T2 IRC Log: 2006-01-19

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--- Log opened Thu Jan 19 00:00:43 2006
00:29 < CIA-2> aldas * r14909 /trunk/package/scientific/xaos/xaos.desc: * updated xaos (3.1.2 -> 3.1.3)
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05:37 < axion__> anyone good with shell scripting?
05:38 < _Ragnar_> man bash
05:38 < axion__> yeah i cant find it there
05:38 < _Ragnar_> what?:)
05:39 < axion__> [09:25pm] ... nick sparc-kl1 -> sparc-kly
05:39 < axion__> oops
05:40 < axion__> for i in `1 $#`; is my loop start
05:40 < axion__> but instead of echo'ing $i, i want to echo $$i, to echo the parameter given
05:40 < axion__> $$i doesnt work :) i'm a newb :)
05:42 < _Ragnar_> uhm yea I see
05:42 < axion__> err i meant to have `seq 1 $#`
05:45 < _Ragnar_> why not for $i in $@ ; do
05:48 < axion__> wont't work for what i need
05:48 < _Ragnar_> hmmm O_O
05:48 < axion__> i need to manipulate a variable based on how many parameters and the content of them
05:48 < _Ragnar_> dunno then
05:49 < axion__> ok thanks
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06:31 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
06:31 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006]
06:31 [Users #t2]
06:31 [@ChanServ] [ demian] [ mnemoc ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly]
06:31 [ axion_ ] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
06:31 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_ ] [ _Ragnar_ ]
06:31 [ CIA-2 ] [ LMJ ] [ netrunner] [ sepp_]
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06:31 < rxr_> axion_: still shell problems ?
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07:10 < rxr_> re
07:33 < owl> mnemoc: hi. i was sleeping... my birds, hasmsters and so are fine. thx
07:33 < owl> moin
07:43 < rxr_> moin owl
08:06 < rxr_> http://www.gp2x.com/
08:06 -!- You're now known as rxr
08:06 < rxr> ^- ordered one for T2 embedded, PDA testing and CeBIT demoing
08:11 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr
08:11 < mtr> moin
08:28 < mtr> gp2x f100 ? pretty nice, can you quote a price ?
08:30 < valentin> short moin
08:30 < mtr> moin valentin
08:38 < owl> hi rxr , mtr , valentin
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08:44 < mtr> hi owl
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09:52 < CIA-2> mtr * r14910 /trunk/package/editors/ne/ (ne.conf ne.desc):
09:52 < CIA-2> * decustmain'ed ne
09:52 < CIA-2> * cross builds, added to stage 1
09:55 < CIA-2> mtr * r14911 /trunk/package/base/busybox/ (busybox.conf busybox.desc):
09:55 < CIA-2> * updated busybox (1.01 -> 1.1.0)
09:55 < CIA-2> * added conf file in $targetdir
10:44 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFFC0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
10:54 < mtr> fl_wrapper.so is broken for uClibc :(
10:54 < mtr> Build-Pkg crashes when chrooting right after stage 1
10:56 < mtr> this is related to r14501, jsaw, are you around?
10:57 < mtr> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/1NRdqh68.html
11:18 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14912 /trunk/package/base/gettext/ (4 files): * update gettext (0.14.1 -> 0.14.5)
11:20 < jsaw> mtr: I'm busy, a bit later...
11:21 < rxr> re
11:22 < mtr> jsaw: np ;-)
11:23 < mtr> moin rxr , jsaw
11:23 < rxr> moin mtr
11:23 < rxr> did anyone tried building open office on a 64bit platform ?
11:59 < mnemoc> moin!
12:01 < Baldzius> hi mnemoc, rxr
12:03 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius
12:03 * mnemoc started his first sparc64 build of 2.1.1.1 ..... let see
12:26 < karasz> moin all
12:26 < karasz> buenos dias senor mnemoc
12:27 < karasz> zdraslutye kommrad morfoh
12:27 < owl> hi karasz
12:27 < karasz> hi owlita
12:27 < mnemoc> moin karasz
12:27 < mnemoc> moin owl
12:29 < karasz> mnemoc: i didn't forgot about crossbuilds
12:29 < karasz> i just didnn't know how to handle them...
12:30 < karasz> brb
12:31 < rxr> mnemoc: sparc build ?
12:31 < rxr> moin mnemoc !
12:33 < mnemoc> moin rxr!
12:33 < mnemoc> sparc-kly's box
12:33 < mnemoc> high latency, but promising
12:33 < rxr> ah
12:33 < rxr> fast ?
12:33 < mnemoc> this gentoo livecd is useless
12:34 < mnemoc> Calibrating delay loop... 719.25 BogoMIPS
12:34 < mnemoc> Memory: 1030736k available (2064k kernel code, 480k data, 168k init) [fffff80000000000,000000003ff48000]
12:35 < rxr> "Unparalleled image quality"???
12:35 < rxr> http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/prof_accessories_mainboards/scanners/scanners.html
12:35 < rxr> what is unparallel images ?
12:37 < mnemoc> you have to buy one to see
12:37 < mnemoc> i have to go, bbl (1h)
12:39 < rxr> cu mnemoc
12:39 < karasz> cu mnemoc
12:41 < karasz> rxr i have some issues with my patch to pgadmin3
12:41 < karasz> i wonder if you can give me some indications about how to patch that for crossbuilds
12:43 < rxr> what detail are you talking about ?
12:44 < karasz> basicaly i have to instruct to look for /lib or /lib64
12:44 < karasz> i made the patch using uname -m but that i guess (as mnemoc said) will fail on crossbuilds
12:45 < rxr> uname is forbidden - not only due crossbuilds ...
12:46 < rxr> you could use the arch_target defined inside configure
12:46 < karasz> i sent the patch along with .conf and .desc to ML (it is pgAdmin3)
12:46 < rxr> of just use what was given as libdir
12:46 < karasz> in original configure /lib is hardcoded o_O
12:47 < karasz> and i lack the knowledge to extensively modify the configure which is kinda huge
12:47 < rxr> I know
12:47 < rxr> karasz: send the patch as it is
12:47 < rxr> I take a look what variable to use ...
12:47 < karasz> sent already
12:47 < rxr> right now I'm overbusy ...
12:47 < karasz> to the ML
12:47 < rxr> too much work and uni stuff to do the next days ..
12:47 < rxr> karasz: ok - fine
12:48 < karasz> it is not an urgent issue
12:48 < karasz> i am thinking about contacting the developers to fix that
12:52 < nzg> skype and mupad have complaints running on my t2-desktop
12:52 < nzg> libstdc++.so.5: version `CXXABI_1.2' not found
12:53 < nzg> libstdc++.so.5: version `GLIBCPP_3.2' not found
12:53 < morfoh> on an older T2 at least skype was running for me ... f* closed src
12:54 < morfoh> btw, hi * :)
12:54 < nzg> hi morfoh
12:54 < karasz> zdraslutye kommrad morfoh
12:54 < nzg> hm, the t2-desktop i used to build this-one had the same problems
12:55 < morfoh> spassibo tavarish karasz-san :)
12:55 < karasz> Baldzius: do you know kybyns ?
12:58 < rxr> /home/quick/t2-trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: command substitution: line 106: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"'
12:58 < rxr> /home/quick/t2-trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: command substitution: line 107: syntax error: unexpected end of file
12:58 < rxr> ?
12:59 < rxr> .oO
12:59 < rxr> is
12:59 < rxr> might be even /me
12:59 < rxr> 14302 rene
12:59 < rxr> shame on me
13:01 < CIA-2> rene * r14913 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: * fixed syntax error in new ooo.conf due to arch2uname migration
13:10 < rxr> ouhm
13:11 < rxr> my 8GB /home/quick riser4 partition is too small for ooo build ...
13:11 < rxr> forgot about that ...
13:11 < rxr> :-(
13:11 < morfoh> rxr: ouch
13:12 < mnemoc> rehi
13:12 < morfoh> wb mnemoc :)
13:12 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
13:18 < karasz> re hi mnemoc
13:18 < karasz> i sent an email to pgadmin3 development group
13:18 < karasz> i wonder how will they react .oO
13:19 < mnemoc> :)
13:20 < karasz> anyway, 64 bit systems are not that uncommon
13:20 < karasz> i wonder how did theuy manage until now .....
13:21 < mnemoc> major distributions just patch
13:21 < karasz> anyway... it should be fixed
13:22 < karasz> beside that is quite good product, it would be a pity if they do not fix that...
13:22 < mnemoc> phppgadmin is good enough :)
13:23 < karasz> but requires apache
13:23 < karasz> i am not very fond of that...
13:24 < demian> hi
13:24 < mnemoc> lighttpd
13:24 < mnemoc> hi demian
13:25 < karasz> nah i do not have a problem with apache but with web-php based tools...
13:25 < mnemoc> :)
13:25 < karasz> but then again it is maybe just me being over paranoid...
13:25 < demian> then use aspx
13:25 < karasz> demina?
13:25 < mnemoc> *G*
13:25 < karasz> demian: ?
13:25 < mnemoc> mono-xsp/mod_mono :)
13:26 < demian> true
13:26 < karasz> bbl
13:26 < demian> i would use mono on everything that doesn't implies UI stuff.
13:28 * demian reading dilbert's comics
13:28 < mnemoc> gtk# is nice :)
13:29 < demian> have some code using gtk#? i hope it doesnt look like gtk-C bindings code.
13:30 < demian> gtk_text_box_set_buffer_text (get_buffer_text_from_..); -> that is what i dunt like.
13:30 < mnemoc> nah
13:32 < LMJ> hello the chan
13:32 < demian> .L.M.J.
13:35 < LMJ> how are you guys ?
13:35 < CIA-2> aldas * r14914 /trunk/package/scientific/euler/ (compile-fix.patch euler.conf euler.desc):
13:35 < CIA-2> * added -D_POSIX_SOURCE to CC in euler.conf
13:35 < CIA-2> * updated copyrights
13:36 < Baldzius> karasz: what's that .. kybyns ???
13:37 < Baldzius> hi LMJ, demian, karasz :)
13:37 < owl> moin LMJ
13:37 < Baldzius> hi owl :)
13:38 < demian> http://www.frappr.com/demianfriends
13:38 < demian> please
13:38 < morfoh> hi Baldzius, LMJ , demian, owl :)
13:38 < Baldzius> hi currywurst master :)
13:40 * morfoh is wondering how someone can be a "currywurst master" if he is not eating any meat :)
13:40 < Baldzius> afraid of bird flu? :))))
13:40 < Baldzius> joking :)
13:42 < owl> sigh. very friendly. *boook*
14:10 < rxr> mnemoc: you never built ooo for 64bit ?
14:11 < mnemoc> i have never seen a 64bits machine
14:12 < rxr> soon will ...
14:12 < mnemoc> :)
14:12 < rxr> ok - I give it a spin anway, since I'm the only one of a group of students I'm in to do a prsentation next week
14:12 < mnemoc> ok... /me moving to the bank... i can't arrive there on bike :p
14:13 < rxr> and the other two girls are only office app aware thus I fear I need something M$ Office equivalent on my box to do the text and presentation next week ..
14:13 < rxr> mnemoc: cu
14:13 < mnemoc> oh
14:13 < mnemoc> good luck .doc-aware rxr
14:13 < rxr> after all a design study ...
14:13 < mnemoc> *g*
14:13 < rxr> one asked who is good doing good loking MS PowerPoint stuf ...
14:13 < mnemoc> .ppt-aware rxr*
14:13 < mnemoc> *G*
14:13 < rxr> i only commented I M$ apps don't like me too much ...
14:14 < mnemoc> "why???"
14:14 < rxr> like currupting files while I work on them and such ...
14:14 < rxr> Fatal error in mspp.exe ...
14:14 < mnemoc> :)
14:14 < rxr> or whatever this powerpoint binary was nemed like ...
14:14 < mnemoc> bbl :)
14:14 < rxr> even this damed Mac version crahed on me with the Mac driver ...
14:14 < mnemoc> uh
14:14 < rxr> and M$ wanted 300EUR from me if they look into the bug on their side ...
14:15 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not want to hold you uop ..
14:15 * rxr just babbling some stuff to avoid starting ooo compilation again ...
14:17 < mnemoc> :)
14:17 < mnemoc> *cu*
14:18 < rxr> cu
14:26 < rxr> hm
14:26 < rxr> I think I'll give reiser4 a try on my whole /home ...
14:27 < demian> bye rxr
14:28 < rxr> bye ?
14:32 < demian> erm.. it was mnemoc :)
14:34 < morfoh> bbl
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15:12 < Baldzius> !> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: vservers
15:12 < Baldzius> -> $root/var/adm/logs/5-vserver-utils.out -> 5-vserver-utils.err
15:13 < Baldzius> ^^ -- morfoh x86 ref build
15:16 < CIA-2> aldas * r14915 /trunk/package/security/john/ (john.conf john.desc locations.patch): * added -D_POSIX_SOURCE to CC in john.conf && updated copyrights
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15:21 < mnemoc> rehi
15:23 -!- sepp__ is now known as sepp
15:23 < Baldzius> wb bank robber :)
15:24 < mnemoc> :)
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15:31 < rxr> hi mnemoc
15:32 < mnemoc> hi rxr
15:32 < demian> talking about bank's robbers.. mnemoc did u saw the news about the assault to an argentina's bank ?
15:36 < mnemoc> nope
15:45 < demian> nice rob. $200.000, they cave a tunnel under the bank..
15:46 < mnemoc> hehe
15:48 < karasz> re
15:48 < karasz> Baldzius: so you don't know kybyns?
15:50 < karasz> Chanel food of the day : Kybyns , bon apetit ;)
15:51 < mnemoc> o.o
15:52 < karasz> mnemoc: http://p.vtourist.com/1/1624331-Trakai.jpg
15:52 < karasz> it is very tasty, trust me... :D
15:52 < mnemoc> looks tasty
15:52 < karasz> dough +lamb meat +vegies...
15:52 < karasz> yumi!
15:54 < karasz> a Karaim speciality from Lithuania ;)
15:55 < Baldzius> oh those Kybyns ... :)
15:55 < karasz> :D
15:55 < karasz> now you know them?
15:55 < Baldzius> yes, but i'am not mad about them :)
15:56 < Baldzius> ever been in Lithunia?
15:56 < karasz> nope
15:56 < Baldzius> so how you know Kybyns?
15:56 < karasz> ;)
15:56 < mnemoc> national geographic channel?
15:56 < Baldzius> :)))))))
15:57 < karasz> not quite, i like to prepare exotic recepies...
15:57 < mnemoc> Baldzius is exotic
15:57 < karasz> thou i must confes mine does not look that good as in the photo
15:57 < Baldzius> hehehe
15:57 < Baldzius> karasz: have a photo ? :)
15:57 < karasz> no
15:58 < karasz> i cannot get those margins to fold that nice...
15:58 < karasz> so mine look sqary and quite ugly margins on them... ;(
15:59 < karasz> but they are just as good as the original (i guess)
15:59 < mnemoc> here the border form identify the content
15:59 < karasz> mnemoc: ?
16:00 < karasz> i do not think that you have Kybyns in Chile ....
16:00 < mnemoc> the 'margins' of that kind of food are pressed to take a form
16:00 < karasz> ahum
16:00 < karasz> now i get it
16:00 < karasz> interesting...
16:00 < mnemoc> you can put lot of different things inside that 'envelope'
16:01 < karasz> here we make 'pockets' and you know that they are sweet or salty by the sugar on them
16:01 < mnemoc> hehe
16:01 < mnemoc> we are more 'artistic' :)
16:01 < karasz> but the containt (meat or cheese or vegies) is a mistery until you bite them ...
16:01 < karasz> mnemoc: ack
16:02 < mnemoc> no 'sea stuff' on yours?
16:03 < mnemoc> seafood
16:04 < karasz> nope
16:04 < karasz> we do not use very much sea food except fish
16:06 < mnemoc> poor karasz
16:07 < karasz> i dunno
16:07 < karasz> i am not very fond of sea food
16:07 < karasz> i tryed squid and kalamari and i didn't liked them
16:07 < mnemoc> rxr: why 0-gcc want to use a t2 compiler, and not just host? (sparc64 native build on a gentoo livecd)
16:07 < karasz> crab, and other homars are sort of ok
16:08 < mnemoc> how can you claim to cook exotic food if seefood is not on your menu :)
16:08 < karasz> :D
16:09 < karasz> it is exotic by my taste...
16:09 < rxr> mnemoc: what compiler does it try to use ?
16:09 < mnemoc> sparc64-t2-....-nm
16:09 < demian> bye
16:09 < mnemoc> but host has sparc64-unknown-....-nm
16:09 < karasz> also i didn't tried rats, dogs, cats and bugs or worms....
16:09 < mnemoc> sparc-t2-....-nm is at tools.cross
16:10 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe that is due to the custom code in arch/sparc64/parse-config or so
16:10 < rxr> I can check
16:10 < rxr> maybe the last changes are nto stage 01 tested ...
16:10 < mnemoc> i'll see...
16:12 < rxr> most probable a $stagelevel comparator missing
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16:25 < rxr> so - ooo build start after converting my subnotebook /home into resiser4
16:25 < rxr> reiser4
16:25 < rxr> let's see how soon I scream ...
16:25 < rxr> though I fear more because ooo breaks on x86-64 than due reiser4
16:25 < mnemoc> sata?
16:25 < mnemoc> i have good feelings about reiser4
16:27 < rxr> mnemoc: tried it somewhere?
16:27 < rxr> no sata btw.
16:27 < rxr> at least I think so ...
16:28 < rxr> I already opened the book to exchange the crappy Cisco w-lan card, but I do not remeber to see the HD cable
16:28 < morfoh> rxr: I doubt that it has sata
16:29 < rxr> description: PCI driver module for ATI IXP IDE
16:29 < rxr> hack
16:29 < rxr> ack
16:29 < rxr> also it is /dev/hdX ,-)
16:29 < rxr> though many recent books have sata ...
16:29 < mnemoc> rxr: not, i haven't tried it yet
16:29 < mnemoc> nope*
16:30 < rxr> time svn st t2-trunk
16:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: so it's a more esoteric feeling you have regarding reiser4 ;)
16:30 < rxr> real 0m12.123s
16:30 < rxr> user 0m0.992s
16:30 < rxr> sys 0m2.144s
16:30 < rxr> while building ooo
16:30 < rxr> and cached
16:30 < rxr> real 0m2.890s
16:30 < rxr> user 0m0.908s
16:30 < rxr> sys 0m1.852s
16:30 < rxr> I like those times ...
16:31 < rxr> even way faster than reiserfs (v3)
16:31 < rxr> ooo
16:31 < rxr> checking for audio/audiolib.h... no
16:31 < rxr> checking for audio/audiolib.h... (cached) no
16:31 < rxr> configure: error: no. install nas
16:31 < mnemoc> morfoh: ack
16:31 < rxr> why does it need audio fluff I do not wanna have ...
16:32 < rxr> grummeling
16:32 < mnemoc> don't you want sounds on your reports? :)
16:33 < rxr> nas did not built due to imake legacy jadda jadda ...
16:40 < karasz> sound on reports it is a must
16:40 < karasz> .oOOo. :D
16:41 < karasz> right now i have some problems with sounds...
16:41 < karasz> my computer keeps makin those baby stegosaurus type sounds now and then...
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16:42 < rxr> karasz: especially tunnel via a network somewhere else ...
16:45 < misl> hi folks
16:46 < rxr> hi rocket
16:47 < misl> :)
16:47 -!- misl is now known as rocketman
16:48 < karasz> rxr i didn't catch that tunnel stuff...
16:48 * rocketman wonders when his rocket is able to fly without problems ;)
16:48 -!- rocketman is now known as misl
16:49 < rxr> mnemoc: I think removing -traditional from the imake config files in /usr/X11/lib*/X11/config/* fixes nas compilation
16:49 < karasz> bbl
16:49 < rxr> ack
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16:49 < rxr> mnemoc: any vote? CPP_WRAPPER or patch it away from the image cf package?
16:50 < mnemoc> rxr: patch is more evident
16:50 < mnemoc> and we will see a change on future releases
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16:51 < rxr> future release of imake legacy cruft? ouhm ...
16:51 < mnemoc> no? ok :)
16:52 < rxr> I hope the hell freezes over before more imake cruft hits the open source streets ...
16:52 < mnemoc> my brain is thinking in sql and tickets, it can't handle a third thought :)
16:53 < karasz> re
16:53 < karasz> mnemoc: lemme brag a little ;) http://karasz.pastebin.ca/37433
16:54 < rxr> bets taken, do I get a x86-64 ooo before the end of the weekened ?
16:54 < mnemoc> i say no :p
16:54 < rxr> GNU/DOS 2006
16:55 < rxr> T2/DOS anyone ?
16:55 < mnemoc> karasz: :)
16:55 < rxr> mnemoc: I too
16:55 < mnemoc> :)
16:55 < mnemoc> i want to build freedos on t2 some day
16:57 < rxr> mnemoc: what is the jave status of ooo on trunk?
16:57 < rxr> required, not required, does not build either way ?
16:57 < rxr> build when one let's ooo bootstrap it, own compiler, kernel, C library and boot loader?
16:58 < mnemoc> not required to build, but you wont have any wizard
16:58 < rxr> hm, with a ooo and flite build in parallel reiser4 cause audio xruns ...
16:58 < rxr> at least whith mpg123 playing the fie.s
16:58 < rxr> wizard for?
16:58 < rxr> those hopping dogs?
16:59 < mnemoc> fetching dictionaries, for example
16:59 < mnemoc> generate graphics, ...
16:59 < mnemoc> rxr: hey! change ooo_lang to en-US
16:59 < mnemoc> ooo_lang=ALL will fail
17:01 < rxr> .oO
17:01 < rxr> why is it the default then?
17:02 < mnemoc> because 2.0.0.1 had a patch to accept 'long names'
17:02 < mnemoc> which i couldn't find on 2.0.1 so i wrongly assumed the issue was solved
17:02 < mnemoc> but nzg had the 'long names' error after 6-7h building :\
17:03 < rxr> so en-US helps there?
17:03 < mnemoc> yes
17:03 < rxr> hm
17:04 < rxr> untarring this ooo monster is quite a hit even with reiser4
17:04 < rxr> but I think I should get more ram for the subnotebook
17:04 < mnemoc> ooo generate a files which includes every active language in it's name
17:05 < rxr> ah no
17:06 < rxr> this is due to some cc1 on flite eats my swap ..
17:06 < mnemoc> http://www.ekiga.org./
17:07 < morfoh> :)
17:07 < mnemoc> gtk :)
17:08 * morfoh shaking .... :)
17:08 < mnemoc> "Ekiga was formerly known as GnomeMeeting." svn mv ?
17:09 < misl> morfoh: quick your medicine
17:09 < misl> :)
17:09 < morfoh> :)
17:09 < mnemoc> :)
17:14 < rxr> huh?
17:17 < rxr> mnemoc: this name sucks majorly ...
17:17 < morfoh> rxr: why ?
17:23 < rxr> does not sound a bit like voip, e.g. unusable for newcomers and is hard to remeber
17:23 < rxr> morfoh: guess why on osx all is named Apple Mail, Finder, Preview, Pages, Keynote, ...
17:24 < rxr> and why M$ renamed their Outlook fluff into M$$$ Mail ...
17:24 < rxr> giving all apps cryptic names does not help Linux on the Desktop a bit
17:24 < rxr> and distributions will rename their menu entries to match reality ...
17:24 < misl> GnomeTalk? :D
17:25 < rxr> well, in the developers blog he writes he wanted to get rid of the gnome in the name
17:25 < morfoh> rxr: of course app names are important parts of usability
17:25 < rxr> Open or Free Talk or whatsoever, but what was it? Ekiga ... well, I have my doubts
17:25 < rxr> guess I break my fingers when I have to type it some more times
17:26 < Baldzius> :)
17:26 < morfoh> rxr: or you can hide it behind an icon ;p
17:28 < Baldzius> morfoh: did you notice my note about vserver-utils?
17:29 < morfoh> Baldzius: hmmm ... strange ... I tested the build more than once ...
17:30 < Baldzius> morfoh: Emerge-Pkg ?
17:30 < rxr> hm
17:31 < rxr> closinng vim with :x! I get some audio dropouts, gues vim does some flush() causing some big journal commit storms ...
17:31 < morfoh> Baldzius: mom ... already checking, but I didn't check Emerge-Pkg with it
17:32 < Baldzius> hm
17:32 < Baldzius> i'll try with Emerge
17:32 < morfoh> Baldzius: already doing that
17:32 < Baldzius> me also :)
17:32 < morfoh> good :)
17:33 < morfoh> Baldzius: == 01/19/06 18:34:21 =[9]=> Finished building package vserver-utils.
17:34 < Baldzius> wait a sec, i have ref build in parallel :)
17:35 < owl> re
17:35 < rxr> this unallowed top-dir should always happend
17:35 < rxr> regardless of parallel
17:35 < Baldzius> hm
17:36 < Baldzius> =[9]=> Aborted building package vserver-utils.
17:36 < Baldzius> ^^ -- investigating .....
17:37 < Baldzius> rxr: it failed for me when i had ref build only
17:39 < rxr> damn ooo does not find the kde libries in .../lib, of course they are in ../lib64 here ..
17:40 * rxr disabling that code chunk, /me needs no kde support for now ...
17:42 < misl> Can someone help to get crossbuilds going for 2.1?
17:42 < misl> dietlibc fails --> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/glBQsl30.html
17:47 < Baldzius> morfoh: hm, strange it passed on ref now
17:47 < Baldzius> mysterious
17:47 < Baldzius> hmm
18:09 < rxr> Baldzius: i do nof know off hand where the top-level dir checker is
18:09 < rxr> Baldzius: maybe it only checks fresh installed files and on the 2nd build it is already there ...
18:18 < karasz> btw is Artistic Licence soported by T2?
18:18 < Baldzius> hm
18:18 < mnemoc> yes
18:18 < Baldzius> very strange
18:18 < mnemoc> misl: 2.1??
18:18 < Baldzius> still fails on Emerge
18:18 < karasz> mnemoc: yes for me?
18:18 < mnemoc> karasz: yes, yes for you
18:18 < misl> mnemoc: yes
18:18 < karasz> because pgAdmin is Artistic not GPL....
18:18 < mnemoc> misl: i did nasty changes on dietlibc, but nothing yet commited to 2.1
18:19 < mnemoc> karasz: misc/share/REGISTER:150: Artistic The Artistic License
18:19 < karasz> ohum
18:19 < karasz> i will change the license when we came to a resolution abt crossbuilds
18:19 < karasz> is that ok?
18:20 < karasz> just to not have too many svn diff's
18:21 < karasz> ?
18:22 < rxr> your female minister is on http://wikipedia.org headline
18:23 < karasz> ?
18:23 < mnemoc> yeah, my fatty
18:24 < mnemoc> don't you see, why are modern :D like a european country
18:24 < karasz> bbl cu guys
18:24 < rxr> mnemoc: watch ours, not much better ...
18:24 < mnemoc> cu karasz
18:24 < rxr> (if at all)
18:24 < mnemoc> :)
18:25 * rxr doing uni research on the Geode LX with Konqueror
18:25 < rxr> Mozilla is damn slow - but Konqueror is cool on the box ...
18:25 < Baldzius> WARNING! - don't update libtiff to 3.8.0 <- it'll break several packages on ref (chroot)
18:26 < mnemoc> Baldzius: add a comment on .desc
18:26 < Baldzius> 'k
18:27 < Baldzius> strange that all those package compiles with Emerge-Pkg
18:27 * Baldzius confused
18:27 < rxr> so - now my subnostebook is a fatnotebook and has mozilla
18:28 < mnemoc> and soon ooo
18:28 < rxr> let's see how far this even fatter oo beast comes now
18:28 < mnemoc> and kde! :)
18:29 < rxr> kde?
18:29 < rxr> kde is slim and fast ...
18:29 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6337 Dec 26 16:22 /opt/kde3/bin/konqueror
18:29 < rxr> heh
18:31 < mnemoc> cheater :)
18:31 < rxr> just modular ,-)
18:32 < rxr> and not reinventing every posible wheel ,-))
18:32 < mnemoc> the fat flows through it's veins :)
18:33 < mnemoc> somehow reminding me M$ Windows and M$ Internet Explorer :)
18:35 < rxr> hell no ...
18:36 < mnemoc> :)
18:37 < misl> mnemoc: I get these dietlibc problems for every possible x86 optimization
18:37 < mnemoc> uhm
18:38 < misl> I wonder why there is x86_64 in the log as well?
18:38 < mnemoc> i built a minimal and a bootdisk yesterday :(
18:38 < mnemoc> uhm?
18:38 < misl> I did crossbuilds on noisy
18:38 < misl> x86_64 does build with every possible optimization
18:39 < rxr> ok, let's see: 2.0M Jan 19 19:40 /var/adm/logs/9-ooo.out
18:39 < mnemoc> that's just the begining :)
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18:40 < mnemoc> expect 500 times that, with xtrace
18:40 < rxr> whooo?
18:40 < mnemoc> 17M build/ref-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/logs/5-ooo.err <--- after 2h iirc
18:40 < rxr> John Maeda has photos on http://www.flickr.com/photos/maeda ?
18:43 < demian> how can see what is the name of the actual file used in a particular web browser's frame? i see only the frame used to index the other frame..
18:44 < demian> forget it..
18:44 < demian> i used links.
18:44 < mnemoc> :)
18:45 < demian> umm.. strange..
18:47 < rxr> 3.3MB ooo log
18:47 < rxr> how big was it getting?
18:47 < rxr> 30MB?
18:52 < mnemoc> multilanguage or en-US only?
18:53 < mnemoc> i'm more used to messure by buildtime...
18:53 < rxr> en-US
18:53 < mnemoc> 7h on ata133, 6h on sata
18:53 < mnemoc> same processor, same memory
18:53 < rxr> we have no time for x86-64 AMD Turion yet ..
18:54 < mnemoc> yes, i guess 30,40
18:54 < mnemoc> :)
18:54 < rxr> and mine has: laptop HD and 512MB RAM - shared video memory ...
18:56 < rxr> still buildign 4.6MB
18:56 < mnemoc> 10h :p
18:56 < CIA-2> aldas * r14916 /trunk/package/network/licq/ (compile-fix.patch config.hlp config.in licq.conf licq.desc): * added licq/compile-fix.patch && copyright updates
18:57 < rxr> 4.9MB
18:57 < rxr> watch "du -h /var/adm/logs/9-ooo.out ; tail /var/adm/logs/9-ooo.out"
18:58 < rxr> heh
18:59 < rxr> do you liste to the radio?
18:59 < rxr> John Maeda: I listen to news radio once in a while, but it gets me depressed.
19:02 < rxr> 7.1MB
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19:10 < Bart-> hi
19:11 < Bart-> I've just found T2 on distrowatch and got a question about instalation process
19:12 < misl> Hi Bart++ :)
19:12 < Bart-> do I need to boot ISO of floppy image in order to performinstalation using another Linux?
19:13 < Bart-> I don't have CD writer but hadnbook says something about installing straight(?) from cd
19:13 < Bart-> *from hdd
19:13 < mnemoc> no, you can decompress the files to a mount mount, mount proc and dev by hand and chroot
19:13 < mnemoc> then you run 'stone' and continue the installation
19:13 < mnemoc> mount point*
19:14 < Bart-> what you meaqn decompress? mount -o loop is not sufficient?
19:14 < Bart-> do I need to unpack ISO?
19:15 < mnemoc> the iso includes a lot of .gem files (.tar.bz2 + cdb), one per package
19:16 < mnemoc> mount -o loop first, sure
19:17 < CIA-2> aldas * r14917 /trunk/package/graphic/libtiff/ (libtiff.conf libtiff.desc thumbnail-fixup.patch):
19:17 < CIA-2> * added warning note in libtiff.desc about package update (test
19:17 < CIA-2> libtiff >=3.8.0 and dependants on ref (chroot) build before
19:17 < CIA-2> commiting)
19:17 < CIA-2> * updated copyrights
19:18 < rxr> ?
19:19 < rxr> In file included from /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/src.ooo.default.20060119.192906.27944.localhost/ooo-build-2.0.1/build/ooa680-m1/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_x86-64/uno2cpp.cxx:41:
19:19 < rxr> ../../../inc/bridges/cpp_uno/bridge.hxx:39:36: error: bridges/cpp_uno/bridge.h:
19:19 < rxr> No such file or directory
19:19 < mnemoc> o.o
19:22 < Bart-> mnemoc, OK, managed to suck minimal ISO
19:22 < Bart-> it is possible to throw away PAM?
19:22 < rxr> find -name bridge.h
19:23 < rxr> zorro ...
19:23 < rxr> ok, so much about ooo on this x86-64 box for tonight
19:23 < Baldzius> :)
19:23 < mnemoc> Bart-: if you don't want PAM, and you have a running linux the best imo is you to build your own mini-minimal
19:24 < Bart-> well, I'm using one ;] I'd like to build desktop anyway but this machine is preety slow
19:25 < rxr> hm
19:25 < rxr> yesterday before I left I copied a Alanis mp3 on my cell
19:25 < Bart-> I hope it is possible using minimal
19:25 < rxr> I know it got on it because umount took annoyingly long to flush the data thru the damn slow USB 1.1 cable ..
19:26 < rxr> and then it was not on the phone and now I do not see it anymore mounting it ...
19:26 < rxr> I fear the f*cking firmware removes files it can not parse, e.g. the filename hat () and such ..
19:26 < mnemoc> Bart-: converting a minimal into a desktop is a bit complex
19:26 < rxr> damn properitary software ...
19:26 < Bart-> mnemoc, why?
19:26 < rxr> Sony should deploy T2 based embedded software for their phones ...
19:26 * _Ragnar_ grins
19:27 < _Ragnar_> doesn't integrate well with they rootkit philosophy
19:27 < rxr> yeah, too secure ...
19:27 < rxr> and not crashing often enough to make windows users feel at home
19:27 < rxr> this file is really gone ...
19:28 < _Ragnar_> 8)
19:28 < rxr> can't believe this damned cell is leaking whole fiels ...
19:28 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:28 < rxr> files even
19:30 < rxr> # time umount /media/
19:30 < rxr> real 0m11.781s
19:30 < rxr> so
19:30 < rxr> let's see
19:30 < rxr> so - now it is on the phone
19:31 < rxr> copied without () in the name, which was overly long anyway ...
19:31 * rxr wonders if a fsck.vfat would be reasonable from time to time on this cell ...
19:32 < Bart-> mnemoc, handbook says about generic target but I can't find such ISO here: http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/. Which one is suitable for general purpose distribution?
19:33 < rxr> prebuild or to build it yourself ?
19:33 < Bart-> pre
19:33 < mnemoc> Bart-: we produce ISOs for only two targets, generic/minimal and desktop, any other convination has to be built by you
19:34 < Bart-> you sad "build"
19:34 < Bart-> this is the part of handbook i've just skipped ;]
19:35 < mnemoc> that's the goal of T2, help you to design, build, distribute and maintain your own distirbution
19:35 < misl> Bart-: T2 is more a distribution build kit than a distribution
19:35 < rxr> Bart-: if you want PAM-less you need to build your own ,-)
19:36 * _Ragnar_ is building pam-less
19:36 < Bart-> misl, I'm looking something lire this because I' tired fighting with my own :]
19:36 < misl> the pre built ISO are sort of examples of what T2 is capable of :)
19:36 < Bart-> here's my own: http://www.smlw.pl/~wytnijto/nosrc/
19:37 < rxr> Bart-: t2 automates the whole process
19:37 < rxr> just tell what packges you want, optimizations and let it do the work ....
19:37 < Bart-> rxr: this is what I'm looking for
19:37 < mnemoc> Bart-: start building a minimal/pam-less :)
19:37 < misl> Bart-: have a look at http://www.t2-project.org/packages/
19:38 < misl> see if all the packages you want are already available in T2
19:39 < rxr> heh
19:39 < rxr> my cell has lost more files than my reiser4 test-drive then ,-)
19:39 < rxr> 1:0 ,-)
19:39 < Bart-> misl, hope I don't need to be some king of hacker to add my own packages?
19:39 < Bart-> *kind ;]
19:39 < misl> Bart-: Depends on the package, and we are here to help :)
19:40 < rxr> packaging in T2 is easy
19:40 < Bart-> oh, you have glibc, this is good, I'm using it ;]
19:41 < rxr> heh
19:41 < rxr> uclinb and dietlibc for your choice as well
19:41 < misl> Some package require only a .desc file (example of desc file http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/archiver/afio/afio.desc)
19:41 * rxr off to susan - cu all
19:41 < misl> some package require special configuration and patches
19:41 < misl> cu rxr
19:41 < Bart-> misl, let me install first ;]
19:42 < Bart-> then I'll try to convert some of mine RPMs
19:43 < Bart-> brb
20:00 < CIA-2> aldas * r14918 /trunk/package/network/mldonkey/mldonkey.desc: * updated mldonkey (2.7.2 -> 2.7.3)
20:01 * demian is surprised about the beauty of bosnia-herzegovina girls..
20:02 < misl> demian: we want pictures :)
20:02 < demian> no pics.. i talked with them some minutes ago..
20:03 < misl> :(
20:03 < demian> i mean personally.. but it was bussiness stuff.
20:03 < misl> still :(
20:03 < demian> it would be cool if we would make a deal.. ;-)
20:03 < misl> deal?
20:04 < mnemoc> what kind of 'deal' do you want with them?
20:05 < demian> a bussiness deal of course, many of them.
20:05 < demian> :)
20:05 < mnemoc> proxeneta
20:06 < demian> 'dealer' my friend, that's the word.
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20:07 < mnemoc> :)
20:07 < misl> demian is in the human slave market. He is going to sell bosnia-her.. girls
20:07 < nzg> moin
20:07 < misl> hi nzg
20:08 < mnemoc> he represents one at holland
20:08 < demian> where is bosnia located? next to what countries ?
20:08 < mnemoc> hi nzg
20:08 < misl> demian: Do I get 2 for the price of 1?
20:08 < mnemoc> demian: africa :)
20:08 < misl> Is it not part of the former Yogoslavia
20:09 < demian> is it croatia ?
20:09 < mnemoc> croatia, monte negro, serbia, iirc
20:10 < mnemoc> oh, you were right
20:10 < demian> no, frappr was right :)
20:10 < mnemoc> i forgot the south of Yogoslavia :)
20:10 < Bart-> First thing to do is to choose one of the T2 Linux versions and download it from http://www.rocklinux.org/
20:10 < Bart-> easy to say but how they look like?
20:11 < misl> Bart-: that is the wrong place.
20:11 < mnemoc> Bart-: ROCKLinux != T2
20:11 < misl> rocklinux is old
20:11 < mnemoc> we forked almost 2 years ago
20:11 < demian> and what does old means in this case ?
20:12 < misl> sorry: mnemoc is potically correct :)
20:12 < mnemoc> Bart-: what do you want to do, build your own T2 or install a prebuilt t2 sample distribution?
20:12 < misl> politically
20:12 < Bart-> I found this sentence in handbook
20:12 < mnemoc> Bart-: the handbook is old :)
20:12 < mnemoc> bad search&replace
20:13 < Bart-> mnemoc, changed my mind and I'll try to build from scratch (or whatever)
20:14 < mnemoc> Bart-: option 1) get 2.1.1.1 tarball, option 2) svn co
20:14 < mnemoc> Bart-: i prefer (2)
20:15 < demian> sed -s "s/ROCK/T2/g" < rock-handbook > t2-handbook ?
20:15 < mnemoc> demian: i bit more complex regexp, but yes
20:15 < mnemoc> a bit*
20:15 < demian> :)
20:15 < Bart-> bart ~ $ svn
20:15 < Bart-> -bash: svn: command not found
20:15 < Bart-> I prefer (1) ;]
20:16 < mnemoc> demian: the handbook was written by rene
20:16 < mnemoc> Bart-: http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/
20:16 < Bart-> thanks
20:36 < Bart-> what is a difference beween .gem and tar.bz2?
20:37 < mnemoc> a .gem is a .cdb file with a .tar.bz2 inside
20:37 < mnemoc> to expand .gem files you need our legacy `mine` tool
20:38 < mnemoc> GEM format is obsolete on T2 2.2
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20:39 * mnemoc wonders if anyone profiled .gem vs. .tar.bz2 to see if meta-info grabbing is really faster using GEM
20:40 < Bart-> cdb? Central Data Base? Cold Dead Body? http://freshmeat.net/projects/cdb/ ?
20:41 < mnemoc> djb's constant database format
20:45 < mnemoc> http://cr.yp.to/cdb.html
20:46 < rxr> re
20:47 < Bart-> I'll stick with tar.gz2 if this GEM is obsolete
20:47 < mnemoc> on t2 2.1 GEM is the default format :)
20:48 < Bart-> does tbz2 break something in 2.1.1.1.1?
20:48 < rxr> download it from http://www.rocklinux.org/
20:48 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if `bize` (mine replacement for tbz2) works properly
20:48 < rxr> guess I should do some handbook polishing soon
20:49 < rxr> a 2.2 relief
20:49 < Bart-> mnemoc, I'll check ;]
20:49 < mnemoc> Bart-: :)
20:49 < Bart-> is there any documentation for Configuration window?
20:50 < Bart-> I found funny numbers in Show the current package list
20:50 < mnemoc> Bart-: stages and priorities i guess
20:50 < karasz> re
20:50 < demian> bye
20:51 < rxr> ok / n8 all
20:51 < mnemoc> Bart-: until you get confortable using T2 just make a native generic/minimal build
20:51 < rxr> cu very early I hope
20:51 < mnemoc> cu rxr
20:51 < morfoh> n8 rxr ...sleep well
20:51 < owl> gn8 rxr
20:52 < Bart-> mnemoc, Quick start says that I'll need to generate ISO. It is possible to install binaries without burning CD?
20:52 < mnemoc> Bart-: sure
20:52 < Bart-> cool
20:52 < mnemoc> Bart-: just unpack the packages to a mount point and chroot to configure
20:56 < Bart-> anybody has tested runit instead of SysVinit?
20:57 < Bart-> or I'm going to be first? ;]
20:57 < mnemoc> Bart-: my target is runit-based
20:57 < Bart-> mine too ;]
20:58 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk
20:58 < mnemoc> but you will need svn :)
20:58 -!- ojh [n=omer@71-36-200-37.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2
20:58 < mnemoc> wb ojh
20:59 -!- sparc-kl1 [n=sparc-kl@64.237.247.25] has quit [Connection timed out]
20:59 < ojh> Hi mnemoc
20:59 < Bart-> do you use /package /command and other dirs that runit produce?
20:59 < mnemoc> Bart-: yes
20:59 < mnemoc> /service is the only important anyway
20:59 < morfoh> Bart-: mnemoc is an old-school "runit-master" ;)
21:00 < mnemoc> uh
21:00 < morfoh> ah
21:00 < mnemoc> old-school is daemontools, i don't use that
21:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: you are old-school ... not runit :p
21:00 < mnemoc> :p
21:01 < mnemoc> i'm old and old-school
21:01 < Bart-> mnemosyne's README is poorly written ;] what it is for?
21:01 < morfoh> ;D
21:01 < mnemoc> everything you want :p
21:01 < mnemoc> it's modular, like bricks
21:01 < morfoh> Bart-: the "Mother of all Muses" ;)
21:02 < Bart-> modulat Who (or What)?
21:02 < mnemoc> grab it and you will see
21:02 < morfoh> Bart-: indeed try it ... it's great if you want a nice runit-based system :)
21:03 < Bart-> easy to say, I'd need to build svn first
21:03 < Bart-> I hate this tool ;]
21:04 < morfoh> Bart-: why ?
21:04 < Bart-> don't even have neon, apache, KDE and other stuff that this requires ;]
21:04 < mnemoc> Bart-: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg something apr apr-util neon subversion
21:04 < mnemoc> it 'only' needs those
21:05 < Bart-> kidding, some time ago, I tried to build SVN with depences --disabled but it's AM/AC scripts were so broken that it was impossible
21:05 < Bart-> so I'm a happy CVS user ;]
21:05 < mnemoc> :)
21:05 < sepp> svn has even a own neon inside
21:06 < mnemoc> which we disable
21:06 < morfoh> hi sepperl :)
21:06 < Bart-> you will go to heaven man ;]
21:06 < mnemoc> i hope not soon
21:06 < sepp> hi * :)
21:06 < mnemoc> hi sepp
21:07 < sepp> hi morfoh, mnemoc ... ;)
21:07 < morfoh> sepp: good to see you ... graphical master mind ... does your xorg-server package build on your machine ?
21:08 < morfoh> it's failing here due to some header problems I can't believe ... it can't find "gl.h"
21:09 < sepp> hmm i just started a new build and my pc is not that fast
21:09 < sepp> but 3 days ago it worked fine
21:10 < Bart-> suid Perl binary? What for?
21:10 < sepp> iirc gl.h is mesa
21:11 < Bart-> is there a way to specify CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS and LDFLAGS separatly?
21:12 < mnemoc> Bart-: yes, but that's not T2's way
21:13 < Bart-> hey, so how can I build stuff with my own flags?
21:13 < mnemoc> making your own target
21:14 < mnemoc> target/$target/parse-config
21:14 < mnemoc> but you don't need to do that
21:15 < Bart-> is something I can do instead?
21:15 < mnemoc> trust T2
21:16 < Bart-> there is no such option
21:16 < mnemoc> :)
21:16 < mnemoc> keep the default, just change arch, target and in some cases package selection
21:16 < mnemoc> T2 does the rest
21:17 < Bart-> how T2 guesses what flags I prefer?
21:17 < Bart-> does it parse my .rpmrc?
21:17 < sepp> voodoo :)
21:18 < Bart-> I don't think so
21:18 < mnemoc> see what T2 produce, and then worry about what you want to change
21:18 < Bart-> well, I'm configuring yet
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21:19 < Bart-> *still
21:19 < Bart-> what is Make rebuild stage (9)?
21:19 < sepp> tinfoil head option
21:20 < sepp> to rebuild everything again
21:20 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg or a full rebuild (inside chroot) when you run ./scripts/Build-Target
21:20 < CIA-2> aldas * r14919 /trunk/package/network/bacula/bacula.desc: * updated bacula (1.38.4 -> 1.38.5)
21:20 < mnemoc> sepp: very usefull to change unknown optional dependencies
21:20 < mnemoc> s/change/catch/
21:21 < Bart-> all rihgt, I'm about runing the build but still did not choose packages
21:21 < mnemoc> target does that for you
21:21 < sepp> hmm i never used stage 9 ...
21:22 < sepp> but my target is rather small
21:22 < mnemoc> you can adjust target's package selection at Expert -> Custom Package Selection
21:22 < Bart-> mnemoc, this Target must be very clever guy ;]
21:22 < mnemoc> start from generic/minimal
21:22 < mnemoc> Bart-: when you understand how t2 works you will right your own target
21:23 < mnemoc> start from generic/minimal, and remove what you don't want using pkgsel rules
21:23 < mnemoc> or add what you miss
21:23 < mnemoc> s/right/write/
21:23 < mnemoc> .oO( damn fingers )o
21:24 < Bart-> what you mean "start from" generic/minimal?
21:24 < sepp> way too much coffee? :)
21:24 < Bart-> Cleaning up. Configuration finished.
21:25 < mnemoc> Bart-: target=generic, template=minimal
21:25 < mnemoc> sepp: yep
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21:26 < morfoh> arrg
21:26 < mnemoc> :)
21:26 < sepp> Bart-: there are some package selection templates - you can use them to build your own target based on them
21:26 < karasz> re zdraslutye kommrad ;)
21:26 < karasz> re buenos dias senor ;)
21:27 < karasz> moin all
21:27 < morfoh> karasz: spassibo tavarish :)
21:27 < sepp> zdrasdwutye toworish karasz :)
21:27 < owl> hi karasz , morfoh
21:27 < karasz> hi owliat
21:27 < karasz> o_O ?
21:27 < karasz> i meant owlita
21:27 < Bart-> sepp, I'd like to select a few but due to lack of documentation - don't know how ;]
21:28 < karasz> morfoh: spassiba?
21:28 < mnemoc> Bart-: give me an example and i give you a pkgsel rule
21:28 < Bart-> lets add xorg to minimal with depencies
21:28 < mnemoc> :)
21:28 < sepp> Bart-: there is minimal-xorg
21:28 < mnemoc> broken on 2.1 iirc
21:29 < mnemoc> but you can select it, tell me the problems and i fix it :)
21:29 < Bart-> is xorg in T2? ;]
21:29 < mnemoc> of course
21:29 < sepp> thats the base for my target!
21:30 < mnemoc> Bart-: but dependencies are reponsability of who write the target :p
21:30 < Bart-> mnemoc, I know, I'll fix it once I'll get whats all about
21:31 < mnemoc> Bart-: build a minimal first, to see what a t2 build is
21:31 < Bart-> cant find this magic pkgsel
21:31 < mnemoc> Bart-: then you can convert it (changing Config) to a desktop
21:31 < sepp> Bart-: (minimal) Minimalistic package selection
21:32 < sepp> number 7 from top
21:32 < sepp> well - on the 1st page
21:33 < karasz> with expert options activated Bart-
21:33 < karasz> btw hi Bart-
21:33 < Bart-> you should rather write some documentation instead of spendig hours here
21:33 < Bart-> ki karasz
21:33 < Bart-> btw ;]
21:34 < mnemoc> Bart-: you are welcome to write the missing documentation
21:34 < karasz> and i guess spending hours here made T2 to be the stuff it is now ;)
21:34 < Bart-> mnemoc, my english is too poor to write manpage for own crap
21:34 < mnemoc> same case here
21:34 < sepp> "(none) No package preselection template" <- default text in Config ...
21:36 < Bart-> OK, i'll run it as is because it's pretty late here
21:37 < Bart-> this sucks linux-2.6.11.tar.bz2
21:37 < karasz> hmm i see rxr has finaly dropped linux24 from generic trunk....
21:37 < mnemoc> T2 2.1 is devfs-based
21:38 < Bart-> I hope upgrading to unstable is easy
21:39 < mnemoc> get confortable with the kit and framework before worring about that
21:40 < CIA-2> mtr * r14920 /trunk/package/security/loop-aes/ (loop-aes_26.diff util-linux.diff): * removed loop-aes (large&static) kernel patches
21:41 < Bart-> you have pretty ancient RPM package
21:41 < sepp> mtr: why?
21:41 < sepp> i use it ...
21:41 < Bart-> 4.4.x is current and they are a bit incompatible
21:41 < CIA-2> mtr * r14921 /trunk/package/security/loop-aes/ (11 files):
21:41 < CIA-2> * updated loop-aes (3.0c -> 3.1c)
21:41 < CIA-2> * added cipher modules and aespipe
21:41 < CIA-2> * select kernel patches from archive
21:42 < Bart-> you have some kind of building farm or so?
21:43 < mnemoc> Bart-: nope, we are poor
21:43 < Bart-> oh, I didn't notice "trunk" word
21:43 < Bart-> this bot is throwing SVN logs here?
21:44 < mnemoc> yes
21:44 < mnemoc> CIA shows every commit on the tree
21:44 < mnemoc> on the whole repo to be precise
21:44 < mnemoc> http://cia.navi.cx/
21:45 < mtr> sepp: does the update push you into troubles?
21:45 < sepp> i think not - i just asked before r14921 ;)
21:46 < mnemoc> :)
21:46 < mtr> sepp: not that you cannot decrypt your hard disk partition anymore after emerging the kernel ... ;-)
21:47 < sepp> i will see if i can still mount /home ;)
21:49 < sepp> is loop-aes on the initrd now?
21:49 < Bart-> mnemoc, so what mnemosyne does?
21:50 < morfoh> Bart-: mnemosyne is a T2 target
21:50 < Bart-> in perl?
21:51 < Bart-> can I write mine in python? ;]
21:51 < mnemoc> that's a helper to handle the graph of modules
21:51 < morfoh> Bart-: yes ... there is some perl magic in it
21:51 < mnemoc> bash is not good doing graphs
21:51 < mnemoc> or extensive parsing
21:52 < morfoh> Bart-: write sth. in python and we'll see what will be faster :)
21:52 < Bart-> ok, don't understand a word from this description
21:52 < Bart-> nevermind
21:53 < mtr> sepp: no, loop-aes is not in initrd, so it should be safe
21:53 < mnemoc> Bart-: as most things on T2 you have to see them to understand them
21:53 < morfoh> Bart-: select mnemosyne as target while running ./scripts/Config ... and you will see
21:53 < morfoh> :)
21:53 < mnemoc> Bart-: we are too few to invest time writing docs
21:54 < Bart-> hackish ;]
21:54 < Bart-> there were an article in polish Linux+ newspaper
21:54 < Bart-> about T2
21:54 < mnemoc> uh
21:54 < mnemoc> how was it?
21:54 < mnemoc> i had no idea someone at .pl know t2 :)
21:55 < morfoh> Bart-: nope ... anyhow it's quite self-explaining if you're working with it
21:55 < Bart-> wait a moment
21:55 < Bart-> author: Leon Ivan Saafingueroa
21:55 < mnemoc> keinek??!
21:55 < mnemoc> wth
21:55 < morfoh> :D
21:55 < Bart-> Distribution of the month
21:56 < karasz> keinek?
21:56 < sepp> mtr: you should remove package/security/ciphers now ;)
21:56 < karasz> :D
21:56 < Bart-> this guy wrote that T2 is veeeeery easy
21:56 < mnemoc> why is that crazy argentinian writting articles for a polish newspaper?
21:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: but where is keinek ?
21:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: :D
21:56 < karasz> dancing in the rain i guess....
21:56 < Bart-> expect more people from Poland here
21:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: holy sh*t
21:57 < mnemoc> Bart-: that's why we don't have documentation.... after getting involved everyone think it's obvius to use
21:57 < Bart-> I'm lookinhg for some URL
21:57 < morfoh> Bart-: I think you'Re the first one
21:57 < karasz> mnemoc: punish me because i am lazy....
21:57 < morfoh> .oO
21:57 < Bart-> because I got my paper much earlier than people can buy theirs
21:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: can I punish him for you ? :)
21:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: of course
21:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: thx :)
21:58 * karasz is waitin'
21:58 < Bart-> http://www.lpmagazine.org/pl/modules/news/
21:58 < Bart-> in polish
21:59 < morfoh> karasz: not so fast ... I have to think about a real puishment for you
21:59 < mnemoc> Bart-: comments about the article?
21:59 < Bart-> what comments?
21:59 < Bart-> mine?
21:59 < Bart-> there are no more comments around ;]
21:59 < mnemoc> Bart-: ok :\
22:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: but wth senor keinek is doing ?
22:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: he has dial-up, only during the night, iirc
22:01 < Bart-> http://www.lpmagazine.org/pl/modules/news/article.php?storyid=149
22:01 < Bart-> title and author at the bottom of page
22:03 < mnemoc> doesn't load yet
22:04 < karasz> does not say anything
22:04 < karasz> just T2 and keinek's name... about 2 words in polish
22:04 < karasz> `Dystrybucja miesi?ca`
22:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps keinek is developing a T2 spam bot ?
22:04 < karasz> what is that ? ^^
22:05 < mnemoc> `Dystrybucja miesi?ca` ... distribution of the month i guess
22:05 < Bart-> yes
22:05 < karasz> but there is no story
22:05 < karasz> just Distribution of the month T2 Leonel Ivan Saafigueroa
22:06 < mtr> sepp: security/ciphers did never work ... without postlinux.conf ...
22:06 < Bart-> newspaper is available only on shops
22:06 < karasz> ahum
22:06 < karasz> this is kinda TOC?
22:06 < Bart-> yes
22:07 < morfoh> Bart-: do you have the mag around there ?
22:07 < Bart-> under my left hand ;]
22:07 < morfoh> Bart-: do you have a scanner ? ;)
22:08 < Bart-> nope
22:08 < sepp> mtr: well, i never tested that, i just mean now thats inside the loop-aes pkg you should remove that mummy
22:08 < Bart-> ask other people from people
22:08 < morfoh> Bart-: hmmm ... if you could scan the article somewhere and send it to us ... that would be nice ;)
22:09 < Bart-> there is one page of text and a scrinshot of Config probably stolen from ypur page
22:09 < karasz> morfoh: you will be late with your punishment ;) 'cause i started doin things :D
22:09 < Bart-> *people from poland
22:09 < morfoh> karasz: that was kind of mental punishment :p
22:09 < jsaw> re
22:10 < karasz> and i guess you do not want to punish a workin' karasz, do you?
22:10 < morfoh> karasz: and see ... it works
22:10 < mnemoc> Bart-: you are the first person from poland getting here
22:10 < Bart-> mnemoc, yes but I found T2 on distrowath
22:10 < Bart-> then I realized that this it the same name as desciben in magazine
22:11 < jsaw> mtr: here I am
22:11 < morfoh> wb jsaw
22:11 < morfoh> I can see you :)
22:12 < jsaw> hi :)
22:12 < jsaw> uclibc problems?
22:13 < mtr> hi jsaw
22:14 * mtr scrolling back ...
22:14 < jsaw> rxr: I'm now running a build, where I'm sed'ing the wrong ltmain's... looks very good, almost no build path spill into dependency_libs anymore
22:15 < mtr> 11:55 < mtr> Build-Pkg crashes when chrooting right after stage 1
22:15 < mtr> 11:56 < mtr> this is related to r14501, jsaw, are you around?
22:15 < mtr> 11:58 < mtr> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/1NRdqh68.html
22:16 < jsaw> click
22:16 < karasz> Baldzius: around?
22:17 < mtr> somehow the wrapper is endlessly opening ".."
22:17 < mnemoc> uhm
22:18 < mtr> if i replace the getcwd system call in the wrapper with the former get_current_dir implementation all works well again
22:19 < jsaw> you're on uclibc?
22:19 < mtr> yep
22:19 < mnemoc> *G*
22:22 < mtr> not that getcwd is (totally) broken on uclibc, i've written some small tests, and ran them chroot'ed after stage 1
22:22 < mtr> at least sometimes it works .. but not from inside the fl_wrapper.so
22:22 < mnemoc> deadlock
22:23 < jsaw> awful code
22:24 < mnemoc> uclibc is ugly but compatible, dietlibc is clean but incompatible
22:25 < jsaw> :)
22:25 < mtr> mnemoc: yeah, as always - there are pros and cons here and there ;-)
22:27 < Baldzius> karasz: yes
22:27 < Bart-> OK, time to sleep, thanks for help!
22:28 < karasz> cu Bart-
22:28 < morfoh> Bart-: gn8 Bart- ... good luck with your target ;)
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22:28 < karasz> Baldzius: i wanted to ask if you had any probs downloading postgresql when you did the update
22:29 < Baldzius> karasz: i guess no if i updated it :)
22:29 < morfoh> Baldzius: good answer :)
22:31 < Baldzius> :)
22:31 < karasz> did you got it from ftp.postgresql.org?
22:32 < Baldzius> can't say
22:32 < mnemoc> with Download you never know
22:32 < karasz> i cant understand.....
22:33 < mnemoc> Mirror, Translated download location or Original download location
22:33 < karasz> it was an update so the file could not be in gsmp
22:33 < jsaw> mtr: can just check what happens, if you add a memset(cwd, 0, sizeof(cwd)) before getcwd?
22:33 < karasz> and the translation was after he updated...
22:34 < karasz> so in theory it must have been from original location, which does not allow downloads...
22:34 < mnemoc> from you :)
22:34 < Baldzius> l0l
22:34 < karasz> i am not that important to be banned from postgresql.org
22:35 < mnemoc> :)
22:36 < karasz> fpt.postgresql.org -> error 530 maximum number of connections reached, please try again on our many mirrors ...... Login incorect
22:36 < karasz> all of them on the same msgbox
22:38 < jsaw> mtr, forget that
22:40 < jsaw> mtr: I'm sorry, but getcwd is buggy in uClibc
22:40 < jsaw> mtr: it doesn't find the root device
22:40 < karasz> nah, is to late to fiddle with new stuff
22:40 < jsaw> mtr: get_current_dir_name seems to work, because environment variable PWD is correct
22:41 < karasz> i guess i'll call it today and begin again tomorrow
22:41 < karasz> cu guys
22:41 < karasz> bye
22:41 < morfoh> cu karasz san
22:41 < jsaw> mtr: if you find the reason, why this happens in chrooted env, the uclibc devs will be happy ;)
22:42 < karasz> allway a plesure kommrad morfoh ;), sayonara
22:42 < mtr> jsaw: do you have any urls or references for this bug?
22:42 < jsaw> mtr: no
22:43 < jsaw> mtr: on which machine (architecture) are you using it?
22:43 < mtr> x86
22:44 < jsaw> can you check if you're using syscall getcwd, or internal?
22:44 < sepp> ooops:
22:44 < sepp> configure: loading cache ./config.cache
22:44 < sepp> checking for i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc... i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc
22:44 < sepp> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
22:44 < sepp> Due to previous errors, no 1-loop-aes.log file!
22:44 < sepp> (Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error inside the build system.)
22:45 < jsaw> mtr: and, is it compiled with __UCLIBC_HAS_LFS__ ?
22:47 < mtr> jsaw: Large File Support (UCLIBC_HAS_LFS) [Y/n/?] y
22:48 < sepp> good night *
22:48 < morfoh> sepp: gn8 ...sleep well :)
22:48 < mtr> gn8 sepp
22:50 < mtr> jsaw: hmm, a theory: most probably the getcwd system call is not used when uclibc is cross-compiled, rather than using another awful code recursing to the root device ...
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23:02 < mtr> thanks jsaw, will continue tomorrow, gn8
23:03 < morfoh> gn8 mtr
23:06 < jsaw> mtr: can you add the __UCLIBC_HAS_LFS__ to getcwd recursive code (using stat64 when it is defined, just like get_current_dir_name)?
23:06 < jsaw> gn8 mtr ... :)
23:24 < CIA-2> aldas * r14922 /trunk/package/gnome14/guppi/ (gcc34.patch gcc4.patch guppi.desc): * added guppi/gcc4.patch
23:39 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14923 /trunk/package/network/openslp/ (openslp.conf openslp.desc):
23:39 < CIA-2> * autogen has wrong order, use our own
23:39 < CIA-2> * remove LIBTOOL-QUIRK, all done by autogen anyway
23:44 < CIA-2> aldas * r14924 /trunk/package/gnome14/gnucash/ (gnucash.conf gnucash.desc):
23:44 < CIA-2> * updated gnucash (1.8.11 -> 1.8.12)
23:44 < CIA-2> * removed -Werror from gcc calls
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23:54 < demian> hi
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