T2 IRC Log: 2006-01-22
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--- Log opened Sun Jan 22 00:00:01 2006
00:04 < mnemoc> re
00:08 < Baldzius> wb mnemoc - tour de france champion :)
00:09 < mnemoc> o_O
00:09 < CIA-2> aldas * r14961 /trunk/package/network/liferea/liferea.desc: * updated liferea (1.0 -> 1.0.1)
00:09 < Baldzius> so it takes an hour on bike?
00:10 < Baldzius> for me it was 15 min -> 5 km
00:34 < mnemoc> 8-9km
00:34 < mnemoc> morfoh: i just noticed you screwed dcc checksum
00:36 < mnemoc> -[D] 3422698700 dcc-dccd-1.3.5.tar.Z http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/source/
00:36 < mnemoc> +[D] 1237747109 dcc-dccd-1.3.5.tar.Z !http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/source/old/dcc-1.3.5.tar.Z
00:36 < Baldzius> looks like morfoh drank too much beer :)
00:36 < mnemoc> :)
00:37 < mnemoc> Baldzius: but i get a shower before re-plugging myself
00:39 < morfoh> .oO
00:40 < Baldzius> what is the lowest temp in chile ?
00:40 < Baldzius> in a year
00:40 < morfoh> Baldzius: I'll never drink too much beer :p
00:40 < Baldzius> whole
00:40 < Baldzius> :)
00:40 < morfoh> Baldzius: but I could open yet another one :p
00:40 < mnemoc> Baldzius: chile is *large*, lot of different weathers
00:41 < Baldzius> mnemoc: where you live
00:41 < Baldzius> :)
00:41 < Baldzius> your _base_
00:41 < mnemoc> lowest in winter? -2,-5
00:41 < morfoh> yeah ... wb master biker :p
00:41 < Baldzius> oh , i thougt you can bike all year :)
00:41 < mnemoc> thx master mirror-screwer
00:41 < Baldzius> non-stop
00:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've never pushed sth. wrong to a mirror ...
00:42 < mnemoc> Baldzius: there is lot of people how go to work on bike daily
00:42 < mnemoc> morfoh: on 14053 you did
00:43 < Baldzius> in vilnius i had season from may-october
00:43 < morfoh> Baldzius: what temperature does your env have in .lt already ? -15 ?
00:43 < Baldzius> morfoh: when i was outside later at day it was -20
00:43 < morfoh> guess we'll get at least -15 next week
00:43 < Baldzius> now i guess it can be -25
00:44 < mnemoc> Baldzius: but you all have central heating systems :)
00:44 < morfoh> Baldzius: yeah ... we all know the dry and very cold "stream" from sibiria :)
00:44 < Baldzius> mnemoc: no central heating in village :)
00:45 < mnemoc> :)
00:46 < morfoh> Baldzius: tiled stove ?
00:46 < Baldzius> ^^-- what's that?
00:47 < morfoh> Baldzius: an oven ... made with ceramic plates
00:48 < morfoh> Baldzius: you should know ... "djed maros"
00:48 < morfoh> :)
00:48 < Baldzius> morfoh: oh it was, now it's mordern stove :)
00:48 < Baldzius> :))))))
00:48 < Baldzius> maroz
00:48 < Baldzius> ded maroz
00:49 < morfoh> hmmm ... I'm sorry for you. I thought you still sleep on top of a tiled stove :)
00:49 < morfoh> Baldzius: I just wrote it how I spell it :p
00:49 * morfoh is lacking a cyrillic keyboard
00:49 < Baldzius> hehehehe tiled stoves are popular in russia
00:50 < Baldzius> never seen that ^^ in lithuania
00:50 < morfoh> Baldzius: really ?
00:50 < Baldzius> yeah, maybe long long time ago
00:50 < mnemoc> pictures?
00:50 < morfoh> my first flat here in Berlin had one ... :)
00:51 < Baldzius> oh i thought you are talking about those huge stoves
00:51 < morfoh> it was nice ... but a pain to get all the wood and coal 5 floors upstairs
00:51 < Baldzius> on which top can sleep all family
00:52 < morfoh> Baldzius: hmmm ... never saw such a big one
00:52 < morfoh> Baldzius: at least not in real ... just on pictures during russian lessons at school :p
00:52 < CIA-2> aldas * r14962 /trunk/package/develop/git/ (git.conf git.desc): * updated git (1.1.0 -> 1.1.4)
00:52 < CIA-2> aldas * r14963 /trunk/package/develop/cogito/ (cogito.conf cogito.desc): * updated cogito (0.16.2 -> 0.16.4)
00:52 < CIA-2> amery * r14964 /trunk/package/mail/dcc/dcc.desc: * updated dcc (1.3.20 -> 1.3.25)
00:53 < morfoh> anyway ... I never screwed up the checksum
00:53 < mnemoc> you changed the checksum of a file
00:54 * morfoh is not guilty <--- please write it down into the protocol
00:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I know, and in fact we talked about it when I commited the change
00:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: we talk about the filename change, not the checksum change
00:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: checksum is not even mentioned on commit message
00:55 < morfoh> .oO
00:56 < mnemoc> New Revision: 14053
00:56 < mnemoc> Log: * fixed the download location due to some changes on the upstream server
00:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah .. I see I see ... keep on blaming me :p
00:56 < mnemoc> svn blame does it :)
00:57 < morfoh> guess I should never commit again wgile having such a pedantic stable tree maintainer :p
00:57 < Baldzius> :)
00:58 < mnemoc> i haven't say a word about that commit message which doesn't even say which package is it fixing
00:58 * morfoh should better concentrate on commiting a beer
00:58 < mnemoc> :)
00:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: you're pedantic
00:58 < morfoh> :)
00:59 < mnemoc> who? Baldzius ?
01:00 < CIA-2> amery * r14965 /branches/2.1-test/package/mail/dcc/dcc.desc: * fixed dcc checksum screwed on 14053
01:00 < Baldzius> what Baldzius ? :)
01:00 < morfoh> guess I should hunt owl the "kratzbuerste" on you :p
01:00 * mnemoc aksing leo
01:01 < morfoh> Baldzius: don't worry ... he knows quite well who is pedantic :)
01:01 < mnemoc> clifford :)
01:01 < Baldzius> :)
01:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: netrunner was talking sth different some days ago :p
01:02 < mnemoc> yes? tell me more
01:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: grep the logs ..... it was quite interesting to follow the "conversation" between rxr and him :)
01:03 < mnemoc> day?
01:03 < morfoh> you can ask questions ...
01:03 < mnemoc> when was it?
01:03 < morfoh> 2 or 3 days ago, maybe 4 ... dunno exactly
01:04 < morfoh> and poor papa valentin tried to "quiet" the situation
01:05 < CIA-2> amery * r14966 /branches/2.1/package/mail/dcc/dcc.desc: * merged 14965 from 2.1-test branch: fixed dcc checksum screwed on 14053
01:05 < morfoh> ohhhh! well "formed" commit message :p
01:07 < mnemoc> bzgrep 'netrun.*cliff' \#t2.01-* <--- no matches
01:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: just grep for netrun ... cliff* wasn't mentioned I think ...
01:09 < mnemoc> #t2.01-15.log.bz2
01:10 < CIA-2> aldas * r14967 /trunk/package/filesystem/dvd+rwtools/dvd+rwtools.desc: * updated dvd+rwtools (5.21.4.10.8 -> 6.0)
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01:22 < mnemoc> afaics rxr released a lot of holded ranting
01:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: so you found it :)
01:24 < CIA-2> aldas * r14968 /trunk/package/games/rocksndiamonds/ (4 files): * updated rocksndiamonds (3.1.1 -> 3.1.2)
01:25 < Baldzius> gn8 guys :)
01:25 < morfoh> mnemoc: seems that he unfortunately gets stressed a bit with some topics
01:25 < morfoh> gn8 Baldzius :)
01:25 < morfoh> have fun on your stove "ded maroz" :)
01:25 < mnemoc> gn8 Baldzius
01:26 < Baldzius> :))
01:26 < mnemoc> sensitive topic
01:26 < morfoh> yes ... I can imagine
01:27 < morfoh> but I'm not in the position to talk about what's wrong and what's right
01:28 < morfoh> but I had the feeling that he was a bit too "strong"
01:28 < mnemoc> ack
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07:32 < rxr_> re
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07:32 < rxr_> berlin freezed over - my digital thermometer does just show lll, indicating the temperature is too low to display ...
07:33 < rxr_> from -9.99 degree on it shows this ...
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08:06 < rxr> btw. -14 degree here
08:07 < rxr> tomorrow morning the news report claims we might hit the low at -18 degree !!!
08:07 < rxr> seldom had such a low temperature in my life so far here in germany ...
08:10 < CIA-2> rene * r14969 /trunk/package/network/aoetools/aoetools.desc: * updated aoetools (8 -> 9)
08:11 < CIA-2> rene * r14970 /trunk/package/base/hal/hal.desc: * updated hal (0.5.5.1 -> 0.5.6)
08:12 < CIA-2> rene * r14971 /trunk/package/gnome2/glib/glib.desc: * updated glib (2.8.5 -> 2.8.6)
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08:17 < rxr_> == 01/22/06 05:21:59 =[9]=> Finished building package ooo.
08:17 < rxr_> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 6.98% (683 hits, 9100 misses)
08:17 < rxr_> how I hate the later
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08:33 < mipe> sane-backends fail due to mktexfmt does not find tcfmfg.map and fmtutil.cnf
08:34 < mipe> also what is preferred for auctex... it cannot build for emacs and xemacs. so we need to remove one of the --with-emacs or --with-xemacs
08:38 < rxr> hm
08:38 < rxr> never seen that
08:38 < mipe> and where has /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb gone on X11R7? or am i missing some package
08:38 < rxr> but disabling some emacs junk in the sane-backsnds is fine
08:38 < rxr> rgb package?
08:38 < mipe> i have it installed
08:38 < rxr> it is in /usr/X11/share/X11/rgb now IIRC
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09:12 < CIA-2> rene * r14972 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone_mod_general.sh:
09:12 < CIA-2> * fixed stone date setup to display an error when setting of the new date
09:12 < CIA-2> failed, usually due invalid timespec ...
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09:15 < LMJ> Good morning the chan
09:28 < misl> morning folks
09:28 < LMJ> hello mipe
09:28 < LMJ> misl **
09:28 < LMJ> ;)
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09:29 < misl_is_not_mipe> :)
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09:29 < misl> I wonder why we always get mixed up :)
09:33 < LMJ> hehe
09:33 < LMJ> hello mi**
09:33 < mipe> heh
09:34 < misl> hey misl arrived too ;-)
09:34 < misl> morning mipe
09:36 < rxr> so - finally - 32bit ooo with all the needed 32bit libs injected into my 64bit subnotebook's userspace ..
09:37 < LMJ> moin rxr
09:37 < misl> rxr: does it work too?
09:38 < rxr> yes
09:38 < rxr> starts editing saved
09:38 < rxr> now I restart load
09:38 < rxr> reopend a .odt works as well
09:38 < rxr> yuche
09:39 < rxr> moin misl LMJ ,-)
09:39 < rxr> I upload a ooo and 32bit compat tarball ...
09:39 < misl> morning and congrats rxr
09:42 < rxr> when I'm at such ugly stuff I could copy wine over as well ,-)
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09:51 < rxr_> heh: "it was made. It's hard to defend the massive investment on Itanium via any standard means of measurement. In the end, the company has decided that only riddles can save it now."
09:51 < rxr_> ^- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/20/intel_swope_riddle/
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09:52 < Bart-> hi
09:56 < CIA-2> rene * r14973 /trunk/package/graphic/libjpeg/ (5 files): * fixed ibjpeg for lib64 and copyright regen
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10:01 < misl> hi Bart-
10:02 < Bart-> anybody's using udev from trunk? seems to be dead
10:03 < rxr_> I used the nearly latest udev
10:03 < rxr_> but I have not yet tested Baldzius' last update
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10:19 < misl> does anyone has a clue why sysfsutils has 2 libdirs? /lib64 and /usr/lib64
10:19 < Bart-> ok,works, /sys was improperly mounted and udevstart complained
10:24 < rxr> misl: because some of those are needed at bootup and the .la files are in /usr/lib64 or so
10:24 < rxr> hm . ooo tarball quite large
10:24 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/ooo/binaries/
10:24 < Bart-> now I wonder how to install strace package
10:24 * rxr back to real (uni) work .-(
10:25 < misl> Bart-: do you want to install it in a running t2 system?
10:26 < Bart-> ringth now I have chroot only with binary 'strace' from other system
10:27 < misl> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none -cfg your-config strace
10:27 < misl> that is to inject it into a running system
10:28 < misl> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg your-config -job 5-strace
10:39 < misl> A t2 distro for this would be nice
10:39 < misl> http://www.irextechnologies.com/downloads/Productleaflet-Iliad.pdf
10:46 < rxr> is this alsu using e-paper like the sony one recently announced ?
10:47 < Bart-> misl, there is no network inside chroot and doing this outside returns ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 310: /usr/bin/time: No such file or directory
10:47 < misl> rxr:yes
10:47 < rxr> misl: hm - i think it has at least a slightly lower resolution than the sony one ...
10:48 < rxr> misl: maybe you could convince this company to work together with t2 (just releasing some specs to create a linux port?)
10:48 < rxr> and thus get a mssive pr boost over sony for having open source alternative available for custom applications and such?
10:48 < misl> rxr: :) I can try
10:48 < Bart-> nevermind, i'll try to setup network first ;]
10:51 < rxr> "Although the business focus of iRex Technologies is Business-to-Business solutions, we will also make our product available for individuals, who can order via our iRex Technologies web retail. (April 2006) "
10:51 < rxr> misl: maybe with b2b focus they might even hand us the specs needed for a linux kernel port ...
10:51 < rxr> for "custom business applications"
10:52 < misl> rxr: we could offer them some sort of a developers kit for the device
10:53 < rxr> misl: guess they have something like that inhouse already ...
10:53 < rxr> guess we must underline the importance of a free development kit to accelerate their hardware sales or so ...
10:53 < rxr> and easy porting of existing linux code
10:53 < misl> :)
10:54 < misl> I think we are on the same wave length :)
10:55 < misl> I gotta go now, doing some family quality time
10:56 < rxr> have fun, greetings and cu
10:57 * rxr rebuilding qt since my ooo-32-compat wiped it (no lib64 yet - sigh) while reading theory ...
10:57 < rxr> bbl
11:01 < misl> cu all later
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11:45 < CIA-2> rene * r14974 /trunk/package/graphic/libpng/ (libpng.conf libpng.desc makefile.patch): * fixed libpng for lib64
11:46 < CIA-2> rene * r14975 /trunk/package/kde/qt/ (6 files):
11:46 < CIA-2> * fixed qt for lib64 (basically, has some plugin path hardcoded or so
11:46 < CIA-2> it seems)
11:58 < CIA-2> rene * r14976 /trunk/package/graphic/libmng/ (libmng.conf libmng.desc): * fixed libmng for lib64
12:01 < rxr> ouhm - untarring ooo crippled more of my system then I first thought ...
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12:46 < rxr> hi morfoh
12:46 < morfoh> hey rxr :)
12:47 < morfoh> rxr: how is it ?
12:49 < rxr> uni work, no fun
12:55 < morfoh> oh! poor guy ...
13:09 < rxr> thanks
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13:46 < nzg> moin
13:55 < owl> hi nzg
13:55 < nzg> moin owl
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14:01 < misl> hi folks
14:02 < nzg> moin misl
14:07 < rxr_> re
14:07 -!- You're now known as rxr
14:09 < misl> rxr: ping
14:09 < rxr> poing
14:10 < misl> rxr: I think the Iliad is superiour to the sony one :)
14:10 < misl> Iliad has USB, Compact Flash and SD memory card slots
14:11 < misl> as well as wired and wireless lan support
14:12 < misl> can display XHTML and has a touch sensor with stylus
14:12 < misl> 1024x768 compared to the sony 800x600
14:12 < rxr> misl: oh
14:13 < rxr> go go, let's get the spec and port t2 onto it ,-)
14:13 < misl> http://www.irextechnologies.com/downloads/Productleaflet-Iliad.pdf
14:13 < misl> versus
14:13 < misl> http://products.sel.sony.com/pa/PRS/reader_specs.html
14:13 < misl> yeah, go go misl :)
14:14 < misl> luckily I am not a girl, else it word be: gogo girl
14:35 < mnemoc> moin
14:40 < rxr> moin mnemoc !
14:40 < rxr> aside that OOo consumes 100%cpu when idling, I have a 32bit ooo with a lot of lib/ filling on my subnotebook, now
14:40 < rxr> that is my athlon finished building it over night from trunk:HEAD ;-)
14:46 < mnemoc> moin rxr
14:47 < misl> hi mnemoc
14:47 < mnemoc> ooo idles fine here
14:47 < mnemoc> hi misl
14:49 < rxr> mnemoc: on the athlon this works also
14:49 < rxr> it is either a kernel but or a 32bit compat but I think
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14:53 < morfoh> hi misl mnemoc :)
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14:54 < misl> hi morfoh
14:58 < morfoh> misl: that iLiad thingy is made in NL :)
14:59 < misl> of course :)
14:59 < morfoh> misl: :)
14:59 < rxr_> morfoh: that is why I wrote misl: try to convince them that ...
14:59 < morfoh> misl: how much is that nice piece of hardware ?
14:59 < valentin> re
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15:00 < misl> I am about to fill in their contact form
15:00 < morfoh> wb valentin :)
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15:00 < valentin> rxr: shall i cll you
15:00 < misl> morfoh: No price info yet, It is available for retail starting somewhere in april
15:00 < rxr_> valentin: yes
15:01 < valentin> ok, mom
15:01 < misl> I just read a newspaper article (dutch on real paper) that states it might even be available for free in combination with a 2-year newspaper subscription.
15:02 < misl> Uhh, rxr not even a dad yet but already a mom?
15:02 < mipe> heh
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15:10 * mipe slaps CIA-2
15:21 < rxr> mnemoc: how often did OOo crash on you?
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15:27 < misl> stupid irc client
15:37 < rxr> f*ck ooo
15:37 < rxr> crashed again
15:38 < rxr> 56276KCrash: Application 'soffice.bin' crashing...
15:38 < rxr> /opt/ooo/lib/OpenOffice.org/program/soffice: line 233: 12614 Alarm clock "$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@"
15:38 < rxr> doesn't really like tables
15:38 < rxr> *** glibc detected *** /opt/ooo/lib/OpenOffice.org/program/soffice.bin: free(): invalid pointer: 0x564306c4 ***
15:38 < rxr> ======= Backtrace: =========
15:38 < rxr> /lib/libc.so.6[0x56adc2aa]
15:38 < rxr> /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_free+0x82)[0x56adcd62]
15:38 < rxr> /usr/X11/lib/libX11.so.6(XFree+0x1c)[0x567c42cc]
15:38 < rxr> /opt/ooo/lib/OpenOffice.org/program/libdtransX11680li.so[0x5d693301]
15:46 < rxr> wonderful
15:49 < mnemoc> rxr: never yet
15:52 < CIA-2> mika * r14977 /trunk/package/multimedia/libdc1394/example-clock-def.patch:
15:52 < CIA-2> * patch libdc1394 example to compile by using CLOCKS_PER_SEC
15:52 < CIA-2> * rather than obsolet CLK_TCK constant, but should we compile example
15:52 < CIA-2> * programs?
15:52 < rxr> mnemoc: tables inside the writer in use?
15:53 < CIA-2> chris * r14978 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/binutils-800-sh-flags-off-by-one.patch: * removed binutils-800-sh-flags-off-by-one.patch for uclibc because binutils 2.16.91.0.5 fixed that issue
16:03 < mnemoc> rxr: some times
16:04 < Bart-> mnemoc, here are the steps to make stone workning in chroot: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kCRAef90.html
16:05 < mnemoc> *click*
16:05 < morfoh> rxr: btw, finally... tomorrow I'll get the ordered wrt54gl-de
16:05 < mnemoc> Bart-: easier than what i expected :)
16:06 < Bart-> mnemoc, actually nope
16:06 < mnemoc> morfoh: CMS?
16:06 < Bart-> mnemoc, this is not sufiicient to have t2 wrking but only to make stone no crashing
16:07 < Bart-> mnemoc, udev package is incomplete, you need /etc/udev/rules.d/25-t2.rules because default udev rules are *highly* default
16:08 < Bart-> and thus unusable
16:08 < mnemoc> what is faiñling?
16:08 < misl> mnemoc: have you sen the commit I did in the 2.1 branch? r14943
16:08 < Bart-> file is missing - your own, T2-specific *.rules
16:09 < Bart-> mnemoc, every distribution ship own *.rules file which contain as much devices as possible
16:09 < mnemoc> misl: FPIC? yes
16:09 < misl> ack
16:09 < mnemoc> missing where?
16:10 < misl> mnemoc: libassuan
16:10 < mnemoc> Bart-: missing where?
16:10 < Bart-> mnemoc, in T2, average user has two choises: learn how to write rules file or steal one from whatever distribution
16:10 < misl> :)
16:11 < Bart-> mnemoc, in udev package ;]
16:11 < mnemoc> misl: i have lot of FPIC-QUIRKs to merge
16:11 < Bart-> mnemoc, it lacks configuration
16:12 < misl> mnemoc: can I be of service?
16:12 < mnemoc> misl: 2.1-test :)
16:12 < mnemoc> misl: and merge at will
16:12 < Bart-> mnemoc, something like this: http://cvs.pld-linux.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/SOURCES/udev.rules?rev=1.27
16:13 < mnemoc> Bart-: i doubt that is really missing, i think rxr had a different approch, ask him
16:13 < mnemoc> Bart-: probably hotplug++ based
16:13 < Bart-> but it is also incomplete because those guys provide more *.rules, eg. alsa-udev.rules hal-udev.rules ec
16:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: actually I've 4 things I'm working on ..1) getting a decent multilang website using plone for the Lab and the supporting institute at the TU 2) the same for T2 3) I want to have the wrt2 target working that we can show it at the CeBIT 4) building some VoIP targets for cm
16:15 < mnemoc> morfoh: good
16:15 < Bart-> mnemoc, I don't know what it hotplug++ for, udev has hotplug implementation already, anyway you won't be able to make t2-trunk working unless you steal *.rules file ;]
16:16 < mnemoc> Bart-: i really doubt because there are many people using T2-trunk based installations and livecds out of the box
16:19 < mnemoc> Bart-: t2 2.2 depends on hotplug++ and it's initrd
16:19 < Bart-> mnemoc, because they probably use their own *.rules taken from other systems (I do so)
16:20 < mnemoc> Bart-: you do doesn't imply rxr does
16:20 < Bart-> I dont understand this sentence
16:21 < mnemoc> you may do it that way, but that doesn't mean rxr does it in the same way
16:21 < Bart-> rxr, how you do it?
16:26 < rxr> Bart-: what do you miss exactly?
16:26 < rxr> we have our own udev ruleset we install
16:26 < Bart-> mnemoc, http://www.t2-project.org/hotplug++/ <- I thiks I undertand now but this require booting into T2 to make it work?
16:26 < Bart-> rxr, how can I get this file?
16:28 < rxr> what file?
16:28 < rxr> you should have rules in /etc/udev/rules.d
16:28 < Bart-> rxr we have our own udev ruleset we install
16:28 < rxr> not this pld rules
16:28 < rxr> but our own st we worked up so far
16:28 < rxr> Bart-: it is part of the udev package
16:28 < Bart-> I have own rules but I'd like to see yours ;]
16:28 < rxr> when you build the udev package this rules will be there
16:29 < rxr> /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/60-hotplug.rules
16:30 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14979 /trunk/package/graphic/libtiff/libtiff.desc:
16:30 < CIA-2> * add flag LIBTOOL-QUIRK to libtiff (it keeps spreading
16:30 < CIA-2> /usr/lib/libjpeg.la to a few other packes on 64bit sys')
16:31 < Bart-> rxr, but these files can't even create basic devices
16:31 < Bart-> I tried to use them, even console is unusable and stone hangs on the second screen
16:35 < rxr> Bart-: they work on my side
16:35 < rxr> I even tested during installation ...
16:35 < rxr> if you miss a rule let me know
16:36 < rxr> jsaw: around ?
16:36 < jsaw> (half eye)
16:36 < rxr> are you sure we need r14979 ?
16:36 < mnemoc> rxr: he dumped T2 2.2, not installed it using the installer
16:36 < jsaw> yes
16:36 < rxr> I mean I just fixed lijpeg to install into lib64
16:36 < jsaw> was after svn up
16:37 < rxr> is is just normal that if you have not build a r-6 trunk libtiff.la contains the previous location
16:37 < jsaw> but I can retrye
16:37 < jsaw> -e
16:37 < rxr> jsaw: let me rebuild those
16:37 < rxr> are you here for some minutes?
16:37 < jsaw> half-eye :)
16:38 < rxr> jsaw: ok - I build libtiff with non-HEAD to take a look
16:38 < jsaw> already restarted w/o 979
16:40 < jsaw> rxr: btw, with auto-correction of the "for ... $noinst_path" loop in ltmain.*, I have far less broken .la files.
16:40 < mnemoc> jsaw: removing old files?
16:41 < jsaw> rxr: effectively only gcc has two wrong entries left (a link to libgcj in supc++ and stdc++, but only in the gcc dir, not in the default /usr/lib* location)
16:41 < jsaw> mnemoc: yep
16:44 < mnemoc> bbl
16:44 < jsaw> cu mnemoc
16:46 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14980 /trunk/package/graphic/libtiff/libtiff.desc:
16:46 < CIA-2> * revert r14979 (not necessary, was due to
16:46 < CIA-2> missing rebuilding of package after r14973)
16:46 < jsaw> rxr: here we go...
16:47 < rxr> dependency_libs=' /usr/lib64/libjpeg.la -lz -lm -lc'
16:47 < rxr> ack
16:47 < rxr> jsaw: thanks
16:47 < rxr> jsaw: what autocorrection do you mean?
16:47 < rxr> btw: !> usr/lib64/libtiffxx.la contains build system paths!
16:47 < rxr> !> The package (or a dependency) should possibly flagged with "LIBTOOL-QUIRK"
16:47 < rxr> do you get that as well?
16:47 < jsaw> not here :)
16:48 < rxr> or something o my work-in-progress mixed laptop?
16:48 < rxr> ah - ok
16:48 < jsaw> look into whatever ltmain you find
16:48 < jsaw> look at the line below "for ... $notinst_path"
16:48 < jsaw> after the SED expression you will find the wrong quotes
16:48 < jsaw> in almost any package
16:48 < rxr> aha
16:48 < rxr> the one you once quoted ?
16:48 < jsaw> yep
16:49 < rxr> ic
16:49 < jsaw> I auto-correct these here
16:49 < rxr> ugly libtool junk
16:49 < rxr> auto-correct in which way?
16:49 < jsaw> no, just an ancient version
16:49 < jsaw> it is corrected since a year or so
16:49 < jsaw> rxr: sed'ing
16:49 < jsaw> I do it from gcc/parse-config:
16:50 < jsaw> sed -i -e 's,sys_lib_dlsearch_path_spec=.*$lt_ld_extra.*,sys_lib_dlsearch_path_spec="$lt_ld_extra",' \
16:50 < jsaw> -e "s,'s% \$path % %g',\"s% \$path % %g\",g" -e "s,'s% -L\$path % %g',\"s% -L\$path % %g\",g" \
16:50 < jsaw> -e 's,echo "$\(lib_search_path\|deplibs\|dependency_libs\) ",echo " $\1 ",g' \
16:50 < jsaw> $f
16:50 < jsaw> where $f is any libtool*,ltconf*,ltmain* file
16:52 < rxr> libtool parse-config please
16:53 < rxr> jsaw: I find such sed expressions a bit evil (not nice to read) - would a patch apply to those?
16:53 < rxr> that is have a clean patch and try to apply it?
16:53 < rxr> if it fails continue anyway ?
16:53 < rxr> I woudl find that more readable
16:54 < rxr> (I have to hack annoying turing machines right now - and I find them as cryptic as this sed expression - maybe I'm a bit sensitively biased right now)
16:55 < jsaw> rxr: I tried that, but I had around 8 patches or so
16:55 < jsaw> rxr: for every version of it you find out there
16:56 < jsaw> rxr: and I think, this can be removed in a few month again
17:09 < rxr> heh
17:09 < rxr> doubt
17:09 < rxr> look how old this fix is
17:10 < rxr> and we even have old, aging, rotting packages, that do not even recognize x86_64, powerpc64 or sparcv* in theig config.guess and friend files ...
17:10 < rxr> if we add such a thing it will most probably stay around for 2-3 years ++
17:10 < jsaw> hmmm
17:10 < rxr> this static files injected into packages are very evil ...
17:10 * rxr hatest auto* and libtool crap for that ...
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17:39 < rxr> dinner - cu
18:10 < CIA-2> rene * r14981 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/usb-backup.in:
18:10 < CIA-2> * fixed archivista/usb-backup shared functions to create the mountpoint
18:10 < CIA-2> before mounting
18:22 < sepp_> moin
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18:22 < misl> hi sepp
18:22 < sepp> hi misl
18:23 < LMJ> moin sepp
18:23 < sepp> hi SerWou
18:25 < LMJ> huu
18:33 < rxr> re
18:35 < LMJ> dinner done ?
18:46 < rxr> so - re
18:46 < rxr> yep
18:46 < rxr> and a client phoned ...
18:46 < rxr> the special ExactCODE near 24x7x3xx service ... ,-)
18:51 < rxr> CIA-2: ?
18:51 < CIA-2> rene * r14982 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.15 -> 2.6.15.1)
18:54 < morfoh> bbl
18:54 < rxr> cu morfoh
18:58 < rxr> /we 2 susan
18:58 < rxr> cu
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20:20 < Bart-> re
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20:47 < Bart-> mnemoc, you runit, I don't (yet). Can you tell me how to execute `udevstart' before or exactly at runit's stage 1 ?
20:48 < Bart-> greping through /etc I found that /etc/runit/1.d/01system executes 'udevd -d' right after that runit fails because of missing /dev/console
20:50 < Bart-> *you know runit ;]
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20:53 < Bart-> I'm sure, that there is a T2-way ;]
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21:07 < Baldzius> hm
21:07 < Baldzius> works for me
21:15 < Bart-> me /off to reboot /again
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21:27 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14983 /trunk/package/base/gpm/gpm.conf: * udev aware /etc/conf/gpm
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21:35 < rxr> re
21:36 < rxr> jsaw: btw. our udev config is minimal
21:36 < rxr> jsaw: if there are annoying names or bugs in it feel free to rather weak the udev rules
21:36 * jsaw knows that ;)
21:36 < rxr> jsaw: that is in the past our udev rules have been better
21:36 < jsaw> rxr: what's about the udevstart?
21:36 < jsaw> Bart-'s right imo
21:36 < rxr> but then those evil udev guys rewrote their codebase and made the rules incompatible ...
21:37 < rxr> jsaw: whats with udevstart?
21:37 < jsaw> missing in system.init
21:37 < jsaw> isn't it?
21:37 < rxr> jsaw: he initrd is suppost to do that
21:37 < Baldzius> it's in initrdinit
21:37 < jsaw> hm.
21:38 < rxr> though we could do some testing if it was not yet run and fallback start it on demand
21:38 < rxr> though that would be some legacy code lines in system init
21:38 < rxr> btw. two things
21:38 < jsaw> shouldn't we still do it in system.init, just in case somebody uses a non-T2 or homebrewn, resp., kernel?
21:38 < rxr> - yes that might be desireable to support initrd less embedded or whatever config
21:38 < jsaw> so, may I edit it now?
21:39 < rxr> - yes, we really really should split system init in smaller parts ..
21:39 < jsaw> :)
21:39 < rxr> jsaw: yes - but try a sane fuzzy code that does not trigger on u/dev less systems with static, old style nodes on the HD
21:39 < rxr> when you are at this code
21:40 < rxr> please mount /proc and /sys if not yet moutned
21:40 < rxr> mounted
21:40 < jsaw> you mean, start udevstart only if udev in kconfig?
21:40 < rxr> for those initrd less custom whatever systems ...
21:40 < rxr> maybe use those to detect initrd
21:40 < rxr> run
21:40 < rxr> jsaw: there is no udev in kconfig ....
21:40 < rxr> jsaw: there is no udev code in the kernel
21:41 < rxr> it is purely run from normal hotplug events ...
21:44 < jsaw> so, how do i detect it?
21:44 < rxr> i was thinking the same
21:44 < rxr> no idea yet
21:44 < rxr> that is nothing reliable
21:44 < sepp> does a Download "foo-2006-01-01.tar.bz2 cvs://..." mean 01-01 00:00:00 UTC ?
21:44 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14984 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/etc_conf_hardware.txt: * remove HARDWARE_SETUP=rockplug
21:45 < rxr> sepp: you need to specifify the date manuallz using -R ... or -D or so
21:45 < rxr> sepp: depending how cvs handled that
21:45 * jsaw starts to like amarok
21:45 < sepp> rxr: yes i know i mean just the time
21:45 < rxr> sepp: man cvs, I do not know off hand
21:46 < sepp> ok :)
21:46 < rxr> maybe it even depends on the cvs server_
21:46 < rxr> ? even
21:47 < rxr> so - n8
21:48 < rxr> jsaw: have fun with udev detection ,-)
21:48 < sepp> seems to be local time
21:48 < rxr> btw. we later on start udevd unconditional anyway
21:48 < rxr> maybe some /etc/conf/... might be needed ...
21:48 < rxr> jsaw: but the /sys /proc mount code would be nice
21:48 < rxr> if not done by an initrd ...
21:49 < rxr> cu
21:49 < jsaw> rxr: it's in system.init
21:49 < jsaw> already
21:49 < sepp> good night rxr
21:51 < Bart-> seems that I need to rewrite 'system' script for myself since previous patch was crap
21:52 < sepp> 2006-01-20 e17 has working "Configuration Panel" and some more cleanups :)
21:53 < jsaw> rxr: ---^
21:53 < jsaw> Bart-: yep
21:53 < jsaw> Bart-: see above lines...
21:55 < Bart-> the worst thing is that I',m about to develop distribution which I've never seen working ;[
21:56 < jsaw> ???
21:56 < jsaw> O.O
21:56 < Bart-> can't boot because of missing devices
21:56 < Bart-> I'm playing in chroot
21:57 < jsaw> O.O
21:57 < jsaw> you can't boot?
21:58 < Bart-> init crashes right after start
21:58 < jsaw> what init, what arch?
21:59 < jsaw> what t2 version?
21:59 < Bart-> x86, runit, with 2.6.15 and standard initrd
21:59 < Bart-> t2-trunk
22:00 < jsaw> what about does runit complain?
22:01 < Bart-> runit, right after start tries to grab control over /dev/console
22:02 < Bart-> but there are no devices because udev hasn't been started yet
22:02 < jsaw> that's not true
22:02 < jsaw> there's something wrong elsewhere
22:03 < jsaw> look at package/base/mkinitrd/initrdinit.sh
22:03 < Bart-> rxr says that hotplug++ from initrd should do the thing but doesn't work for me
22:03 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/2006-01-20_e17.jpg :)
22:04 < Baldzius> looks nice
22:04 < Baldzius> damn, reiser4 stinks on 2.6.15
22:04 * jsaw wonders why I have /dev/console and Bart- doesn't
22:04 < Baldzius> back to 2.6.14
22:04 < jsaw> I'm running on trunk...?
22:05 < jsaw> Bart-: what does "file /sbin/udevstart" say?
22:06 < Bart-> jsaw, nothind, just works as expected
22:06 < Bart-> but onlu when run manually
22:06 < Bart-> it is not executed durng bootup
22:06 < jsaw> Bart-: read it again: what does "file /sbin/udevstart" say?
22:07 < Bart-> ups, sorry, /sbin/udevstart: ELF 32-bit LSB executable
22:07 < jsaw> and the rest?
22:08 < Bart-> Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped
22:08 < jsaw> Bart-: can you please check that your initrd image also has a statically linked udevstart ?
22:11 < Bart-> right after I find righ tool to do this. I have never user initrd before
22:11 < Bart-> *used
22:13 < jsaw> create a temporary directory, change to it, run "zcat | cpio -i"
22:18 < Bart-> not sure what you mean " initrd has a statically linked udevstart" but /tmp/sbin/udevstart file is present
22:18 < jsaw> run file on it again
22:19 < Bart-> /tmp/sbin/udevstart: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped
22:19 < jsaw> ok.
22:19 < jsaw> is /tmp/dev/console present?
22:19 < sepp> i installed a svn co from friday evening on my laptop - works fine
22:19 < Bart-> yes
22:20 < jsaw> sepp: but you don't use runit, or?
22:20 < morfoh> re
22:20 < sepp> jsaw: ahh no - sorry
22:20 < Bart-> jsaw, its runit
22:21 < morfoh> hi jsaw, sepp, Bart- ...
22:21 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14985 /trunk/package/base/mkinitrd/initrdinit.sh:
22:21 < CIA-2> * make sure, /dev/{null,zero,console} nodes are created
22:21 < CIA-2> (after tmpfs is mounted on /dev)
22:21 < Bart-> hi morfoh ;]
22:21 < sepp> wb morfoh :)
22:21 < jsaw> Bart-: try this ---^
22:21 < jsaw> rebuild mkinitrd, then linux26
22:22 < morfoh> jsaw: do you have a running machine with runit you build frm trunk ?
22:22 < jsaw> no
22:22 < jsaw> but /dev/console may indeed disappear
22:22 < jsaw> (in initrd.img)
22:22 < morfoh> I have als init problem while trying to boo mnemosyne made from trunk
22:22 < Bart-> jsaw, can I do it tommorow? ;] It's deep, dark night here
22:22 < jsaw> yeah, sure
22:22 < jsaw> morfoh: but you can try ;)
22:22 < Bart-> thenk you ;]
22:22 < morfoh> Bart-: you have the same timezone :p
22:23 < Bart-> morfoh, but I'me getting up early tomorrow
22:23 < morfoh> Bart-: good :)
22:24 < Bart-> cu
22:24 < morfoh> jsaw: I'll check if r14985 solves the problem
22:24 < morfoh> cu Bart-
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22:29 < CIA-2> aldas * r14986 /trunk/package/x11/icewm/ (icewm.conf icewm.desc): * updated icewm (1.2.23 -> 1.2.24)
22:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: Error logs from ref-2.1-test-x86-athlon-xp-generic:
22:36 < morfoh> [5] network/gsmlib [5] multimedia/avifile
22:36 < morfoh> 3300 builds total, 792 completed fine, 2 with errors.
22:44 < CIA-2> aldas * r14987 /trunk/package/security/cyrus-sasl2/ (4 files): * updated cyrus-sasl2 (2.1.20 -> 2.1.21)
22:46 < CIA-2> aldas * r14988 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (1.2.7 -> 1.2.9)
22:48 < CIA-2> aldas * r14989 /trunk/package/base/expat/expat.desc: * updated expat (1.95.8 -> 2.0.0)
22:49 < CIA-2> aldas * r14990 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml/libxml.desc: * updated libxml (2.6.22 -> 2.6.23)
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23:12 < CIA-2> aldas * r14991 /trunk/package/audio/libao/libao.desc: * updated libao (0.8.5 -> 0.8.6)
23:13 < CIA-2> aldas * r14992 /trunk/package/audio/libogg/libogg.desc: * updated libogg (1.1.2 -> 1.1.3)
23:15 < CIA-2> aldas * r14993 /trunk/package/audio/libvorbis/libvorbis.desc: * updated libvorbis (1.1.1 -> 1.1.2)
23:20 < CIA-2> aldas * r14994 /trunk/package/develop/rapidsvn/ (rapidsvn.conf rapidsvn.desc):
23:20 < CIA-2> * actually updated rapidsvn to 0.9.0 (there was updated only
23:20 < CIA-2> version number)
23:20 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14995 /trunk/package/www/w3m/ (config.in config.patch w3m.conf w3m.desc):
23:20 < CIA-2> * update w3m (0.4.1 -> 0.5.1)
23:20 < CIA-2> * remove config.in (not avail. anymore)
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00:04 < mnemoc> re
00:08 < Baldzius> wb mnemoc - tour de france champion :)
00:09 < mnemoc> o_O
00:09 < CIA-2> aldas * r14961 /trunk/package/network/liferea/liferea.desc: * updated liferea (1.0 -> 1.0.1)
00:09 < Baldzius> so it takes an hour on bike?
00:10 < Baldzius> for me it was 15 min -> 5 km
00:34 < mnemoc> 8-9km
00:34 < mnemoc> morfoh: i just noticed you screwed dcc checksum
00:36 < mnemoc> -[D] 3422698700 dcc-dccd-1.3.5.tar.Z http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/source/
00:36 < mnemoc> +[D] 1237747109 dcc-dccd-1.3.5.tar.Z !http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/source/old/dcc-1.3.5.tar.Z
00:36 < Baldzius> looks like morfoh drank too much beer :)
00:36 < mnemoc> :)
00:37 < mnemoc> Baldzius: but i get a shower before re-plugging myself
00:39 < morfoh> .oO
00:40 < Baldzius> what is the lowest temp in chile ?
00:40 < Baldzius> in a year
00:40 < morfoh> Baldzius: I'll never drink too much beer :p
00:40 < Baldzius> whole
00:40 < Baldzius> :)
00:40 < morfoh> Baldzius: but I could open yet another one :p
00:40 < mnemoc> Baldzius: chile is *large*, lot of different weathers
00:41 < Baldzius> mnemoc: where you live
00:41 < Baldzius> :)
00:41 < Baldzius> your _base_
00:41 < mnemoc> lowest in winter? -2,-5
00:41 < morfoh> yeah ... wb master biker :p
00:41 < Baldzius> oh , i thougt you can bike all year :)
00:41 < mnemoc> thx master mirror-screwer
00:41 < Baldzius> non-stop
00:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've never pushed sth. wrong to a mirror ...
00:42 < mnemoc> Baldzius: there is lot of people how go to work on bike daily
00:42 < mnemoc> morfoh: on 14053 you did
00:43 < Baldzius> in vilnius i had season from may-october
00:43 < morfoh> Baldzius: what temperature does your env have in .lt already ? -15 ?
00:43 < Baldzius> morfoh: when i was outside later at day it was -20
00:43 < morfoh> guess we'll get at least -15 next week
00:43 < Baldzius> now i guess it can be -25
00:44 < mnemoc> Baldzius: but you all have central heating systems :)
00:44 < morfoh> Baldzius: yeah ... we all know the dry and very cold "stream" from sibiria :)
00:44 < Baldzius> mnemoc: no central heating in village :)
00:45 < mnemoc> :)
00:46 < morfoh> Baldzius: tiled stove ?
00:46 < Baldzius> ^^-- what's that?
00:47 < morfoh> Baldzius: an oven ... made with ceramic plates
00:48 < morfoh> Baldzius: you should know ... "djed maros"
00:48 < morfoh> :)
00:48 < Baldzius> morfoh: oh it was, now it's mordern stove :)
00:48 < Baldzius> :))))))
00:48 < Baldzius> maroz
00:48 < Baldzius> ded maroz
00:49 < morfoh> hmmm ... I'm sorry for you. I thought you still sleep on top of a tiled stove :)
00:49 < morfoh> Baldzius: I just wrote it how I spell it :p
00:49 * morfoh is lacking a cyrillic keyboard
00:49 < Baldzius> hehehehe tiled stoves are popular in russia
00:50 < Baldzius> never seen that ^^ in lithuania
00:50 < morfoh> Baldzius: really ?
00:50 < Baldzius> yeah, maybe long long time ago
00:50 < mnemoc> pictures?
00:50 < morfoh> my first flat here in Berlin had one ... :)
00:51 < Baldzius> oh i thought you are talking about those huge stoves
00:51 < morfoh> it was nice ... but a pain to get all the wood and coal 5 floors upstairs
00:51 < Baldzius> on which top can sleep all family
00:52 < morfoh> Baldzius: hmmm ... never saw such a big one
00:52 < morfoh> Baldzius: at least not in real ... just on pictures during russian lessons at school :p
00:52 < CIA-2> aldas * r14962 /trunk/package/develop/git/ (git.conf git.desc): * updated git (1.1.0 -> 1.1.4)
00:52 < CIA-2> aldas * r14963 /trunk/package/develop/cogito/ (cogito.conf cogito.desc): * updated cogito (0.16.2 -> 0.16.4)
00:52 < CIA-2> amery * r14964 /trunk/package/mail/dcc/dcc.desc: * updated dcc (1.3.20 -> 1.3.25)
00:53 < morfoh> anyway ... I never screwed up the checksum
00:53 < mnemoc> you changed the checksum of a file
00:54 * morfoh is not guilty <--- please write it down into the protocol
00:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I know, and in fact we talked about it when I commited the change
00:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: we talk about the filename change, not the checksum change
00:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: checksum is not even mentioned on commit message
00:55 < morfoh> .oO
00:56 < mnemoc> New Revision: 14053
00:56 < mnemoc> Log: * fixed the download location due to some changes on the upstream server
00:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah .. I see I see ... keep on blaming me :p
00:56 < mnemoc> svn blame does it :)
00:57 < morfoh> guess I should never commit again wgile having such a pedantic stable tree maintainer :p
00:57 < Baldzius> :)
00:58 < mnemoc> i haven't say a word about that commit message which doesn't even say which package is it fixing
00:58 * morfoh should better concentrate on commiting a beer
00:58 < mnemoc> :)
00:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: you're pedantic
00:58 < morfoh> :)
00:59 < mnemoc> who? Baldzius ?
01:00 < CIA-2> amery * r14965 /branches/2.1-test/package/mail/dcc/dcc.desc: * fixed dcc checksum screwed on 14053
01:00 < Baldzius> what Baldzius ? :)
01:00 < morfoh> guess I should hunt owl the "kratzbuerste" on you :p
01:00 * mnemoc aksing leo
01:01 < morfoh> Baldzius: don't worry ... he knows quite well who is pedantic :)
01:01 < mnemoc> clifford :)
01:01 < Baldzius> :)
01:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: netrunner was talking sth different some days ago :p
01:02 < mnemoc> yes? tell me more
01:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: grep the logs ..... it was quite interesting to follow the "conversation" between rxr and him :)
01:03 < mnemoc> day?
01:03 < morfoh> you can ask questions ...
01:03 < mnemoc> when was it?
01:03 < morfoh> 2 or 3 days ago, maybe 4 ... dunno exactly
01:04 < morfoh> and poor papa valentin tried to "quiet" the situation
01:05 < CIA-2> amery * r14966 /branches/2.1/package/mail/dcc/dcc.desc: * merged 14965 from 2.1-test branch: fixed dcc checksum screwed on 14053
01:05 < morfoh> ohhhh! well "formed" commit message :p
01:07 < mnemoc> bzgrep 'netrun.*cliff' \#t2.01-* <--- no matches
01:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: just grep for netrun ... cliff* wasn't mentioned I think ...
01:09 < mnemoc> #t2.01-15.log.bz2
01:10 < CIA-2> aldas * r14967 /trunk/package/filesystem/dvd+rwtools/dvd+rwtools.desc: * updated dvd+rwtools (5.21.4.10.8 -> 6.0)
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01:22 < mnemoc> afaics rxr released a lot of holded ranting
01:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: so you found it :)
01:24 < CIA-2> aldas * r14968 /trunk/package/games/rocksndiamonds/ (4 files): * updated rocksndiamonds (3.1.1 -> 3.1.2)
01:25 < Baldzius> gn8 guys :)
01:25 < morfoh> mnemoc: seems that he unfortunately gets stressed a bit with some topics
01:25 < morfoh> gn8 Baldzius :)
01:25 < morfoh> have fun on your stove "ded maroz" :)
01:25 < mnemoc> gn8 Baldzius
01:26 < Baldzius> :))
01:26 < mnemoc> sensitive topic
01:26 < morfoh> yes ... I can imagine
01:27 < morfoh> but I'm not in the position to talk about what's wrong and what's right
01:28 < morfoh> but I had the feeling that he was a bit too "strong"
01:28 < mnemoc> ack
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07:32 < rxr_> berlin freezed over - my digital thermometer does just show lll, indicating the temperature is too low to display ...
07:33 < rxr_> from -9.99 degree on it shows this ...
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08:06 < rxr> btw. -14 degree here
08:07 < rxr> tomorrow morning the news report claims we might hit the low at -18 degree !!!
08:07 < rxr> seldom had such a low temperature in my life so far here in germany ...
08:10 < CIA-2> rene * r14969 /trunk/package/network/aoetools/aoetools.desc: * updated aoetools (8 -> 9)
08:11 < CIA-2> rene * r14970 /trunk/package/base/hal/hal.desc: * updated hal (0.5.5.1 -> 0.5.6)
08:12 < CIA-2> rene * r14971 /trunk/package/gnome2/glib/glib.desc: * updated glib (2.8.5 -> 2.8.6)
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08:17 < rxr_> == 01/22/06 05:21:59 =[9]=> Finished building package ooo.
08:17 < rxr_> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 6.98% (683 hits, 9100 misses)
08:17 < rxr_> how I hate the later
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08:33 < mipe> sane-backends fail due to mktexfmt does not find tcfmfg.map and fmtutil.cnf
08:34 < mipe> also what is preferred for auctex... it cannot build for emacs and xemacs. so we need to remove one of the --with-emacs or --with-xemacs
08:38 < rxr> hm
08:38 < rxr> never seen that
08:38 < mipe> and where has /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb gone on X11R7? or am i missing some package
08:38 < rxr> but disabling some emacs junk in the sane-backsnds is fine
08:38 < rxr> rgb package?
08:38 < mipe> i have it installed
08:38 < rxr> it is in /usr/X11/share/X11/rgb now IIRC
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09:12 < CIA-2> rene * r14972 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone_mod_general.sh:
09:12 < CIA-2> * fixed stone date setup to display an error when setting of the new date
09:12 < CIA-2> failed, usually due invalid timespec ...
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09:15 < LMJ> Good morning the chan
09:28 < misl> morning folks
09:28 < LMJ> hello mipe
09:28 < LMJ> misl **
09:28 < LMJ> ;)
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09:29 < misl_is_not_mipe> :)
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09:29 < misl> I wonder why we always get mixed up :)
09:33 < LMJ> hehe
09:33 < LMJ> hello mi**
09:33 < mipe> heh
09:34 < misl> hey misl arrived too ;-)
09:34 < misl> morning mipe
09:36 < rxr> so - finally - 32bit ooo with all the needed 32bit libs injected into my 64bit subnotebook's userspace ..
09:37 < LMJ> moin rxr
09:37 < misl> rxr: does it work too?
09:38 < rxr> yes
09:38 < rxr> starts editing saved
09:38 < rxr> now I restart load
09:38 < rxr> reopend a .odt works as well
09:38 < rxr> yuche
09:39 < rxr> moin misl LMJ ,-)
09:39 < rxr> I upload a ooo and 32bit compat tarball ...
09:39 < misl> morning and congrats rxr
09:42 < rxr> when I'm at such ugly stuff I could copy wine over as well ,-)
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09:51 < rxr_> heh: "it was made. It's hard to defend the massive investment on Itanium via any standard means of measurement. In the end, the company has decided that only riddles can save it now."
09:51 < rxr_> ^- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/20/intel_swope_riddle/
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09:52 < Bart-> hi
09:56 < CIA-2> rene * r14973 /trunk/package/graphic/libjpeg/ (5 files): * fixed ibjpeg for lib64 and copyright regen
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10:01 < misl> hi Bart-
10:02 < Bart-> anybody's using udev from trunk? seems to be dead
10:03 < rxr_> I used the nearly latest udev
10:03 < rxr_> but I have not yet tested Baldzius' last update
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10:19 < misl> does anyone has a clue why sysfsutils has 2 libdirs? /lib64 and /usr/lib64
10:19 < Bart-> ok,works, /sys was improperly mounted and udevstart complained
10:24 < rxr> misl: because some of those are needed at bootup and the .la files are in /usr/lib64 or so
10:24 < rxr> hm . ooo tarball quite large
10:24 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/ooo/binaries/
10:24 < Bart-> now I wonder how to install strace package
10:24 * rxr back to real (uni) work .-(
10:25 < misl> Bart-: do you want to install it in a running t2 system?
10:26 < Bart-> ringth now I have chroot only with binary 'strace' from other system
10:27 < misl> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none -cfg your-config strace
10:27 < misl> that is to inject it into a running system
10:28 < misl> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg your-config -job 5-strace
10:39 < misl> A t2 distro for this would be nice
10:39 < misl> http://www.irextechnologies.com/downloads/Productleaflet-Iliad.pdf
10:46 < rxr> is this alsu using e-paper like the sony one recently announced ?
10:47 < Bart-> misl, there is no network inside chroot and doing this outside returns ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 310: /usr/bin/time: No such file or directory
10:47 < misl> rxr:yes
10:47 < rxr> misl: hm - i think it has at least a slightly lower resolution than the sony one ...
10:48 < rxr> misl: maybe you could convince this company to work together with t2 (just releasing some specs to create a linux port?)
10:48 < rxr> and thus get a mssive pr boost over sony for having open source alternative available for custom applications and such?
10:48 < misl> rxr: :) I can try
10:48 < Bart-> nevermind, i'll try to setup network first ;]
10:51 < rxr> "Although the business focus of iRex Technologies is Business-to-Business solutions, we will also make our product available for individuals, who can order via our iRex Technologies web retail. (April 2006) "
10:51 < rxr> misl: maybe with b2b focus they might even hand us the specs needed for a linux kernel port ...
10:51 < rxr> for "custom business applications"
10:52 < misl> rxr: we could offer them some sort of a developers kit for the device
10:53 < rxr> misl: guess they have something like that inhouse already ...
10:53 < rxr> guess we must underline the importance of a free development kit to accelerate their hardware sales or so ...
10:53 < rxr> and easy porting of existing linux code
10:53 < misl> :)
10:54 < misl> I think we are on the same wave length :)
10:55 < misl> I gotta go now, doing some family quality time
10:56 < rxr> have fun, greetings and cu
10:57 * rxr rebuilding qt since my ooo-32-compat wiped it (no lib64 yet - sigh) while reading theory ...
10:57 < rxr> bbl
11:01 < misl> cu all later
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11:45 < CIA-2> rene * r14974 /trunk/package/graphic/libpng/ (libpng.conf libpng.desc makefile.patch): * fixed libpng for lib64
11:46 < CIA-2> rene * r14975 /trunk/package/kde/qt/ (6 files):
11:46 < CIA-2> * fixed qt for lib64 (basically, has some plugin path hardcoded or so
11:46 < CIA-2> it seems)
11:58 < CIA-2> rene * r14976 /trunk/package/graphic/libmng/ (libmng.conf libmng.desc): * fixed libmng for lib64
12:01 < rxr> ouhm - untarring ooo crippled more of my system then I first thought ...
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12:46 < rxr> hi morfoh
12:46 < morfoh> hey rxr :)
12:47 < morfoh> rxr: how is it ?
12:49 < rxr> uni work, no fun
12:55 < morfoh> oh! poor guy ...
13:09 < rxr> thanks
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13:46 < nzg> moin
13:55 < owl> hi nzg
13:55 < nzg> moin owl
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14:01 < misl> hi folks
14:02 < nzg> moin misl
14:07 < rxr_> re
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14:09 < misl> rxr: ping
14:09 < rxr> poing
14:10 < misl> rxr: I think the Iliad is superiour to the sony one :)
14:10 < misl> Iliad has USB, Compact Flash and SD memory card slots
14:11 < misl> as well as wired and wireless lan support
14:12 < misl> can display XHTML and has a touch sensor with stylus
14:12 < misl> 1024x768 compared to the sony 800x600
14:12 < rxr> misl: oh
14:13 < rxr> go go, let's get the spec and port t2 onto it ,-)
14:13 < misl> http://www.irextechnologies.com/downloads/Productleaflet-Iliad.pdf
14:13 < misl> versus
14:13 < misl> http://products.sel.sony.com/pa/PRS/reader_specs.html
14:13 < misl> yeah, go go misl :)
14:14 < misl> luckily I am not a girl, else it word be: gogo girl
14:35 < mnemoc> moin
14:40 < rxr> moin mnemoc !
14:40 < rxr> aside that OOo consumes 100%cpu when idling, I have a 32bit ooo with a lot of lib/ filling on my subnotebook, now
14:40 < rxr> that is my athlon finished building it over night from trunk:HEAD ;-)
14:46 < mnemoc> moin rxr
14:47 < misl> hi mnemoc
14:47 < mnemoc> ooo idles fine here
14:47 < mnemoc> hi misl
14:49 < rxr> mnemoc: on the athlon this works also
14:49 < rxr> it is either a kernel but or a 32bit compat but I think
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14:53 < morfoh> hi misl mnemoc :)
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14:54 < misl> hi morfoh
14:58 < morfoh> misl: that iLiad thingy is made in NL :)
14:59 < misl> of course :)
14:59 < morfoh> misl: :)
14:59 < rxr_> morfoh: that is why I wrote misl: try to convince them that ...
14:59 < morfoh> misl: how much is that nice piece of hardware ?
14:59 < valentin> re
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15:00 < misl> I am about to fill in their contact form
15:00 < morfoh> wb valentin :)
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15:00 < valentin> rxr: shall i cll you
15:00 < misl> morfoh: No price info yet, It is available for retail starting somewhere in april
15:00 < rxr_> valentin: yes
15:01 < valentin> ok, mom
15:01 < misl> I just read a newspaper article (dutch on real paper) that states it might even be available for free in combination with a 2-year newspaper subscription.
15:02 < misl> Uhh, rxr not even a dad yet but already a mom?
15:02 < mipe> heh
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15:10 * mipe slaps CIA-2
15:21 < rxr> mnemoc: how often did OOo crash on you?
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15:27 < misl> stupid irc client
15:37 < rxr> f*ck ooo
15:37 < rxr> crashed again
15:38 < rxr> 56276KCrash: Application 'soffice.bin' crashing...
15:38 < rxr> /opt/ooo/lib/OpenOffice.org/program/soffice: line 233: 12614 Alarm clock "$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@"
15:38 < rxr> doesn't really like tables
15:38 < rxr> *** glibc detected *** /opt/ooo/lib/OpenOffice.org/program/soffice.bin: free(): invalid pointer: 0x564306c4 ***
15:38 < rxr> ======= Backtrace: =========
15:38 < rxr> /lib/libc.so.6[0x56adc2aa]
15:38 < rxr> /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_free+0x82)[0x56adcd62]
15:38 < rxr> /usr/X11/lib/libX11.so.6(XFree+0x1c)[0x567c42cc]
15:38 < rxr> /opt/ooo/lib/OpenOffice.org/program/libdtransX11680li.so[0x5d693301]
15:46 < rxr> wonderful
15:49 < mnemoc> rxr: never yet
15:52 < CIA-2> mika * r14977 /trunk/package/multimedia/libdc1394/example-clock-def.patch:
15:52 < CIA-2> * patch libdc1394 example to compile by using CLOCKS_PER_SEC
15:52 < CIA-2> * rather than obsolet CLK_TCK constant, but should we compile example
15:52 < CIA-2> * programs?
15:52 < rxr> mnemoc: tables inside the writer in use?
15:53 < CIA-2> chris * r14978 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/binutils-800-sh-flags-off-by-one.patch: * removed binutils-800-sh-flags-off-by-one.patch for uclibc because binutils 2.16.91.0.5 fixed that issue
16:03 < mnemoc> rxr: some times
16:04 < Bart-> mnemoc, here are the steps to make stone workning in chroot: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kCRAef90.html
16:05 < mnemoc> *click*
16:05 < morfoh> rxr: btw, finally... tomorrow I'll get the ordered wrt54gl-de
16:05 < mnemoc> Bart-: easier than what i expected :)
16:06 < Bart-> mnemoc, actually nope
16:06 < mnemoc> morfoh: CMS?
16:06 < Bart-> mnemoc, this is not sufiicient to have t2 wrking but only to make stone no crashing
16:07 < Bart-> mnemoc, udev package is incomplete, you need /etc/udev/rules.d/25-t2.rules because default udev rules are *highly* default
16:08 < Bart-> and thus unusable
16:08 < mnemoc> what is faiñling?
16:08 < misl> mnemoc: have you sen the commit I did in the 2.1 branch? r14943
16:08 < Bart-> file is missing - your own, T2-specific *.rules
16:09 < Bart-> mnemoc, every distribution ship own *.rules file which contain as much devices as possible
16:09 < mnemoc> misl: FPIC? yes
16:09 < misl> ack
16:09 < mnemoc> missing where?
16:10 < misl> mnemoc: libassuan
16:10 < mnemoc> Bart-: missing where?
16:10 < Bart-> mnemoc, in T2, average user has two choises: learn how to write rules file or steal one from whatever distribution
16:10 < misl> :)
16:11 < Bart-> mnemoc, in udev package ;]
16:11 < mnemoc> misl: i have lot of FPIC-QUIRKs to merge
16:11 < Bart-> mnemoc, it lacks configuration
16:12 < misl> mnemoc: can I be of service?
16:12 < mnemoc> misl: 2.1-test :)
16:12 < mnemoc> misl: and merge at will
16:12 < Bart-> mnemoc, something like this: http://cvs.pld-linux.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/SOURCES/udev.rules?rev=1.27
16:13 < mnemoc> Bart-: i doubt that is really missing, i think rxr had a different approch, ask him
16:13 < mnemoc> Bart-: probably hotplug++ based
16:13 < Bart-> but it is also incomplete because those guys provide more *.rules, eg. alsa-udev.rules hal-udev.rules ec
16:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: actually I've 4 things I'm working on ..1) getting a decent multilang website using plone for the Lab and the supporting institute at the TU 2) the same for T2 3) I want to have the wrt2 target working that we can show it at the CeBIT 4) building some VoIP targets for cm
16:15 < mnemoc> morfoh: good
16:15 < Bart-> mnemoc, I don't know what it hotplug++ for, udev has hotplug implementation already, anyway you won't be able to make t2-trunk working unless you steal *.rules file ;]
16:16 < mnemoc> Bart-: i really doubt because there are many people using T2-trunk based installations and livecds out of the box
16:19 < mnemoc> Bart-: t2 2.2 depends on hotplug++ and it's initrd
16:19 < Bart-> mnemoc, because they probably use their own *.rules taken from other systems (I do so)
16:20 < mnemoc> Bart-: you do doesn't imply rxr does
16:20 < Bart-> I dont understand this sentence
16:21 < mnemoc> you may do it that way, but that doesn't mean rxr does it in the same way
16:21 < Bart-> rxr, how you do it?
16:26 < rxr> Bart-: what do you miss exactly?
16:26 < rxr> we have our own udev ruleset we install
16:26 < Bart-> mnemoc, http://www.t2-project.org/hotplug++/ <- I thiks I undertand now but this require booting into T2 to make it work?
16:26 < Bart-> rxr, how can I get this file?
16:28 < rxr> what file?
16:28 < rxr> you should have rules in /etc/udev/rules.d
16:28 < Bart-> rxr we have our own udev ruleset we install
16:28 < rxr> not this pld rules
16:28 < rxr> but our own st we worked up so far
16:28 < rxr> Bart-: it is part of the udev package
16:28 < Bart-> I have own rules but I'd like to see yours ;]
16:28 < rxr> when you build the udev package this rules will be there
16:29 < rxr> /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/60-hotplug.rules
16:30 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14979 /trunk/package/graphic/libtiff/libtiff.desc:
16:30 < CIA-2> * add flag LIBTOOL-QUIRK to libtiff (it keeps spreading
16:30 < CIA-2> /usr/lib/libjpeg.la to a few other packes on 64bit sys')
16:31 < Bart-> rxr, but these files can't even create basic devices
16:31 < Bart-> I tried to use them, even console is unusable and stone hangs on the second screen
16:35 < rxr> Bart-: they work on my side
16:35 < rxr> I even tested during installation ...
16:35 < rxr> if you miss a rule let me know
16:36 < rxr> jsaw: around ?
16:36 < jsaw> (half eye)
16:36 < rxr> are you sure we need r14979 ?
16:36 < mnemoc> rxr: he dumped T2 2.2, not installed it using the installer
16:36 < jsaw> yes
16:36 < rxr> I mean I just fixed lijpeg to install into lib64
16:36 < jsaw> was after svn up
16:37 < rxr> is is just normal that if you have not build a r-6 trunk libtiff.la contains the previous location
16:37 < jsaw> but I can retrye
16:37 < jsaw> -e
16:37 < rxr> jsaw: let me rebuild those
16:37 < rxr> are you here for some minutes?
16:37 < jsaw> half-eye :)
16:38 < rxr> jsaw: ok - I build libtiff with non-HEAD to take a look
16:38 < jsaw> already restarted w/o 979
16:40 < jsaw> rxr: btw, with auto-correction of the "for ... $noinst_path" loop in ltmain.*, I have far less broken .la files.
16:40 < mnemoc> jsaw: removing old files?
16:41 < jsaw> rxr: effectively only gcc has two wrong entries left (a link to libgcj in supc++ and stdc++, but only in the gcc dir, not in the default /usr/lib* location)
16:41 < jsaw> mnemoc: yep
16:44 < mnemoc> bbl
16:44 < jsaw> cu mnemoc
16:46 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14980 /trunk/package/graphic/libtiff/libtiff.desc:
16:46 < CIA-2> * revert r14979 (not necessary, was due to
16:46 < CIA-2> missing rebuilding of package after r14973)
16:46 < jsaw> rxr: here we go...
16:47 < rxr> dependency_libs=' /usr/lib64/libjpeg.la -lz -lm -lc'
16:47 < rxr> ack
16:47 < rxr> jsaw: thanks
16:47 < rxr> jsaw: what autocorrection do you mean?
16:47 < rxr> btw: !> usr/lib64/libtiffxx.la contains build system paths!
16:47 < rxr> !> The package (or a dependency) should possibly flagged with "LIBTOOL-QUIRK"
16:47 < rxr> do you get that as well?
16:47 < jsaw> not here :)
16:48 < rxr> or something o my work-in-progress mixed laptop?
16:48 < rxr> ah - ok
16:48 < jsaw> look into whatever ltmain you find
16:48 < jsaw> look at the line below "for ... $notinst_path"
16:48 < jsaw> after the SED expression you will find the wrong quotes
16:48 < jsaw> in almost any package
16:48 < rxr> aha
16:48 < rxr> the one you once quoted ?
16:48 < jsaw> yep
16:49 < rxr> ic
16:49 < jsaw> I auto-correct these here
16:49 < rxr> ugly libtool junk
16:49 < rxr> auto-correct in which way?
16:49 < jsaw> no, just an ancient version
16:49 < jsaw> it is corrected since a year or so
16:49 < jsaw> rxr: sed'ing
16:49 < jsaw> I do it from gcc/parse-config:
16:50 < jsaw> sed -i -e 's,sys_lib_dlsearch_path_spec=.*$lt_ld_extra.*,sys_lib_dlsearch_path_spec="$lt_ld_extra",' \
16:50 < jsaw> -e "s,'s% \$path % %g',\"s% \$path % %g\",g" -e "s,'s% -L\$path % %g',\"s% -L\$path % %g\",g" \
16:50 < jsaw> -e 's,echo "$\(lib_search_path\|deplibs\|dependency_libs\) ",echo " $\1 ",g' \
16:50 < jsaw> $f
16:50 < jsaw> where $f is any libtool*,ltconf*,ltmain* file
16:52 < rxr> libtool parse-config please
16:53 < rxr> jsaw: I find such sed expressions a bit evil (not nice to read) - would a patch apply to those?
16:53 < rxr> that is have a clean patch and try to apply it?
16:53 < rxr> if it fails continue anyway ?
16:53 < rxr> I woudl find that more readable
16:54 < rxr> (I have to hack annoying turing machines right now - and I find them as cryptic as this sed expression - maybe I'm a bit sensitively biased right now)
16:55 < jsaw> rxr: I tried that, but I had around 8 patches or so
16:55 < jsaw> rxr: for every version of it you find out there
16:56 < jsaw> rxr: and I think, this can be removed in a few month again
17:09 < rxr> heh
17:09 < rxr> doubt
17:09 < rxr> look how old this fix is
17:10 < rxr> and we even have old, aging, rotting packages, that do not even recognize x86_64, powerpc64 or sparcv* in theig config.guess and friend files ...
17:10 < rxr> if we add such a thing it will most probably stay around for 2-3 years ++
17:10 < jsaw> hmmm
17:10 < rxr> this static files injected into packages are very evil ...
17:10 * rxr hatest auto* and libtool crap for that ...
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17:39 < rxr> dinner - cu
18:10 < CIA-2> rene * r14981 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/usb-backup.in:
18:10 < CIA-2> * fixed archivista/usb-backup shared functions to create the mountpoint
18:10 < CIA-2> before mounting
18:22 < sepp_> moin
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18:22 < misl> hi sepp
18:22 < sepp> hi misl
18:23 < LMJ> moin sepp
18:23 < sepp> hi SerWou
18:25 < LMJ> huu
18:33 < rxr> re
18:35 < LMJ> dinner done ?
18:46 < rxr> so - re
18:46 < rxr> yep
18:46 < rxr> and a client phoned ...
18:46 < rxr> the special ExactCODE near 24x7x3xx service ... ,-)
18:51 < rxr> CIA-2: ?
18:51 < CIA-2> rene * r14982 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.15 -> 2.6.15.1)
18:54 < morfoh> bbl
18:54 < rxr> cu morfoh
18:58 < rxr> /we 2 susan
18:58 < rxr> cu
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20:20 < Bart-> re
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20:47 < Bart-> mnemoc, you runit, I don't (yet). Can you tell me how to execute `udevstart' before or exactly at runit's stage 1 ?
20:48 < Bart-> greping through /etc I found that /etc/runit/1.d/01system executes 'udevd -d' right after that runit fails because of missing /dev/console
20:50 < Bart-> *you know runit ;]
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20:53 < Bart-> I'm sure, that there is a T2-way ;]
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21:07 < Baldzius> hm
21:07 < Baldzius> works for me
21:15 < Bart-> me /off to reboot /again
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21:27 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14983 /trunk/package/base/gpm/gpm.conf: * udev aware /etc/conf/gpm
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21:35 < rxr> re
21:36 < rxr> jsaw: btw. our udev config is minimal
21:36 < rxr> jsaw: if there are annoying names or bugs in it feel free to rather weak the udev rules
21:36 * jsaw knows that ;)
21:36 < rxr> jsaw: that is in the past our udev rules have been better
21:36 < jsaw> rxr: what's about the udevstart?
21:36 < jsaw> Bart-'s right imo
21:36 < rxr> but then those evil udev guys rewrote their codebase and made the rules incompatible ...
21:37 < rxr> jsaw: whats with udevstart?
21:37 < jsaw> missing in system.init
21:37 < jsaw> isn't it?
21:37 < rxr> jsaw: he initrd is suppost to do that
21:37 < Baldzius> it's in initrdinit
21:37 < jsaw> hm.
21:38 < rxr> though we could do some testing if it was not yet run and fallback start it on demand
21:38 < rxr> though that would be some legacy code lines in system init
21:38 < rxr> btw. two things
21:38 < jsaw> shouldn't we still do it in system.init, just in case somebody uses a non-T2 or homebrewn, resp., kernel?
21:38 < rxr> - yes that might be desireable to support initrd less embedded or whatever config
21:38 < jsaw> so, may I edit it now?
21:39 < rxr> - yes, we really really should split system init in smaller parts ..
21:39 < jsaw> :)
21:39 < rxr> jsaw: yes - but try a sane fuzzy code that does not trigger on u/dev less systems with static, old style nodes on the HD
21:39 < rxr> when you are at this code
21:40 < rxr> please mount /proc and /sys if not yet moutned
21:40 < rxr> mounted
21:40 < jsaw> you mean, start udevstart only if udev in kconfig?
21:40 < rxr> for those initrd less custom whatever systems ...
21:40 < rxr> maybe use those to detect initrd
21:40 < rxr> run
21:40 < rxr> jsaw: there is no udev in kconfig ....
21:40 < rxr> jsaw: there is no udev code in the kernel
21:41 < rxr> it is purely run from normal hotplug events ...
21:44 < jsaw> so, how do i detect it?
21:44 < rxr> i was thinking the same
21:44 < rxr> no idea yet
21:44 < rxr> that is nothing reliable
21:44 < sepp> does a Download "foo-2006-01-01.tar.bz2 cvs://..." mean 01-01 00:00:00 UTC ?
21:44 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14984 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/etc_conf_hardware.txt: * remove HARDWARE_SETUP=rockplug
21:45 < rxr> sepp: you need to specifify the date manuallz using -R ... or -D or so
21:45 < rxr> sepp: depending how cvs handled that
21:45 * jsaw starts to like amarok
21:45 < sepp> rxr: yes i know i mean just the time
21:45 < rxr> sepp: man cvs, I do not know off hand
21:46 < sepp> ok :)
21:46 < rxr> maybe it even depends on the cvs server_
21:46 < rxr> ? even
21:47 < rxr> so - n8
21:48 < rxr> jsaw: have fun with udev detection ,-)
21:48 < sepp> seems to be local time
21:48 < rxr> btw. we later on start udevd unconditional anyway
21:48 < rxr> maybe some /etc/conf/... might be needed ...
21:48 < rxr> jsaw: but the /sys /proc mount code would be nice
21:48 < rxr> if not done by an initrd ...
21:49 < rxr> cu
21:49 < jsaw> rxr: it's in system.init
21:49 < jsaw> already
21:49 < sepp> good night rxr
21:51 < Bart-> seems that I need to rewrite 'system' script for myself since previous patch was crap
21:52 < sepp> 2006-01-20 e17 has working "Configuration Panel" and some more cleanups :)
21:53 < jsaw> rxr: ---^
21:53 < jsaw> Bart-: yep
21:53 < jsaw> Bart-: see above lines...
21:55 < Bart-> the worst thing is that I',m about to develop distribution which I've never seen working ;[
21:56 < jsaw> ???
21:56 < jsaw> O.O
21:56 < Bart-> can't boot because of missing devices
21:56 < Bart-> I'm playing in chroot
21:57 < jsaw> O.O
21:57 < jsaw> you can't boot?
21:58 < Bart-> init crashes right after start
21:58 < jsaw> what init, what arch?
21:59 < jsaw> what t2 version?
21:59 < Bart-> x86, runit, with 2.6.15 and standard initrd
21:59 < Bart-> t2-trunk
22:00 < jsaw> what about does runit complain?
22:01 < Bart-> runit, right after start tries to grab control over /dev/console
22:02 < Bart-> but there are no devices because udev hasn't been started yet
22:02 < jsaw> that's not true
22:02 < jsaw> there's something wrong elsewhere
22:03 < jsaw> look at package/base/mkinitrd/initrdinit.sh
22:03 < Bart-> rxr says that hotplug++ from initrd should do the thing but doesn't work for me
22:03 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/2006-01-20_e17.jpg :)
22:04 < Baldzius> looks nice
22:04 < Baldzius> damn, reiser4 stinks on 2.6.15
22:04 * jsaw wonders why I have /dev/console and Bart- doesn't
22:04 < Baldzius> back to 2.6.14
22:04 < jsaw> I'm running on trunk...?
22:05 < jsaw> Bart-: what does "file /sbin/udevstart" say?
22:06 < Bart-> jsaw, nothind, just works as expected
22:06 < Bart-> but onlu when run manually
22:06 < Bart-> it is not executed durng bootup
22:06 < jsaw> Bart-: read it again: what does "file /sbin/udevstart" say?
22:07 < Bart-> ups, sorry, /sbin/udevstart: ELF 32-bit LSB executable
22:07 < jsaw> and the rest?
22:08 < Bart-> Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped
22:08 < jsaw> Bart-: can you please check that your initrd image also has a statically linked udevstart ?
22:11 < Bart-> right after I find righ tool to do this. I have never user initrd before
22:11 < Bart-> *used
22:13 < jsaw> create a temporary directory, change to it, run "zcat
22:18 < Bart-> not sure what you mean " initrd has a statically linked udevstart" but /tmp/sbin/udevstart file is present
22:18 < jsaw> run file on it again
22:19 < Bart-> /tmp/sbin/udevstart: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped
22:19 < jsaw> ok.
22:19 < jsaw> is /tmp/dev/console present?
22:19 < sepp> i installed a svn co from friday evening on my laptop - works fine
22:19 < Bart-> yes
22:20 < jsaw> sepp: but you don't use runit, or?
22:20 < morfoh> re
22:20 < sepp> jsaw: ahh no - sorry
22:20 < Bart-> jsaw, its runit
22:21 < morfoh> hi jsaw, sepp, Bart- ...
22:21 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14985 /trunk/package/base/mkinitrd/initrdinit.sh:
22:21 < CIA-2> * make sure, /dev/{null,zero,console} nodes are created
22:21 < CIA-2> (after tmpfs is mounted on /dev)
22:21 < Bart-> hi morfoh ;]
22:21 < sepp> wb morfoh :)
22:21 < jsaw> Bart-: try this ---^
22:21 < jsaw> rebuild mkinitrd, then linux26
22:22 < morfoh> jsaw: do you have a running machine with runit you build frm trunk ?
22:22 < jsaw> no
22:22 < jsaw> but /dev/console may indeed disappear
22:22 < jsaw> (in initrd.img)
22:22 < morfoh> I have als init problem while trying to boo mnemosyne made from trunk
22:22 < Bart-> jsaw, can I do it tommorow? ;] It's deep, dark night here
22:22 < jsaw> yeah, sure
22:22 < jsaw> morfoh: but you can try ;)
22:22 < Bart-> thenk you ;]
22:22 < morfoh> Bart-: you have the same timezone :p
22:23 < Bart-> morfoh, but I'me getting up early tomorrow
22:23 < morfoh> Bart-: good :)
22:24 < Bart-> cu
22:24 < morfoh> jsaw: I'll check if r14985 solves the problem
22:24 < morfoh> cu Bart-
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22:29 < CIA-2> aldas * r14986 /trunk/package/x11/icewm/ (icewm.conf icewm.desc): * updated icewm (1.2.23 -> 1.2.24)
22:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: Error logs from ref-2.1-test-x86-athlon-xp-generic:
22:36 < morfoh> [5] network/gsmlib [5] multimedia/avifile
22:36 < morfoh> 3300 builds total, 792 completed fine, 2 with errors.
22:44 < CIA-2> aldas * r14987 /trunk/package/security/cyrus-sasl2/ (4 files): * updated cyrus-sasl2 (2.1.20 -> 2.1.21)
22:46 < CIA-2> aldas * r14988 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (1.2.7 -> 1.2.9)
22:48 < CIA-2> aldas * r14989 /trunk/package/base/expat/expat.desc: * updated expat (1.95.8 -> 2.0.0)
22:49 < CIA-2> aldas * r14990 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml/libxml.desc: * updated libxml (2.6.22 -> 2.6.23)
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23:12 < CIA-2> aldas * r14991 /trunk/package/audio/libao/libao.desc: * updated libao (0.8.5 -> 0.8.6)
23:13 < CIA-2> aldas * r14992 /trunk/package/audio/libogg/libogg.desc: * updated libogg (1.1.2 -> 1.1.3)
23:15 < CIA-2> aldas * r14993 /trunk/package/audio/libvorbis/libvorbis.desc: * updated libvorbis (1.1.1 -> 1.1.2)
23:20 < CIA-2> aldas * r14994 /trunk/package/develop/rapidsvn/ (rapidsvn.conf rapidsvn.desc):
23:20 < CIA-2> * actually updated rapidsvn to 0.9.0 (there was updated only
23:20 < CIA-2> version number)
23:20 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14995 /trunk/package/www/w3m/ (config.in config.patch w3m.conf w3m.desc):
23:20 < CIA-2> * update w3m (0.4.1 -> 0.5.1)
23:20 < CIA-2> * remove config.in (not avail. anymore)
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