T2 IRC Log: 2006-01-21

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--- Log opened Sat Jan 21 00:00:05 2006
--- Day changed Sat Jan 21 2006
00:00 < karasz> tell me abt it... a little
00:00 < karasz> kind of a bedtime story ;)
00:00 < mnemoc> pff
00:01 < karasz> nah, seriously
00:01 < karasz> what is prepared in 2.1.2 ?
00:01 < mnemoc> just tell me what updates or fixes you are missing on 2.1-stable
00:01 < karasz> aha updates and fixes with emphasis on fixes i guess?
00:02 < karasz> hmm...
00:02 < karasz> lemme think
00:02 < mnemoc> make me a mail and start a build
00:02 < karasz> fix KDE pretty please ;D
00:02 < karasz> oki oki
00:02 < karasz> i am serious now
00:03 < mnemoc> be concrete :)
00:03 < karasz> but it will have to wait till tomorrow because i am beaten and also i have to go to suck ones blood out
00:03 < mnemoc> no problem
00:03 < karasz> i will mail you tomorrow
00:03 < karasz> with stuff that i observed
00:03 < karasz> cu
00:03 < karasz> bye all
00:03 < mnemoc> document and report :)
00:03 < mnemoc> bye karasz
00:04 < karasz> i'll try to be concrete and documented ;)(
00:04 < mnemoc> good :)
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00:27 < CIA-2> amery * r14940 /branches/2.1-test/: * branched 2.1-test from 2.1-stable, to make merge-testing and updates of frozen package branches easier
00:41 < CIA-2> amery * r14941 /branches/2.1-test/scripts/parse-config: * changed sdever to 2.1-test
00:52 < CIA-2> amery * r14942 /branches/2.1-test/package/base/gcc/ (gcc.desc workaround_SSIZE_MAX.patch): * updated gcc (3.4.4 -> 3.4.5)
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00:55 < owl> gn8
00:56 < mnemoc> gn8 owl
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03:00 < keinek> hi
03:00 < keinek> :)
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06:27 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
06:27 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006]
06:27 [Users #t2]
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06:27 [ axion_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
06:27 [ Baldzius] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_] [ valentin ]
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07:20 < rxr_> re
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08:00 < misl> morning all :)
08:20 < rxr> moin misl
08:20 < misl> hi rxr
08:22 < misl> rxr: if libassuan is build with -fPIC should all package using libassuan also be build with -fPIC?
08:22 < rxr> misl: hm - not necessarily
08:22 < rxr> misl: do you get an error due that ?
08:23 < rxr> only dynamically loaded .so files need -fPIC IIRC
08:23 < misl> opensc did not build on 2.1 x86-64 due to -fPIC
08:23 < misl> it required libassuan to be build with -fPIC
08:23 < rxr> does it built a .so? or just the main binarly ?
08:23 < misl> dunno
08:23 < misl> :)
08:23 < rxr> yes, the lib*.so needs to be -fPIC
08:24 < rxr> if it does not build itself so (and accidently works on mostly x86 only)
08:24 < misl> ack
08:24 < rxr> you can add [F] FPIC-QUIRK to the libassuan package
08:24 < misl> I already did
08:24 < rxr> but to the lib* package, the main binary does not necessarily need to be -fPIC
08:24 < rxr> does it built this way ?
08:24 < misl> with this flag both libassuan and opensc build :)
08:25 < misl> now I try building opensc without the FPIC modification and see if it works too.
08:28 * rxr rebooting soon
08:35 < misl> :) works too
08:35 < rxr> re
08:35 < rxr> cu - off to me
08:35 < rxr> su
08:35 < rxr> cu
08:35 < misl> cu rxr
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08:54 < CIA-2> msluis * r14943 /trunk/package/security/libassuan/libassuan.desc: * added FPIC-QUIRK for libassuan.
08:55 < misl> oeps, untested on trunk
08:56 < CIA-2> msluis * r14944 /branches/2.1/package/security/libassuan/libassuan.desc: * added FPIC-QUIRK for libassuan.
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08:57 < misl> ^-- this one is tested. both opensc and gnupg2 build with it.
09:20 < rxr> re
09:23 < valentin> moin
09:24 < valentin> *tea and breakfast*
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09:32 < CIA-2> rene * r14945 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-ati/xpress-mem.patch:
09:32 < CIA-2> * added upstream CVS patch to xf86-video-ati to fix Xpress chipset
09:32 < CIA-2> memory detection
09:42 < rxr> so - next ooo x86-64 testbuild with a patches/64bit/ patch rediffed ..
10:18 < rxr> log is 6.8MB, though I do not remeber when it failed last time ...
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10:37 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006]
10:37 [Users #t2]
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10:38 < CIA-2> rene * r14946 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (64.patch ooo.conf):
10:38 < CIA-2> * first ooo fixes for 64bit systems, tweak the distribution name as necessary
10:38 < CIA-2> to enable our 64bit patch including define, enable some lib64 tinkery as
10:38 < CIA-2> needed and rediffed one of the ooo included 64bit patches
10:50 < rxr_> 12MB
10:50 < rxr_> guess it is over the mising bridge whatever header it failed last time
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11:05 < rxr_> 14MB
11:07 < misl> me off to do taxes :(
11:07 < misl> cu all later
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11:08 < rxr_> cu
11:11 < CIA-2> rene * r14947 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplug.d/default/90-backup.hotplug:
11:11 < CIA-2> * rewrote archivista hotplug usb backup to use a more user-friendly
11:11 < CIA-2> combo box to querry what action to perform
11:12 < rxr_> 15MB
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11:20 < rxr> 16MB
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11:29 < rxr> ouhm - error at 17MB
11:30 < rxr> ouhm
11:31 < rxr> ooo includes _boost_ !!!!!!
11:31 < rxr> and it is too old to recognize my gcc-4.0. ... ?
11:31 < Baldzius> good morning rxr :)
11:32 < rxr> moin Baldzius
12:04 < rxr> mnemoc: a suse blog claims this for openoffice: Build time on Dual Opteron 242 with 2G RAM is 1 hour, 19 minutes for en-US only build, with -P1 only and hot ccache.
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12:11 < rxr> http://blog.janik.cz/archives/2006/01/10/T21_48_15/
12:11 < rxr> ^- heh - so right he is and why I have a ppc64 and not this el-cheapo intel crap ...
12:19 < Baldzius> AMD forever :)))
12:19 < rxr> at least no 32bit CPUs anymore ...
12:20 < Baldzius> yep
12:20 < rxr> e.g. watch every mmap of a today sized file fall back to read/write instead of mmap ...
12:20 < Baldzius> AMD X2 forever :)
12:20 < LMJ> good morning
12:21 < Baldzius> hi LMJ
12:21 < LMJ> X2 are pretty good Baldzius ;)
12:21 < Baldzius> imagine ...
12:29 < LMJ> Both ...... ........ ...... are still far away from being perfect, but I guess this is normal for Open Source projects, which are driven by only a few people in their spare time.
12:29 < LMJ> ^---- This guy should be kicked out ;)
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12:40 < CIA-2> sebastian * r14948 /trunk/package/security/loop-aes/ (kernel.conf.sh pkg_linux24_pre.conf pkg_linux26_pre.conf): * enabled CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP_AES
13:01 < rxr> hm
13:01 < rxr> I wonder
13:01 < rxr> I think I just inject the last full ooo build I have here from the last released livecd into my x86-64 system
13:02 < rxr> after all that is what we have multilib fore
13:02 < rxr> inject all /lib libraries ooo need into the mostly empty /lib directories of the x86-64 box and happily edit the text ...
13:02 < sepp> moin
13:04 < rxr> moin sepp
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13:04 < sepp> hi rxr :)
13:04 < karasz> moin all
13:04 < sepp> tooo painful to get ooo working on amd64?
13:05 < karasz> brb
13:05 < sepp> hi karasz
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13:12 < rxr> sepp_: according to a lot of googling: "even if I would patch and patch and hack to get it build" using the various pieces and sources on the net "it would start and be able to do some basic tasks - but not even write ooo files compatbile with 32bit ooo versions"
13:13 < rxr> ooo source is really of a quality you barely want to imagine
13:14 < rxr> I built a 32bit x86 in parallel on my athlon to see if the breakage is more due gcc-4 in general or really specific for x86-64
13:15 < rxr> but since I need to hand a perfectly typeset document to the uni next week and need to work with two others together (latex no go) I think I'll start extracting 32bit ooo into my system from one of my last live cds ...
13:15 < rxr> also with latex it would be difficult to match the predefined typesetting requirements
13:16 < rxr> because tweaking such stuff in latex is a pain and due to that I hate latex nearly as much oas M$ products ..
13:16 < sepp_> :)
13:16 < rxr> the handbook will be soon converted to Subversion style docbook due to latex uglyness ...
13:24 < karasz> re
13:24 < karasz> hi sepp
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13:34 < Bart-> hi
13:36 < sepp> hi Bart-
13:36 < karasz> rxr that report was asked by mnemoc to fix issues on stable ;)
13:36 < rxr> yep, I just wanted to add this note
13:37 < rxr> to not try reinvent the wheel and just drop the pieces from trunk ...
13:37 < karasz> i see that he already branched out
13:37 < rxr> e.g. some issues took hours to solve, I just wanted to save peoples time
13:37 < karasz> i see
13:37 < karasz> right
13:37 < karasz> there is no need to reinvent the wheel
13:38 < mnemoc> rehi
13:38 < Bart-> do yoy accept patches for *.po or other translation files?
13:38 < mnemoc> ehm
13:38 < sepp> hi mnemoc
13:38 < mnemoc> hi sepp
13:39 < karasz> buenos dias senor ;)
13:39 < mnemoc> hi karasz
13:39 < mnemoc> karasz: i'm not sure how MUA+SVN will react to UTF8 patches
13:39 < karasz> ??
13:39 < karasz> UTF8 patches?
13:40 < rxr> mnemoc: svn stores binary data
13:40 < rxr> moin mnemoc
13:40 < mnemoc> moin rxr
13:41 < rxr> Bart-: we accept such patches, but they are a bit better placed at the up-stream sources of the original authors to make it into the source as soon as possible
13:43 < karasz> mnemoc: what should i do?
13:44 < Bart-> rxr, all my paches go upstream (unless they are Bart-specific) but this doesn't change the fact that you sometimes must wait forever for new version
13:44 < rxr> Bart-: ack
13:44 < Bart-> rxr, see Openbox, sobe guy send translatin over half a year ago and yuo stiil don't have it
13:44 < Bart-> besides, it's crap, I fixed it
13:45 < Bart-> there is a group of pseudo-translators here, that work for statistics, not fr quality
13:46 < rxr> ic
13:46 < Bart-> nobody even reads their files before sending upstream
13:46 < rxr> well as I said, we accept any patch fixing a issue thankfully ,-)
13:46 < Bart-> there is a HUUUUGE amount of bugs in polish translations
13:47 < Bart-> and I got some patches ;]
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13:49 < karasz> welcome kommrad ;)
13:49 < morfoh> hi * ;)
13:49 < morfoh> thx karasz :)
13:51 < rxr> moin morfoh
13:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope I make your heart jump when you read /me building ooo ...
13:51 < rxr> mnemoc: any veto updating to 2.0.1.1 ?
13:51 < rxr> athlon has a 12MB log now and the notebook 15MB
13:52 < rxr> thus the later most probably fails soon again ..
13:53 < morfoh> moin rxr
13:53 < morfoh> rxr: how was the dinner :) ?
13:53 < rxr> mediteranian
13:54 < rxr> mediterranean even it seems
14:00 < rxr> notebook at 16MB and thus failing soon again
14:02 * rxr wonders when susan comes back from the city ...
14:02 * rxr getting hungry .... :-(
14:05 < rxr> 17 MB - so turing machine will stop soon
14:12 < CIA-2> aldas * r14949 /trunk/package/cad/pcb/ (pcb.conf pcb.desc): * updated pcb (20050315 -> 20050609)
14:13 < mnemoc> re
14:13 < morfoh> wb mnemoc
14:13 < rxr> oh 18MB log on the notebook
14:13 < rxr> is it past the last time failure ?
14:13 < mnemoc> rxr: no problem, update ooo
14:13 < rxr> I guess I start partying around 20M
14:14 < rxr> and better go back to my damn comp.science. theory stuff ...
14:14 < rxr> and this John Maeda talk I need to do soon ...
14:14 < mnemoc> rxr: there are two break points, bdb-java at xmlhelp module, and final packaging due to long names
14:14 < rxr> it broke way earlier in the beginning
14:14 < rxr> first because we did not yet use our T264 define
14:15 < rxr> and later because a 64bit patch did not apply
14:15 < mnemoc> ah, yes... i have only tried ia32
14:15 < mnemoc> thx morfoh
14:15 < mnemoc> Bart-: ask rxr about your polish translations
14:15 < rxr> now I try 2.0.1.1 on the 64 machine and it seems it makes a difference for the latest strange error I got during the build
14:16 < rxr> however I testbuild 2.0.1 on the athlon
14:16 < rxr> 15MB log there ...
14:16 < rxr> at 20M on the notebook I commit the 2.0.1 > 2.0.1.1 update
14:16 < rxr> still 18M
14:17 < mnemoc> morfoh: i'll commit openssl 0.9.7i to 2.1-test so you can give it a try
14:18 < mnemoc> morfoh: it has gcc 3.4.5 too
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14:19 < mnemoc> wb nzg
14:19 < nzg> thx mnemoc
14:19 < nzg> moin
14:19 < morfoh> hi nzg
14:20 < nzg> mnemoc: you wrote about getting rid of custmain in vmware package
14:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: thx ... yeah, I can test it
14:20 < mnemoc> nzg: i don't remember to have done that
14:20 < mnemoc> nzg: but it's a good-thing-to-do
14:21 < nzg> on the ml iirc. is there a similar functionality i should use?
14:21 < nzg> or shall i create some kind of makefile that does the trick?
14:21 < CIA-2> amery * r14950 /branches/2.1-test/package/security/openssl/openssl.desc: * updated openssl (0.9.7g -> 0.9.7i)
14:22 < mnemoc> morfoh: please ---^
14:22 < rxr> ah nope - same error
14:22 < mnemoc> :\
14:30 < CIA-2> rene * r14951 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (ooo.desc t2-distro.patch): * updated ooo (2.0.1 -> 2.0.1.1)
14:31 < CIA-2> rene * r14952 /trunk/package/office/ooo/hotfix_libwpd.patch: * removed ooo/hotfix_libwpd.patch, does not apply anymore
14:33 < mnemoc> rxr: 14952... doesn't apply doesn't mean 'not needed'
14:36 < rxr> looks so
14:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: thanks ... should I start a complete ref build with 2.1-test ...
14:42 < morfoh> ?
14:43 < karasz> mnemoc: did you saw rxr's response to my Ml?
14:44 < mnemoc> yes
14:44 < karasz> good
14:46 * karasz in background mode so it may take a while for responses....
14:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: what is 2.1-test ? just a current 2.1 with gcc + openssl update ?
14:49 < mnemoc> morfoh: yes
14:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: why did you update gcc ?
14:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: gcc344 doesn't build on rxr's computer... i hope gcc345 does
14:50 < Bart-> this is funny -> you do no have rlocate package :O
14:51 < mnemoc> Bart-: why funny? if you need it, make the .desc and send the patch
14:52 < mnemoc> uhm, it's a kernel module
14:52 < Bart-> mnemoc, I use rlocate when setting up new systems ;]
14:53 < Bart-> it is usefull because I can find files before I learn where they really are (like those in t2-trunk/build)
14:53 < mnemoc> Bart-: grep /var/adm/flists/*
14:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: which one of rxr's machines ? :p
14:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: ppc
14:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: that's why we don't get a ppc iso for 2.1.1
14:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: ic :|
14:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: but does it help if I run a x86 based ref build then ?
14:56 < morfoh> anyway ... ref build is started
14:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: of course
14:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: that's why gcc 3.4.5 is at -test and not at -stable
15:12 < valentin> re
15:13 < mnemoc> wb valentin
15:14 < Bart-> mnemoc, is there a way to find out what packages are waiting in build-queue or sth?
15:14 < mnemoc> Bart-: grep '^X' config/$config/packages
15:17 < Bart-> looots of them
15:18 < mnemoc> Bart-: that list is looped once per stagle
15:18 < mnemoc> stage
15:19 < Bart-> but some of them were already built at least sixteen times
15:19 < mnemoc> 16 times, difficult... because there are only 10 stages
15:20 < mnemoc> the second field of config/$config/packages tells you on which stage the package will be built
15:21 < mnemoc> most packages are only built at stage 5
15:21 < Bart-> guested that yesterday but how to find out on which stage I am now?
15:21 < mnemoc> others, to build the toolchain are build 2-4 times
15:22 < mnemoc> paste me a pink line of your build log
15:22 < Bart-> that's possible, I saw gcc at lead four times starting and about 10 finishing ;]
15:22 < mnemoc> and i translate it for you
15:23 < morfoh> hi valentin
15:23 < Bart-> no pink lines in mrxvt's buffer since gcc filled it with messages ;]
15:23 < Bart-> while building gcc of course ;]
15:24 < mnemoc> filled it with messages?? did you change config to get the output on screen?
15:24 < mnemoc> that reduce significativly the speed of the build and makes the processes very hard to follow
15:24 < Bart-> yes, output is printed
15:25 < mnemoc> that's not a wise choice :)
15:25 < Bart-> no, I've not seen this info in *documentation ;]
15:25 < mnemoc> trust in the defaults
15:25 < mnemoc> until you know what you are doing
15:25 < Bart-> I got one pink: == 16:21:46 =[5]=> Building xorg/xf86vidmodeproto [2.2.2 2.2.0-alpha]. <- stage 5
15:26 < karasz> stage 5
15:27 < mnemoc> yes, stage 5, repository xorg, package xf86vidmodeproto, version 2.2.2, t2 2.2.0-alpha
15:27 < Bart-> mnemoc, but I can always turn off my monitor, will it speed up the build? ;]
15:27 < mnemoc> Bart-: vi config/system/config and change SDECFG_VERBOSE to 0
15:28 < Bart-> atually it slow down much after uninstalling sh yesterday
15:28 < Bart-> *slowed
15:29 < Bart-> bash is veeery crappy shell when comes to building
15:43 * morfoh rebooting now ... for updating his machine ... bbl
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15:46 < Bart-> me /away
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15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: that ooo patch seems to be upstream I think, at leat the .rej looked so
15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: I wanted to commit atomic of course with the update, but my svn has some strange hickup and pretended that the file is not revisioned anymore ..
15:58 < rxr> mabye svb-1.3 but or whatever
15:58 < morfoh> re ... but my mnemosyne on trunk test iso doesn't work
15:59 < rxr> at least I commited the svn rm from the Geode then
15:59 < morfoh> but at least my local qemu installation is working now :)
16:00 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
16:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: define "doesn't work"
16:03 < mnemoc> owl: don't you greet us anymore?
16:04 < owl> hi. i did tomorrow
16:04 < mnemoc> o.o
16:04 < owl> hm?
16:04 < mnemoc> "i did tomorrow" .... interesting concept
16:05 < mnemoc> hi owlita :)
16:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: booting from the iso works, but it cannot execute init ... so we've a runit problem. specifying init=/sbin/runit-init doesn't work
16:05 < morfoh> hi owl
16:05 < owl> lazyness is my friend today ;)
16:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: init=/sbin/init
16:05 < owl> hi mnemoc morfoh
16:06 < mnemoc> owl: :)
16:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: this is the default and doesn't work as well
16:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: what doesn't work?
16:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, I'm talking about the install cd
16:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: it cannot execute init
16:08 < mnemoc> morfoh: uhm
16:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: so "No init found"
16:10 < mnemoc> is it there? ldd? file?
16:10 < LMJ> good afternoon
16:10 < mnemoc> hi LMJ
16:10 < morfoh> hi LMJ
16:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: mom
16:11 < LMJ> how are you guys today ?
16:12 < mnemoc> stressed as hell :)
16:13 < rxr> mnemoc: .oO
16:14 < mnemoc> rxr: having a highly fixed and common deadline for everything is stressing :)
16:15 < karasz> mnemoc: wanna see something interesting?
16:16 * mnemoc doesn't answer
16:17 < karasz> mnemoc: http://karasz.pastebin.ca/37829
16:17 < karasz> look for id 2727
16:17 < karasz> the result is an 0 length mbox file (mine)
16:18 < mnemoc> i use qmail :)
16:18 < karasz> i don't look for a solution
16:18 < mnemoc> and, of course, maildir
16:18 < karasz> i found it interesting
16:19 < karasz> still sad thou, 'cause i had some 80MB mails there...
16:19 < morfoh> karasz: use maildir instead of mbox and you'll have less trouble
16:19 < mnemoc> karasz: that's why mbox is evil
16:19 < karasz> i plan to change to qmail anyway
16:20 < morfoh> karasz: mbox is just growing and growing ... and if you screw it, chances are quite hight to loose everything
16:20 < karasz> after that come some errors about being unable to index file because of LF in an unapropriate place :D
16:20 < karasz> now it is very clean
16:21 < karasz> 0 bytes
16:21 < morfoh> karasz: don't waste your time using mbox :p
16:23 < karasz> i am not wasting time
16:23 < karasz> i am wasting mails ;)
16:23 < mnemoc> mbox is evil
16:23 < karasz> btw i didn't screwed it
16:23 < mnemoc> broken by design
16:23 < karasz> i didn't even touched it...
16:23 < mnemoc> no need to
16:24 < mnemoc> mbox is easily corrupted, slow as hell, and self-destructing
16:24 < karasz> :D ack
16:24 < mnemoc> but, btw... don't forget to use reiser if you go for maildir
16:25 < mnemoc> ext{2,3}, jfs and xfs don't survive the load
16:25 < morfoh> mnemoc: are you shure regarding xfs ?
16:25 < mnemoc> xfs survives the load, but it's optimized for big files
16:25 < Baldzius> xfs is _slow_
16:26 < mnemoc> and you waste lot of space with small files (like normal mails)
16:26 < mnemoc> hot-resize is cool, but xfs doesn't pay
16:26 < morfoh> hey guys ... I know that I'm on "reiser advertising channel" here :p
16:26 < Baldzius> :)
16:27 < Baldzius> _reiser4_
16:27 < karasz> anyway i liked reiser...
16:27 < morfoh> Baldzius: yeah ... :)
16:27 < mnemoc> there is some hackery to do to support reiser4 on 2.1
16:27 < karasz> i guess that is too soon
16:27 < mnemoc> but's on my TODO
16:27 < mnemoc> even with the hate of rxr
16:27 < karasz> let the guy do his job hirst...
16:28 < Baldzius> namesys released reiser4 for 2.5.16 vanilla .. i'm going to give it a try
16:28 < Baldzius> oops
16:28 < Baldzius> 2.6.15 :)
16:30 < morfoh> rxr: is sysvinit a hardwired dependency for booting a current install CD made from trunk ?
16:31 < rxr> oehm
16:31 < rxr> no - don't think so
16:31 < morfoh> rxr: afaics we're parsing kernel cmdline for getting the init
16:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: runit doesn't need that because it is named as sysvinit's when active
16:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... but I'm wondering why it can't find any init to execute then
16:32 < mnemoc> rxr: are you taking /sbin/init file directly from sandbox, or expanding the package?
16:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: isn't is sh? -x ?
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16:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmm ... you mean "package/base/mkinitrd/initrdinit.sh" ?
16:52 < rxr> re
16:53 < rxr> mnemoc: taking out of the sandbox what for?
16:53 < rxr> in the initrd there is a shellscript as init
16:53 < rxr> and what is in the actual filesystem then depends on the target, how it tinkers this stuff together
16:55 < mnemoc> ah, good :)
16:57 < morfoh> but anyhow ... then the initrd doesn't work for me
17:05 < mnemoc> :\
17:16 < rxr> so /we shortly of in the city again
17:17 < rxr> (shopping and such)
17:17 < morfoh> rxr: have fun :)
17:18 < CIA-2> rene * r14953 /trunk/target/archivista/download.txt: * updated archivista SANE/Avision snapshot to sane-avision:HEAD
17:18 < rxr> morfoh: thanks - cu
17:18 < rxr> oh
17:18 < rxr> ooo on x86 still building
17:18 < morfoh> rxr: cu :)
17:18 < rxr> == 13:20:21 =[9]=> Building office/ooo [2.0.1 2.2.0-alpha].
17:19 < rxr> 27M /var/adm/logs/9-ooo.out
17:19 < rxr> so 64bit issue most probably
17:19 < rxr> gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 either
17:19 < rxr> so - /me off
17:19 < karasz> cu rxr
17:25 * karasz off to hunt
17:25 < karasz> cu latter guys
17:26 < morfoh> karasz: to hunt what ? :)
17:28 < rxr> http://www.t2systems.com/
17:28 < rxr> my brother just phoned me -^
17:28 < rxr> cu
17:31 < morfoh> hmmm ... the init within the initramfs is looking good and is executable
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18:01 < misl> hi folks :)
18:02 < morfoh> hi rocketmen :)
18:02 < misl> :)
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18:22 < morfoh> ^-- seems that was not a "long distance missile"
18:23 < Baldzius> :)))
18:23 < morfoh> :)))
18:25 < sepp> or he found the magic button
18:26 < mnemoc> rxr: parking business
18:27 < morfoh> sepp: or he was intercepted by a smaller missile :p
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18:27 < morfoh> btw, hi sepperl ;)
18:28 < morfoh> sepp: no! seems it is a missile with a "stealth shield"
18:28 < sepp> hi :)
18:30 < misl> stealth shield?
18:30 < sepp> the wmd was unvisible for a moment ;)
18:31 < morfoh> [19:21:42] Signoff: misl ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]")
18:31 < morfoh> [19:24:04] ^-- seems that was not a "long distance missile"
18:31 < morfoh> [19:26:25] or he found the magic button
18:31 < morfoh> [19:28:46] sepp: or he was intercepted by a smaller missile :p
18:33 < misl> hehe, I found the button
18:34 < misl> just upgraded my irc client
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18:50 < misl> morfoh: see the version number should differ now
19:08 < rxr> re
19:09 < mnemoc> wb rxr
19:15 < rxr> hi all
19:18 < rxr> ooo on the athlon still building
19:18 < rxr> 33M /var/adm/logs/9-ooo.out
19:18 < rxr> at least trunk looks like at least ooo is in somewhat buildinale state
19:20 < mnemoc> x86_32?
19:20 < mnemoc> ah, yes .... athlon
19:22 < rxr> http://www.pretec.com/product/SSD/Industrial/miniide.htm
19:22 < rxr> cool
19:23 < rxr> hey - we can ship such T2 NAS modules as well
19:23 < rxr> there is a company shipping some NAS in a IDE bundle for $$$
19:23 < rxr> when those IDE flash boxes are freely available everywhere we can have thos firewall,nas,... in a IDE plug as well ,-)
19:24 < mnemoc> sure :)
19:25 < mnemoc> i have more than a few bookmarks on that field, waiting for the chance of using them
19:26 < karasz> re
19:27 < rxr> http://www.pretec.com/product/Multimedia\compactpresenter.htm
19:27 < rxr> this company has quite some interesting things ..
19:29 < Bart-> syntax errors in glibc's locale files: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Skkuyr83.html
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19:31 < Bart-> anyway, is it possible to set and use LINGUAS variable during build to prevent from installing useless translation files?
19:33 < Bart-> or maybe there is more clever way (like %lang in RPM) to filter out unneeded message catalogs?
19:33 < mnemoc> Bart-: nothing implemented yet
19:33 < rxr> a filter is on the todo
19:34 < mnemoc> mine too
19:34 < Bart-> mnemoc, aha, I hope rm -rf is already implemented ;]
19:35 < rxr> depends wich rm you use ... ,-)
19:36 < Bart-> i thought there's only one, for filtering useless message catalogs ;]
19:37 < mnemoc> Bart-: the inconsistences on file lists will bring you troubles
19:39 < Bart-> what kind of trouble? I wanted to delete at least 30% of files
19:39 < Bart-> and this is not a joke, my onw system weights 650 megs *complete*! even with games and toys!
19:39 < mnemoc> Bart-: you can use flistdel for that
19:40 < mnemoc> Bart-: you know your own system, learn to use T2 before trying to hack it
19:43 < Bart-> mnemoc, tried t2 because of this: http://www.t2-project.org/about.html Is that true, not true or maybe it is as outdated as handbook? ;]
19:44 < rxr> the handbook is only 5% outdated ... ,-)
19:44 < rxr> the about page is ok
19:44 < mnemoc> of course it's true
19:44 < mnemoc> Bart-: i just say you must learn step by step
19:45 < Bart-> mnemoc, that's good because == 20:36:02 =[5]=> Building develop/gdb [6.4 2.2.0-alpha]
19:45 < mnemoc> :)
19:46 < Bart-> mnemoc, still haven't asked about package management
19:46 < Bart-> mnemoc, is there a package manager in t2?
19:47 * karasz hides
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19:47 < mnemoc> rsync :)
19:47 * karasz unhides
19:47 < mnemoc> `mine` still the package manager
19:47 < mnemoc> with it you install, update and uninstall packages
19:47 < mnemoc> list files, etc..
19:48 < mnemoc> but doesn't have any 'remote' feature
19:52 < Bart-> mnemoc, found README, this is rather simple
19:53 < mnemoc> .oO( README? )o
19:54 < Bart-> GEM-MINE file in mine tarball
19:54 < mnemoc> ah
19:54 < mnemoc> ok
19:54 < rxr> Bart-: but on trunk we use tarball instead o gem files ..
19:54 < rxr> we try hard to get rid of this legacy "junk"
19:55 < Bart-> mnemoc, I know and prefer this one
19:55 < mnemoc> on 2.1 we are tied to .gem, but not on 2.2
19:56 < Bart-> mnemoc, so is mine a package manager in 2.2 or not? ;]
19:56 < mnemoc> yes
19:56 < mnemoc> mine at 2.2 is patched to support other formats
19:56 < mnemoc> .tar.{bz2,gz,lzo}
19:57 < Bart-> I saw these packages that BuildTarget produce, they don't even have some king of header file
19:57 < mnemoc> var/adm/
19:58 < mnemoc> all we need to manage packages is there, and more
20:00 < Bart-> these are really simple ;[
20:00 < mnemoc> why more?
20:00 < Bart-> optional description?
20:01 < mnemoc> var/adm/package/$pkg
20:01 < mnemoc> grep friendly
20:01 < Bart-> ok, I saw these files before, looks good
20:08 < Bart-> mnemoc, I'm going to add fcron and rlocate rather quickly, and rlocate needs CONFIG_SECURITY=y and CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=m
20:08 < Bart-> but t2 has this options unset
20:09 < mnemoc> Bart-: rlocate (optional package) can enable them 'telepaticly'
20:10 < mnemoc> fcron should also be an optional package
20:11 < Bart-> what does it mean "optional"?
20:11 < mnemoc> [P] field at .desc starting with a O
20:11 < mnemoc> i.e. not built by default, only if target or user enable it
20:12 < mnemoc> take a look into bcron package
20:12 < Bart-> right, I'd better invetigate this files because: == 21:11:55 =[5]=> Building filesystem/reiserfsprogs [3.6.19 2.2.0-alpha].
20:12 < Bart-> *these, brb
20:23 < karasz> re hi everybody
20:23 < morfoh> rxr: what do you have in TOOLCHAIN/initramfs/{bin,sbin} of a recent trunk build ?
20:23 < karasz> mnemoc: do you need me to do something, to prepare?
20:24 < mnemoc> karasz: the only thing i need is about 10 more hours per day
20:24 < karasz> godd
20:24 * karasz grants mnemoc 15 more hours per day so makes a day last 39 hours
20:24 < karasz> better?
20:25 < mnemoc> are you polititian now?
20:25 < karasz> mnemoc: that wasn't a very nice thing to say, tzz tzz tzz ;)
20:25 < mnemoc> :)
20:25 * mnemoc is tired :\
20:26 < karasz> and grumpy
20:26 * karasz hides fast
20:26 < mnemoc> :p
20:26 < karasz> nah
20:26 < rxr> re
20:26 < rxr> 36M /var/adm/logs/9-ooo.out
20:27 < rxr> athlon still building
20:27 < karasz> i was thinkin that you need me to do a svn or some just to not waste toime with it
20:27 < rxr> == 13:20:21 =[9]=> Building office/ooo [2.0.1 2.2.0-alpha].
20:27 < karasz> ??
20:27 < mnemoc> :)
20:27 < karasz> 6 hours or so?
20:27 * karasz fears ooo
20:28 < mnemoc> i vote for 7 :)
20:28 < karasz> what ever it is awfull long
20:28 < mnemoc> it's SUN :)
20:28 * morfoh back in 30min ... bbl ;)
20:29 < karasz> cu
20:29 < rxr> 8 hours ...
20:29 < rxr> 21:30 here ...
20:29 < mnemoc> :D
20:29 < karasz> one can build a minimal +x in thet time.... at least almost
20:29 < morfoh> rxr: have you seen my question regarding initramfs ?
20:29 < rxr> it is in xmlsec
20:29 < rxr> oehm
20:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: supermarket, now
20:30 < rxr> morfoh: peripherally
20:30 < rxr> karasz: ack
20:30 < rxr> ooo is code from hell
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20:30 < rxr> I only built it for one uni text
20:30 < karasz> ohum
20:30 < rxr> I hate it otherwise and would use koffice if it would nto be a designer requesting sub mm accurate layouting ...
20:30 < morfoh> rxr: initramfs/sbin is empty here ... which I cannot believe
20:31 < karasz> anyway koffice +abiword does the job at least as good as ooo
20:31 < rxr> karasz: yep mostly.
20:31 < rxr> morfoh:
20:31 < rxr> morfoh: hm
20:31 < mnemoc> karasz: .ppt compatibility is a mayor issue
20:31 < rxr> did I mention it is in xmlsec right now ...
20:31 < rxr> mnemoc: who needs .ppt ?
20:31 < karasz> maybe, i wouldn't know because i never use ppt
20:31 < mnemoc> university teachers
20:32 < karasz> xls and doc for me only
20:32 < rxr> not to mention this ooo code is as crippled that even after one year of hackery those all x86-64 hackers did not managed to get a 64bit ooo working ..
20:32 < rxr> that is starting but no document compatibility ...
20:32 < karasz> and for thoose koffice +abiword is more than enough
20:32 < rxr> and from all the crappy code I saw I know why ...
20:32 < rxr> those eveil code from the other side should never have been written in the first place ...
20:33 < mnemoc> ack, their existence is harmful
20:33 < rxr> valentin: btw. if you ever have to login into my athlon again, the sources moved from /mnt/space/... into /usr/src ... ,-)
20:33 < rxr> mnemoc: in germany pdf became mostly a exchange standard for finished documents, such as presentation
20:34 < mnemoc> great :)
20:34 < rxr> people exchanging properitary work-in-progress are rather seldom and looked crossed eyed onto
20:34 < mnemoc> my university distribute lecture prospects in .doc
20:34 < rxr> though e.g. my comp. sci. whatever at unis is on ...
20:34 < rxr> mnemoc: on exc. he demanded a .ppt
20:34 < rxr> I asked what kind of file format that would be ...
20:35 < rxr> after he said "Microsoft Powerpoint?" I asked if he would buy me the Linux version ...
20:35 < rxr> and after some eveil discussion he said a pdf would do as well ...
20:35 < mnemoc> :D
20:35 < rxr> !> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 ..
20:35 < rxr> !> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 ..
20:35 < rxr> !> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 ..
20:36 < rxr> !> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 ..
20:36 < mnemoc> out of disc space?
20:36 < rxr> !> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 ..
20:36 < rxr> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.1 ..
20:36 < rxr> oops sorry
20:36 < rxr> damn pastery
20:36 < rxr> /mnt/space
20:36 < rxr> ouhm
20:36 < rxr> /dev/hdc1 97656084 97656084 0 100% /mnt/space
20:36 < mnemoc> :D
20:36 < rxr> today is not my paste day
20:36 < rxr> damn fuck
20:36 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 6.98% (683 hits, 9100 misses)
20:36 < mnemoc> welcome to openoffice
20:37 < rxr> at least I know that the x86 build progresses way more than the x86-64 build and that it is not a gcc-4 issue, but a 64bit one
20:37 < rxr> mnemoc: welcome? more a goodbe ...
20:37 < rxr> goodbye ...
20:37 < mnemoc> good for you :p
20:37 < rxr> I rebuild from cache overnight ...
20:37 < mnemoc> i have to make that crap build with java support
20:37 < rxr> mnemoc: with gcj please
20:38 < mnemoc> don't dream
20:38 < rxr> according to googlery it is suppost to build with gcc 4 gcj
20:38 < mnemoc> i'm trying to use sun-1.4.2 without luck
20:38 < mnemoc> because our bdb version
20:39 < rxr> when you do not do clipper stuff anymore you might have some more timeslots for such tinkery
20:39 < mnemoc> '_rene_' is *trying* to make it build with gcj-4, but no luck neither
20:39 < rxr> mnemoc: did you ever tried mingw on the evil windows side ß
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20:39 < rxr> mnemoc: nope, I did not try that
20:39 < rxr> I do not care abou speaking wizards and jumping dogs
20:39 < mnemoc> rxr != '_rene_'
20:39 < rxr> I only wanted a bare minimal 64bit flavour
20:39 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
20:40 < rxr> mnemoc: ah
20:40 < mnemoc> [17:42:06] [freenode] ùíù _rene_ n=rene@dslb-084-056-120-219.pools.arcor-ip.net
20:40 < mnemoc> [17:42:06] [freenode] ùíù ircname : Rene Engelhard
20:41 < rxr> is this enough, or do I need to rm -rf some more, e.g. rock or fedora SVN/CVS checkouts?
20:41 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, i'm postponing ooo tinkery, but we need at least language wizard on ooo to get luser desktops
20:41 < rxr> uh
20:41 < rxr> second
20:41 < rxr> why is the space still used
20:41 < mnemoc> sync
20:41 < mnemoc> sync
20:41 < mnemoc> sync
20:41 < mnemoc> sync
20:41 < rxr> /dev/hda3 89631884 1706840 87925044 2% /usr/src
20:42 < rxr> my above paste was wrong
20:43 < rxr> hey! it did already install:
20:43 < rxr> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060121.131950.
20:43 < rxr> 21897.haudraufinix/ooo-build-2.0.1/build/ooa680-m1/instsetoo_native/util/OpenOff
20:43 < rxr> ice//logging/log_OOA680__en-US_af_ar_be-BY_bg_br_bn_bn-BD_bn-IN_bs_ca_cs_cy_da_d
20:43 < rxr> e_el_en-GB_en-ZA_eo_es_et_eu_fi_fr_ga_gl_gu-IN_he_hi-IN_hr_hu_it_ja_km_kn-IN_ko_
20:43 < rxr> lo_lt_lv_mk_ms_ne_nb_nl_nn_nr_ns_pa-IN_pl_pt_pt-BR_ru_rw_sk_sl_sh-YU_sr-CS_ss_st
20:43 < rxr> _sv_sw_sw-TZ_sx_ta-IN_th_tn_tr_ts_ve_vi_xh_zh-CN_zh-TW_zu.log
20:43 < mnemoc> that's what 'long names' patch use to solve
20:44 < rxr> hm
20:44 < rxr> ah!
20:44 < rxr> on the athlon I did not built with LANG=en-US or what it was
20:44 < rxr> f*ck
20:44 < mnemoc> mandatory of ooo_lang=ALL
20:44 < rxr> mnemoc: could you commit to change this to en-US or so as long as this fails?
20:44 < mnemoc> s/of/for/
20:45 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/ooo/
20:45 < CIA-2> amery * r14954 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: * changed ooo to build by default only en-US
20:45 < rxr> so - my place for ooo reference logs ..
20:45 < rxr> mnemoc: thanks
20:46 < mnemoc> np
20:46 < rxr> I'll rebuild ooo on the athlon from cache
20:46 < mnemoc> keep dreaming :)
20:46 < mnemoc> rebuilds take as much as first builds
20:51 < rxr> though some time in the far future we should debug immense cache miss on ooo rebuild
20:51 < rxr> aha - one of those girls just called ...
20:51 < rxr> among others "do you have open office?"
20:52 < rxr> well - A: "well, yeah - sort off"
20:52 < rxr> Q: "Do you have it or don't?"
20:52 < rxr> hahaha ...
20:52 < rxr> yeah - source - but not really compiling (on the box I want to use it on) ..."
20:52 < rxr> is not what innocent girls want to hear at 10 o'clock ...
20:52 < rxr> confused I have her a bit I fear ...
20:54 < karasz> rxr you begin to dound like Yoda... :)
20:54 < mnemoc> do you know 'antiword'? :)
20:55 < mnemoc> rxr: what age are they?
20:57 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea
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21:00 < mnemoc> rxr: that scene reminded me at your age with 19y kids on the same project group at some courses at uni
21:01 < rxr> a bit you younger than I#m
21:01 < rxr> yeah
21:01 < rxr> when I asked in what they intend to write guess what the answer was ...
21:01 < rxr> but at least I'll not do the sildes and one of them does them in .ppt ...
21:01 < rxr> hope it does not crash too often on them ...
21:02 < rxr> (and kpdf will read the generated .pdfs ...
21:02 < rxr> that I have to throw on the wall since they have no laptop ...)
21:03 < rxr> so: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none ooo
21:03 < rxr> and /me off into bed soon
21:07 < karasz> cu rxr
21:09 < mnemoc> good luck rxr :)
21:09 < rxr> soon
21:10 < rxr> as long as susan is phoning on the bed you have to endure my ooo ranting over here ,-)
21:10 < mnemoc> hehe
21:11 < rxr> .oO(no squashfs in my subnotebook kernel)
21:11 < rxr> not good for ooo out of last livecd extraction ..
21:12 < morfoh> re
21:12 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
21:12 < morfoh> thx mnemoc
21:13 < karasz> kommrad...
21:13 < morfoh> tavarish
21:13 < karasz> kommrad we really shoud begin a resistance cell someday... :d
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21:15 < rxr> hm - no livecd on cd that has ooo
21:15 < rxr> only incomplete test-junk
21:15 < rxr> I pray and wait for the athlon to build HEAD over night
21:15 < rxr> and if that fails download the known good live release from our pool ...
21:17 < Bart-> -> Creating 2nd_stage_small archive.
21:17 < Bart-> -> Creating isofs.txt file ..
21:17 < tschmidt_> re
21:17 < rxr> hi tschmidt_
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21:18 < karasz> rxr i heard that Ubuntu Live has ooo....
21:18 < Bart-> I think, it's ready to install. There is "15.2 Direct Installation" chapter in handbook. Is it up to date?
21:19 < rxr> karasz: ours as well
21:19 < rxr> just not my test junk on the desk .-(
21:19 < karasz> sorry i have misunderstood you rxr
21:19 < rxr> karasz: no problem
21:21 < rxr> mnemoc: I think for t2 we should change our prebuild isos ...
21:21 < rxr> the minimal as usual but instead of the desktop the live, no ?
21:22 < morfoh> rxr: can't you do a short "ls" on "TOOLCHAIN/initramfs/{bin,sbin}" please ...
21:22 < mnemoc> rxr: on 2.2, sure
21:22 < rxr> morfoh: I have no builds on my notebook
21:22 < mnemoc> t2@live, 'livecd' is a common feature
21:22 < rxr> wiped them for reiser4 convertion
21:22 < morfoh> f*
21:23 < rxr> morfoh: and my ahtlon nicer
21:23 < karasz> cu guys on monday
21:23 < karasz> bye
21:23 < rxr> wiped those for a 50GB test file for rsync profiling / debugging
21:23 < rxr> my ppc64 would have some - but it is sleeping with OS X in the system RAM ..
21:24 < morfoh> naja ... anyway... sh*t happens
21:24 < rxr> morfoh: you build some target marked as "install" or "live" postprocessing on trunk?
21:24 < Bart-> mnemoc, build finished. Do I need some t2-magic to install or simply untar *.tbz2 on empty partition as described in chapter 15.2 (probably outdated ;])?
21:25 < morfoh> both ... but atm just the "install" variant is of paricular interest
21:25 < mnemoc> Bart-: you can create an ISO, and install from it.... or just 'dump'
21:25 < rxr> Bart-: not all of the handbook is outdated
21:25 < rxr> Bart-: dump jsut works
21:25 < rxr> for a best experience run the postinstall stuff
21:25 < mnemoc> :)
21:26 < Bart-> not sure what are you talking about
21:26 < rxr> morfoh: ok - you you have no init and you fear it is those dirs are empty ?
21:26 < Bart-> I don't want useless ISO - this box doesn't have CDRW
21:26 < rxr> morfoh: the code is in target/install/build_initrd.sh
21:27 < rxr> Bart-: untar and chroot and setup the usual stuff as used
21:27 < rxr> used to
21:27 < mnemoc> Bart-: dump, chroot, run postinstall, stone setup
21:27 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I've observed most parts of it, but I can't find the problem
21:27 < rxr> morfoh: what target is it ?
21:27 < mnemoc> Bart-: don't forget to mount /proc and /sys right after chroot
21:28 < morfoh> rxr: mnemosyne
21:28 < rxr> IC
21:28 < rxr> ic even
21:28 < rxr> I could test sometime next week
21:28 < rxr> if you want a reference you could try a generic+minimal in addition to diff
21:29 < morfoh> rxr: but do you really think it depends on the target ?
21:29 < rxr> nope
21:29 < rxr> but generic+minimal worked some days ago
21:29 < rxr> hm
21:29 < rxr> or it does
21:29 < morfoh> rxr: I thought all "Magic" was moved into new mkinitrd
21:29 < rxr> maybe mnemosyne does some more stuff forcing the posttarget stuff to fail?
21:29 < rxr> depends
21:30 < mnemoc> hey! don't blame mnemosyne
21:30 < rxr> the install cd-boot stuff has another initrd of course
21:30 < morfoh> rxr: there are no error's
21:30 < rxr> mnemoc: I don't
21:30 < mnemoc> good :)
21:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack :)
21:30 < rxr> I just say it the posttarget stuff might not integrate well with it (yet=
21:30 < rxr> and a generic+minimal might be a useful reference
21:30 < Bart-> mnemoc, rxr, no such script "dump"
21:30 < rxr> .oO
21:31 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... thanks for the hint :)
21:31 < rxr> morfoh: the install boot cd initrd is create by the target/install/build_initrd.sh
21:31 < rxr> that is stuff is exchanged and added to the intird build within your kernel build
21:31 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... I'll check the one on minimal-desktop
21:32 < rxr> maybe mnemosyne does alter some pathes used by the posttarget stuff or does not call some stuff
21:32 < rxr> whatever
21:32 < rxr> I have to sleep - n8 all
21:33 < CIA-2> aldas * r14955 /trunk/package/multimedia/lirc/ (6 files): * updated lirc (0.8.0pre4 -> 0.8.0)
21:33 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... sleep well ;)
21:33 < mnemoc> Bart-: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dump
21:36 < Bart-> I know what dump means, I thought about t2-trunk/package/base/dump but it looks like dump itself rather than script for dumping sth ;]
21:38 < mnemoc> loop over the tarballs and extract them over a mount point
21:40 < Bart-> in progress
21:41 * morfoh needs a beer for washing away the pain :p
21:42 < mnemoc> morfoh: :)
21:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: :)
21:42 * morfoh offering a beer to master mnemoc
21:42 < mnemoc> thanks
21:43 < morfoh> yw
21:43 < morfoh> ahhhhhh ... yes ... now I feel better :)
21:43 < demian> anyone skilled with sql ?
21:44 < morfoh> mnemoc: how can we "leak" a build_initrd.sh into syne ?
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21:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess your coming from chile ... or isn't it ?
21:47 < mnemoc> yes i come from, and i am at chile
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21:54 < Bart-> mnemoc, "postinstall"? Are you talkind about /etc/posinstall.d.*
21:54 < mnemoc> Bart-: yes, execute those scripts
21:54 < Bart-> only one -> xorg
21:55 < Bart-> which actually failed due to lack of mkfontscale and mkfontdir
21:55 < mnemoc> uhm?!
21:57 < Bart-> I even know why
21:58 < Bart-> this is PATH in chroot: /usr/games:/home/bart/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
21:58 < mnemoc> uhm
21:58 < Bart-> but these programs sit in /usr/X11R7/bin
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22:00 < Bart-> lots of distibutions generally stop supporting /usr/X11R* prefix
22:01 < LMJ> hello
22:01 < Bart-> hi
22:02 < Bart-> crashed again, perhaps somebody should run ldconfig first ;]
22:04 < mnemoc> Bart-: /usr/X11/ should be used
22:04 < mnemoc> Bart-: so that script needs to be patched
22:06 < Bart-> can I fix it for myself now?
22:07 < mnemoc> sure
22:08 < Bart-> I wonder what will crash next ;]
22:10 < mnemoc> :)
22:11 < Bart-> mnemoc, I didn't check this before but X11 exists, is a symlink to X11R7 ;]
22:12 < mnemoc> but /usr/X11/bin must be used on PATHs
22:16 < Bart-> stone setup hangs when showing second window
22:16 < Bart-> it says: Paswords 1 and 2 are not he same but paswords weren't set yet
22:17 < mnemoc> TERM problem maybe?
22:18 < Bart-> says: cannot open tty-output
22:18 < Bart-> permissions messed up?
22:19 < Bart-> must be killed
22:19 < mnemoc> dev ?
22:20 < Bart-> there are no devices in chroot except null
22:22 < CIA-2> aldas * r14956 /trunk/package/x11/fvwm/fvwm.desc: * updated fvwm (2.5.15 -> 2.5.16)
22:23 < mnemoc> those are the problems of dumping, you depend on host's kernel, arch, dev system, ...
22:23 < Bart-> yep, not sure what to do to not depend
22:24 < Bart-> besides, /etc/stone.d/mod_setup.sh won't work with minimal sh due to // sybsitutions
22:24 < mnemoc> one option is to copy nodes from host to guest
22:25 < Bart-> tried to preserve as much as possible, I'll check it
22:26 < mnemoc> i haven't have u/dev experience yet... i don't know if you can get it running inside chroot too
22:26 < mnemoc> with devfs it's easy
22:26 < mnemoc> just mount
22:29 < Bart-> it's too late for this
22:31 < Bart-> i'll try tomorrow
22:31 < mnemoc> cu
22:31 < Bart-> cu
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22:37 < CIA-2> aldas * r14957 /trunk/package/network/mod_security/mod_security.desc: * updated mod_security (1.9.1 -> 1.9.2)
23:04 < demian> what decides if a file is binary or not? because at least one of its characters is not ascii ?
23:08 < mnemoc> non-text characters i thing
23:08 < mnemoc> think
23:08 < mnemoc> bbl
23:09 < morfoh> cu mnemoc ... good ride :p
23:09 < mnemoc> thanks :)
23:09 < mnemoc> bank in 1h
23:09 < mnemoc> back
23:09 < mnemoc> :\
23:09 < mnemoc> cu
23:09 < morfoh> cu
23:13 < CIA-2> aldas * r14959 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/ (hotfix.patch poppler.conf poppler.desc): * updated poppler (0.4.3 -> 0.4.4)
23:22 < CIA-2> aldas * r14958 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (1.3.0 -> 1.3.1)
23:23 < CIA-2> aldas * r14960 /trunk/package/emulators/gngeo/gngeo.desc: * updated gngeo (0.6.6 -> 0.6.7)
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