--- Log opened Wed Jan 18 00:00:23 2006
--- Day changed Wed Jan 18 2006
00:00 < Baldzius> i can almost guarantee you that you'll get same error with r14161
00:00 < Baldzius> maybe you could try?
00:00 < Baldzius> it fails anyway
00:02 < morfoh> Baldzius: ok ... have rescheduled kaffe but meanwhile it started kdebase ... and this will take some f* time ;)
00:02 < Baldzius> hehehe, yeah for kde* dual core is needed :)
00:03 < Baldzius> for kde 5.0 we need quadro :)
00:03 < morfoh> Baldzius: and btw, I'm running a second build on it ... this will makes things even worser :p
00:04 < karasz> guys did someone fiddled with pgAdmin?
00:04 < karasz> or should i package it?
00:04 < Baldzius> poor morfoh's computer :)
00:04 < morfoh> Baldzius: ack ... I suck * out of him :)
00:05 < morfoh> karasz: what type of pg admin UI is pgAdmin ?
00:06 < Baldzius> morfoh: what he (coputer) did to you that you hate him so much .. ? :)
00:06 < Baldzius> computer
00:06 < morfoh> karasz: we've a "package/database/phppgadmin"
00:07 < karasz> i know that
00:07 < karasz> pg admin is wxwindows
00:08 < morfoh> Baldzius: he did nothing ... he is just my number crunching servant :p
00:08 < morfoh> Baldzius: but he is lamer :p
00:08 < Baldzius> l0l
00:09 < karasz> iirc pgadmin after psql is de facto the UI for postgresql
00:10 < morfoh> karasz: if we don't have it and you're sure that it is not included within pgsql itself then go go go ... package it ;)
00:11 < morfoh> anyway ... if you need the "de facto" pg UI ... go go go ... package it ;)
00:11 < karasz> not included for sure ;)
00:11 < karasz> i use it a lot
00:11 < morfoh> go go go
00:11 < karasz> yes sir
00:11 < morfoh> nah :)
00:11 * karasz goin' goin' goin'
00:13 < Baldzius> 'k me rebuilding kaffe with r14161
00:20 < Baldzius> heh as i said
00:20 < Baldzius> same error
00:21 < Baldzius> i think i'll take a look tommorow
00:21 < Baldzius> f* libtool how i hate it :)
00:22 < jsaw> ack
00:23 < Baldzius> and all started after 1.5.22 upgrade iirc
00:32 < morfoh> == 01:30:38 =[3]=> Building base/libtool [1.5.14 2.1-stable]. <-- god save the stable tree maintainer :)
00:32 < Baldzius> :))))
00:33 < Baldzius> with 1.5.14 stable tree maintainer is safe :)
00:34 < Baldzius> i think .. |:)
00:36 < morfoh> xapascho tabapisch Baldzius |:)
00:37 < morfoh> Baldzius: don't shoot me ! :)
00:38 < Baldzius> ^^ what language was before that? :)
00:38 < Baldzius> looks like russian but not quite
00:38 < morfoh> Baldzius: ack ... it was a bit mixed :p
00:39 < morfoh> Baldzius: some chars missing :p
00:39 < Baldzius> oh, xorosho tovarisch
00:39 < Baldzius> :)))))
00:40 < morfoh> :D
00:42 < Baldzius> russian language is evil , especialy grammar, ain't talking about litnuanian grammar, finished school and still don't know it perfect :)
00:43 < morfoh> Baldzius: hehe ... :)
00:43 < morfoh> Baldzius: you should try to learn german grammar :p
00:44 < Baldzius> ains cvai drai fier fiunf zyx zyben :)
00:44 < morfoh> Baldzius: russian isn't that bad :)
00:45 < Baldzius> morfoh : i was joking about russian :)
00:45 < morfoh> Baldzius: :)
00:45 < Baldzius> lithuanian grammar is evil :)
00:45 < Baldzius> ^^ - and i am not joking now :)
00:45 < morfoh> dunno ... but if you say so ... :)
00:47 < Baldzius> :)
00:48 < morfoh> I guess it's very different from russian
00:51 < Baldzius> yes
00:59 < mnemoc> re
01:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: can you see if ./configure support --enable-alsa or something like that?
01:05 < Baldzius> 'k good night guys :)
01:06 < mnemoc> gn8 Baldzius
01:07 < karasz> gn8 Baldzius
01:07 < karasz> mnemoc: ?
01:08 < mnemoc> uhm?
01:08 < karasz> we do not have problems with postgresql downloads?
01:08 < karasz> they do not like downloads from ftp.postgresql.org
01:09 < karasz> so [D] should make some magic to one mirror... i guess
01:12 < morfoh> oh! wb mnemoc :)
01:13 < morfoh> gn8 Baldzius :)
01:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: --with-alsa-prefix=PFX Prefix where Alsa library is installed(optional)
01:14 < morfoh> --with-alsa-inc-prefix=PFX Prefix where include libraries are (optional)
01:18 < mnemoc> can you try setting them?
01:18 < karasz> damit
01:18 < mnemoc> karasz: misc/share/DownloadTranslations
01:18 < karasz> i will vomit if i see another hardcoded path
01:19 < mnemoc> pkgprefix is your friend :)
01:19 < mnemoc> pkgprefix includedir alsa
01:19 < karasz> really?
01:19 < mnemoc> sure
01:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm trying yet
01:19 < mnemoc> pkgprefix includedir foo will return you the value at $includedir on foo package
01:19 < karasz> fsckin' configure test for /usr, /usr/local, /usr/pgsql then exits
01:20 < karasz> if it is not there it isn't on the system o_O
01:20 < mnemoc> --with-lib-postgresaql=$( pkgprefix libdir postgresql )
01:20 < karasz> nope
01:20 < mnemoc> no configure option?
01:21 < karasz> it isn't used just for libs
01:21 < karasz> btw it cannot see lib64
01:21 < karasz> only lib since it is hardcoded in the configure
01:21 < mnemoc> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' -I$( pkgprefix includedir postgresql )
01:21 < mnemoc> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' -L$( pkgprefix libdir postgresql )
01:21 < karasz> first i do a test build see if it builds at all
01:21 < mnemoc> injected directly to gcc :)
01:22 < karasz> then if all ok i will fiddle with packin'
01:22 < mnemoc> :)
01:22 < mnemoc> you don't have GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND when building by hand ,-)
01:22 < karasz> btw it is pgadmin,
01:23 < karasz> that is right but i have a ln -s ;)
01:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: shout louder!!!
01:23 < mnemoc> ?
01:23 < karasz> nothing,
01:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: you don't have GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND when building by hand ,-)
01:23 < karasz> i gues morfoh is a liitle too sensitive today ;)
01:23 < mnemoc> :)
01:24 < morfoh> karasz: ?
01:24 < morfoh> :)
01:24 < mnemoc> morfoh is too sensitive daily
01:24 < karasz> it must be the beers ...
01:24 * karasz hides
01:25 * morfoh isn't drinking much beer
01:25 * karasz cut his hair so morfoh cannot grab it ;D
01:26 < karasz> i was kiddin' morfoh
01:27 * morfoh is wondering ... why the hell karasz is thinking that he is still alive ? ... :)
01:28 < karasz> hehe
01:28 < mnemoc> it's a reflex
01:32 < karasz> nice
01:32 < karasz> pgqdmin3 built
01:34 < mnemoc> finally
01:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: we've to wait for kdebase ... kaffe will follow
01:35 < mnemoc> :)
01:35 < mnemoc> grep -rn SND_SEQ_CLIENT_OSS build/livecd-*/usr/include
01:35 < mnemoc> ?
01:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: mom ... machine is laming
01:38 < morfoh> nope
01:40 < mnemoc> jsaw: still awake?
01:42 < jsaw> yep
01:42 * jsaw kicks gcc's option mangling
01:43 < jsaw> arts compilation problems is due to that --^ not due to libtool
01:43 < jsaw> f*ck
01:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: what?
01:43 < mnemoc> jsaw: can i get devfs symlinks without devfs? OSS more precisely
01:44 < mnemoc> using rockplug
01:44 < jsaw> eh
01:44 < mnemoc> without devfsd i mean
01:44 < jsaw> (hear how the bones in my head are ticking)
01:44 < mnemoc> :)
01:45 < jsaw> grep -R for "usb.perm" iirc
01:45 < jsaw> in the /etc/rockplug dir
01:45 < jsaw> it's in some usb.*map file
01:46 < mnemoc> $ grep -rn usb.perm /etc/rockplug/ | wc -l
01:46 < mnemoc> 0
01:46 < mnemoc> :\
01:46 < jsaw> flist, where are the "usb.*map" files
01:46 < mnemoc> ./scripts/usbfs.perm ?
01:46 < jsaw> ah
01:46 < jsaw> usbfs.perm ....
01:47 < mnemoc> etc/rockplug/config/usb.distmap
01:47 < jsaw> it should be possible to do the same thing for sound stuff
01:50 < karasz> that is it for today
01:51 < karasz> before packin' pgadmin i should do more fiddle with it...
01:52 * mnemoc stunned looking at usb.usermap
01:53 < jsaw> ?
01:54 < mnemoc> i have lot to learn :p
01:54 < jsaw> what's in there?
01:54 < jsaw> that makes you learn?
02:00 < mnemoc> the whole hotplug thing
02:01 < mnemoc> i need to learn to understand rockplug :)
02:01 < jsaw> a bit obscure...I know
02:01 < mnemoc> but at least know i know where to start diging :)
02:02 < jsaw> am I going to patch kde packages or fix binutils
02:02 < jsaw> hmm
02:03 < karasz> mnemoc: why are postgresql contribs in the /doc directory?
02:04 < mnemoc> where else?
02:05 < karasz> but they are not documentations...
02:05 < karasz> they are utilities
02:05 < mnemoc> extra utils
02:06 < karasz> right
02:06 < mnemoc> which don't belong to $bindir by default
02:06 < karasz> but still utils not docu...
02:06 < karasz> ack
02:06 < karasz> not in $bindir
02:06 < mnemoc> they are 'stored' at the 'documentation library' for 'reference'
02:07 < mnemoc> to store them somewhere, because they don't belong anywhere else
02:07 < mnemoc> default config files are also at $docdir for reference
02:09 < karasz> /usr/share/postgresql/contrib/ maybe?
02:09 < karasz> i am askin because those utils are used...
02:09 < mnemoc> $docdir/contrib maybe
02:09 < karasz> and that docu is hard to find...
02:10 < mnemoc> /usr/share/postgresql is _datadir_
02:10 < mnemoc> contrib scripts are not data
02:10 < karasz> mine is /var/opt/postgresql on 2.1 stable
02:10 < mnemoc> :)
02:11 < karasz> and i didn't fiddle with it
02:11 < mnemoc> that's localstate dir
02:11 < karasz> package installed that way
02:11 < mnemoc> 515 datadir) echo "${xprefix:-/usr}/share" ;;
02:11 < mnemoc> 516 infodir) echo "${xprefix:-/usr}/info" ;;
02:11 < mnemoc> 517 mandir) echo "${xprefix:-/usr}/man" ;;
02:11 < mnemoc> 518 docdir) echo "${xprefix:-/usr}/doc/$xpkg" ;;
02:11 < mnemoc> 519 includedir) echo "${xprefix:-/usr}/include" ;;
02:11 < karasz> i saw that on .conf
02:11 < mnemoc> 520 sysconfdir) echo "/etc${xprefix##/usr*}" ;;
02:11 < mnemoc> 521 localstatedir) echo "/var${xprefix##/usr*}" ;;
02:12 < mnemoc> contrib script are just preserved because someone may want them
02:13 < mnemoc> but they are not really part of the package
02:13 < karasz> ack
02:13 < mnemoc> on your target you can extend postgresql package and move the contrib tool you want to include by default on your distribution to $bindir
02:13 < karasz> from there they usualy migrate in the source
02:13 < karasz> nah
02:13 < karasz> $bindir isn't right for those
02:14 < mnemoc> that's why they are at docdir
02:14 < mnemoc> for reference
02:14 < karasz> it is strange
02:14 < karasz> but i see the logic
02:15 < mnemoc> datadir, infodir, mandir, docdir, includedir, sysconfdir, bindir, sbindir, libdir
02:15 < karasz> functions.in ;)
02:15 < mnemoc> peek one for 'unrelated stuff you want to preserve'
02:15 < mnemoc> docdir is the closer
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02:16 < karasz> yup
02:16 < karasz> that is the closest match
02:16 < mnemoc> :)
02:17 < karasz> never thought of it in that way....
02:17 < jsaw> who remembers the problems with unresolved symbols in arts ?
02:18 < mnemoc> not me
02:18 < karasz> jsaw: this is what you are lookin' for? http://karasz.pastebin.ca/35526
02:19 < jsaw> yep
02:19 < karasz> cool
02:19 < karasz> there you have it
02:19 < karasz> ;)
02:19 < jsaw> I hope I fixed it
02:20 < jsaw> during build, "--no-undefined --allow-shlibs-undefined" is passed to the linker
02:20 < jsaw> --no-undefined however overrides --allow-shlibs-undefined...
02:22 < jsaw> I added some fix to binutils, I hope it works
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02:23 < jsaw> have to head home, cu later
02:23 < mnemoc> there is something broken on the toolchain, i got another issue due to broken limits.h
02:24 < mnemoc> building gcc-3.4.5
02:25 < mnemoc> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Lnkrz956.html
02:26 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
02:30 < karasz> cu jsaw
02:30 < karasz> i go home too
02:31 < karasz> cu tomorrow guys
02:34 < mnemoc> cu karasz
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02:37 < mnemoc> morfoh: awake?
02:43 < mnemoc> morfoh: doubt solved :)
02:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: ?
02:49 < mnemoc> leo answered :)
02:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: so no need for answering sth. :)
02:50 < mnemoc> ,-)
02:51 < mnemoc> how was the kaffe build with explicit alsa location?
02:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: i fear it hasn't started yet :)
02:55 < morfoh> oh! no it failed
02:56 < mnemoc> :\
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03:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: i can't catch how 'woher' sounds :'(
03:26 < jsaw> mnemoc: use http://dict.leo.org
03:27 < mnemoc> i did
03:27 < mnemoc> but that word is ununderstandable :p
03:27 < jsaw> oh
03:28 < jsaw> mnemoc: "wo" + "her" maybe?
03:28 < mnemoc> her, like in english?
03:29 < mnemoc> sounds shorter than tha
03:29 < mnemoc> +t
03:29 < mnemoc> i'll better go to sleep :p
03:29 < mnemoc> too many nasty noises for one day
03:30 < jsaw> mnemoc: similar to english, but the "e" is more like the "e" in Kenntucky
03:30 < mnemoc> aha
03:30 < mnemoc> between woher and wer i'm a big stunned :p
03:30 < jsaw> mnemoc: "wo" is like quo without q
03:31 < mnemoc> that was good
03:31 < mnemoc> yes! that's it
03:31 < jsaw> O.O
03:31 < mnemoc> very compact but sounds like that :p
03:32 < jsaw> not much more compact than donde ...?
03:33 < mnemoc> 'donde' takes almost 1.5 seconds
03:33 < mnemoc> woher less than 1
03:33 < jsaw> em, not really
03:34 < mnemoc> donde is even 2+ seconds
03:34 < jsaw> the "e" is a long "e"
03:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: :p
03:34 < mnemoc> uhm, you are right
03:35 < jsaw> hmm, wtf, arts builds now
03:35 < mnemoc> god blessed you :)
03:35 < jsaw> only with updating binutils...
03:35 < jsaw> o.O
03:36 < mnemoc> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Lnkrz956.html <---- somehow #import doesn't work properly at stage 2
03:36 < mnemoc> #include i mean :p
03:36 < mnemoc> wrong language :p
03:37 < jsaw> hehe
03:37 < CIA-8> jsaw * r14893 /trunk/package/base/binutils/ (binutils.conf binutils.desc have_stdlib.patch ld-glob.patch):
03:37 < CIA-8> * update binutils (2.16.91.0.3 -> 2.16.91.0.5)
03:37 < CIA-8> * copyright updates
03:39 < jsaw> Now kdelibs fails due to wrong multilib linkage.
03:39 < jsaw> I give up for today (damn libtool)
03:42 < mnemoc> i give up for native dietlibc support for today too
03:42 < jsaw> oh, the limits.h thing is on dietlibc?
03:42 < mnemoc> nope
03:42 < mnemoc> well... both
03:42 < mnemoc> bootdisk and minimal
03:43 < jsaw> O.O
03:43 < mnemoc> problem not present with gcc-3.4.4 but yes with 3.4.5
03:43 < mnemoc> but #include is there
03:43 < jsaw> anything in changelog about #include_next
03:43 < jsaw> ?
03:44 < mnemoc> 2005-11-30 Release Manager
03:44 < mnemoc> * GCC 3.4.5 released.
03:44 < mnemoc> 2005-05-19 Release Manager
03:44 < mnemoc> * GCC 3.4.4 released.
03:44 < mnemoc> ^--- Changelog :\
03:45 < mnemoc> no entries between 2005-11-30 and 2005-05-19
03:46 < mnemoc> ok, good night :)
03:47 < jsaw> wait a sec
03:47 < jsaw> http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=303660
03:47 < jsaw> mnemoc: --^ compare this
03:48 < jsaw> now you can go to bed
03:48 < jsaw> :)
03:48 < jsaw> g'night
03:50 < sparc-kl1> '
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06:47 < LMJ> gooooooooooood morning
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07:10 < LMJ> hello mipe
07:11 < mipe> hi LMJ
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07:35 < rxr_> moin
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07:50 < mipe> hi rxr
07:52 < rxr> go vote: http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl
07:52 < rxr> hi mipe
07:54 < rxr> http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hardware/docs/pdf/819-3952-10.pdf
07:54 < rxr> ^- manual of unpublished Sun Ultra 40 ...
07:54 < rxr> http:///www.osnews.com claims ..
07:54 < rxr> still loading
08:13 < mipe> hmm... this is wierd
08:13 < mipe> gcc says athlon4 is invalid for -march and -mtune
08:14 < mipe> ah yes.. it is
08:15 < mipe> so architecture/x86/config.in it uses the "id" for -march?
08:15 < mipe> if so... athlon4 should be changed to athlon-4
08:18 < owl> moin
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08:40 < rxr> mipe: oh - did they change that ...
08:41 < rxr> mipe: do you commit ?
08:43 < mipe> rxr:sure i'll commit
08:43 < rxr> good ,-)
08:44 < mipe> oh crap
08:45 < mipe> typos
08:45 < CIA-2> mika * r14894 /trunk/architecture/x86/config.in: * changed arch define athlon4 to athlon-4 to work for latest gcc
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08:54 < CIA-2> rene * r14895 /trunk/architecture/powerpc/config.in:
08:55 < CIA-2> * updated powerpc optimization options to use the new G3, G4 mnemonics
08:55 < CIA-2> and added G5 to the powerpc(32) config.in
09:53 < rxr> re
10:24 < mipe> rxr: vnc has been updated to 4.1.1(trunk has 4.0) but i dont know the new url
10:24 < rxr> hm
10:24 < mipe> rxr: homepage has form to fill before download
10:25 < rxr> heh
10:25 < mipe> but it has some new features
10:25 < mipe> rdp for example.. dont know if current already has it but bug fixes atleast
10:25 < rxr> mipe: it does not work just bumping the version in the download tag =
10:25 < rxr> ? even
10:26 < mipe> nope
10:26 < rxr> the fill the form and watch closely what url your browser gets ,-)
10:26 < mipe> but can we do that.. i mean bypass the download form?
10:26 < rxr> it is BSD licensed
10:27 < rxr> we could also inject it directly onto our mirror if that makes you feel better
10:27 < rxr> but I usually just paste the original url when the stuff is open source ..
10:27 < rxr> we are not breaking a site or cracking some encryption ...
10:27 < rxr> we just document what the sites tells the download is ..
10:28 < rxr> btw. I think the License tag of VNC is wrong
10:28 < mipe> yep it says GPL-2?
10:28 < rxr> it lists GPL, but IIRC it is BSD or MIT or whatsover
10:28 < rxr> guess it might be even me slipping that in ...
10:29 < mipe> actually GPL-2 on download form
10:29 < rxr> really ?
10:29 < mipe> showing up license
10:29 < mipe> yep
10:29 < rxr> they claim it is GPL ?
10:29 < rxr> crazzy ..
10:29 < rxr> well, inject the new URL then ,-)
10:30 < mipe> how does Download handle cgi? it goes through download.cgi and validating form input
10:30 < mipe> for example.. http://local/download.cgi?form-values-here
10:30 < rxr> mipe: there will be some static file at the end
10:30 < rxr> extract that
10:31 < rxr> that is what I most probably did for the previous version as well
10:45 < mipe> -20 degrees and windy... damm its cold
10:45 < LMJ> Wow
10:45 < mipe> but forecast says -25 for tomorrow
10:45 < rxr> mipe: cool
10:45 < LMJ> nope, cold
10:45 < rxr> has been -8 here some days ago - now -2
10:45 < LMJ> ;)
10:46 < LMJ> 9°C now here ;)
10:46 < rxr> but 8cm new snow last night here in berlin
10:46 < mipe> just readed some news its -50 on siperia :)
10:46 < rxr> heh
10:46 < rxr> I like winter - as long as it is not -20 - -50 ...
10:47 < mipe> yeah me too...
10:47 < mipe> -5 to -10 is good for me
10:47 < mipe> over -10 and ice skating get bit painfull
10:48 < mipe> *hockey*
10:48 < LMJ> damned, my server can ping "216.239.59.99" but not "www.google.com"
10:48 < LMJ> seems to be a DNS problem
10:50 < LMJ> damned
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10:57 < Baldzius> good morning
10:58 < rxr> moin Baldzius
10:58 < Baldzius> hi rxr
11:04 < CIA-2> rene * r14896 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/hotplug++.desc: * updated hotplug++ (0.0.4 -> 0.0.5)
11:09 < rxr> Baldzius: will you update Sweep 0.9.0, or should =
11:09 < rxr> I?
11:09 < Baldzius> you :)
11:09 < rxr> hehe ,-)
11:10 < Baldzius> i am trying to fix gtkhtml10 here :)
11:10 < Baldzius> damn old stuff
11:12 < Baldzius> 'll update udev later
11:12 < Baldzius> tested - works
11:20 < CIA-2> rene * r14897 /trunk/package/audio/sweep/sweep.desc: * updated sweep (0.8.4 -> 0.9.0) - development but finally Gtk+-2.x ...
11:27 < owl> LMJ: do you know by accident how many years guarantee the rebel tx has?
11:29 < CIA-2> rene * r14898 /trunk/package/base/ (linux26/disable-broken.lst linux26mm/disable-broken.lst): * added QLOGIC_FC to the 26*/disable-broken and synced them
11:31 < LMJ> owl, what are you talking about ?
11:31 < LMJ> what is "rebel tx" ?
11:32 < owl> LMJ: cancon eso 350d
11:32 < owl> canon
11:32 < LMJ> haaa ;)
11:32 < LMJ> 1 or 2 years
11:32 < owl> i can't find infromation about that thing (guarantee)
11:33 < LMJ> My father got a optic : Sigma 18/200 + the default ne 18-55
11:33 < owl> btw, do you know by accident how the telezoom is? (quality of it)
11:34 < LMJ> from the canon EFS 18/55 ?
11:34 < owl> yep, this one and the other (50 - 200 or something)
11:35 < owl> i am thinking about buying a bundle with two lenses
11:35 < LMJ> Sigma 18/200 make on a regular 24/36 : 28/320mm
11:37 < owl> hmmmm. at least in .de there is a it with an 18-55 and 55-200... that would be interesting *thk*
11:38 < LMJ> could be
11:38 < LMJ> depending on what you will do with it
11:39 < LMJ> 18-55 more for outside large stuff
11:39 < LMJ> or inside
11:39 < LMJ> 55-200 more for outside
11:39 < LMJ> you will need more light around "200"
11:39 < owl> yep. want to do both... so the comb... ;)
11:39 < LMJ> but the CCD is pretty sensible and make nice picture even in dark scene
11:40 < owl> ++i. yep. i know... the most tele need it i guess..
11:40 < LMJ> quite impressive
11:40 < owl> cool :) an tripod i own... so that sohould not be the problem
11:40 < LMJ> got one too
11:40 < LMJ> a Vivitar one ;)
11:41 < owl> hehe. i have a "tar 63".
11:41 < owl> it fits my needs. quite stable... ;)
11:41 < owl> sigh. i have everything - except an DSLR :(
11:42 < LMJ> it will come
11:43 < owl> sigh. yeah, i hope so... and hopefully it will stay with me a bit longer than my konica
11:43 < LMJ> what happend ?
11:43 < owl> well. vT-Systems Pressearchiv
11:43 < owl> ARGHS
11:44 < owl> well, i've got it back yesterday because it is the 3rd cam - which was also defect
11:44 < owl> (the first wasn't defect, but it was a show-cam...)
11:44 < owl> and the two "new" cams were both defect. (focus / backfocus and some mechanical problems)
11:44 < LMJ> ok
11:45 < LMJ> ho no
11:45 < LMJ> btw
11:45 < owl> and very bad image-qualitty (compared to the first one)
11:45 < LMJ> have you heard about the Sony CCD history ?
11:45 < owl> nope.
11:45 < owl> btw, the 3 cams weere in a timeframe vom within 2 month
11:45 < LMJ> during 2/3 years, Sony sold potential CCD with problems
11:46 < owl> ouch
11:46 < LMJ> they admit it, excuse, and certainly make a new cheap digi cam to replace all bad cam already sold
11:46 < owl> but there should be a problem with omi dynax 5d/7d too.
11:47 < owl> oearks. and what happend to the old cams?
11:47 < LMJ> there are TONS of models who used Sony CCD
11:47 < LMJ> bad image quality
11:47 < owl> well. hobefully not the rebel tx? ;)
11:47 < LMJ> in fact, a kind of glue start to mess up, and eat the CCD
11:47 < LMJ> or electronic contacts around
11:48 < LMJ> Canon makes CCD by itself
11:48 < owl> goood :)
11:48 < LMJ> that's rare
11:48 < LMJ> I need a suicide package maintainer today ;)
11:49 < owl> hm. do you know if komi produces it's c cds?
11:49 < owl> suicide package? :)
11:49 < LMJ> i don't think so
11:49 < owl> hmm. ok.
11:49 < LMJ> i have the list around
11:49 < LMJ> maybe in my father bedroom ;)
11:49 < owl> O_O
11:51 < mnemoc> moin
11:51 < LMJ> ROTFL
11:51 < owl> hi mnemoc .
11:51 < valentin> moin
11:52 < owl> hi valentin
11:52 < LMJ> I just asked for a suicide Package maintainer ;)
11:52 < LMJ> hello mnemoc
11:52 < mnemoc> hi LMJ, valentin, owl
11:55 < rxr> moin mnemoc
11:55 < valentin> hi owl, mnemoc rxr, LMJ, ...
11:55 < mnemoc> moin rxr
11:55 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006011713194716420
11:55 < LMJ> moin valentin
11:55 < owl> ^hi rxr
11:56 < valentin> my two girls are a bit ill, so i have to stay @home todat :/
11:56 < valentin> today
11:56 < rxr> I wonder why netrunner did not add a tiny acknowledgement for comments on #t2
11:56 < mnemoc> valentin: :(
11:56 < mnemoc> what comments?
11:56 < rxr> mnemoc: how to use udev
11:56 < rxr> and hotplug interaction
11:58 < valentin> rxr: i think it is ok. he "found out" how to do it by asking expert developers...
11:58 < valentin> which is the way we do sometimes, too :)
11:58 < rxr> valentin: on the list he posted he has read the README
11:59 < rxr> I write, hey BenH did some gread FAN control patch, not I worked a week comming up with it ...
12:00 < rxr> mnemoc: the irc logs will be online in some minutes
12:00 < rxr> I pull instead push now to get it going again ...
12:00 < mnemoc> have you read gpl3?
12:00 < rxr> mnemoc: no - only some comments
12:01 < rxr> but I read submaster which made me sad
12:02 < mnemoc> :\
12:03 < rxr> mnemoc: you are up early ,-) fallen out of the bed ?
12:05 < LMJ> lol
12:05 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/irclogs/
12:06 < mnemoc> rxr: i just arrived 10 minutes earlier to office
12:08 < mnemoc> but yes, i opened screen about 2 hours earlier :p
12:09 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006011713194716420
12:09 < rxr> so - commented
12:13 < mnemoc> nah, he asked rxr.. friendly, as the answer helped him to fix a bug at ROCK, i would expect acknowledgement when code is taken from the tree but for help i just expect a 'thanks' :)
12:13 < mnemoc> s/as/and/1
12:14 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20060117.113623.e59e8b63.html
12:14 < rxr> "I just found out that ..."
12:15 < rxr> trolls ...
12:15 < mnemoc> uh
12:15 < rxr> 2 days or so after he was lurking around over here ...
12:15 < rxr> must have been a long README he scrolled over ... ,-)
12:15 * rxr fresh coffee and then back to work
12:15 < mnemoc> :)
12:16 < rxr> but the quote of the irclog url at least motivated me enough to add irclog syncing from the geode router ...
12:16 < mnemoc> relax, no need to stress for something like that
12:16 < rxr> mnemoc: I can do better with my time than helping netrunner getting his udev to work ...
12:17 < mnemoc> there is no need to be hostile
12:17 < rxr> often do we want to pull the irclogs ?
12:17 < mnemoc> 2h?
12:17 < rxr> uh - that often ,-)
12:18 < mnemoc> why not? ,-)
12:18 < mnemoc> README nick is taken :\
12:19 < rxr> btw. when we want to relicense to gpl v3 I fear we have to negotiate that with the ROCK folks, our license is not "or any later version at your option" ...
12:19 < mnemoc> afaiu you just get v3
12:19 < rxr> hm ?
12:19 < mnemoc> because our license is 'v2 or later'
12:19 < rxr> it is ?
12:19 * rxr not sure
12:20 -!- jsaw is now known as RTFM
12:20 < RTFM> mnemoc: how about that nick?
12:21 < mnemoc> D
12:21 < mnemoc> :D
12:21 -!- RTFM is now known as jsaw
12:21 < jsaw> re
12:21 -!- jsaw is now known as RTFB
12:21 < RTFB> I find that one even better
12:21 < mnemoc> B?
12:21 < RTFB> Binary
12:21 < mnemoc> LOL
12:21 < rxr> Source ß
12:22 < RTFB> http://www.science.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/r/rtfb.html
12:22 < mnemoc> :)
12:23 -!- RTFB is now known as jsaw
12:23 < jsaw> hi mnemoc,rxr :) btw
12:24 < rxr> hi binary
12:24 < jsaw> :]
12:24 < rxr> hehe /nick 01 not possible
12:24 < rxr> 12:24 -!- 01 Erroneous Nickname
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12:25 < mnemoc> rxr: did distrowatch person answer about feeding versions?
12:25 < rxr> oehm - no
12:26 < rxr> not the last time I check mail some hours ago
12:26 < rxr> my laptop is in windows mode to continue fianlizing testing with cwrsync
12:26 < rxr> though so far I tinkered with irclog cync ... :-(
12:27 < mnemoc> :(
12:35 < rxr> not ;-)
12:39 < CIA-2> msluis * r14899 /trunk/package/java/maven/maven.desc: * updated maven (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
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12:43 < rxr> this cossh works better than cwrsync
12:43 < rxr> I guess I tell the client to install this cossh and inject the rsync binary additionally ...
12:43 < rxr> the openssh shipped in rsync is strange
12:44 < rxr> or just lacks some surrounding config whatsoever is needed on Windows ...
12:44 < mnemoc> what about putty?
12:44 < rxr> they need a ssh server and rsync ...
12:45 < mnemoc> ah, server .. ok
12:45 < rxr> cd /cygdrive/c/
12:45 < rxr> heh
12:45 < mnemoc> .)
12:45 < rxr> my stomarch turns over yet again ...
12:46 < rxr> at least the bash is way more useful than this stupid cmd.exe thingi ...
12:47 < rxr> oh - copssh it is named btw, not cosh
12:48 < rxr> myhome -> /cygdrive/c/Dokumente und Einstellungen/rene
12:53 < rxr> well, with copssh instead of the cwrsync budled ssh this is way more relaxing and working
12:53 < rxr> so I can start the next task I think, debugging kernel USB instability ...
12:53 < rxr> (on certian boxes including specificlally the Geode LX )
12:54 < rxr> .oO(I could benchmark backuping of the thoudsands of t2 files in my t2-trunk to a reiser4 partition and the ntfs partition ...)
12:54 < rxr> too bad I'm not that evil and have no free time at all
12:56 < CIA-2> amery * r14900 /trunk/package/java/kaffe/hotfix_alsalib.patch: * fixed kaffe to build with alsa-lib 1.0.10
13:01 < Baldzius> hi mnemoc, testing ^^
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13:18 < rxr> moin morfoh
13:18 < morfoh> moin
13:18 < morfoh> :)
13:18 < Baldzius> hi morfoh
13:19 < morfoh> hey "tavarish gun" :)
13:19 < Baldzius> :)
13:19 < morfoh> Baldzius: cool codename :p
13:23 < CIA-2> aldas * r14901 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * updated udev (080 -> 081)
13:25 < CIA-2> rene * r14902 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * removed outdated warning about incompatibility from udev.dev
13:27 < rxr> the udev people do it again
13:27 < rxr> they want to remove %e for enumaration such as /dev/cdrom%e
13:27 < rxr> those damn bastards
13:28 < rxr> also the kernel folks consider shuffling the /sys device tree
13:28 * rxr gets a headache
13:28 < rxr> do those people have nothing to do?
13:31 < Baldzius> :)
13:31 < CIA-2> aldas * r14903 /trunk/package/gnome14/gtkhtml10/ (compile-fix.patch gcc34.patch gtkhtml10.conf gtkhtml10.desc):
13:31 < CIA-2> * added gtkhtml10/compile-fix.patch
13:31 < CIA-2> * updated copyrights
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14:23 < mnemoc> rehi
14:23 < mnemoc> Baldzius: did alsa patch worked?
14:23 < mnemoc> Baldzius: i just stole it from ML
14:24 < Baldzius> mnemoc: yes it works
14:26 < mnemoc> :D
14:26 < rxr> hey mnemoc
14:26 * mnemoc does the dance of the thief
14:26 < karasz> moin all
14:26 < mnemoc> hi rxr
14:26 < mnemoc> moin karasz
14:26 * karasz pouring coffee
14:29 < karasz> mnemoc: dancing??
14:29 < karasz> hello rxr
14:29 < karasz> zdraslutye kommrad morfoh
14:30 < karasz> hello Baldzius master updater ;)
14:30 < Baldzius> hi karasz :)
14:30 < mnemoc> karasz: dance of the thief, not any dance
14:30 < karasz> Buenas dias senor mnemoc ;)
14:31 < karasz> whouuu is that good mnemoc ?
14:31 < karasz> ah thief...
14:31 < karasz> i thought chief...
14:31 < karasz> i guess i am still sleepin'
14:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: moin dancing queen :)
14:32 < morfoh> moin ... tavarish karasz-san :)
14:32 * karasz lookin' for minto ....
14:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: hi :)
14:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: kaffe might be fixed now
14:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: really ? what was the problem ?
14:38 < Baldzius> alsa not libtool :)
14:38 < mnemoc> :)
14:39 < morfoh> we'll see ... :)
14:44 < karasz> mnemoc: i want to stop a build package right after configure was done...
14:44 < karasz> can i do that?
14:45 < mnemoc> hook_add premake 5 false
14:46 < karasz> ahum i thought it is something like this
14:55 < morfoh> mnemoc / Baldzius: kaffe was build ;)
14:56 < mnemoc> D
14:56 < mnemoc> :D
14:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: but perhaps we should add a check for "alsa-lib" and disabling kaffe's alsa support if it's not available ... I think it's enabled by default
15:00 < mnemoc> the problem is an API hcange between 1.0.9 and 1.0.10
15:00 < mnemoc> alsa support might be detected properly
15:05 < mnemoc> OT: 802.11g is compatible with a or b ?
15:05 < mnemoc> b
15:06 < morfoh> :)
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15:29 < karasz> mnemoc: do you agree with this?:
15:29 < karasz> # PostgreSQL Team does not like us to use their ftp
15:29 < karasz> #s,^ftp://ftp.postgresql.org/pub/,ftp://ftp.us.postgresql.org/pub/mirrors/postgresql/,
16:03 < mnemoc> it's commented :p
16:06 < karasz> beside that
16:06 < karasz> and pgadmin3 should go in /opt/pgadmin3/ ?
16:07 < mnemoc> beside that, it looks fine for americans
16:07 < mnemoc> pgadmin... prefix=$( pkgprefix postgesql ) ?
16:11 < karasz> ?
16:12 < karasz> i am askin where should i install pgadmin3...
16:12 < mnemoc> and i answered
16:12 < karasz> since postgresql is there and pgadmin is related to postgresql, i thought that there should be ok
16:12 < morfoh> karasz: and mnemoc answered that you should use the prefix of the pgsql package ;)
16:12 < mnemoc> :)
16:12 < mnemoc> am i too cryptic?
16:12 < karasz> hmm i am not used to answers with ? at the end...
16:13 < morfoh> karasz: even with nearly complete conf line :)
16:13 < mnemoc> pkgprefix -t postgesql
16:13 < mnemoc> prefix=$( pkgprefix postgesql )
16:13 < mnemoc> set_confopt
16:13 < karasz> :D
16:13 < mnemoc> on top of .conf
16:17 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
16:17 < misl> hi folks :)
16:19 < mnemoc> hi misl
16:19 < misl> hi mnemoc: have you already updated classpath to 0.20?
16:20 < mnemoc> me? nah
16:20 < mnemoc> kaffe include it's own classpath :)
16:21 < valentin> mnemoc: query
16:21 < misl> I updated it but building fails on noisy :(
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16:22 < mnemoc> misl: today i fixed an API incompatibility with alsa
16:22 < misl> which version
16:22 < misl> 2.1?
16:23 < _Ragnar_> re
16:27 < mnemoc> misl: trunk
16:27 < mnemoc> wb _Ragnar_
16:27 < mnemoc> misl: 2.1 has kaffe 1.1.6
16:30 < LMJ> hello back
16:30 < LMJ> can i do the pig and post my big problem here ?
16:32 < LMJ> no, i used nopaste
16:32 < LMJ> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/o5irAK97.html
16:32 < LMJ> here is my fucking problemmmmm
16:43 < CIA-2> aldas * r14904 /trunk/package/emulators/vice/vice.desc: * updated vice (1.16 -> 1.19)
16:52 < nzg> can you resolve via 141.1.1.1 ?
16:53 < nzg> maybe some problems at your isp's datacenter
17:04 < LMJ> ok
17:04 < LMJ> fixed
17:04 < LMJ> dns mess problem ;)
17:06 < rxr> re
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17:40 < CIA-2> aldas * r14905 /trunk/package/gnome14/gtkhtml10/gtkhtml10.desc: * accidently marked gtkhtml10 as NOPARALLEL - sorry :(
17:43 < misl> has any one been able to build ogle in 2.1?
17:47 < misl> First part build fine, but second part not
17:47 < misl> configure: error: * You must install ogle and ogle_gui in the same prefix
17:47 < rxr> hm
17:47 < rxr> did not aw that error yet
17:47 < rxr> saw
17:49 < misl> rxr: happened during 2.1 ref build
17:53 < rxr> x86-64 only?
17:53 < rxr> or x86 as well =
17:53 < rxr> ?
17:53 < misl> I have not tried x86
17:53 < misl> most 2.1 x86 minimal target won't build passed dietlibc
17:53 < misl> that is dietlibc fails.
17:54 < misl> most = all
17:58 < misl> rxr: what need to be done for you to regain access to noisy?
17:58 < rxr> misl: okok - I hand you the public key for my subnotebook
17:58 < rxr> or - wait
17:58 < rxr> the anthlon is powered up anyway
17:58 < rxr> I can login and add it myself ... ,-)
17:59 < misl> :D
18:00 < mnemoc> rehi
18:13 < valentin> re
18:14 < valentin> hi mnemoc
18:14 < valentin> hi misl
18:14 < valentin> and hi rxr of course, but said that before...
18:14 < rxr> hi valentin
18:14 < misl> hi valentin
18:18 < rxr> windows and mac users ...
18:19 < rxr> "Your latest driver works great, the profile support is supperb. It just crashed onces selecting a profile, but I work around that now."
18:19 < rxr> huh? superb and crashed?
18:19 < rxr> would be better if he would write how the hell to crash the profile selection ...
18:19 < rxr> but - well, Mac, other expectations ...
18:44 < mnemoc> one crash per day would be superb too :)
18:44 < rxr> on what scale? but ont T2/Linux I hope ..
18:45 < mnemoc> windows/mac users expectations
18:51 * owl shots herself, aksing if the user is just too dumb or if there's a bug...
18:51 < mnemoc> users are dumb by default
18:51 < owl> sigh. i think so, too...
18:52 < owl> SIGH
18:54 < owl> there are just some not correct sorted entries... so she must do something wrong
18:56 < rxr> hm - so many logo suggestions on the list ...
18:57 * mnemoc wonders if RL will use hotplug++
18:57 < rxr> do you see discussion somewhere?
18:57 < mnemoc> nope
18:57 < mnemoc> but i could package it a send the patch to submaster :)
19:00 < valentin> mnemoc: lol
19:00 < rxr> please do something useful with your time
19:06 < CIA-2> aldas * r14906 /trunk/package/gnome14/bonobo10/ (bonobo-10.patch.disabled bonobo10.desc compile-fix.patch):
19:06 < CIA-2> * added bonobo10/compile-fix.patch
19:06 < CIA-2> * updated copyrights
19:07 < mnemoc> rxr: :)
19:15 < karasz> no, there is no way aout of this, i will surely puke
19:16 * karasz screaming and shouting and bangin head against the table
19:17 * karasz bangin head against the table with extreme force, and many times per second
19:18 < owl> karasz: ?
19:18 < rxr> karasz: ?
19:18 < rxr> karasz: we are with you, what happend ?
19:18 < karasz> i just hate guys eho ask on ./configure libdir just to use a hardcoded path from then on
19:19 < karasz> wth are they askin for libdir then?
19:19 < rxr> karasz: even more I hate people checking for fortran without needing it ...
19:19 < karasz> you know guys libdir does not allway mean /lib
19:19 < karasz> doh!!!
19:19 < rxr> karasz: many do not yet know ..
19:19 < rxr> karasz: auto* and libtool are junk, dung, crap, ...
19:20 < rxr> and most projects just cut'n paste from other already b0rked tarballs they have lingering around.
19:21 < karasz> you gave me /foo/bar ? then libdir is /foo/bar/lib
19:21 < karasz> and do that on a 7000 configure script on line 5000 my eyes are blind from reading 7000 lines of configure
19:24 < rxr> karasz: did I mention configure is ill =
19:24 < rxr> ?
19:24 < karasz> not yet
19:24 < karasz> but i am listening
19:27 < rxr> 19:19 < rxr> karasz: auto* and libtool are junk, dung, crap, ...
19:27 < rxr> karasz: what package are you on?
19:28 < karasz> pgadmin3
19:30 < karasz> so it built
19:30 < karasz> but now i do what?
19:30 < karasz> make a ln -s in conf
19:30 < karasz> or debug the goliath of configure?
19:31 < rxr> karasz: configure is generated from configure.in
19:31 < rxr> and that somestimes from configure.am ...
19:31 < rxr> those are easier to edit ..
19:31 < rxr> what is the problem? just cosmetical in the wrong dir? or does not start up ?
19:31 < karasz> does not build
19:31 < karasz> if i only have /lib64
19:32 < rxr> do we have the package or do you add it ?
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19:32 < karasz> i add it if it will be ok
19:33 < karasz> it is a GUI for pgsql
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19:34 < rxr> well I'm out of time today, had to drive around, manage a few things here and there ..
19:34 < rxr> tomorrow I could take a look
19:34 < karasz> nah
19:34 < rxr> maybe someone else has some free minutes to help you dig it down
19:34 < karasz> i really want to solve it myself
19:34 < rxr> what is the exact build error ?
19:34 < karasz> it cannot find some files
19:35 < mnemoc> tell it where to find them
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19:35 < karasz> because it looks in /opt/postgresql/lib instead of lib64
19:35 < karasz> i tried
19:35 < karasz> but it won't listen ;)
19:35 < mnemoc> --with-psql-lib=$( pkgprefix libdir postgresql ) or something like that
19:35 < rxr> --with-postgresql= whatsoever ?
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19:36 < karasz> mnemoc: that is ok
19:36 < karasz> it looks for the libs oance in the right place than second time drops my lib64 and looks in explicit lib
19:37 < rxr> karasz: patch the place to look expliclty into both, lib and lib64 for now if you want a easy going
19:37 < karasz> will that be accepted?
19:37 < rxr> as quickhack ...
19:37 < karasz> i mean is it a right solution?
19:37 < rxr> sometimes one has to patch ugly chunks in ugly configure scripts
19:37 < rxr> though I avoid that
19:39 < mnemoc> karasz: find where your --with-psql-lib is been stored, and change hardcoded stuff to use that variable
19:39 < karasz> hmm mnemoc i will try that
19:39 < karasz> if i not succeed i will just double the checks with lib64
19:57 < rxr> cool
19:58 < mnemoc> what is cool?
19:58 < rxr> my overly complex nea2dea.cc state machine transformer should work now
19:58 < rxr> (damn uni fluff)
19:58 < mnemoc> should work or work? :)
19:58 < rxr> works on my 2 test files ,-)
19:59 < mnemoc> :)
19:59 < rxr> I think I send it in (I'm the only one sending it in anyway) and close the case
19:59 < rxr> wc -l shows 126 lines ...
20:00 < mnemoc> :)
20:01 < mnemoc> state machine by request or by choice?
20:01 < rxr> ?
20:01 < rxr> did I mention I studiy computer design ?
20:01 * rxr really wonders why I have to do this kind of theory now and not before ..
20:02 < rxr> well, burocraty (or how it is spelled in english)
20:03 < mnemoc> :)
20:09 < rxr> never ever gonna survive - unless - you get a little crazy .... - la la la ...
20:10 < mnemoc> :)
20:10 < rxr> Alanis Morisette
20:11 < karasz> nope
20:11 < karasz> rxr you are wrong
20:11 < karasz> that is Seal ;)
20:11 < mnemoc> outch
20:12 < mnemoc> /ban karasz
20:12 * karasz banned
20:13 * karasz O.O
20:13 * karasz wonders why he got banned, that song is really sang by Seal...
20:13 < rxr> karasz: think Alanis covered it or so
20:14 < karasz> i dunno, maybe, i am not listening very much Morisette theese days..
20:14 < mnemoc> karasz: you can't refute what great master ober guru rene say
20:14 < mnemoc> full stop
20:15 * karasz hides in his own shame
20:15 < karasz> forgive me great master ober guru for questioning your words
20:17 < mnemoc> it seems great master ober guru have not forgive your insolence
20:17 * mnemoc prepare his sword
20:17 < rxr> 20:14 < karasz> i dunno, maybe, i am not listening very much Morisette theese
20:18 < rxr> ^- karasz getting old ?
20:18 * karasz takes his sight to the grounfd awaiting the sword
20:18 * mnemoc look to great master ober guru rebe for his sign
20:18 < karasz> rxr yup
20:18 < jsaw> re
20:18 < karasz> i am old
20:18 < karasz> and i eat words
20:19 * mnemoc looks again waiting for a sign of mercy
20:19 < jsaw> price question, what's wrong here:
20:19 < jsaw> lib_search_path=`$echo "$lib_search_path " | ${SED} -e 's% $path % %g'`
20:19 < jsaw> ?
20:19 < mnemoc> sorry karasz
20:20 < karasz> mnemoc: get on with it, no mercy for me
20:20 < LMJ> hello back
20:20 < mnemoc> bye bye karasz
20:20 < mnemoc> *swaf*
20:21 -!- karasz is now known as headless_karasz
20:22 < headless_karasz> mnemoc: you should sharpen that sword of yours
20:22 < headless_karasz> do not torture people like that...
20:22 < mnemoc> i'm not used to cut heads with it
20:23 < rxr> jsaw: /me doing the clothes - otherwise I would take a look
20:23 < mnemoc> just to clean the sh* out of my shoes
20:23 < jsaw> rxr: quotes after sed
20:24 < jsaw> rxr: this is from libtool...
20:24 < headless_karasz> poor karasz, no dignity even in his death ... :'(
20:24 < jsaw> rxr: part of the problem leading to wrong paths
20:25 * misl wonders if he is in the wrong channel
20:25 < misl> hammer house of horror in here
20:26 < misl> people chopping of heads
20:26 < jsaw> rxr: are all parse-config files always read during build?
20:26 < misl> headless poeple talking
20:26 < misl> and most of all
20:26 < misl> ...
20:26 < misl> LIBTOOL
20:27 < jsaw> ?
20:27 < jsaw> misl is in the hot kitchen...
20:28 < rxr> jsaw: oehm
20:28 * misl going crazy
20:28 < rxr> wow - that 128kB mp3 is actually the first one escaped a windows box that sounds good ...
20:30 < headless_karasz> mnemoc: i nust have a head back, should i choose from the three on my desk?
20:30 < mnemoc> headless_karasz: was the girl cute?
20:30 < headless_karasz> the virtual looks good
20:30 < headless_karasz> nope, not that cute
20:30 < headless_karasz> i was goin for the virtual one
20:31 -!- headless_karasz is now known as v_karasz
20:31 < mnemoc> what's wrong with been headless?
20:31 < v_karasz> how does it look like?
20:31 < mnemoc> sexy
20:31 < v_karasz> i cannot drink coffe
20:31 < mnemoc> direct to the vein
20:31 < v_karasz> if i have no head... ^^
20:31 < mnemoc> rxr: query
20:34 -!- v_karasz is now known as karasz
20:35 < karasz> i am from the far east, here people tend to not die even if they get their head chopped off
20:35 < karasz> it grows back ;)
20:38 < rxr> karasz: heh
20:39 < rxr> Hello Drakula?
20:39 < karasz> yup
20:39 < karasz> 100km from my house ;D
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21:10 < morfoh> re hi * ;)
21:11 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
21:12 < morfoh> thx mnemoc :)
21:23 * misl goes to bed
21:23 < misl> sleep well all
21:23 < owl> gn8
21:23 < mnemoc> gn8 misl
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21:23 < mnemoc> hi owlinette
21:29 < mnemoc> owl, how are your birds?
21:31 < Baldzius> birds can be dangerous .. they can have flu :)
21:32 < mnemoc> not at chile :)
21:32 < Baldzius> in short - exploit :)
21:32 < mnemoc> hehe
21:33 < Baldzius> mnemoc: birds have wings and they can fly , don't you know? :))))
21:33 < Baldzius> i wonder , penguins can have bird flu or not? :)
21:34 < mnemoc> tux doesn't fly
21:34 < mnemoc> uh
21:34 < mnemoc> good question
21:41 < rxr> re
21:42 < morfoh> I think, the whole bird flu issue is a "hoax"
21:42 < morfoh> wb rxr
21:43 < mnemoc> paranoia-boy
21:43 < mnemoc> wb rxr
21:43 < mnemoc> the 'conspiracy' doesn't exist
21:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: pffff ... I've no paranoia ... and you're right "the conspiracy" doesn't exist!
21:45 < valentin> morfoh: there is some guy in the internet who claims aids is a hoax
21:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: but you can't deny the existence of "conspiracies"
21:46 < valentin> however, i guess those who have bird flu do not find this hoax too funny
21:46 < CIA-2> aldas * r14907 /trunk/package/editors/lyx/lyx.desc: * updated lyx (1.3.6 -> 1.3.7)
21:46 < morfoh> valentin: of course nobody is happy while suffering
21:47 < valentin> morfoh: yes, but most conspiracies incorporating more than 10 ppl do not live long uncovered
21:48 < valentin> there are many groups of people doing nasty stuff for sure, but i do not believe in a "world conspiracy" where thousands of bad guys are involved
21:48 < morfoh> valentin: I don't know your source of knowledge to make such statement, and in fact I cannot tell you much about it
21:48 * morfoh didn't wanted a discussion about this topic
21:50 < valentin> watergate, schweinebucht, tomkin afair, iran contras, cia involvement in some countries ... discovered
21:50 < valentin> you started it :-)
21:51 < morfoh> valentin: no! the one you started to write about conspiracy is very quiet atm :)
21:51 < valentin> ok
21:52 < morfoh> sorry :)
21:52 < valentin> so - pssst. if we talk too much, "they" might notice
21:55 < morfoh> valentin: didn't we agree that "they" don't exist ? but I'm quite sure that it's not that hard to analyze irc logs for some people :)
21:58 < rxr> you are all crazy ...
21:58 < rxr> 20:09 < rxr> never ever gonna survive - unless - you get a little crazy .... - la la la ...
22:01 < mnemoc> :)
22:12 < karasz> i am crazy too
22:12 < karasz> but i finished pgAdmin
22:12 < karasz> so it was worth it ...
22:14 < mnemoc> :D
22:14 < mnemoc> congratulations
22:21 < rxr> karasz: ,-)
22:21 < rxr> n8 all
22:21 < rxr> cu tomorrow
22:23 < karasz> cu rxr
22:23 < karasz> mnemoc: 2 mails to ML
22:23 < karasz> 1. DownloadTranslation for ftp.postgresq.org
22:24 < karasz> 2. added pgAdmin3
22:24 < mnemoc> opt/pgadmin3 ?
22:24 < karasz> yes
22:24 < mnemoc> you really need to set every --with-pgsql-foo?
22:24 < karasz> i didn't wanted it to use /opt/postgresql/bin
22:25 < karasz> almost
22:25 < mnemoc> libexecdir doesn't exist
22:25 < karasz> anyway i will add a revision to it
22:25 < mnemoc> :)
22:25 < mnemoc> try to keep it as reduced as possible
22:25 < karasz> because foo pgAdmin cannot find pgsql binaries so it canot make dump-restore yet
22:26 < karasz> i will reduce as much as possible
22:26 < karasz> but tomorrow
22:26 < karasz> today it works, it can be emerged so i'll go to eat (lunch) and sleep
22:27 < karasz> and i will sleep mumbeling unreproductible words to a certain core developer
22:27 < karasz> >:-)
22:28 < karasz> about the revision...
22:28 < karasz> how should i make it?
22:28 < karasz> just edit my files and send another diff like the one before?
22:29 < karasz> mnemoc: ?
22:30 < karasz> i guess the best is not to ad the package to trunk untill i resolve those issues
22:31 < mnemoc> re
22:31 < mnemoc> yes :)
22:33 < karasz> oki
22:33 < karasz> what about the translation?
22:34 < karasz> pgadmin3 is not on T2 mirrors so it must use original location which fails because ftp.postgresql.org does not allow downloads
22:36 < karasz> cu
22:36 < karasz> i am too tired to wait
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22:45 < CIA-2> amery * r14908 /trunk/misc/share/DownloadTranslations:
22:45 < CIA-2> Nagy Karoly Gabriel :
22:45 < CIA-2> * translated downloads from postgresql.org to use the american mirror, they don't accept direct downloads now
22:47 < mnemoc> karasz: ----^
22:58 < karasz> seems i cannot stay away untill i finish this
22:58 < karasz> mnemoc: something like export PATH=$PATH:$(pkgprefix bindir postgresql) makes sense on a .conf file?
22:59 < mnemoc> ehm
22:59 < karasz> pgadmin3 needs pg_dump in the path or beside himself
23:00 < mnemoc> export PATH at .conf only affect build time
23:00 < karasz> at least on my system root has not /opt/postgresql/bin in the path
23:00 < karasz> feared so
23:00 < mnemoc> relogin :)
23:00 < mnemoc> /opt/*/bin are added to your PATH by /etc/profile
23:00 < karasz> so i should drop that issue?
23:00 < mnemoc> at login
23:00 < mnemoc> i think so
23:01 < mnemoc> test :)
23:01 < karasz> propper name for the patch? configure_use_arch.path?
23:01 < karasz> s/path/patch
23:01 < mnemoc> sounds ok
23:01 < karasz> oki
23:02 < karasz> svn diff now ;)
23:02 < mnemoc> i'm not the best namer anyway
23:02 < karasz> better than configure.patch anyway
23:02 < mnemoc> in fact i even made a typo when i registered my second daughter :(
23:02 * mnemoc ashamed
23:05 < karasz> things like that happen, no reason to be ashamed ;)
23:05 < karasz> new pgAdmin3 hit the ML
23:06 < karasz> tidyer than ever....
23:06 < karasz> finaly i deserve my food, and my sleep
23:06 < karasz> and another passed class i guess ? :D
23:07 < karasz> hmm the only thing i miss is that i couldn't add the admin features to pgAdmin3, but anyway who use them...?
23:08 < karasz> now really away
23:08 < karasz> cu tomorow, or when i get up ;)
23:09 < mnemoc> cu :)
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