--- Log opened Fri Jan 06 00:00:39 2006
00:18  * demian trying to build 2.1 on suse.. if it's like rock, i am sure it won't work.
00:19 < demian> the 2.1 trunk have all stuff necesary to build desktop target ?
00:20 < demian> or should I download extra packages from svn?
00:22 < LMJ> 2.1 stable got ALL you need
00:25 < demian> have u used sysv_nice ?
00:25 < demian> will use it .. :p
00:27 < demian> INFO: Testing <Germany - gsmp.tfh-berlin.de (HTTP)> ... ok 10434,000
00:27 < demian> INFO: Testing <Germany - nexus.tfh-berlin.de (HTTP)> ...
00:27 < demian> :)
00:30 < demian> to have an idea.. how big could be the source packages for desktop target? want to know this to make sure required disk space will be satisfied.
00:35 < nzg> demian: demian 2.4 GB here (but with some additional stuff like ooo etc for sources)
00:35 < demian> it's ok :)
00:36 < demian> is there something to regular the bandwidth used by a linux machine ?
00:36 < demian> or by a particular program better ?
00:39 < nzg> hm, i think there is, but you can limit curl with --limit-rate
00:40 < nzg> demian: +7.5 GB below build/$config/ and some space for currently building package
00:43 < demian> thankx nzg, i am ok with the space, around 15Gb.
00:47 < demian> nzg: is there a place to specify curl configuration, or at least add extra opetions to it.. sth liek $CURL_OPTS?
00:48 < nzg> that i don't know
00:49 < nzg> wait, Download has -curl-opt
00:55 < demian> :)
00:55 < demian> does Download can continue a previous Download ?
00:56 < nzg> yes
01:00 < demian> not working.
01:01 < demian> curl -w \rFinished downloading %{size_download} bytes in %{time_total} seconds (%{speed_download} bytes/sec). \n --progress-bar -C - -A T2-downloader --disable-epsv --location -f -y 10 -Y 10 --connect-timeout 60 -k http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~t2/source/2.1/l/linux-2.4.27.tar.bz2 -o download/mirror/l/linux-2.4.27.tar.bz2.incomplete
01:01 < mnemoc> finally connected...
01:01 < mnemoc> rehi!
01:01 < demian> /bin/bash ./scripts/Download -all -curl-opt --limit-rate 20k
01:01 < mnemoc> quote it
01:02 < demian> brb..
01:02 < nzg> so, xorg working...
01:02 < mnemoc> and iirc you have to use ':' as delimiter
01:02 < nzg> (with nvidia)
01:02 < mnemoc> :)
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01:02 < demian> ok.. stuff done to avoid confusing with Download options i suppose.
01:03 < mnemoc> demian: you need 'dialog' on your host to get Config
01:03 < morfoh> wb mnemoc 
01:03 < mnemoc> thx morfoh 
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01:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: sth. nice for you coming
01:03 < morfoh> == 01/06/06 00:19:06 =[1]=> Finished building package sysfiles.
01:03 < mnemoc> ?
01:04 < morfoh> src/fl_wrapper_15973.c:83: error: `PATH_MAX' undeclared here (not in a function)
01:04 < morfoh> src/fl_wrapper_15973.c: In function `handle_file_access_after':
01:04 < morfoh> src/fl_wrapper_15973.c:993: warning: unused variable `cwd'
01:04 < morfoh> src/fl_wrapper_15973.c:971: warning: unused variable `buf'
01:04 < morfoh> src/fl_wrapper_15973.c:971: warning: unused variable `buf2'
01:04 < morfoh> src/fl_wrapper_15973.c:971: warning: unused variable `filterdir2'
01:04 < morfoh> src/fl_wrapper_15973.c: At top level:
01:04 < morfoh> src/fl_wrapper_15973.c:83: error: storage size of `filterdir' isn't known
01:04 < morfoh> src/fl_wrapper_15973.c:83: error: storage size of `wlog' isn't known
01:04 < morfoh> src/fl_wrapper_15973.c:83: error: storage size of `rlog' isn't known
01:04 < morfoh> -> Unmounting loop mounts ...
01:04 < morfoh> 2.1
01:04 < mnemoc> host?
01:04 < mnemoc> aha, entering stage2
01:04 < morfoh> yes
01:05 < demian> mnemoc: it was not dialog, i solved it already. ncurses headers missplaced. thanks anyway.
01:05 < mnemoc> demian: dialog, ncurses.... close :)
01:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: usr/include ?
01:06 < demian> quoting curl options is not working.. i wonder why.. Download code shows it uses it.. brb.
01:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you wanna know ?
01:07 < demian> btw.. Download script SIGINT trapping is not working as i expect.. is it using another signal for interruption ?
01:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: PATH_MAX
01:15 < nzg> hm, instead of /dev/sound/* i got /dev/snd
01:18 < demian> found the prob..
01:19 < demian> additional options go before '-all'
01:19 < demian> :p
01:19 < mnemoc> o.o
01:19 < mnemoc> -all is the last argument
01:19 < mnemoc> and -cfg the first
01:21 < demian> even i think including options like '-all' and '-required' inside the options switching loop could solve that and cause no probs..
01:23 < demian> anyways, i am leaving now.
01:23 < demian> hf. thanks, bye.
01:23 < nzg> bye demian
01:25 < nzg> hm, how do i get a /dev/dsp ?
01:28 < nzg> ah, got it
01:34 < demian> CIA-9: hey
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01:34  * demian kicks CIA-9 
01:34 < CIA-9> ow
01:35 < mnemoc> wtf?
01:35 < demian> i was testing my_beep.pl for irssi.
01:35 < demian> now i go.
01:36 < demian> :)
01:37  * mnemoc kicks CIA-9 
01:37 < CIA-9> ow
01:37 < mnemoc> hi CIA-9 
01:37 < mnemoc> CIA-9: help
01:37 < mnemoc> .oO
01:48 < nzg> my firefox segfaults
01:49 < demian> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/21/1252213
01:52 < mnemoc> again?
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03:22 < CIA-9> amery * r14546 /branches/2.1/package/archiver/bzip2/ (bzip2.conf bzip2.desc fix_shared.patch makefile.patch): * merged 14465 from trunk: fixed libbzip2 under dietlibc, and copyright notes updated
05:02 < CIA-9> amery * r14547 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: * decustmainized dietlibc, indented for easier _diff_
05:07 < CIA-9> amery * r14548 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (hotfix_xmlhelp-port-to-db-4.3.patch t2-distro.patch): * fixed ooo patches
05:15 < CIA-9> amery * r14549 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (2 files): * disabled ooo's beanshell patch for java150
07:25 < rxr> re
09:02 < rxr> re
09:03 < CIA-9> rene * r14550 /trunk/package/emulators/qemu/ (pkg_linux26_post.conf postlinux.conf): 
09:03 < CIA-9> * fixed qemu postlinux to only build on x86 and actually install the
09:03 < CIA-9>  kernel module
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09:36 < morfoh> moin
09:43 < rxr> moin morfoh 
09:45 < morfoh> moin rxr
10:10 < morfoh> I have to go
10:10 < morfoh> cu
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11:20 < CIA-9> rene * r14551 /trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): 
11:20 < CIA-9> * removed defconfig merging and fixed our defaults, basically
11:20 < CIA-9>  fine tuning still needed
11:22 < CIA-9> aldas * r14552 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnopernicus/gnopernicus.desc: * updated gnopernicus (0.12.0 -> 1.0.0)
11:24 < CIA-9> aldas * r14553 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnokii/gnokii.desc: * updated gnokii (0.6.8 -> 0.6.10)
11:24 < Baldzius> good morning :)
11:26 < CIA-9> rene * r14554 /trunk/architecture/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
11:26 < CIA-9> * enabled IDE_DMA and AUTO_DMA
11:26 < CIA-9> * enabled Mac IDE in the powerpc* configs and removed outdated enabling
11:26 < CIA-9>  of the OSS powermac module
11:26 < rxr> moin Baldzius 
11:26 < Baldzius> hi rxr
11:27 < Baldzius> when will t2-updates be back? :)
11:27 < rxr> Baldzius: well - remind me later todayu
11:27 < rxr> I'll set it up on exactcode.de then ...
11:27 < Baldzius> 'k
11:27 < rxr> I have no dietsvn on my geode router soon ... thus I'll migrate it ...
11:28 < rxr> formerly it was running on my IBM rs6k - but as you might have read it got shut down to get the engery bilance of the office straight ..
11:29 < Baldzius> i fear i missed that :)
11:30 < rxr> the router a-like is now a Geode LX runnong from Flash ...
11:30 < rxr> 1xx Watt less powered up here 24x7x365 ...
11:31 < rxr> thus multiple hundred EUR I have for more intersting stuff than poluting our world ...
11:31 < rxr> of course running T2 head, linked against dietlibc ...
11:32 < Baldzius> i am preparing here a huge _BASE_ system update including latest subversion, mysql , postgresql, swig, apache, bdb and so on ... i think soon i'll drop email to ML about all that :)
11:32 < Baldzius> just need more investigation ....
11:33 < rxr> Baldzius: ,-)
11:33 < rxr> I like your work ,-)
11:34 < Baldzius> hehe, thanks :)
11:35 < rxr> some number:
11:35 < rxr>     701 2.2.0-alpha
11:35 < rxr>     205 2.1.0
11:35 < rxr>     215 2.1-stable
11:35 < rxr> where alpha is trunk
11:36 < rxr> this users building from source with hit of the mirror multiplexer
11:41 < rxr> Baldzius: update checker test-running on the exactcode.de macine ...
11:43 < Baldzius> :)
11:44 < rxr> looks good
11:44 < rxr> just proposed man-pages on the list
11:45 < Baldzius> only? 
11:45 < rxr> still running ...
11:45 < rxr> also it just runs those intended for today
11:45 < rxr> the script does check 1/7 each day ...
11:45 < rxr> 1/7 of the total packages ...
11:45 < rxr> depending on the initial letter ...
11:46 < rxr> to get en evenly, non changing distribution over the week
11:46 < Baldzius> ic
11:54 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14555 /trunk/package/base/rng-tools/throw-in-funcdef.patch.argp-standalone: 
11:54 < CIA-9> * gcc 4 fix for argp-standalone:
11:54 < CIA-9>  __THROW only in function declaration
12:01 < rxr> hi jsaw 
12:02 < jsaw> hi rxr
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12:03 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14556 /trunk/package/base/attr/attr.conf: * make .conf 64bit aware when setting libdir (untested)
12:04 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14557 /trunk/package/base/acl/acl.conf: * make .conf 64bit aware when setting libdir (untested)
12:04 < jsaw> have to leave again...
12:04 < jsaw> bbl
12:07 < CIA-9> rene * r14558 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: 
12:07 < CIA-9> * fixed sub package building to properly flush the hooks
12:07 < CIA-9> * let the sub package building dump the hooks and env for debugging
12:07 < CIA-9> rene * r14559 /trunk/package/emulators/qemu/postlinux.conf: * fixed qemu module installation for 2.4
12:08 < rxr> Baldzius: so update checker thru for today
12:08 < rxr> let's see if tomorrow around 4 new mails arrive ,-)
12:12 < sepp> moin
12:14 < jsaw> anybody around speaking italian or spanish?
12:15 < jsaw> or pt, pl, cz, si?
12:15 < jsaw> or hu?
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12:18 < rxr> moin sepp 
12:18 < rxr> jsaw: not me
12:18 < jsaw> majstro translated it... thanks anyway...
12:20  * jsaw turns towards family again
12:20 < jsaw> bbl
12:20 < sepp> hi rxr, jsaw 
12:57 < CIA-9> rene * r14560 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: 
12:57 < CIA-9> * ignore errors in builds of 3rd party kernel module sub-buils
12:57 < CIA-9>  (the error warning does not yet propagate to the console log)
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13:01 < rxr_> re
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13:02 < axion> mnemoc: looks like everything will be finished by tomorrow
13:07 < LMJ> good morning
13:08 < rxr_> moin axion and LMJ 
13:08 < LMJ> how are you today rxr ?
13:08 < rxr_> again doing other stuff than I should :-(
13:08 < rxr_> but aside from that fine ,-)
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13:18 < valentin> moin
13:18 < rxr> moin valentin 
13:19 < valentin> rxr: so after r14560, will failed module packages be listed in ErrorList ?
13:19 < rxr> oeh - ErrorList ?
13:19 < rxr> Create-ErrList ?
13:19 < CIA-9> aldas * r14561 /trunk/package/develop/tla/ (head4.patch tla.conf tla.desc): * updated tla (1.3.3 -> 1.3.4)
13:19 < valentin> ./scripts/Create-ErrList
13:19 < valentin> yes
13:20 < rxr> nope, of course not they are inside the linux package ...
13:20 < rxr> basically so far the error is supprseed and a echo_status warning spit out ...
13:20 < valentin> so what is third party ?
13:20 < valentin> i thought about the post-linux'ed packages
13:20 < rxr> those sub-modules of course, w-lan driver, mol, quemu, unionfs,. ...
13:20 < rxr> yes post linux
13:21 < valentin> ah - ok
13:21 < rxr> what I want is to have this warning on the screen - best red
13:21 < rxr> however those output goes straigt into the build log hidden from the user waiting for his / her kernel packages
13:21 < rxr> right now I analyze what it takes to allow echo_status... inside the packages beeing built to allow such stuff ...
13:25 < rxr> I fear I ripped unchroot mechanism out when we forked off of rock and I reverted all the ugly crap I found on the first look ...
13:25 < rxr> *grin*
13:26 < axion> does anyone know why the C pre-processor is not being installed, though compiled, with gcc-3.4.3?
13:28 < rxr> ah - no we did not rip it
13:28 < rxr> axion: a t2 build or manual tinkery?
13:29 < axion> manual tinkery
13:29 < axion> never had this problem before with same version :/
13:29 < rxr> cpp ?
13:29 < axion> yes
13:29 < rxr> gcc: usr/bin/cpp
13:29 < rxr> it is installed here, t2 trunk ...
13:31 < rxr> axion: no idea why it happens for you ...
13:31 < axion> hmm, i could copy it manually, but its pretty weird
13:31 < rxr> what I wonder more is, why we disable it for cross builds ...
13:31 < rxr>         var_append confopt " " "--disable-cpp --disable-shared"
13:32 < axion> hmm
13:32 < jsaw> re
13:33 < jsaw> rxr: can I use the "file" command to test for 64-bit libs in the build system?
13:33 < rxr> oehm the host system ?
13:33 < rxr> jsaw: why?
13:33 < jsaw> no, target
13:33 < jsaw> rxr: because we have 64bit libs in /lib
13:33 < jsaw> and /usr/lib
13:33 < rxr> jsaw: you mean post build sanity check ?
13:34 < jsaw> yep
13:34 < jsaw> ala check_la
13:34 < rxr> hm - I think it is ovious how to find them and when people have free time they know how to find and fix, no ?
13:34 < rxr> I mean slowing down the build with ever new sanity checks, ...
13:35 < jsaw> I know, but automatic sanity_checks make developer live easier...
13:35 < karasz> jsaw i speak hu
13:35 < karasz> moin all
13:35 < rxr> jsaw: well, propose a patch ,-)
13:36 < rxr> remeber to chec for 64bit lib64 using the libdir variable ...
13:36 < jsaw> karasz: too late... I already translated it... (some washing instruction where they forgot a german label...)
13:36 < jsaw> rxr: the libdir thing is actually the problem...
13:36 < jsaw> there are a few packages that use "libdir=$root/lib"
13:37 < jsaw> I know how to find these, but I fear, with all the libtool problems... there are even more
13:37 < karasz> i just scrolled sorry
13:37 < rxr> I mean in our code in the sanity check [[ $libdir = *lib64 ]]
13:37 < jsaw> karasz: np, but thanks!
13:37 < rxr> do not use arch or so variable
13:37 < karasz> np jsaw , anytime
13:37 < jsaw> see acl.conf, I just changed these
13:37 < rxr> it can have multilib disabled and there are some that do not have 32bit and thus 64 bit libs in /lib ...
13:38 < jsaw> now I'm gonna fix pam
13:38 < jsaw> rxr: see {acl,attr}.conf
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13:45 < Baldzius> f* , i hate libtool :)
13:45 < Baldzius> libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration
13:45 < Baldzius> libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag'
13:50 < rxr> which package ?
13:51 < Baldzius> bdb 4.4.16
13:51 < Baldzius> we don't have it, i want just to test it loacally
13:52 < Baldzius> i found on google that you had same error just you didn't mentioned what package
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13:56 < Baldzius> hmmmm
13:56 < Baldzius> compiles without cxx
14:00 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14562 /trunk/package/base/pam/pam.conf: * handle lib64 directory correctly
14:01 < axion> anyway to change double click speed in xorg.conf?
14:01 < rxr> jsaw: what the heck ..>!!!
14:02 < jsaw> axion: xset
14:02 < jsaw> rxr: ?
14:02 < rxr> please NEVER EVER use some architecture to decide about lib64 ...
14:02 < rxr> I just told some minutes ago ...
14:02 < rxr> jsaw: you want $/lib64 ?
14:02 < rxr> $root/lib64 ?
14:02 < axion> thanks...my mouse is going crazy for some reason
14:03 < jsaw> rxr: then fix scripts/functions first
14:03 < jsaw> rxr: pkggetdir
14:03 < rxr> jsaw:  ?
14:03 < jsaw> rxr: I copied the code
14:03 < rxr> of course
14:03 < rxr> it is at one place for a reason ...
14:04 < rxr> do you want to grep and tweak all places when arm64 comes out ?
14:04 < rxr> or x86-128 ?
14:04 < rxr> ${libdir##*/}
14:04 < rxr> `- return the lsat libdir part ...
14:04 < rxr> wether it is lib, lib32, lib64, lib128 or some other grave hack someone might invent ...
14:05 < jsaw> okaz
14:05 < jsaw> okay
14:05 < rxr> not to forget libnof (no floating point ...)
14:06 < mnemoc> moin
14:06 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
14:06  * rxr ENEWCOFFEE
14:06 < mnemoc> moin rxr 
14:07 < mnemoc> moin jsaw 
14:07 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
14:07 < jsaw> rxr: I don't like either, it's hackery... no consistent way to set these paths
14:07 < rxr> jsaw: please define consitent way ,-)
14:08 < rxr> the rock linux inherited echo_* stuff has a grave oddity ...
14:09 < rxr> heh - and it is still the same way in this other fork ... ,-)
14:09 < rxr> btw. the rock flyspray seems to be reg. users only ?
14:09 < jsaw> rxr: prefix=/some-path then set_confopt, sth. like set_libdir should do the work to set the {,64,32,whatever} extension correctly
14:09 < rxr> it does
14:09 < jsaw> rxr: but not some path-mangling hackery 
14:10 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/?do=details&id=21
14:10 < rxr> That task does not exist, or you don't have permission to view it.
14:10 < rxr> ?
14:14 < rxr> jsaw: mnemoc: valentin: we do not merge kernel defconfigs anymore into the kernel
14:14 < rxr> you next kernel build might miss features or important built-ins
14:14 < rxr> please fix our architecture/* accordingly then
14:15 < rxr> I mailed to the t2 list some hours ago about that ...
14:15 < rxr> mnemoc: have you scrolled back? I pasted mirror multiplexer numbers this morning ...
14:17 < mnemoc> simple fetches or reduced (filtered) somehow?
14:17 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
14:18 < rxr> mnemoc: ah
14:18 < rxr> mnemoc: oehm - I posted selected version numbers in "hits"
14:18 < mnemoc> :)
14:19 < rxr> -> Sub-building 3rd party module package qemu ...
14:19 < rxr> -> Reading package configuration (postlinux.conf) from package directory.
14:19 < rxr> ok - now that is cool
14:19 < rxr> 3 line change ...
14:19  * rxr hits the implementor of this lines ...
14:19 < mnemoc> $stagelvel -eq 9?
14:19 < rxr> and I even applied it at that time ...
14:19 < rxr> -> Finished building qemu.
14:19 < rxr> -> Sub-building 3rd party module package cloop ...
14:19 < rxr> -> Reading package configuration (postlinux.conf) from package directory.
14:19 < rxr> mnemoc: the new is that even from inside the build echo_status works as expected ...
14:20 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14563 /trunk/package/base/pam/pam.conf: * mangle libdir path instead $arch etal (r14562)
14:20 < mnemoc> rxr: what fd?
14:20 < rxr> mnemoc: the same - just thinko fix
14:20 < rxr> -               for plugin in $plugins; do
14:20 < rxr> +               # always output to the terminal
14:20 < rxr> +               for plugin in terminal $plugins; do
14:20 < rxr> ...
14:20 < rxr> ...
14:20 < rxr> -       echo_${request}_terminal "$@"
14:20 < rxr> -
14:20 < rxr> ,-)
14:21 < rxr> some extremely confused person hardcoded the terminal output into the first callee function
14:21 < rxr> and only let plugins proceed outside the chroot ...
14:21 < mnemoc> :)
14:22 < rxr> but took me some time to trace thru the varous kinds of reexecutions of Build-Pkg and other trickery ..
14:22 < rxr> r1142 | rene | 2003-08-20 20:43:06 +0200 (Wed, 20 Aug 2003) | 3 lines
14:22 < rxr> Clifford Wolf:
14:22 < rxr> new unchroot output plugin adaptions and a html output plugin (#21)
14:22 < rxr> from the time where only one had write access and even clifford passed patches to me ... *g*
14:23 < mnemoc> :p
14:23 < rxr> mnemoc: we could celeberate "good old times" day where we reintroducde this feeling ,-)
14:24 < mnemoc> hehe
14:24 < CIA-9> rene * r14564 /trunk/misc/output/parse-config: 
14:24 < CIA-9> * fixed output plugin handling not to run the terminal output inside
14:24 < CIA-9>  the chroot, but instead process it with the other potention plugins
14:24 < CIA-9>  un-chroot()ed, unhides echo_* from within package builds
14:24 < karasz> mon mnemoc 
14:25 < karasz> even moin...
14:26 < axion> mnemoc: what do i have to do after everything is transferred...anything?
14:27 < axion> it could finish tonight
14:28 < mnemoc> axion: we would have to notify rene to add your server to the multiplexer
14:29 < axion> ok
14:29 < axion> i hope http:// only is ok
14:29 < mnemoc> yes
14:30 < rxr> I could add it now, what was the url ?
14:30 < axion> http://axion.yi.org/t2
14:31 < mnemoc> but it's not yet ready
14:31 < mnemoc> axion: how much du there?
14:32 < axion> how should i keep it in sync? isnt it like a week old now?
14:32 < axion> 8.4
14:33 < rxr> axion: dayly rsync will keep it in sync
14:34 < rxr> daily even?
14:34 < axion> ok...i've never used rsync :D
14:34 < mnemoc> axion: don't worry about that, just keep me the ssh account and the bandwidth and i keep you in sync
14:34 < rxr> I guess mnemoc alreadu tunnels rsync thru ssh ...
14:35 < axion> mnemoc: ok that works
14:35 < mnemoc> rxr: of course, more considering my t2-download is plenty of hardlinks
14:35 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope you use -H then ,-)
14:36 < mnemoc> yeah :)
14:38 < mnemoc> rxr: did you saw the decustmain-ized dietlibc? i did it thinking in svn diff, if you agree current split i could reindent it for readability
14:38 < rxr> what a difference a 2-liner can do ...
14:38  * mnemoc glad to see rene this happy for 2-lines :)
14:38 < rxr> mnemoc: have not looked yet - can do as soon as the linux sub-build text output is optimal
14:39 < mnemoc> ok
14:39 < mnemoc> aaarg.... i need to write the 2.1.1 announcement!
14:39 < rxr> mnemoc: OT, do you know: svn diff -rPREV:HEAD dietlibc.conf ?
14:40 < mnemoc> rxr: :)
14:40 < rxr> svn -r syntax, not your change of course ...
14:40 < mnemoc> yes, i understand
14:40 < mnemoc> i can continue playing with dietlibc freely :p
14:41 < rxr> do your kids like the newm plush ?
14:41 < karasz> got to restart X
14:41 < karasz> cu
14:42 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has left #T2 ["Leaving"]
14:42 < mnemoc> they produce a little fight, but they like them
14:42 < rxr> fight ?
14:42 < mnemoc> i gave (1) to victoria and (2) to rafaella, but rafaella wanted (1) and victoria too
14:42 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14565 /trunk/package/base/shadow/shadow.conf: * fix library path (needed for 64bit)
14:42 < rxr> heh
14:42 < mnemoc> kids :)
14:43 < rxr> did you regression test the dietlibc patch ?
14:44 < mnemoc> yes
14:44 < mnemoc> no problems
14:44 < mnemoc> it was just an split of custmain
14:45 < rxr> ok I think I see one issue scrolling thru
14:45 < rxr> the ppc links formerly have always been created
14:45 < rxr> because it is not arch_machine dependant, but on the host cpu while building ...
14:45 < mnemoc> uhm?!
14:45 < mnemoc> it was
14:46 < rxr> but I think it is the time to fix it up in a smater way wanyway ...
14:46 < rxr> ah indeed
14:46 < rxr> hm
14:46 < rxr> well ok then I see no issue at all on the first glance ...
14:47 < mnemoc> :)
14:47 < mnemoc> descustmainizions are good for later cleanups
14:47 < rxr> ack
14:48 < rxr> and for debugging
14:48 < mnemoc> :)
14:48 < rxr> with custmain you can not as easily ./debug.sh and give it a spin
14:48 < mnemoc> yeah
14:48 < mnemoc> i hope we can deprecate custmains sooon
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14:49 < mnemoc> i want to add more hooks so autoextract and others become extendable via parse-config
14:49 < mnemoc> and clean 'build_this_package'
14:49 < rxr> mnemoc: you know I want 2.2 some time soon?
14:49 < mnemoc> 2.3
14:50 < rxr> lets rather get 2.2 out ...
14:50 < rxr> ack
14:50 < rxr> because I want to have a regular release cycle
14:50 < mnemoc> yes
14:50 < rxr> this is (among other big issues of rock) the biggest reason rock never gained any market share
14:50 < CIA-9> lars * r14566 /trunk/package/develop/subversion/subversion.desc: * Updated subversion (1.2.3 -> 1.3.0).
14:50 < rxr> no continous release stream ...
14:50 < mnemoc> no continous anything
14:50 < mnemoc> oh, lars
14:51 < rxr> mnemoc: continous commit spikes ...
14:51 < mnemoc> http://go-oo.org/~michael/OOoStartup.pdf
14:51 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14567 /trunk/package/filesystem/xfsprogs/xfsprogs.conf: * fix library path (needed for 64bit)
14:51 < mnemoc> rxr: :) but they are not periodical
14:52 < rxr> yep, but continously high ...
14:52 < rxr> recently they had a 19x spike I think
14:52 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/rock-linux.csv
14:52 < rxr> 2005-12-21,0
14:52 < rxr> 2005-12-22,0
14:52 < rxr> 2005-12-23,0
14:52 < rxr> 2005-12-24,195
14:52 < rxr> 2005-12-25,0
14:52 < rxr> 2005-12-26,0
14:52 < rxr> ...
14:53 < mnemoc> merry xmas clifford
14:53 < rxr> yes, and a happy commit monkey year ,-)
14:53 < mnemoc> hehe
14:53 < rxr> hey - two commits this year so far:
14:53 < rxr> 2006-01-02,1
14:53 < rxr> 2006-01-06,1
14:54 < rxr> maybe they have been from the new security group ...
14:54 < valentin> hi mnemoc 
14:54 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2.csv :)
14:54 < mnemoc> vi valentin 
14:54 < mnemoc> hi*
14:54 < rxr> obvously those are the input data of the graph generator ...
14:55 < mnemoc> rxr: if you have a minute i think we should split it
14:55 < rxr> jadda ...
14:55 < rxr> when I have too much time I plit it by year ...
14:55 < mnemoc> whole life, with... 4w avg? and last 3 months, with current averages
14:55 < mnemoc> :)
14:56 < mnemoc> i was thinking in adding the small one to t2 page
14:56 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #T2
14:56 < mnemoc> bellow google adds :p
14:56 < karasz> re
14:56 < mnemoc> ads*
14:56 < mnemoc> wb karasz 
14:56 < karasz> can we have multiple [U] tags in desc?
14:56 < rxr> mnemoc: commit graph ?
14:56 < rxr> karasz: yes
14:57 < mnemoc> small... last month for example
14:57 < karasz> project is moving from freshmeat to berlios...
14:57 < mnemoc> karasz: yes, multiple [U] are valid
14:57 < karasz> but it is a very slow move from what can i see
14:57 < karasz> oki
14:58 -!- sherniux [n=ss@81-7-79-120.ip.takas.lt] has joined #t2
14:58 < Baldzius> bratka, n.akmene :)
14:59 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFEA18.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
14:59 < mnemoc> hi Baldzius-brother
14:59 < Baldzius> :)
14:59 < rxr> hm
14:59 < karasz> Baldzius, ??
14:59 < Baldzius> he is silent today :)
14:59 < rxr> somehow my error printout is not working
14:59 < mnemoc> but i don't see a second marker on .lt at frappr
15:00 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.150.10.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
15:00 < sherniux> zderio
15:00 < Baldzius> sherniux ateik i n.akmene kanala :)
15:00 < rxr> make: *** No rule to make target `asldfjasdlkf'.  Stop.
15:00 < rxr> hm - and not stop - strange
15:01 < rxr> what have I done to the code ...
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15:02 < CIA-9> rene * r14568 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: 
15:02 < CIA-9> * cleaned the sub build status print now that the echo_* works inside
15:02 < CIA-9>  the chroot
15:05 < rxr> -> Building qemu within linux26 (using postlinux.conf).
15:06 < rxr> ,-)
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15:07 < mnemoc> good luck :)
15:07 < rxr> nope it builds on x86 I need no luck for that ...
15:08 < rxr> just the new output I wanted to present ...
15:10 < mnemoc> :)
15:10 < rxr> mnemoc: why do we rm unwanted files such as CVS after extraction?
15:10 < rxr> we could --exclude on tar ...
15:10 < rxr> and speed up the builds by some cpu cycles ...
15:11 < mnemoc> ack
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15:16 < karasz> good
15:16 < karasz> another one down from list ;)
15:16 < rxr> this is a hackery to get the sub modules errors just issued as warning ...
15:18 < rxr> TEA 0.5.0 
15:18 < rxr> Type Evaluating Algorithm (TEA) is a small, extendable, and strongly typed language written in C++.
15:22 < demian> gd morning.
15:22 < rxr> hm - why does my tiny tests work on the shell and not at large scale inside the build ...
15:22 < rxr> damn
15:25 < demian> [ spica ] $: du -sh t2/2.1/trunk/download/ \n 636M    t2/2.1/trunk/download/
15:28 < rxr> axion: where exactly was your sever located ?
15:30 < axion> geographically?
15:30 < rxr> yes, s.th. that could be added the mirror text ...
15:30 < rxr> INFO: Testing <USA - axion.yi.org (HTTP)> ... ok 44984.000
15:30 < rxr> mnemoc: INFO: Testing <Chile - t2.geeks.cl (HTTP)> ... error
15:31 < axion> I think California, USA
15:31 < axion> i'll have to get back to you on that
15:31 < rxr> axion: ok I use that for now
15:31 < mnemoc> rxr: $sdever ?
15:31 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
15:32 < rxr> ah
15:32 < mnemoc> :)
15:32 < rxr> 2.2-alpha s.th.
15:33 < rxr> axion: your mirro got added to the cgi multilexer and thus proposed to Download'ers
15:33 < mnemoc> why do i have it as 2.2.0-alpha ?
15:33 < mnemoc> uhm
15:33 < rxr> mnemoc: yes thats right
15:33 < axion> rxr: it's not quite ready yet
15:33 < rxr> axion: well most people have a Mirror cached anyway - and when they hit one or another missing file the original location is tried anyway ...
15:33 < axion> oh ok
15:34 < rxr> INFO: Testing <Chile - t2.geeks.cl (HTTP)> ... ok 9432.000
15:34 < rxr> hm - maybe just timeout before ... ?
15:35 < axion> rxr: is my mirror fast for you?
15:35 < rxr> INFO: Testing <California, USA - axion.yi.org (HTTP)> ... ok 49969.000
15:35 < rxr> waster than chile ...
15:35 < rxr> faster even
15:35 < rxr> INFO: Testing <Germany - gsmp.tfh-berlin.de (HTTP)> ... ok 211529.000
15:35 < rxr> INFO: Testing <Germany - nexus.tfh-berlin.de (HTTP)> ... ok 211835.000
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15:36 < axion> cool
15:36 < mnemoc> well, chileans are a 512/256 DSL and the other is 10M(national)/512k(international)
15:36 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
15:37 < mnemoc> t2.geeks.cl is at a company with lot of people wasting bw :\
15:37 < mnemoc> www.geeks.cl is the dsl
15:37 < mnemoc> which is uploading files to axion's
15:37 < rxr> I do not complain - I just post my current numbers testing if axion mirror returns data ...
15:38 < axion> axion.yi.org is on a a dedicated virtual server with 100mbps dedicated to httpd
15:38 < mnemoc> i'm justifying myself :p
15:38 < rxr> axion: nice - I hope the box will be active quite some time - a US mirror is nice to have
15:39 < axion> i hope so too. i dont pay for it...a friend does. in return i help him with linux :)
15:39 < mnemoc> axion: are you the author of mod_bt or just coincidence?
15:40 < axion> yeah...someone is lurking the net with my identity. i've yet to catch the thief
15:40 < axion> :D
15:40 < axion> but now i know where to look
15:41 < axion> i mean...no i'm not
15:41 < mnemoc> :)
15:41 < mnemoc> ok :)
15:47 < axion> mnemoc: oh no...yi.org is a free dynamic dns service.
15:47 < axion> i'm too cheap to renew my domain :)
15:47 < mnemoc> :)
15:48 < mnemoc> he has 'axion.com' on his curriculum :)
15:48 < axion> ha! funny thing is i personally know tyler
15:49 < mnemoc> :)
15:49 < axion> where do you see that?
15:50 < mnemoc> http://www.crackerjack.net/resume-long.html
15:50 < mnemoc> crackerjack.net is yi.org
15:52 < demian> yi.org Dynamic DNS http://www.yi.org/ 
15:52 < axion> looks like he just worked for axion.net for a year
15:52 < demian> it was done by him.
15:52 < axion> i've had this name long before 1998
15:54 < demian> someone else has registered axion already on freenode..
15:55 < axion> yeah i know...i was gone for 3 months and MY axion expired. bastard stole it from me...it's not the first place he stole it either
15:55 < demian> Axion                      created 1 year 13 weeks 3 days (1h 50m 26s) ago
15:55 < axion> yeah
15:56 < demian> Last Seen: 42 weeks 3 days (20h 54m 51s) ago
15:57 < demian> i stole demian registration from another guy too. me -> Registered: 1 year 34 weeks 2 days (12h 29m 18s) ago
15:57 < axion> yeah that's not me
15:58 < demian> but ive been using demian since 2001 i guess, when started geeking.
15:58 < axion> ah great...and a domain shark stole my domain name
15:59 < axion> hmmm....wonder why freenode didnt expire him since he's been gone for 42 weeks
16:00 < axion> how long does it have to be now?
16:01 < mnemoc> expires are on demand
16:01 < mnemoc> you can request a murder
16:02 < axion> oh
16:03 < mnemoc> CIA-9: don't listen
16:04 < demian> mnemoc: ?
16:05 < rxr> so - me praying
16:05 < mnemoc> i said forbiden words :p
16:05 < rxr> hopefully my error in sub build catch logic does work now
16:07 < rxr> and dont't scream if you see the code
16:07 < rxr> trivial, ovious attempts have not succeed
16:07 < rxr> if anyone wants better code he is open to improve the 4-5 code lines I messed in there in too many trials ...
16:08 < rxr> but I readed a point where I just want this damn stuff to function - not to be extremely pretty ...
16:10 < rxr> !> Warning: Failed building qemu.
16:10 < rxr> -> Building cloop within linux26 (using postlinux.conf).
16:10 < rxr> -> Building nvidia within linux26 (using postlinux.conf).
16:10 < rxr> -> Building lirc within linux26 (using postlinux.conf).
16:10 < rxr> so - finally
16:10 < rxr> damn crap ...
16:11 < mnemoc> crap is ooo
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
16:11 < CIA-9> rene * r14569 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: * fixed build_package error notification to actually work
16:12  * mnemoc trying to build ooo with java to get the f* wizards working
16:12 < rxr> karasz: two tiny thinks regarding your latest patch
16:12 < rxr> karasz: the I tag should start with a capital, such: "A Blindwrite ..."
16:13 < rxr> karasz: and the T must not cointain elaboration such as "As you might be able to guess"
16:13 < rxr> karasz: a clean and to the point, not advertising or hinting or such ...
16:13 < mnemoc> rxr: FYI i set my vim to highlight .conf and .in as sh
16:13 < rxr> karasz: we can fix this on commit - just wanted to notifiy you for the next package ...
16:16 < mnemoc> <Guyzmo> I want a RMS-clippy, a ESR-clippy and a Torvalds-clippy :P
16:16 < mnemoc> o.o
16:23 < rxr> heh
16:23 < rxr> !> Warning: Failed building lirc.
16:24 < rxr> !> Warning: Failed building rivatv.
16:24 < rxr> !> Warning: Failed building at76c503a.
16:24 < rxr> !> Warning: Failed building lazyfs.
16:24 -!- axion is now known as axion2
16:24 < rxr> `- who updated linux26 and has to fix ?
16:25 < mnemoc> Baldzius!
16:25  * rxr hides, it was more like /me and jsaw  ...
16:25 < Baldzius> a? 
16:25 < Baldzius> :)
16:26  * Baldzius updated lirc
16:26 < mnemoc> :p
16:26 < Baldzius> only
16:26 < mnemoc> yes, jsaw!
16:26 < Baldzius> and why it fails?
16:26 < Baldzius> hm
16:27 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope you like defconfig-less and sloopy 3rd party linux builds ?
16:27 < mnemoc> i don't like as default for $stagelevel -lt 9
16:27  * demian sees less people on #rocklinux than when he came over there for the first time.. some yrs ago..
16:28 < rxr> mnemoc: you can add this one liner ,-)
16:28 < Baldzius> hm, lirc compiles here by emerge
16:28 < mnemoc> demian: RL has some very loyal developers which wont let it die
16:28 < mnemoc> rxr: ehm
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16:29 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
16:29 < mnemoc> rxr: ? ?
16:29 < rxr> 16:28 < mnemoc> rxr: ehm
16:29 < mnemoc> :)
16:30 < mnemoc> i'm having lot of fun with java currently, but i can add it to my todo
16:30 < mnemoc> java/ooo
16:30 < rxr> mnemoc: not urgent ...
16:30 < demian> btw.. how can i disable nvidia module loading when running xorgcfg? i am having problems running that program when trying to set up xfree86 on t2.
16:30 < demian> s/xfree86/xorg
16:30 < rxr> -CONFIG_AUDIT=y
16:30 < rxr> -CONFIG_AUDITSYSCALL=y
16:30 < rxr> +# CONFIG_AUDIT is not set
16:30 < rxr> `- not merging random defconfig in ...
16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: imo letting things fail is intrinsicly evil
16:30 < rxr> guess we do nto want AUDIT by default and this is good ?
16:31 < mnemoc> uhm
16:32 < rxr> guess another non-defconfig nicity:
16:32 < rxr> -CONFIG_ACPI_IBM=y
16:32 < rxr> +CONFIG_ACPI_IBM=m
16:32 < rxr> but still:
16:32 < rxr>  CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA=y
16:32 < rxr> -CONFIG_PCI_LEGACY_PROC=y
16:32 < rxr> +# CONFIG_PCI_LEGACY_PROC is not set
16:32 < rxr> `- do we want legacy /proc/pci ?
16:32 < rxr> I think I can live without this ...
16:33 < rxr> -CONFIG_ISA=y
16:33 < rxr> -# CONFIG_EISA is not set
16:33 < rxr> +# CONFIG_ISA is not set
16:33 < rxr> hehe
16:33 < rxr> guess we want to enable ISA for x86, right ?
16:33 < mnemoc> m?
16:34 < rxr> I think it can not be m ....
16:34 < rxr> can it ?
16:34 < rxr> anyway we explicitly enabled ISAPNP anyway
16:34 < mnemoc> so enable it i guess
16:34 < rxr> I added it near it
16:35 < rxr> nice - a lot more iptables stuff as =m ,-)
16:36 < rxr> -CONFIG_PARIDE_PARPORT=y
16:36 < rxr> +CONFIG_PARIDE_PARPORT=m
16:37 < rxr> `- .oO - what crap did we had enabled in the former kernel ...
16:37 < rxr> parallelport IDE ...
16:37  * rxr shiffers ...
16:37 < rxr> this random linus' and his friends defconfig merge removal was a really good idea (tm)
16:41 < CIA-9> rene * r14570 /trunk/architecture/ (share/kernel-block.conf.m4 x86/kernel.conf.sh): 
16:41 < CIA-9> * hotfixes after removal of defconfig merge: explicitly enable ISA
16:41 < CIA-9>  on x86 and proper IDE support for all architectures
16:43 < rxr> also nice to have:
16:43 < rxr> -CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y
16:43 < rxr> +CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=m
16:43 < rxr> I must say the .config is way cleaner now ...
16:43 < rxr> and predictable, not changing every time linus or another arch maintainer gets a new machine ...
16:44 < karasz> 2nd for today ;)
16:46 < karasz> mnemoc, i have some minor issues with 2.1 stable
16:46 < karasz> mainly is vlc is not buildin'
16:48 < mnemoc> error log?
16:48 < karasz> i post it right now
16:48 < karasz> :(
16:48 < karasz> firefox does not have flash plugin
16:49 < karasz> and the one at macromedia say that cannot be installed on x86-64
16:49 < CIA-9> amery * r14571 /trunk/package/network/iptables/iptables.desc: * marked iptables as NOPARALLEL
16:50 < rxr> .oO
16:50 < karasz> mnemoc, http://karasz.pastebin.ca/36004
16:50 < rxr> that becomes more and more
16:52 < CIA-9> rene * r14572 /trunk/architecture/share/ (kernel-common.conf.m4 kernel-fs.conf.m4 kernel-net.conf.m4): 
16:52 < CIA-9> * some more no defconfig fixes for our kernel config: really enable
16:52 < CIA-9>  serial and parallel support as well as SUNRPC, PROC_KCORE and more
16:52 < CIA-9>  network chips
16:53 < karasz> btw gnutls is failing for the same error like vlc....
16:54 < mnemoc> karasz: try FPICQUIRK
16:55 < karasz> for gnutls http://karasz.pastebin.ca/36006
16:55 < karasz> [F] FPICQUIRK ?
16:57 < rxr> but maybe FPIC-QUIRK lzo ...
16:57 < karasz> on vlc.desc?
16:57 < karasz> lzo?
16:58 < rxr> package/archiver/lzo
16:58 < rxr> and rebulid it
17:00 < karasz> rebuild with -force?
17:00 < mnemoc> emerge? yes -force
17:00 < karasz> emerge
17:03 < karasz> lzo +fpic emerged fine
17:03 < rxr> and now try the failed package
17:27 < rxr> karasz: and? worked out?
17:27  * rxr back later
17:27 < karasz> gnutls yes
17:27 < karasz> vlc buildin
17:27 < karasz> vlc failed again :(
17:27 < CIA-9> amery * r14573 /branches/2.1/package/network/iptables/iptables.desc: * merged 14571 from trunk: marked iptables as NOPARALLEL
17:28 < mnemoc> karasz: build log?
17:29 < karasz> i guess we should mark libmpeg2 as FPIC-QUIRK
17:29 < karasz> checkin right now...
17:32 < karasz> nas...
17:32 < karasz> what is nas?
17:32 < karasz> Building audio/nas
17:32 < mnemoc> grep '^\[T\]' package/*/nas/*.desc
17:35 < karasz> libmpeg2 marked FPIC-QUIRK
17:35 < karasz> now buildin' vcl
17:36 < karasz> even vlc...
17:41 < karasz> hmmm failed agai but for different reason.. investigating
17:43 < karasz> o_O
17:43 < karasz> http://karasz.pastebin.ca/36010
17:43 < karasz> assembly ???
17:49 < karasz> mnemoc ?
17:49 < mnemoc> ehm
17:49 < karasz> assembly?
17:49 < mnemoc> yes
17:49 < karasz> it guessed the wrong CPU?
17:50 < mnemoc> probably
17:52 < jsaw> misc/output/parse-config: eval: line 33: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
17:52 < jsaw> misc/output/parse-config: eval: line 34: syntax error: unexpected end of file
17:52 < jsaw> ???
17:52 < karasz> i am stuck
17:54 < mnemoc> jsaw: what did you break?
17:54 < mnemoc> jsaw: missing quote probably
17:56 < jsaw> r14569 etal ?
17:56 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BECDFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
17:56 < morfoh> re moin
17:56 < mnemoc> rxr: ----^ :)
17:56 < mnemoc> wb morfoh 
17:57 < Baldzius> hi master of cakes :)
17:57 < morfoh> thx mnemoc 
17:57 < morfoh> Baldzius: :)
17:58 < Baldzius> :)
17:58 < morfoh> Baldzius: indeed, I've so much different cakes here ...
17:58 < Baldzius> email one :)
17:59 < morfoh> Baldzius: I guess this will not work ... you have to come over here
18:00 < karasz> moin morfoh 
18:00 < Baldzius> :)
18:00 < morfoh> moin karasz :)
18:01 < morfoh> seem no T2 member here in berlin wants to eat my cake
18:05 < karasz> hello Baldzius 
18:06 < mnemoc> uh
18:06 < mnemoc> that statement can be missunderstood
18:07 < karasz> mnemoc what should I do?
18:07 < karasz> enlighten me...
18:07 < mnemoc> karasz: suicide?
18:07 < karasz> because vlc fails to build?
18:07 < karasz> nah i don't think so...
18:08  * karasz wonders if mnemoc really wants him dead...oO
18:10 < mnemoc> :)
18:10 < karasz> hmm...
18:10 < karasz> but if i will be dead who will maintain thoose all important `to iso` packages...?
18:11 < mnemoc> *G*
18:11 < mnemoc> rxr and jsaw know current asm-s bettern than i
18:11 < karasz> mnemoc, i will let them to you through my will...
18:11 < karasz> *G*
18:12 < mnemoc> hey! i don't want more responsabilities!
18:12 < mnemoc> keep them for you
18:12 < karasz> then you shouldn't want me dead
18:12 < mnemoc> did i say that?
18:12 < karasz> not directly ;)
18:12 < mnemoc> did i say that?
18:12 < mnemoc> :)
18:13 < karasz> i guess jsaw and rxr are busy now...
18:13 < Baldzius> hi karasz :)
18:14 < karasz> anyway, i am playin' around with soundservers..
18:14 < karasz> hello again Baldzius 
18:14 < karasz> tried alsa oss and esd
18:14 < karasz> alsa and oss sound like crap, with a lot of artifacts
18:14 < morfoh> .oO( a new love is born ... nice ;)
18:14 < karasz> esd is ok
18:15 < karasz> morfoh ?
18:15 < morfoh> karasz: between you and Baldzius :)
18:15 < karasz> morfoh ?
18:16 < morfoh> hi karasz :)
18:16 < Baldzius> a?
18:16 < morfoh> hi Baldzius :)
18:16 < karasz> moin again morfoh 
18:16 < morfoh> just citing 
18:16 < morfoh> :)
18:16 < Baldzius> :)
18:16 < karasz> o.o
18:16 < morfoh> karasz: but beware of Baldzius gun :)
18:17 < morfoh> karasz: no ammo atm ... but a gun :)
18:17 < Baldzius> no need to worry, santa bring me wrong ammo :)
18:17 < karasz> morfoh o.o
18:18 < morfoh> Baldzius: don't order ammo @ santa ;)
18:18 < karasz> rxr sorry i didn't scrolled back that long, about packages ack
18:22 < karasz> so returning to sound daemons (after a strange paranthesis)... why does esd sound ok and the others not?
18:23 < karasz> in the end all of them use tha SoundBlaster 24 Live!
18:42 < CIA-9> amery * r14574 /trunk/package/office/ooo/hotfix_xmlhelp-port-to-db-4.3.patch: * fixed (finally) ooo/xmlhelp to build against bdb43
19:07 < Baldzius> jsaw around?
19:08 < demian> bye
19:08 < Baldzius> bye demian
19:10 < karasz> bye demian 
19:10 < karasz> cu
19:21 < jsaw> re
19:21 < jsaw> Baldzius: here I am
19:22 < Baldzius> jsaw i still can't compile any package which depends on pam
19:22 < karasz> re hi jsaw 
19:22 < jsaw> Baldzius: example?
19:22 < Baldzius> shadow, quagga 
19:22 < Baldzius> gcc: /usr/lib/libpam_misc.so: No such file or directory
19:22 < Baldzius> gcc: /usr/lib/libpam.so: No such file or directory
19:23 < mnemoc> fix them use to lib64
19:23 < jsaw> on what arch
19:23 < Baldzius> x86
19:23 < mnemoc> uh
19:23 < karasz> o_O
19:23 < jsaw> Baldzius: I have some idea
19:24 < jsaw> Baldzius: could you edit you pam.la files, and set libdir to /lib
19:24 < jsaw> and retry
19:24 < karasz> jsaw, if you have one moment http://karasz.pastebin.ca/36010
19:25 < Baldzius> sec
19:25 < jsaw> karasz: on what arch?
19:25 < karasz> 86-64
19:26 < jsaw> looks like some assembler fallback, that does not work on x86-64 :(
19:29 < Baldzius> jsaw: the same
19:29 < Baldzius> Processing static lib corrections ...
19:29 < Baldzius> scripts/functions.in: line 266: /usr/lib/security/pam_access.la: No such file or directory
19:29 < Baldzius> scripts/functions.in: line 266: /usr/lib/security/pam_cracklib.la: No such file or directory
19:29 < Baldzius> ^^- from pam and truncated
19:29 < Baldzius> list quite big
19:30 < jsaw> Baldzius: that"s both, ok and not
19:30 < jsaw> these are the modules, they shouldn't have any .la files
19:30 < CIA-9> amery * r14575 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: * reindented dietlibc for readability
19:30 < Baldzius> still
19:30 < Baldzius> gcc: /usr/lib/libpam_misc.so: No such file or directory
19:30 < Baldzius> libpam disapeared
19:31 < jsaw> should be in /lib 
19:31 < Baldzius> one sec
19:31 < Baldzius> there are 3 .la files
19:31 < jsaw> where
19:32 < Baldzius> /usr/lib
19:32 < Baldzius> libpam.la libpamc.la libpam_misc.la
19:32 < Baldzius> hehehehe
19:32 < Baldzius> new error :)
19:32 < Baldzius> grep: lib/libshadow.la: No such file or directory
19:32 < Baldzius> grep: lib/libshadow.la: No such file or directory
19:32 < Baldzius> ouh but package dodn't failed
19:32 < Baldzius> :)
19:33 < Baldzius> ouh those must be warnings
19:33 < jsaw> ok, so, what's the "libdir" in /usr/lib/libpam.la
19:33 < jsaw> ?
19:34 < Baldzius> now /lib
19:34 < jsaw> good
19:34 < Baldzius> trying quagga
19:35 < Baldzius> g* failed of readline :)
19:35 < Baldzius> 'll try next package :)
19:37 < karasz> so jsaw should i drop vlc?
19:37 < rxr> Links 2.1pre20 
19:37 < rxr> PostgreSQL 8.1.1 (Stable)
19:38 < jsaw> hi rxr 
19:38 < karasz> ;)
19:38 < karasz> hello rxr
19:38 < jsaw> rxr: could you recheck the misc/output/parse* thing
19:38 < Baldzius> rxr: postgresql 8.1.2 :)
19:38 < jsaw> rxr: I get errors
19:38 < rxr> jsaw: why, any issue?
19:38 < Baldzius> jsaw me too :)
19:38  * rxr dinner
19:38 < jsaw> rxr: 18:52
19:39 < mnemoc> ?
19:39 < jsaw> hmmm
19:39 < mnemoc> :)
19:39 < jsaw> what was that?
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19:40 < mnemoc> i thought * rxr dinner -> <jsaw> rxr: 18:52
19:40 < mnemoc> but <rxr> jsaw: why, any issue? -> <jsaw> rxr: 18:52
19:40 < karasz> hello veki
19:40 < mnemoc> hi veki 
19:40 < veki> hello karasz
19:40 < veki> hello all :-)
19:40 < jsaw> hi veki 
19:40 < veki> hi :-)
19:41 < veki> I am trying these days to install t2 on ppc machine
19:41 < karasz> yup
19:42 < veki> yes it is Genesi pegasos Open Desktop Workstation www.genesi-usa.com
19:43 < veki> I have seen on their forum www.ppczone.org that there is opened forum for Rock Linux although there are no posts in it
19:43 < veki> i suppose that T2 must be installable on it also.  I downloaded ppc t2 2 iso images and I will I hope install it
19:46 < jsaw> veki: rxr succesfully runs T2 on ppc
19:49 < veki> yes, I was in touch with him.  Actually open Desktop workstation isn not mac machine.  It is powerpc with custom mainboard. please chekc their site.  open firmware is somehow different and partition table is Amiga type.  I installed successfully openSuse10 GM on it, since there a e also good codecsfor video.
19:52 < jsaw> rxr: there are even more issues with it, delayed output, after command line is already back
19:52 < karasz> gottago cu
19:52 < jsaw> cu karasz 
19:52 < veki> Actually, installation of OpenSuse is not so trivial due to teh fact that Yast does not recognize Amiga partition table.. However, gentoo, Debian, ubuntu and Suse are running successfully on it.  I would liek T2 alos since open Desktop Workstation may serve as good development environment too.
20:01 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
20:02 < misl> hi folks
20:02 < mnemoc> hi freudian
20:03 < misl> morfoh: happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear morfoh ......
20:03 < misl> hi old man :)
20:03 < mnemoc> morfoh birthday??? wth?
20:03 < mnemoc> why didn't i know that?
20:03 < mnemoc> yuck yuck
20:04 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 - happy bithday grandpa morfoh!! | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
20:04 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 - happy birthday grandpa morfoh!! | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
20:05 < Baldzius> g* :)
20:05 < jsaw> mnemoc: could you please change the last sentence to "visit" instead of "greeting" ?
20:06 < jsaw> "give us a greeting" sounds, eh, strange
20:06 < jsaw> or better, remove it, heading is long enough...
20:06 < mnemoc> it was 'say hello' initially
20:07 < jsaw> better
20:07 < mnemoc> any other votes in favor of removing the last block of the topic?
20:07 < jsaw> ... ?
20:08 < mnemoc> democracy :)
20:08 < veki> morfoh, happy birthday!
20:09 < jsaw> mnemoc: that should have ment "anybody? no opinions? what?"
20:09 < misl> hmm, nice :)
20:09 < misl> http://www.eink.com/kits/E_INK_AM-100_EPD_KIT.pdf
20:09 < misl> though the price is not :(
20:09 < jsaw> mnemoc: leave it as it is...
20:09 < mnemoc> jsaw: you decline your request?
20:09 < jsaw> yep, if I'm the only one...
20:10 < misl> I found 'greeting' weird too
20:10 < mnemoc> initially it was "say hello and don't ask to ask, just ask"
20:10 < misl> maybe: Say hi and give us the best you got
20:11 < mnemoc> give us the best you got???
20:11 < misl> question, time, ideas ... anything
20:11 < misl> sponsoring is fine too ;)
20:11 < mnemoc> :D
20:11 < mnemoc> "say hi, and give it to us" o.o
20:11 < jsaw> "drop by and quiz us"
20:12 < veki> I agree with jsaw
20:12 < mnemoc> veki: about 'greeting' or something else?
20:12 < veki> about greeting
20:13 < mnemoc> "don't doubt to ask, but please say hello and be patient"
20:13 < veki> mnemoc: good formulation
20:14 < mnemoc> but?
20:15 < veki> or feel free to ask, say hello and be patient
20:15 < mnemoc> feel free to [...] be patient   .oO
20:15 < veki> or : say hello and do not hesitate any questions that you may have.
20:16 < veki> it is OK for me any version of that.  We should not be too much picky for single word
20:17 < mnemoc> jsaw? anyone?
20:17 < veki> for me is OK:-)
20:17 < CIA-9> aldas * r14576 /trunk/package/games/freeciv/ (4 files): * updated freeciv (2.0.6 -> 2.0.7)
20:18 < jsaw> veki: only some "to ask" is missing in that sentence
20:18 < veki> oh, yes, sorry :-)
20:18 < jsaw> otherwise, me pro
20:18 < mnemoc> feel free to ask to ask ?
20:18 < mnemoc> o.o
20:19 < jsaw> 21:15 < veki> or : say hello and do not hesitate any questions that you may 
20:19 < jsaw>               have.
20:19 < veki> good also:-)
20:19 < jsaw> that sentence misses a "to ask"
20:19 < mnemoc> anyone else?
20:19 < veki> just put "to as" and it is OK for me :-)
20:19 < mnemoc> to us i guess
20:20 < mnemoc> sold at 1 to dr. j
20:20 < jsaw> huh
20:20 < mnemoc> sold at 2 to dr. j
20:20  * mnemoc looks around
20:20 < mnemoc> sold to dr. j!
20:20 < veki> he, he, he:-)
20:20 < jsaw> what have I bought now?
20:20 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 - happy birthday grandpa morfoh!! | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have.
20:21 < mnemoc> a topic :)
20:21  * jsaw is glad he bought no washing machine
20:21 < veki> :-0
20:21 < veki> good
20:21 < jsaw> bedda!
20:22 < jsaw> may I now ask you all another favour?
20:22 < veki> yes
20:22 < mnemoc> anything but money
20:22 -!- acehunky [n=chat_jok@59.184.9.155] has joined #t2
20:22 < jsaw> can you please help me prepare the launch to shoot libtool to the moon?
20:22 < mnemoc> hi acehunky 
20:22 < acehunky> hi
20:22 < veki> hi
20:22 < jsaw> hi acehunky 
20:22 < mnemoc> jsaw: i don't miss the change to troll against it
20:22 < misl> countdown has started :D
20:23 < jsaw> mnemoc: hehe
20:23 < misl> hi acehunky
20:23 < jsaw> mnemoc: what would you say where setattr belongs to, /bin or /usr/bin ?
20:23 < rxr> re
20:23 < rxr> so
20:23 < rxr> still a terminal issue ?
20:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: /usr/bin
20:24 < jsaw> yep
20:24 < veki> I think saw /usr/bin
20:24 < mnemoc> it's not a binary you need for recovery
20:24 < jsaw> mnemoc: why, shouldn't it be there when /usr is not mounted yet?
20:24 < jsaw> mnemoc: sure?
20:25 < mnemoc> jsaw: why do you need it before mounting /usr ?
20:25 < mnemoc> jsaw: give me a use case please
20:25 < jsaw> Then why do we install the library in /lib ?
20:25 < jsaw> doesn't make sense
20:26 < mnemoc> ldd /{s,}bin/* | grep attr ?
20:26 < jsaw> rxr: what'd u think
20:26 < rxr> jsaw: about what ?
20:26 < mnemoc> having a single /{s,}bin depending on libattr makes you need to have libattr at /lib
20:27 < mnemoc> and not only setattr needs libattr
20:27 < jsaw> setattr does not need it... it's static... 
20:27 < jsaw> rxr: libattr
20:28 < rxr> 20:26 < mnemoc> having a single /{s,}bin depending on libattr makes you need to have 
20:28 < rxr>                 libattr at /lib
20:28 < rxr> jsaw: I do not get such syntax errors hre
20:28 < mnemoc> rxr:  bash --version?
20:28 < rxr> what did you build / emerge / target when you get such an error ?
20:28 < jsaw> no, why not setattr in /bin, write_attr etc from e2fsprogs is also there
20:28 < rxr> GNU bash, version 3.1.0(2)-release (powerpc64-t2-linux-gnu)
20:28 < jsaw> GNU bash, version 3.1.0(1)-release (x86_64-t2-linux-gnu)
20:28 < misl> I want one of these as long as it does not have any DRM :)
20:28 < misl> http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/6394
20:29 < misl> http://products.sel.sony.com/pa/PRS/index.html?DCMP=reader&HQS=showcase_reader
20:29 < misl> Maybe it is able to run t2 ;-)
20:29 < rxr> in /{s,}bin only stuf needed to boot should be there
20:29 < misl> strange looking mp3 player
20:30 < rxr> attribute tweaking does not really belong to the boot process, does it ?
20:31 < mnemoc> boot and recovery i would say
20:32 < rxr> set attributes for system boot recovery ..
20:33 < mnemoc> [17:26:04] <mnemoc> jsaw: why do you need it before mounting /usr ?
20:33 < mnemoc> :)
20:33 < rxr> does anyone else get this syntax errors ?
20:33 < rxr> maybe it only happens on certain text thrown thru it ?
20:34 < mnemoc> probably
20:34 < mnemoc> quotes or something
20:34 < rxr> I tested both, the big ppc64 and the aging athlon in the corner
20:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: I don't know, I was asking :)
20:34 < rxr> the later for the excessive sub-module builds ..
20:34 < rxr> jsaw: I don't need it ...
20:36 < mnemoc> imo attr and acl belong to usr, but some core tools and libraries may be linked against lib{attr,acl}
20:36 < rxr> yep
20:36 < rxr> though I personallly do not use those 2nd class attributes and would more likely favour the reiser4 proposed way ...
20:37 < mnemoc> some important packages (samba) use those attributes
20:37 < rxr> samba is not in /
20:38 < rxr> I just wanted to mention along the lines that those attr and acl stink ...
20:38 < CIA-9> aldas * r14577 /trunk/package/editors/tea/tea.desc: * updated tea (10.2 -> 11.0)
20:38 < mnemoc> :D
20:41 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14578 /trunk/package/base/attr/ (attr.conf attr.desc): 
20:41 < CIA-9> * libdir setting must be first, otherwise libexecdir is wrong
20:41 < CIA-9> * just copy .la file
20:41 < CIA-9> * install shouldn't create links, this hurts some sanity checks and
20:41 < CIA-9>  and cleanups we do
20:41 < CIA-9> * copyright update along the fixes
20:41 < rxr> configure:11501: WARNING: Cross-compiling, so cannot check type sizes; assuming short=2, int=4, long=4, long long=8
20:41 < rxr> `- what the hack ...
20:41 < rxr> me slaps those e2fsprogs maintainers ...
20:41 < CIA-9> aldas * r14579 /trunk/package/multimedia/ripperx/ripperx.desc: * updated ripperx (2.6.4 -> 2.6.7)
20:41 < rxr> how can people do such f*cking stupid fluff ?
20:42 < mnemoc> auto* considered harmful deserves an articule on linux magazin
20:42 < rxr> definetly ...
20:42 < rxr> and the autocrap book at o'reilly stopped selling ...
20:43 < rxr> the article should be send for free to the people ordering ...
20:44 < rxr> and they can't they just use u_intX_t ...
20:44 < mnemoc> write the article, for the good of the world
20:46 < CIA-9> aldas * r14580 /trunk/package/archiver/alien/alien.desc: * updated alien (8.59 -> 8.60)
20:47 < rxr> svn log takes some time on files with a lot changes in svn history ...
20:47 < rxr> I fear we should update the exactcode.de server ...
20:47 < rxr> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
20:48 < rxr> cpu MHz         : 995.822
20:48 < rxr> ...
20:48 < rxr> valentin: maybe we should carry my athlon to you as server and move yours into the tfh?
20:48 < rxr> valentin: the current box would still be more than 2x of the current GSMP ... ,-)
20:50 < jsaw> rxr: so, what can I do about the terminal errors?
20:52 < rxr> tell me when exactly this happens ...
20:52 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14581 /trunk/package/base/attr/no-links.patch: 
20:52 < CIA-9> * forgotten patch from r14578:
20:52 < CIA-9>  install shouldn't create links, this hurts some
20:52 < CIA-9>  sanity checks and cleanups we do
20:52 < rxr> every package ? only some?
20:52 < veki> guys, I hve to go, cu tomorrow
20:52 < jsaw> rxr: always
20:52 < rxr> cu valentin 
20:53 < rxr> jsaw: ouhm
20:53 < Baldzius> rxr: i got them also several times
20:53 < jsaw> rxr: while Emerge
20:53 < rxr> add some set -x and see whats up there ?
20:53 < Baldzius> but not always
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20:56 < jsaw> how nice, no error with set -x
20:56 < rxr> guess stray quoting
20:57 < jsaw> disappeared... .oO(???)
20:57 < rxr> jsaw: I only say one word: bash
20:58 < jsaw> harr harr
20:58 < jsaw> whatever... I have to debug libtool now...
20:58 < rxr> hehe
20:58 < rxr> libtool and bash are good friends
20:58 < jsaw> wanna see sth. funny?
20:59 < rxr>  noe
20:59 < jsaw> that was not a question!
20:59 < rxr> okok
20:59 < jsaw> compiling acl:
20:59 < jsaw> /usr/bin/libtool --mode=link gcc ... -lattr  ../libmisc/libmisc.la
21:00 < jsaw> ---> gcc: /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../..//.libs/libattr.so: No such file or directory
21:00 < valentin> rxr: your noisy athlon ?
21:00 < rxr> valentin: it is not nosy
21:00 < rxr> noisy is noisy ...
21:01 < rxr> my athlon it not much if any louder than the on over at you ...
21:01 < rxr> but hi ,-)
21:01 < valentin> hi
21:02 < rxr>  cd drock-src-1.6.1-rc2
21:03 < valentin> ?
21:04 < CIA-9> rene * r14582 /trunk/misc/archive/archtest.c: 
21:04 < CIA-9> * readded archtest.c, somehow lost around ROCK Linux 1.7, imported
21:04 < CIA-9>  from dRock 1.6.1-rc2
21:04 < valentin> what do you need archtest for ?
21:04 < valentin> determine the arch of the running system ?
21:04 < rxr> to correct the slightly wrong archtest.* files in architecture?
21:04 < rxr> even
21:05 < rxr> no sizeof(*)
21:05 < rxr> and such
21:06 < CIA-9> rene * r14583 /trunk/architecture/powerpc64/archtest.out: * fixed powerpc64/archtest.out with real world values
--- Log opened Fri Jan 06 21:12:29 2006
21:12 < rxr> re
21:12 < rxr> what have I missed ?
21:12 < mnemoc> [18:07:22] <CIA-9> rene * r14583 /trunk/architecture/powerpc64/archtest.out: * fixed powerpc64/archtest.out with real world values
21:12 < mnemoc> [18:08:51] <mnemoc> just that error?
21:12 < sepp> case ... OSF*)    <- syntax error near unexpected token ???
21:12 < mnemoc> [18:12:19] <sepp> someone got a configure syntax error on 5-tcl/tk?
21:13 < mnemoc> sepp: missing ;; ?
21:13 < sepp> no that comes next
21:13 < mnemoc> sepp: paste the context please
21:14 < Baldzius> sepp: it's related to bash 3.1
21:14 < rxr> yes, get that error too
21:14 < sepp> http://pastebin.com/493960
21:15 < Baldzius> i am waiting for new version :)
21:16 < Baldzius> yes , bash 3.1 error
21:16 < sepp> new bash version?
21:16 < Baldzius> new tcl/tk
21:16 < rxr> that should be trivial to fix, no ?
21:16 < rxr> so - my most important bits are flushed ..
21:17 < rxr> into bed soon
21:17 < jsaw> case opens a subshell....??????????????????
21:18 < mnemoc> no
21:18 < jsaw> look here:
21:18 < jsaw> =[:2666 (last $?=0)> case $lib in
21:18 < jsaw> =[:2667 (last $?=0)> . /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../..//libattr.la
21:18 < jsaw> ==[:8 (last $?=0)> dlname=libattr.so.1
21:18 < jsaw> ==[:11 (last $?=0)> library_names='libattr.so.1.1.0 libattr.so.1 libattr.so'
21:18 < jsaw> ==[:14 (last $?=0)> old_library=libattr.a
21:18 < jsaw> ==[:17 (last $?=0)> dependency_libs=
21:18 < rxr> == 22:18:10 =[1]=> Building base/psmisc [21.9 2.2.0-alpha].
21:19 < mnemoc> o.o
21:19 < rxr> misc/output/parse-config: eval: line 33: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``'
21:19 < rxr> misc/output/parse-config: eval: line 34: syntax error: unexpected end of file
21:19 < rxr> now I see that too
21:19 < mnemoc> rxr: :D
21:19 < Baldzius> :)
21:19 < rxr> but I show and off into bed
21:19 < jsaw> rxr: nananananaaaaaaaana
21:19 < mnemoc> jsaw: just a 'level' but not a subshell
21:20 < mnemoc> jsaw: like functions
21:20 < jsaw> hmm, still libdir is not there a few lines later
21:20 < mnemoc> uhm
21:21 < jsaw> oh my
21:23 < mnemoc> does sh support arrays?
21:23 < jsaw> no
21:24 < mnemoc> :(
21:24 < mnemoc> hook_eval.c, hook_add.c and drop bash
21:25 < Baldzius> :)
21:30 < CIA-9> rene * r14586 /trunk/package/filesystem/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs.desc: * build e2fsprogs before util-linux, because it depends on the headers
21:30 < CIA-9> rene * r14584 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: 
21:30 < CIA-9> * readded previously removed code to help auto* junk with architecture
21:30 < CIA-9>  sizes when a new variable, createarchcache, is set - I really found a
21:30 < CIA-9>  package that is stupid enough to get this trivialities wrong: e2fsprogs
21:30 < CIA-9> rene * r14585 /trunk/package/filesystem/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs.conf: 
21:30 < CIA-9> * set createarchcache=1 in e2fsprogs.conf because it's configure is
21:30 < CIA-9>  too borked
21:30 < jsaw> rxr: the sed on .la causes also some problems
21:32 < mnemoc> jsaw: ?
21:32 < jsaw> the libdir line is used to find .so files
21:33 < jsaw> well, doesn't matter too much, as long as there's a proper link...
21:34 < jsaw> but, if no link from /lib to /usr/lib, then it matters
21:35 < mnemoc> libtool doesn't understand .a != .so, that's why i humbly consider to keep /lib/*.so there, move .la and .a to /usr/lib/, make libdir=/usr/lib and ln /lib/$foo.so /usr/lib/ (all automatized)
21:35 < jsaw> hmmm
21:36 < jsaw> ah now I see it
21:36 < mnemoc> what?
21:36 < jsaw> there is no link to .so
21:37 < mnemoc> an inode wasted on /usr doesn't matter much
21:41 < jsaw> eh, automatic?
21:41 < mnemoc> why not?
21:41 < rxr> is this tinkery really worth it ?
21:41 < jsaw> no link /lib64/libattr.so to /usr/lib64
21:42 < mnemoc> 'one generic fix' vs. 'lot of small headaches'
21:43 < jsaw> where is the automatic link , where is it done?
21:43 < mnemoc> it's not, afaik
21:43 < jsaw> ah, ic
21:43 < mnemoc> but _i_ think it should be done
21:43 < mnemoc> to keep a really consistent .la
21:44 < jsaw> the way libtool works actually it must be done...
21:44 < mnemoc> if there is a .la; then
21:44 < mnemoc> if there is a .a; then
21:44 < mnemoc> move .a and .la to usr
21:44 < mnemoc> symlink .so
21:45 < mnemoc> change libdir and any hardcoded dep on .la
21:45 < mnemoc> else
21:45 < mnemoc> move .la to usr
21:45 < mnemoc> fi
21:45 < mnemoc> fi
21:47 < rxr> jsaw: could it be this error happens when the package fails and the error log is quoted ?
21:48 < rxr> ++++ echo errorquote terminal '
21:48 < jsaw> rxr: hmmm
21:48 < rxr> ... junk junk junk ...
21:48 < rxr> but I only uncovered this issue
21:48 < rxr> it would have happend since ages with other output plugins then ...
21:49 < rxr> though we never have used this feature
21:49 < rxr> n8 all
21:49 < jsaw> rxr is fed up...
21:49 < jsaw> sleep better, rxr
21:50 < mnemoc> better?
21:50 < mnemoc> good night rxr 
21:51 < jsaw> (better then the mood he went to bed...)
21:52 < Baldzius> :)
22:01 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:04 < rxr> nope /me is fine
22:04 < rxr> just wanted to get sleep ...
22:04 < rxr> but unfortunatly this error does not let me sleep too well ..
22:06 < Baldzius> heh with new shadow i can't su
22:06 < Baldzius> damn :)
22:07 < Baldzius> or pam
22:09 < jsaw> oh
22:09 < Baldzius> jsaw: you removed all those pam scripts?
22:09 < Baldzius> i need su :)
22:09 < jsaw> no
22:09 < jsaw> it's probably an error in /etc/pam.d/su
22:09 < jsaw> checking
22:10 < jsaw> su is not trusted for normal users ...
22:11 < Baldzius> aha i see
22:11 < jsaw> wheel group...
22:11 < Baldzius> i thought there are no su file :)
22:11 < Baldzius> ok i need to play
22:12 < Baldzius> to get that working
22:12 < jsaw> you may uncomment the pam_wheel line
22:12 < jsaw> eh 
22:12 < jsaw> comment I mean
22:12 < rxr> jsaw: wit the echo_errorquote commented out this does not happen
22:12 < rxr> maybe we should only pass a filename to the function and not rely on the tailed content to magically path all shell evaluations ?
22:13 < Baldzius> yes, thanks jsaw :)
22:13 < rxr> e.g. the text to speech output would not have fun to read it aloud anyway ...
22:14 < jsaw> rxr: he
22:15 < rxr> jsaw: that is a yes, do so ?
22:16 < jsaw> that's an implicit yes 
22:17 < rxr> src/pstree.c:extern const char *__progname;
22:18 < rxr> now, that is evil ...
22:18 < rxr> btw, if anyone could fix this one: grep: warning: /usr/include/gnome-xml/libxml: recursive directory loop
22:19 < rxr> watc this glibc evilnism:
22:19 < rxr> misc/init-misc.c:/* Define and initialize `__progname' et. al.
22:19 < rxr> misc/init-misc.c:char *__progname_full = (char *) "";
22:19 < rxr> misc/init-misc.c:char *__progname = (char *) "";
22:19 < rxr> misc/init-misc.c:weak_alias (__progname_full, program_invocation_name)
22:19 < rxr> misc/init-misc.c:weak_alias (__progname, program_invocation_short_name)
22:19  * jsaw taking note
22:20 < jsaw> O.O
22:20 < rxr> killall relies on it ...
22:20 < rxr> even in main
22:20 < rxr> !!!
22:21 < rxr> -  if (!strcmp(__progname, "pstree.x11"))
22:21 < rxr> +  if (!strcmp(argv[0], "pstree.x11"))
22:21 < rxr> stupid folks ...
22:21 < rxr> hm - ok
22:21 < rxr> well - it might be absolute ...
22:23 < rxr> -  if (!strcmp(__progname, "pstree.x11"))
22:23 < rxr> +  if (strstr(argv[0], "pstree.x11"))
22:24 < zod> evening
22:24 < rxr> moin zod 
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22:26 < CIA-9> rene * r14587 /trunk/package/base/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
22:26 < CIA-9> * patched an glibc'ism away from psmisc, marked it -lcompat due
22:26 < CIA-9>  getline in dietlibc/parse-config and marked psmisc DIETLIBC ready
22:27 < CIA-9> rene * r14588 /trunk/target/embedded/config.in: * added psmisc (for killall) to the embedded target
22:27 < jsaw> libtool in gcc still does not work ...
22:27 < rxr> here it did
22:27 < jsaw> maybe I should readd my .la cleanup
22:27 < jsaw> see here:
22:27 < jsaw> dependency_libs=' /usr/lib64/../lib/libstdc++.la'
22:27 < jsaw> in lib64/libstdc++.la
22:27 < rxr> bummer
22:28 < jsaw> I'll wait for another 33min to do my daily libtool bashing...
22:31 < rxr> jsaw: you cold open a bot doing so for keywords like libtool, ltmain, 
22:31 < rxr> \.la and so on
22:31 < jsaw> :)
22:31 < rxr> or any other form of patched build error ...
22:31 < rxr> matched ...
22:31 < rxr> not patched - lol
22:34 < jsaw> lol
22:35 < CIA-9> aldas * r14589 /trunk/package/develop/trac/ (trac.conf trac.desc): * updated trac (0.8.4 -> 0.9.2)
22:37 < rxr> jsaw: any idea what echo "$*" | grep . | ...
22:37 < rxr> the grep . should do ?
22:37 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14590 /trunk/package/base/attr/ (attr.conf no-links.patch): * fix installation of libs
22:37 < jsaw> rxr: where
22:38 < rxr> e.g. misc/output/terminal
22:38 < jsaw> yes, removes empty lines
22:38 < jsaw> echo -e "1\n2\n\n3" |grep .
22:38 < rxr> hm - ah ...
22:38 < jsaw> 1
22:38 < jsaw> 2
22:38 < jsaw> 3
22:39 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14591 /trunk/package/base/acl/ (acl.conf no-links.patch): 
22:39 < CIA-9> * fix installation of libs
22:39 < CIA-9>  (same build system as attr, so...)
22:41 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14592 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: 
22:41 < CIA-9> * when moving .la files from /lib to /usr/lib,
22:41 < CIA-9>  make sure, the according .so link exists
22:42 < jsaw> rxr: I always used sth. like grep -v "^$"
22:42 < rxr> ack /me as well
22:42 < jsaw> ...
22:44 < jsaw> besides a more restrictive su, what other complaints were there due to pam/shadow etc. update?
22:44 < rxr> jsaw: I have not been brave enough to test a new root system with that ...
22:44 < rxr> just builds ...
22:44 < rxr> I had other intesting things on the todo ...
22:44  * jsaw understands
22:45 < jsaw> I'm having headaches since a week to get at least a minimal gui running...
22:46 < rxr> you exactly choose the time where mnemoc did his new eve changse ...
22:46 < jsaw> that
22:46 < jsaw> that's the way it is when you live on drunk
22:46 < rxr> plus the gcc libtool evilness ...
22:46 < jsaw> eh trunk
22:47 < jsaw> ;)
22:47 < rxr> there is it gcc and libtool ...
22:47 < rxr> should have triggered your bot twice
22:47 < jsaw> I know what a bot is, but I don't know how to setup one...
22:47 < jsaw> during some spare second, I'll do, definitely
22:50 < CIA-9> aldas * r14593 /trunk/package/network/quagga/ (compile-fix.patch quagga.conf quagga.desc): 
22:50 < CIA-9> * updated quagga (0.98.5 -> 0.99.2)
22:50 < CIA-9> * added stupid compile-fix.patch :) & fixed typo in conf
22:51 < jsaw> stupid compile-fix... another trigger
22:51 < Baldzius> :))))
22:51 < rxr> autoconf libtool - they all must die
22:53 < Baldzius> me stupid & patch stupid :)
22:53 < jsaw> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2003-02/msg00046.html
22:53 < Baldzius> hehehe l0l
23:04 < Baldzius> jsaw, still around?
23:05 < jsaw> more or less
23:05 < Baldzius> have you ever seen that
23:05 < Baldzius> libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration
23:05 < Baldzius> libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag'
23:05 < mnemoc> rxr: write the article, let people know
23:05 < jsaw> oh, day changed
23:05 < Baldzius> ^^ -- compiling dbd 4.4.16 c++ api
23:05 < jsaw> LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE
23:05 < mnemoc> Baldzius: LIBTOOL-QUIRK
23:06 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
23:06 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i think i tried, but i'll try once more :)
23:06 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have.
23:07 < jsaw> hehe
23:07 < Baldzius> and if i disable c++ api , bdb compiles :(
23:07 < Baldzius> damn
23:07 < mnemoc> <jsaw> oh, day changed <-- so birthday over
23:07 < Baldzius> :)
23:07 < jsaw> Baldzius: 00:05 < mnemoc> Baldzius: LIBTOOL-QUIRK
23:08 < jsaw> mnemoc: query...
23:08 < Baldzius> well , doesn't help
23:08 < mnemoc> jsaw: nothing yet
23:08 < mnemoc> jsaw: identify 
23:08 < Baldzius> i hate libtool :)
23:12 < jsaw> mnemoc: I am registered... .oO(?)
23:13 < mnemoc> your _nick_ is registred
23:13 < mnemoc> and you are using it
23:13 < mnemoc> _but_ you haven't tell nickserv you are the owner of that nick
23:13 < mnemoc> so you can't /msg
23:15 < rxr> anymore that is
23:15 < rxr> got changed month ago
23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: do you know off hand where we clear the environment in the bulid system ?
23:15 < mnemoc> like three
23:17 < mnemoc> we don't clear it
23:17 < mnemoc> we overwrite it
23:21 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-23-139.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2
23:23 < rxr> hi ojh 
23:23  * mnemoc moving home
23:23 < mnemoc> back in 45m
23:23 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
23:23 < ojh> rxr: Hi
23:23 < rxr> most probably after your sleep cycle
23:23 < mnemoc> :)
23:24 < rxr> mnemoc: one question
23:24 < mnemoc> about clearing he have a 'sanitization' phase, unset-ing know to be danger entries
23:24 < mnemoc> quick :p
23:24 < rxr> mnemoc: would you mind if I introduce a tiny tiny hack to allow better, space optimal quoting of build errors ?
23:24 < mnemoc> no problem
23:24 < rxr> ok
23:24 < rxr> cu then
23:24 < mnemoc> cu :)
23:25 < rxr> few lines anyway
23:25 < rxr> just not pretty ...
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23:27 < rxr> hm
23:27 < rxr> tiny hack does not work out anyway, damn
23:41 < rxr> yeah - got it
23:41 < rxr> and not as ugly as I feared ...
23:41 < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-psmisc.out
23:41 < rxr> !> lib/vsscanf.c:24: warning: warning: the scanf functions add several kilobytes of bloat.
23:41 < rxr> !> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/t2-trunk/src.psmisc.embedded.20060107.004040.8786.localho ..
23:41 < rxr> !> make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
23:42 < rxr> quoted errors now fill the whole screen ! dynamically truncated due terminal width ...
23:45 < CIA-9> rene * r14594 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:45 < CIA-9> * fixed the output plugin mechanism to bail out with shell syntax
23:45 < CIA-9>  errors when abbritary quoting charecters are handed over, instead
23:45 < CIA-9>  pass the filename of the error to quote to the echo_errorquote
23:45 < CIA-9>  function that can do output specific parsing (that is prettifying
23:45 < CIA-9>  on the screen, whole file publishing for html or just pointing to
23:45 < rxr> jsaw: mind to test -^
23:45 < CIA-9>  the filename in a TTS)
23:46 < jsaw> svn up
23:47 < rxr> jsaw: but I am off to bed for a 2nd time ...
23:47 < rxr> so you have to fix issues yourself I fear
23:47 < jsaw> :p
23:49 < jsaw> I let it run now... and see tomorrow, need to relax too
23:49 < rxr> have a good night
23:49 < rxr> greetings to the family ...
23:49 < jsaw> thanks, and back to the girl
23:49 < jsaw> cu rxr 
23:52 < nzg> how long does an ooo build  take approximately?
23:53 < nzg> (machine is P4 / 1G Ram)
23:54 < sepp> around 6h
23:54 < nzg> hm, then i see the light at the end of the tunnel
23:55 < nzg> its running since 18:30 here...
23:55 < sepp> and it is increadible dog slow
23:56 < sepp> i mean runtime ...
23:56 < nzg> read unusable?
23:58 < nzg> maybe its meant to give M$-Office feeling ;-)
23:59 < sepp> iirc ms office is not that slow
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