaw_> yep
21:58 < Baldzius> what do you think about error?
21:58 < jsaw_> .err already removed (after adding "O balsa" to pkgsel) ...
21:59 < jsaw_> :/
21:59 < jsaw_> (low fixing priority...)
22:00 < Baldzius> 'k last thing, what do you think about marking all those old-outdated(unmaintained) packages as 0 (optional)?
22:01 < jsaw_> hmmm
22:01 < jsaw_> actually I would prefer some more templates for generic
22:02 < jsaw_> generic w/o template should build what's there.
22:02 < jsaw_> or we should move those packages to attic
22:03 < jsaw_> brb (coffee)
22:03 < Baldzius> whatever, just don't build them on ref
22:03 < Baldzius> i hate them :)
22:03 < jsaw_> hmmm, propose it to the ML
22:03 < mnemoc> attic is for broken but good-to-keep packages
22:04 < jsaw_> O.O
22:04 < mnemoc> to fix some day
22:04 < mnemoc> :)
22:04 < Baldzius> then we need broken_attic :)
22:04 < mnemoc> attic is always broken :p
22:04 < Baldzius> or attic2
22:04 < mnemoc> that's why those packages are there
22:05 < jsaw_> I thought ppl keep stuff on the attic only for remembrance...
22:05 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
22:05 < jsaw> ok, coffee, brb
22:05 < mnemoc> remembrance to fix them some day
22:05 < mnemoc> if someone is interested :)
22:06 < mnemoc> if the packages are not good-to-keep just svn rm them
22:10 < Baldzius> hm, in that case i svn rm'ed at least 30 packages :)
22:10 < Baldzius> well maybe less
22:11 < Baldzius> 1/2 of them - games
22:12 < Baldzius> s/i/i would/
22:14 < jsaw> mnemoc: rather "oh look, we used that in the good ol' times"
22:14 < Baldzius> jsaw: looks like i have patch for mod_python, can you check why mod_perl fails on chroot
22:15 < jsaw> I will I will. But remember, I'm at [P] 155.000
22:17 < Baldzius> in that case /me investigate esdl <- last package on my _todo_
22:17 < mnemoc> jsaw: but if we don't plan to fix them ever, why to keep them?
22:17 < mnemoc> jsaw: just for the fun of claiming to have had them once?
22:19 < jsaw> mnemoc: that was a joke (though with a grain of truth)
22:22 < mnemoc> :)
22:23 < mnemoc> i'm just asking about that grain of truth, ever- and ever+ limits on 'fix this package' plans
22:24 < jsaw> mnemoc: we simply have to do to many other things than to fix stuff that goes to attic folder
22:24 < karasz> re
22:24 < mnemoc> jsaw: ack, highly low priority
22:24 < mnemoc> .oO( highly low?? )o
22:24 < jsaw> :)
22:26 < jsaw> so, I'd say, some packages that are low priority, and do not build, may well be appended to attic, as attic is basically a ultra-low priority folder
22:26 < jsaw> Baldzius: just send your proposals to the ML
22:26 < mnemoc> jsaw: that's how i see it
22:26 < jsaw> if nobody responds, move 'em out of the way, but only if you are sure, these packages are _old_
22:27 < mnemoc> ack
22:27 < mnemoc> deprecated
22:27 < Baldzius> 'k. got it :)
22:28 < mnemoc> wb kasak
22:28 < jsaw> yeah, hi bihadzs
22:28 < jsaw> eh karasz
22:29 < mnemoc> :)
22:30 < karasz> eh?
22:30 < karasz> kasak?
22:30 * karasz .oO (what was goin on since I left)Oo.
22:30 < jsaw> karasz: don't mind
22:31 < jsaw> mnemoc smoked to much,
22:31 < jsaw> and jsaw tries to be funny
22:31 < mnemoc> :)
22:31 < karasz> mnemoc: ??
22:31 < karasz> you smoke?
22:32 < jsaw> 23:31 < jsaw> and jsaw tries to be funny
22:32 < jsaw> karasz: ----^
22:32 < karasz> doh...
22:32 < mnemoc> karasz: don't take non technical stuff said here seriusly
22:32 < karasz> :p
22:33 < karasz> and who told you that i do? :p
22:33 < mnemoc> good :(
22:33 < mnemoc> :)
22:33 < karasz> anyway, returnin' to technical stuff, if I may
22:33 < jsaw> .oO(that means I should take technical stuff said here seriously)
22:33 < jsaw> let's talk about cold fusion
22:34 < karasz> xorg is haunting me...
22:34 < mnemoc> jsaw: your logic is failed
22:34 < karasz> quite much packs claim that they need xorg and freetype and so
22:34 < mnemoc> jsaw: !tech -> !serious doesn't say anything about tech
22:34 < karasz> i know -deps=none, but that is too radical
22:35 < jsaw> mnemoc: :p
22:35 < jsaw> .oO(my hopes have been destroyed)
22:35 < jsaw> karasz: example?
22:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: hey, that's just uncertain... not a _no_
22:37 < karasz> jsaw: i do not know much abt cold fusion, but if you can make it gimme a cal, we'll think of something :p
22:37 * jsaw had enough of quantum mechanics for at least another month
22:37 < jsaw> so, don't talk about uncertainty...
22:37 < mnemoc> :p
22:37 < mnemoc> jsaw: sorry
22:37 < jsaw> karasz: k
22:38 * jsaw is delving into the lab
22:38 * karasz is waitin' on jsaw and thinkin' abt a pile of money ....
22:40 < karasz> emerge postgresql, openjade comes along O_o
22:40 < mnemoc> hey jsaw, where do you think you are going?
22:40 < karasz> mnemoc: let jsaw do his stuff so i can became rich ;D
22:40 < mnemoc> karasz: jade bindings probably
22:41 < jsaw> karasz: give -deps=none a try. I think, these packages only include editors
22:41 < mnemoc> karasz: nah, he is the jailed brain... not the money earner
22:41 < jsaw> mnemoc: not sure. For now, I'll stay another two years here in the lab.
22:41 < karasz> jailed brain is good
22:41 < karasz> lemme worry about money makin' :p
22:42 < mnemoc> jsaw: you don't sound happy about that
22:42 < jsaw> mnemoc: good intuition... and that w/o seeing my face!
22:43 * karasz in background
22:43 < karasz> but before that
22:43 < karasz> mnemoc: do you plan to stick around?
22:43 < mnemoc> stick where?
22:44 < karasz> around, as in do you plan to stay in #T2 today... and if yes for about how long
22:44 < mnemoc> jsaw: i'm not used to see faces
22:44 < jsaw> mnemoc: yeah, if I want to stay in science, I have to go abroad for about two years, but my family balks at it
22:45 < jsaw> karasz: mnemoc is usually here until he drops to bed...
22:45 < mnemoc> jsaw: what about decent work hours?
22:45 < karasz> usualy being the main word here...
22:45 < mnemoc> karasz: i'll ride home in 30 minutes, then i'll return after 1h, and stay for another 3-4h
22:45 * karasz wth i had my coffe so what is wrong???
22:46 < mnemoc> jsaw: or working until 6am is part of the job?
22:46 < karasz> ok than i'll catch you later about qmail...
22:46 < jsaw> mnemoc: decent work hours? huh, did I ever talk about that?
22:46 < jsaw> mnemoc: no, I leave around 1am currently
22:46 < jsaw> mnemoc: still trying to shift more into the day
22:46 < mnemoc> jsaw: late enough for your daughters
22:47 < jsaw> I'm home from 5-6pm to about 10pm
22:47 < jsaw> so enough time for my family
22:47 < mnemoc> i envy you
22:47 < jsaw> that's why I want to stay in science
22:48 < mnemoc> go to the lab then :)
22:48 < jsaw> nobody cares when you're in the lab
22:48 < jsaw> just, the work has to be done...
22:48 * jsaw is in the lab
22:48 < mnemoc> :p
22:48 < jsaw> (it's just 5min from home, so you never notice unless I explicitly state it)
22:49 < mnemoc> ack
22:50 < mnemoc> i see my daughters about 70m per day :\
22:50 < jsaw> :/
22:50 < mnemoc> awake i mean
22:50 < jsaw> :(
22:51 < mnemoc> you can't imagine how much that hurts
22:51 < jsaw> honestly, I can't
22:54 < mnemoc> well... soon it will hurt more
22:56 < jsaw> O.O
22:56 < jsaw> how many month?
22:57 < mnemoc> minimal 5, if i'm lucky 10, if not... i don't know
22:58 < jsaw> have to change work place?
22:58 < mnemoc> yep
22:59 < mnemoc> but it's something i must do
23:11 < CIA-2> aldas * r15024 /trunk/package/python/mod_python/ (bash-31.patch mod_python.desc): * added mod_python/bash-31.patch
23:12 < Baldzius> that's sad :(
23:13 < mnemoc> doh, i got distracted... i should have parted to home 15 minutes ago.... bbl
23:13 < mnemoc> cu :)
23:14 < Baldzius> drive safe :)
23:14 < mnemoc> ride :)
23:14 < mnemoc> bye ,-)
23:14 < Baldzius> heh, whatever :)
23:44 < jsaw> hmm, I think, I'm tired
23:50 < jsaw> cu later
23:50 < Baldzius> cu
23:54 < CIA-2> aldas * r15025 /trunk/package/filesystem/xfsprogs/ (autoconf.patch buildmacros.patch xfsprogs.conf xfsprogs.desc): * updated xfsprogs (2.7.3 -> 2.7.11)
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