T2 IRC Log: 2005-12-29

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--- Log opened Thu Dec 29 00:00:17 2005
00:01 < karasz> == 12/29/05 01:54:30 =[5]=> Aborted building package font-bh-type1.
00:01 < karasz> !> Creation of binary package isn't possible, because the package was not
00:01 < karasz> !> built successfully in (at least) the current stage.
00:01 < karasz> nah, who cares about bitstream-type1...
00:01 < karasz> good that cyrilic builds ;)
00:05 < karasz> font-xfree86-type1 failed
00:07 < karasz> i guess type1 is broke, i couldn't even emerge it the other day...
00:08 * mnemoc moving home...
00:09 < karasz> cu mnemoc
00:09 < karasz> hmmm workin late?
00:09 < mnemoc> [20:09:14] * mnemoc moving home...
00:10 < mnemoc> i work from 9:00 to 20:00 from monday to saterday
00:10 < karasz> yup
00:10 < mnemoc> saturday
00:10 < karasz> 11 hours...
00:10 < mnemoc> 2 for lunch in the middle, for T2 ,-)
00:10 < karasz> ohm
00:11 < karasz> still 9 hours...
00:11 < karasz> are you selfemployed?
00:14 < karasz> cause if not grab a bow and shoot your boss
00:17 < karasz> i never understood hours in IT jobs...
00:17 < Baldzius> why bow? :) i'd prefer railgun or rocketlauncher :)
00:18 < karasz> i guess thoose are illegal in chile
00:18 < Baldzius> heh could be :)
00:18 < karasz> i never understood workin' hours in IT jobs
00:18 < karasz> FYI are illegal in Lithuania too...
00:19 < karasz> so be carefull Baldzius
00:19 < Baldzius> what's that FYI? FBI? :)
00:19 < karasz> FYI? for your information
00:20 < Baldzius> oh acr, just don't know them a lot :)
00:20 * karasz wondering why a shotgun is illegal here and a long-bow is not....
00:21 < Baldzius> some time ago i was always confused by this -> iirc
00:21 < Baldzius> i thougth it's irc server deamon :)
00:21 < karasz> i was confused by ircii but that's another story
00:22 < Baldzius> hm i've heard that , somewhere ... can't rememeber now , i hate acr :)
00:23 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-255-73.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2
00:25 < karasz> ircii is an irc client
00:25 < karasz> in fact it is the client :)
00:26 < rxr> re
00:27 < karasz> re rxr
00:27 < karasz> hunting succesfull?
00:27 [Users #t2]
00:27 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-2 ] [ karasz] [ MisterN] [ ojh] [ sparc-kly_]
00:27 [ _Ragnar_] [ demian] [ keinek] [ mnemoc ] [ owl] [ Stelz ]
00:27 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ rxr] [ valentin ]
00:27 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
00:28 * rxr wondering if it was the halfly working or really useful system currently on the ppc64 ...
00:28 < rxr> damn - too much changing stuff here ...
00:28 < rxr> # cat /etc/VERSION
00:28 < rxr> T2 SDE 2.2.0-alpha (2005/12/20)
00:28 < rxr> and it might already be outdated ... :-(((
00:29 < karasz> T2 SDE 2.2.0-alpha (2005/12/24)
00:29 < karasz> yup you are 4 days behind...
00:31 < rxr> I think I better start a new HEAD ppc64 build and install that result later on
00:31 < rxr> can only got better and the box compiles stuff lightning fast ;-)
00:36 < karasz> rxr did i got your e-mail corectly?
00:40 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. I soon remove linux24 from trunk
00:40 < rxr> right now I make changes for latest linux26 on powerpc that are incompatible with former linux26 - not to speak about linux24
00:40 < rxr> this is also why I added linux26mm
00:42 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFEB11.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
00:43 < rxr> hi nzg
00:44 < nzg> moin rxr
00:49 < nzg> i need to send my dad on holidays
00:50 < karasz> updating cache ./config.cache
00:50 < karasz> !> loading cache ./config.cache within ltconfig
00:50 < karasz> !> ltconfig: you must specify a host type if you use `--no- ..
00:50 < karasz> !> Try `ltconfig --help' for more information.
00:50 < karasz> !> configure: error: libtool configure failed
00:50 < karasz> !> Due to previous errors, no 5-glib12.log file!
00:50 < nzg> he won't let my computer run throughout entire nights, neither with nor without me in front of it
00:53 -!- axion [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2
00:53 < karasz> recode failed with same error
00:53 < axion> hi
00:53 < karasz> hi axion
00:54 < axion> i have a dumb question...in the config menu, which option do i pick for i686 optimization? i dont want any subarch optimizing
00:56 < karasz> Pentium 2 i guess
00:56 < axion> i want to use -mcpu, not -march
00:56 < rxr> karasz: those are due to me removing too inteligen but time wasting code
00:57 * karasz blame it on rxr
00:57 < rxr> karasz: those packages should easily be fixed with [F] AUTOMAKE-QUIRK
00:57 < karasz> so?
00:57 < karasz> ohum
00:57 < rxr> those files have outdated config.guess and such architectuer match files
00:57 < rxr> this sucks
00:57 < mnemoc> rehi
00:57 < karasz> i guess i'll wait to break again or finish before that, no?
00:57 < rxr> this is auto* crappyness ...
00:58 < karasz> rehi mnemoc
00:58 < mnemoc> rxr: great to know you will finally remove it
00:58 < rxr> i686 is pentiumpro
00:58 < axion> i'll be building a distro for a athlon-tbird and a p4...so i dont want to optimize for a specific architecture
00:58 < axion> oh ok
00:58 < axion> thank you
00:59 < rxr> no problem
00:59 < rxr> maybe we should include generic i686 for peoples orientation there
00:59 < karasz> rxr i guess i'll wait to break again or finish, or should i control-c now?
01:00 < axion> well, i'll let you all know how epsilon works in a little bit :)
01:00 < rxr> karasz: one second
01:00 < rxr> .oO(we already know about some regressions ...)
01:01 < axion> is there a list?
01:01 < rxr> yes, via irc log ,=)
01:02 < axion> hehe
01:02 < rxr> most is fixed in trukn alreadyu
01:02 < rxr> if you built from source best checkout the SVN trunk
01:02 < axion> anything major? should i abort and get svn now?
01:02 < rxr> though some 3rd party linux kernel modules might still break :-(
01:02 < karasz> and linux24
01:03 < axion> hmm, i build a static kernel. not worried there
01:08 < CIA-2> rene * r14251 /trunk/target/install/init:
01:08 < CIA-2> * fixed floppy disk drive labeling in the rewritten 1st stage install
01:08 < CIA-2> loader
01:10 < rxr> ah - so
01:10 < rxr> finally the apple keyboard for the dual core box
01:10 < mnemoc> what about mips parts?
01:10 < rxr> my former two apple pro keyboard have all be carried away by evil people
01:10 * rxr looks to valentin and susan ...
01:10 < mnemoc> *G*
01:11 < rxr> mnemoc: same oops due segfaults ... - maybe it is rather kernel bug then ...
01:11 < rxr> but now I have a 2nd system board and CPU for exchange - not too bad for 20EUR
01:11 < rxr> mnemoc: any bets how long this keyboard will survive on my desk?
01:11 * rxr fears mnemoc is the next one needing one ...
01:12 < mnemoc> nah ,-)
01:13 < mnemoc> _my_ p3/450 has it's own keyboard
01:13 < rxr> we'll see once you see it ...^W^W have it under your hands
01:14 < mnemoc> :)
01:14 * rxr ordering the 4th of those just in case ...
01:15 < CIA-2> rene * r14252 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/ (xorg.conf.example xorg.conf.template):
01:15 < CIA-2> * fixed rgb "database" .txt file location in xorg.conf templates for
01:15 < CIA-2> the new (and saner) location in .../share (X11R7)
01:17 < rxr> so - bed soon
01:17 < karasz> rxr i made that by hand ;)
01:17 < rxr> and tomorrow I should build a new kernel for the dual core ppc64 - if benh would now I still run the first revision of the fan control patch we would go crazzy
01:18 < rxr> karasz: the rgb ?
01:18 < karasz> yup
01:18 < rxr> karasz: always report - saves everyones time .-)
01:18 < mnemoc> karasz: if you fix, send the patch
01:18 < mnemoc> yep
01:18 < rxr> karasz: have you built glib12 with [F] AUTOMAKE-QUIRK already ?
01:18 < karasz> i changed the path in the xorg.conf file
01:18 < karasz> leaved the rgb where it was
01:19 < karasz> nope
01:19 < rxr> karasz: as a rule of thumb: such stuff is considered a defect and should be fixed ASAP ;-)
01:19 < karasz> build is stil runnin'
01:19 < rxr> can you test glib12 and gtk+12 with that flag for me ?
01:19 < karasz> i will report from now on
01:19 < karasz> if you wait a little
01:19 < karasz> i will ctrl -c
01:20 < rxr> karasz: yep - report each bug - if noone is around here oben one in our issue tracker: http://trac.t2-project.org
01:20 < rxr> karasz: would be nice to know while I toothbrush
01:20 < karasz> i new trac
01:20 < karasz> just i didn't used it lately
01:20 < rxr> mnemoc: we need mail notifications from trac ... :-(
01:22 < mnemoc> trac? what's that?
01:22 < karasz> i cannot find glib12
01:22 < karasz> :(
01:22 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
01:22 < karasz> where should be the .desc?
01:22 < rxr> karasz: gnome14
01:23 < rxr> karasz: ./misc/archive/Find.sh is your friend
01:23 < karasz> i cannot find it because i am tired not because it is not there...
01:23 < mnemoc> karasz: vi package/*/glib12/*.desc
01:23 < rxr> k# ./misc/archive/Find.sh glib12
01:23 < rxr> Searching for matching package names ...
01:23 < rxr> gnome14/glib12
01:24 < karasz> found it
01:24 < rxr> ,-)
01:24 < karasz> relaunched Build
01:24 < rxr> karasz: you do not have write access?
01:24 < karasz> where?
01:24 < rxr> to t2 SVN I mean ..
01:24 < karasz> no
01:25 < karasz> i do not deserve that
01:25 < rxr> think sooner than later should hand it to you
01:25 < karasz> it is better this way
01:25 < karasz> rxr let me ask for it
01:25 < karasz> when i will feel ready
01:25 < rxr> ok
01:25 < MisterN> n8
01:26 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CDE26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Wieso gibt es keine guten Quitmessages? Jaja, diese ist auch doof."]
01:26 < karasz> before build i should have done smth?
01:26 < karasz> after changing .descs?
01:26 < mnemoc> run Config
01:26 < karasz> wirh -oldconfig?
01:26 < mnemoc> yes
01:27 < rxr> for that Flag ?
01:27 < rxr> just edit should have done
01:27 < rxr> it still fails ?
01:28 < karasz> now i am buildin python and i do not know why...
01:28 < rxr> karasz: ah
01:28 < rxr> karasz: you need to rm the err file
01:28 < karasz> oki
01:28 < mnemoc> the flags are read from config/$config/packages, which is generated by Config
01:29 < rxr> by default after stage 4 errors are not considered too harmful and the build id not stopped nor packages rebuld on error
01:29 < mnemoc> in some cases Build-Target magicly detects the changes and force a Config -oldconfig, but not always
01:29 < rxr> mnemoc: magically as in file mod time
01:29 < mnemoc> rxr: yep, t2 magic ,-)
01:30 < rxr> karasz: you can keep the build going and rm the err file from somewhere else
01:30 < rxr> t2 build will detect that and build glib12 then, e.g. after python finished
01:30 * rxr bed now
01:30 < rxr> n8 all - have fun
01:30 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
01:30 < karasz> now buildin glib12
01:30 < karasz> n8 rxr
01:31 < karasz> glib12 built fine
01:32 < karasz> i will soon begin sleep cycle too
01:33 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEFC79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
01:33 * karasz pushes sleep cycle a little more ;)
01:33 < karasz> hi new kid on the block ;)
01:33 < morfoh> re hi :)
01:33 < axion> why does the minimal target install dietlibc when i selected glibc?
01:34 < morfoh> axion: I guess because it's a dependency for some other package(s)
01:34 < karasz> morfoh, frappr kindly anounced me that i have a new friend in the form of a rabbit
01:34 < karasz> ;)
01:35 < morfoh> karasz: what do you have against my outlook ? :p
01:35 < karasz> outlook? ;D
01:36 < morfoh> karasz: ok ... the ears are a bit long ... but ... :D
01:36 < karasz> yeah i will have handles then... :)))
01:36 < axion> also it installs a few different shells and other packages not needed...i need to read up on making a new target. minimal is misleading
01:37 < morfoh> axion: yes ... you're welcome to contribute a new target ;)
01:37 < morfoh> axion: anyway I think he minimal target wasn't touched for some time
01:38 < axion> been using lfs for years...new to this :)
01:38 < karasz> rabbit eat the t
01:38 < axion> but i like it a lot
01:38 < morfoh> axion: good to hear ;)
01:39 < mnemoc> axion: we have t2-powered.net for t2 powered projects, including svn
01:39 < karasz> axion beware T2 should be listed as illegal drug
01:39 < karasz> it is addictive
01:39 < axion> mnemoc: thanks, bookmarked it
01:39 < morfoh> axion: I think t2 will help you to refine your "lfs-target"
01:40 < morfoh> re hi master mnemoc :p
01:40 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
01:40 < morfoh> hi mnemoc
01:41 < axion> yeah...i'm going to attempt to create a target for a more minimal system like LFS
01:41 < mnemoc> if you need svn space, ask rxr for it
01:41 < mnemoc> we haven't automatized t2-powered yet
01:42 < axion> ok, will do
01:43 < rxr> axion: minimal includes dietlibc for the initramfs
01:43 < rxr> we have some static linked mini user-space in it
01:44 < karasz> rxr back, glib12 built fine
01:44 < rxr> consisting of dietlibc, embutils, minised and disktype
01:44 < morfoh> oh! hi rxr :)
01:44 < rxr> karasz: read that
01:44 < rxr> hi morfoh
01:44 < karasz> why aren't you in bed by now?
01:44 < rxr> axion: minimal is minimal working t2 userland
01:44 < axion> ahh. i wouldnt want a few other uneeded stuff like cpio, ed, and a few others installed either
01:44 < morfoh> karasz: that was my question
01:44 < rxr> oh - and pdksh, statically linked, is also for the initrd magic
01:44 * karasz shuold really stop sending people to bed....
01:44 < rxr> beside that minimal is pretty minimal
01:45 < rxr> however defining your own even more minimal is just fine ,-)
01:45 < rxr> e.g. see how the build of certain stuff with dietlibc is forced in the generic target where the minimal is layed upp0no
01:45 < rxr> morfoh: thanks for the christmas greeting - I hope you had nice days too
01:45 < rxr> and I whish you go get good into the new year ,-)
01:46 < morfoh> rxr: yeah ... thanks ;)
01:46 < morfoh> rxr: are back in town ?
01:46 < morfoh> are you
01:46 < rxr> morfoh: yep - sice a few howers
01:46 < rxr> if I would not hate SMS soo much I would have simsed back ...
01:46 < morfoh> rxr: hehe ... good to hear :)
01:46 < mnemoc> rxr: cliff is also in town ,-)
01:46 < rxr> but anything slower than mosing is kinda avoided by me ...
01:46 * morfoh also hates SMS
01:47 < morfoh> but I had no internet connection there ;)
01:47 < rxr> mnemoc: fear so ,-)
01:47 < rxr> around the CCC it should be pretty easy ...
01:47 < morfoh> cliffi baby is spying out our head quarter ;)
01:47 < rxr> if I would have more time I would to see what rockers ae going to do there
01:48 < rxr> but most probably nothing serious beside pizza and coke trashing ... ,-)
01:48 < morfoh> rxr: where do they are ?
01:48 < mnemoc> drink?
01:48 < rxr> morfoh: CCC
01:48 < morfoh> rxr: I'm living 5min away from CCC ;)
01:48 < morfoh> rxr: so I can go there ... spying for t2 :p
01:48 < mnemoc> visit daja :)
01:49 < axion> rxr: i'd ask for some svn space to get started with, but i'm a cvs guy...never touched svn before so i don't know where to begin yet
01:49 < CIA-2> rene * r14253 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * marked glib12 gtk+12 and links AUTOMAKE-QUIRK
01:49 < rxr> axion: I can hand you svn space tomorrow
01:49 < morfoh> axion: svnbook.org is a good starting point
01:49 < rxr> axion: from a user view svn usage is pretty cvs, e.g. svn co, svn up, ...
01:49 < rxr> nothing much to learn
01:50 < rxr> exept you can svn mv, svn cp, ...
01:50 < axion> ok :)
01:50 < rxr> and that you should commit whole changesets that get a uniq revision and thus belong together
01:50 < rxr> so - /me really sleeping now, turion already waming the pillow
01:51 < axion> gnight
01:51 < rxr> I just wanted to flush the AUTOMAKE-QUIRK flags from the box
01:51 < morfoh> rxr: I will need some svn space too for the wrt54 target
01:51 < rxr> karasz: if you experience more x86_64 not present just add this new tag ,-)
01:51 < rxr> morfoh: no problem
01:51 < karasz> oki rxr
01:51 < rxr> I can setup a repo tomorrow on http://svn.exactcode.de
01:51 < karasz> libsigc++ fails
01:52 < karasz> i will look at it tommorow
01:52 < rxr> and we relocate it to t2-powered.org as soon as we set it up
01:52 < morfoh> rxr: oki ... sleep well ... cu tomorrow then ;)
01:52 < rxr> karasz: ack - cu all
01:52 < rxr> n8
01:52 < karasz> n8 rxr
02:00 < karasz> cu guys latter
02:00 * karasz is begining long due sleep cycle
02:14 < YeT2> hi
02:14 < axion> hi
02:15 < YeT2> mnemoc: which mkinitrd is usually executed by linux26.conf aka linux24.conf ?
02:15 < YeT2> the one in build/blah/sbin ??
02:16 < mnemoc> YeT2: there is a fix for mkinitrd on trunk, minute
02:16 < YeT2> probabbly I got the problem !
02:21 < YeT2> it seems that yuletide comes with a mkinitrd which has a faulty "copying modules..." aka depmod !
02:27 < mnemoc> YeT2: try http://pastebin.ca/raw/35113
02:37 < YeT2> :-)
02:37 < YeT2> :)
02:37 < mnemoc> applied?
02:37 < YeT2> yes ... and linux26 rescheduled
02:39 < YeT2> *gnn* finding files and then directing to /dev/null ... very original ! BTW : This was the reason I coludnt find any modules during installation of 2.1.0 ???
02:41 < mnemoc> during installation of 2.1.0 ???
02:42 < mnemoc> that bug was a wrong commit some days before 2.2.0-epsilon tag
02:44 < YeT2> when i tried to load modules from my installer iso for 2.1.0 NO modules (e.g. usb_storage) could be found ... initrd seemed to contain NOTHING ... checked on the shell
02:46 < mnemoc> modules on 2.1 installer are only available on stage 1, i.e. before selecting '2nd stage image'
02:47 < mnemoc> initrd does nothing on 2.1
02:48 < YeT2> hmmm ... would have been nice to see my usb-HD at installation time
02:49 < YeT2> i could only see IDE HDs
02:52 < YeT2> btw ... if everything goes fine : I'm planning to setup an SDE for mastering USB-Targets and Compact-flash targets/installations ...
02:53 < mnemoc> that is planned for 2.2
02:54 < YeT2> of course I have to add some init.d/script to a runlevel to remount a compact-flash or USB stick "readonly" and to generate a ramdisk for /tmp and partially /var
02:54 < YeT2> COOL ... any target already in development ?
02:56 < mnemoc> output formats are common to any target/build now
02:57 < mnemoc> new output formats will be added
02:57 < YeT2> great !
02:58 < YeT2> Q : since udev is the new standard : is /dev a pseudo filesystem or has it still to be readwrite on / ?
02:58 < mnemoc> initrd handles that
02:59 < YeT2> what about hotplug devices ?
02:59 < mnemoc> download 2.2.0-epsilon minimal iso and give it a try ,-)
03:00 < YeT2> kewl ... i will (as soon my first build is successful!)
03:00 < mnemoc> try the iso ,-)
03:00 < mnemoc> rene drop blod on his keyboard to get it
03:00 < mnemoc> blood
03:00 < YeT2> ok ... this is convincing ... i will immeiately !
03:01 < mnemoc> :)
03:03 < YeT2> ... ongoing ... Q: on which base (yuletide?) was it buildt ?
03:05 < mnemoc> rene's boxes
03:06 < mnemoc> T2 2.1++
03:07 < YeT2> hopefully in 2.2.0 final we have the functionality/packages to build such targets :)
03:08 < mnemoc> 2006 Q1
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03:09 < YeT2> exciting ! ... any help / testing / feedback needed ?
03:12 < YeT2> BIG BANG : 5-linux26 SUCCESSFUL !
03:13 < axion> hmmm, gcc compilation failed with 2.2 epsilon
03:19 < mnemoc> axion: paste the last ... 100? lines of the buildlog please
03:19 < mnemoc> axion: or publish (http) a regression report
03:21 < axion> sure...1 min
03:24 < axion> http://pastebin.com/482393
03:24 < axion> sorry for the bad formatting
03:26 < mnemoc> cannot find -lgcc_s
03:26 < mnemoc> uhm
03:26 < YeTyTwo> bye
03:27 < mnemoc> axion: are you using trunk:HEAD ?
03:28 < axion> no, using http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/t2-2.2.0-epsilon.tar.bz2
03:28 < mnemoc> if you can, please use svn.
03:29 < axion> alright
03:29 < mnemoc> on what stage was that?
03:29 < axion> i'm not sure...this is my first time building t2
03:30 < mnemoc> :)
03:30 < mnemoc> Build-Target output tells you
03:30 < mnemoc> something like [2] gcc
03:30 < mnemoc> or 2-gcc
03:31 < mnemoc> means stage 2, package gcc :)
03:31 < mnemoc> axion: what is your host os?
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03:32 < axion> i did that...seems to be resuming gcc...doesnt say which stage
03:32 < axion> host is LFS 6.1.1
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03:33 < mnemoc> paste your Build-Target output here
03:33 < mnemoc> the red line
03:34 < axion> i dont have a red line
03:34 < mnemoc> == 22:44:14 =[9]=> Building develop/clip [1.1.15-1 2.1-stable]. <--- pink ,-)
03:34 < axion> oh...magenta here
03:34 < axion> == 21:34:02 =[1]=> Building base/gcc [4.0.2 2.2.0-alpha].
03:35 < mnemoc> that can be translated as: at 22:44:14 package clip from repository develop at stage 9, version 1.1.15-1 over a T2 2.1-stable has started
03:35 < mnemoc> yes, magenta
03:35 < mnemoc> so 1-gcc
03:35 < axion> ah ok
03:37 < mnemoc> do you have libgcc_s.so on host?
03:37 < axion> yes
03:37 < mnemoc> i'll start a build of minimal/trunk now to see...
03:38 * mnemoc downloading....
03:39 < axion> ok, also for optimization type i picked speed, not size. but some stuff was compiling with -Os
03:39 < mnemoc> that shouldn't affect
03:39 < axion> i've had compile failures like crazy with -Os with LFS
03:39 < mnemoc> but on last benchmarks i saw, size is faster than speed :)
03:40 < axion> yes it is, but it fails too much on my PC
03:40 < axion> i use it when i can...everything else i use -O3
03:40 < mnemoc> i configured a default generic/minimal/livecd + XTRACE
03:40 < mnemoc> let see what i get
03:41 < mnemoc> but from trunk:HEAD, not yuletide tag
03:41 < axion> ok
03:44 < axion> removed yuletide...grabbing svn now
03:45 < mnemoc> save your download/ ,-)
03:46 < mnemoc> Download -alt-dir ../../another/location let you get hardlinks on download/, so save space
03:46 < axion> yeah...seems to be big. already at 150mb
03:46 < axion> ah there
03:46 < mnemoc> svn has lot of overhead
03:49 < mnemoc> # du -sh t2-trunk-pristine/
03:49 < mnemoc> 185M t2-trunk-pristine/
03:49 < axion> du -sh t2-trunk/
03:49 < axion> 128Mt2-trunk/
03:49 < axion> oops
03:49 < axion> 162 total
03:50 < axion> well thats compiling
03:51 < mnemoc> == 23:49:53 =[0]=> Building base/gcc [4.0.2 2.2.0-alpha].
03:51 < axion> you got a while yet :) i was over an hour into it on a 3ghz/1gb ram with tmpfs
03:53 < mnemoc> that's better than mine ,-)
03:53 < mnemoc> but sata
03:53 < axion> me too...just got a raptor
03:53 < mnemoc> :D
04:02 < axion> what is pristine?
04:03 < mnemoc> 'virgin'
04:03 < mnemoc> untouched
04:04 < mnemoc> without local changes
04:04 < axion> oh ok
04:04 < mnemoc> axion: where are you from?
04:05 < axion> new york
04:05 < mnemoc> :)
04:05 < mnemoc> http://www.frappr.com/t2
04:06 < axion> added me
04:06 < mnemoc> cool :)
04:06 < mnemoc> thanks
04:06 < mnemoc> too many europeans on that map
04:07 < axion> hehe i see
04:07 < mnemoc> we need to get people from this side of the world
04:07 < axion> where are you?
04:08 < mnemoc> chile
04:08 < axion> ah
04:08 < axion> cool
04:08 * Stelz is away: dropped to bed..
04:09 < Stelz> heh
04:09 < Stelz> 'night all
04:09 < Stelz> :)
04:09 * Stelz Date/Time is now [ Thu Dec 29 06:07:40 ]
04:09 < Stelz> oops
04:09 * Stelz dropped :)
04:09 < mnemoc> == 00:03:24 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [20051128 2.2.0-alpha].
04:09 < mnemoc> gn8 Stelz
04:10 < axion> night
04:13 < axion> The Chile mirror is going too slow...wish there was a USA mirror
04:14 < mnemoc> chilean mirror is a DSL line
04:15 < mnemoc> if you can provide a mirror at US, it would be great :)
04:15 < axion> somehow the script picked it when it got the highest ping
04:15 < mnemoc> it's not ping, it's throughput
04:15 < mnemoc> a 1M file
04:15 < axion> i'll see what i can do...ah ok
04:18 < axion> do i need svn to host a http:// svn mirror?
04:18 < axion> i have an account (non-root) on a 100mbps box that i could use
04:19 < axion> with just apache/ssh
04:19 < mnemoc> :D
04:19 < mnemoc> that's enough
04:19 < axion> but i cant install subversion
04:20 < mnemoc> you don't need subversion to host a mirror
04:20 < axion> ok
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04:44 < mnemoc> 8,8G t2-download/mirror/
04:46 < mnemoc> ok.... building is going, no info to start uploading yet... so... good night ,-) see you tomorrow morning
04:49 < axion> mnemoc: read query
04:50 < axion> oh ok..missed you
04:52 < mnemoc> i still here
04:53 < mnemoc> you need to be registered to send private messages :)
04:53 < mnemoc> registered and identified to nickserv
04:53 < axion> yeah yeah, i'm too lazy :p
04:53 < axion> doing now
04:53 < mnemoc> welcome to 'free'node
04:54 < axion> my nick expired for not being here so long
04:54 < mnemoc> :)
04:55 < axion> nope...someone stole it
04:56 < mnemoc> :(
04:57 < mnemoc> amery at geeks dot cl ?
04:57 < axion> ?
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04:58 < mnemoc> if you want to give me private info
04:58 < axion_> oh you didnt get it?
04:59 < mnemoc> i have get nothing on query from you
04:59 < axion_> now?
05:23 < mnemoc> ok.... upload in progress... time to sleep :)
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06:04 < axion_> i get the same error compiling gcc with yuletide and svn trunk :(
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11:15 < mipe> hmm, libtool is broken on trunk
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11:46 < rxr_> re
11:52 < mtr> moin rxr_
11:52 < rxr_> mipe: are you sure ?
11:52 < rxr_> moin mipe
11:52 < rxr_> moin mtr, even
12:15 < mipe> hi rxr,mtr
12:16 < mipe> rxr_: looks like it, or gcc. but i'm pretty sure its libtool. some lib dir problems. libstdc++ errors
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12:22 < rxr_> mipe: hm
12:22 < rxr_> mipe: in pcre ?
12:22 < rxr_> karaz saw s.th. like that
12:23 < rxr_> then it is most probably due to libtool update :-((
12:23 < rxr_> load average: 6.25, 5.98, 4.46
12:23 < rxr_> `- mnemoc dual core building 2.1 powerpc* ISOs ...
12:24 * rxr_ breakfast
12:49 < karasz> moin everyone
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13:04 < valentin> moin
13:05 < karasz> hello valentin
13:05 < valentin> hi karasz
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13:10 < rxr_> re
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13:10 < rxr> moin karasz
13:10 < karasz> hello rxr
13:10 < rxr> hi valentin
13:11 < karasz> rxr nice and shini just like mnemoc likes it : http://www.x5.ro/regression/regressions.html
13:11 < rxr> karasz: maybe pcre breakage is due to libtool update
13:11 < rxr> karasz: I have no gui browser around - I take a look as soon as one is handy
13:11 < karasz> a lot of breaks are due to libs misunderstanding
13:11 < rxr> valentin: any idea when you start traveling 'round?
13:12 < rxr> karasz: need to get some browser onto this new ppc64 workstation
13:12 < rxr> I do not love links that much to bother viewing the page with it
14:14 < mipe> rxr: not just pcre, lots of packages fail due to trying to link against 32bit when it should do 64bit
14:17 < mipe> btw. could someone provide webspace for regression logs?
14:17 < karasz> mipe Entropy has a problem
14:18 < karasz> it needs evfs but thjat is disabled by default
14:19 < mipe> i have 102 broken packages on trunk desktop, most of them are due to wrong lib linking
14:21 < mipe> karasz: you may need to enable it by X evfs from config
14:23 < karasz> i know that
14:23 < mtr_> karasz, mipe: do not care about evfs and entropy, it is highly unstable, you should rather make entropy otional
14:23 < karasz> but someone should do smth about it
14:23 < mtr_> optional*
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14:36 < rxr> mipe: I could provide webspace
14:37 < mnemoc> moin!
14:37 < rxr> moin mnemoc
14:37 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.1.1 (tag) or branch?
14:37 < mnemoc> moin rxr!
14:37 < karasz> moin mnemoc
14:37 < rxr> define 2.1.1 branch
14:38 < mnemoc> rxr: are you using the tag or the branch for the build?
14:38 < rxr> in fact I use the branch
14:38 < mnemoc> :(
14:38 < rxr> why ?
14:39 < mnemoc> they have different sdever, so different /etc/VERSION, etc... which produce troubles on stuff like 'sam' which detects the running version
14:40 < rxr> it fails early anyway
14:40 < rxr> if it makes you happy I can switch to the tag
14:40 < mnemoc> *G*
14:40 < karasz> mnemoc, i posted a regresion the way you like it :)
14:41 < mnemoc> karasz: it just a way to not need to ask you again and again for files :)
14:41 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/regression/regressions.html
14:41 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, http://axion.yi.org/t2/ <--- mirror candidate... but i need about 4 day to finish uploading files :(
14:41 < karasz> yes that is right with eer.txt included
14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: did you see karasz' ?
14:42 < karasz> not yet
14:42 < rxr> mnemoc: what upload files do you mean?
14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: source tarballs
14:43 < mnemoc> rxr: a mirror at 100mbps on USA is good
14:43 < rxr> mnemoc: did he already said to like to mirror the sources ?
14:43 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm uploading seen 10 hours ago to his box :)
14:43 < mnemoc> since*
14:44 < rxr> mnemoc: I would rather see one source for mirroring
14:44 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.1.1 desktop and minimal for p4 finish uploading to gsmp
14:44 < rxr> can we work together in some way to unify our two seeds ?
14:44 < mnemoc> rxr: sure
14:45 < rxr> mnemoc: my plan is to seed at least two more mirros in different locations here in berlin the next month
14:45 < rxr> independed boxes, not at evil, controlling unis ..
14:45 < mnemoc> that would be great
14:46 < karasz> entropy marked O
14:46 < rxr> mnemoc: are you sure the url you have above is permanent?
14:46 < rxr> or if t2 does not fill his needs be gone in some days ?
14:46 < rxr> ^W weeks ?
14:46 < mnemoc> rxr: good question
14:47 < rxr> ok - let's wait then with listing it in the cgi multiplexer, or should I add it now ?
14:47 < rxr> mnemoc: so just let's work hard to make him a happy t2 users ...
14:47 < rxr> what is he doing with t2 ?
14:48 < mnemoc> LFS user trying to make his own distributable distribution
14:48 < rxr> ah
14:48 < mnemoc> and i'll not stop him refusing to upload files to his 'mirror'
14:49 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. dual core box now has fan control #2 - that is more temperature sensors online and fans feed with signals ...
14:49 < mnemoc> rsync -aH limited to 20kbps anyway
14:49 < rxr> e.g. I know have a temperature data point of the HD, chipset and what was the other thing ...
14:49 < rxr> well - atl least many ...
14:49 < mnemoc> rxr: by benh or bash? ,-)
14:49 < rxr> from our IBM coding slaves ...
14:50 < mnemoc> :D
14:50 < rxr> backside-fan 1100
14:50 < rxr> cpu-front-fan-0 485
14:50 < rxr> cpu-front-fan-1 485
14:50 < rxr> cpu-rear-fan-0 500
14:50 < rxr> cpu-rear-fan-1 500
14:50 < rxr> drive-bay-fan 1000
14:50 < rxr> slots-fan 1560
14:50 < rxr> cpu-temp-0 55.234
14:50 < rxr> cpu-temp-1 54.031
14:50 < rxr> hd-temp 25.500
14:50 < rxr> u4-temp 48.000
14:50 < mnemoc> 7 fans??!
14:50 < rxr> the old agnig, to be shut down IBM RS6k is way loauder ...
14:50 < mipe> what box is that?
14:51 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - s.th. like that - the 2 CPU boxes even have a water pump ...
14:51 < rxr> mnemoc: the box is nearly noiseless ... 7 fans (or so) at very low speed
14:51 < rxr> mipe: dual core Apple box ...
14:51 < rxr> mipe: one cpu, two cores, 1.5GB RAM and the like
14:52 < rxr> mipe: but not the expensive 2 cpu thus quad core ...
14:52 < rxr> builds glibc in 20 minutes or so IIRC
14:52 < mipe> nice
14:52 < rxr> and it is noisless whith 100% load building t2 ... due to so many slowly rotating fans ...
14:54 < rxr> mnemoc: something is wrong building 2.1 on my trunk ppc box
14:54 < rxr> strange erros compiling 1-glibc ...
14:54 < rxr> parse errors in header I do not yet understand why they happen
14:54 < rxr> the box builds trunk just fine
14:54 < karasz> giys any ideea why all type1 fonts fail to build?
14:55 < karasz> i do not even see an error there
14:55 < rxr> karasz: what is the tail of the .err log ?
14:55 < mnemoc> rxr: even rebuilding?
14:55 < rxr> mnemoc: even running eval $MAKE $makeopt in the debug env
14:55 < mnemoc> outch
14:55 < rxr> err 0-gcc this is even
14:55 < mnemoc> do your fixes on the tag and i merge the back
14:55 < mnemoc> oh
14:56 < rxr> mnemoc: it might be rather something to new on the box or so
14:56 < mnemoc> them back*
14:56 < rxr> doubt that is a 2.1 regression or so
14:56 < karasz> i guess that this is the relevant part:
14:56 < karasz> /usr/X11/bin/fc-cache /usr/X11R7/lib64/X11/fonts/Type1
14:56 < karasz> Fontconfig error: "local.conf", line 1: not well-formed (invalid token)
14:56 < rxr> karasz: ouh
14:56 < rxr> karasz: yeah - someone injected a copyright update and the local.conf was interpreted as shell script rather than xml file
14:57 < mnemoc> oops
14:58 < mnemoc> was it me?
14:58 < CIA-2> rene * r14254 /trunk/package/xorg/fontconfig/ (fontconfig.conf fonts-local fonts-local.conf):
14:58 < CIA-2> * removed syntax error copyright note from fontconfig/fonts-local.conf
14:58 < CIA-2> and renamed it so it is not automatically injected again
14:58 < rxr> mnemoc: have not tracked the log
14:58 < mnemoc> rxr: can we .xml xml files on $confdir ? so Create-CopyPatch can be aware?
14:58 < rxr> mnemoc: and add a xml copyright mode ?
14:58 < rxr> it is fine with me if that file does not get a copright anyway
14:59 < rxr> let me check
14:59 < rxr> IIRC it is obsolete anyway ...
14:59 < mnemoc> rxr: we could skip .xml files
14:59 < mnemoc> rxr: as we skip .cache
14:59 < rxr> I renamed without ext
14:59 < rxr> should be ignore then IIRC
14:59 < mnemoc> .xml would be ignored too
14:59 < rxr> well welformed xml comments should be accepted by any xml parser, no ?
15:00 < rxr> karasz: can you retry with a rebuild fontconfig package ?
15:00 < karasz> should I svn something?
15:00 < mnemoc> yes
15:00 < karasz> or what?
15:00 < mnemoc> inside a CDATA[] block i guess
15:00 < mnemoc> karasz: svn up
15:01 < rxr> karasz: or just svn up package/xorg/fontconfig
15:01 < rxr> but svn up is usually as fine as well to get all latest fixes ;-)
15:01 < karasz> svn up http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/ ?
15:02 < karasz> svn up http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/ even ?
15:02 < rxr> karasz: svn up in your checkout
15:02 < rxr> svn knows the right url due to .svn meta-data
15:04 < karasz> done
15:04 < karasz> how do i instruct Build to rebuild fontconfig?
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15:05 < Baldzius> moin
15:05 < karasz> moin Baldzius
15:06 < karasz> should i rm the fontconfig.log?
15:06 < Baldzius> hi karasz
15:06 < rxr> karasz: yes
15:10 < karasz> fontconfig built ok
15:10 < rxr> and the fonts ?
15:12 < karasz> not yet
15:12 < karasz> buildin ladspa libdv...
15:12 < karasz> libraw1394
15:12 < karasz> gpgme
15:12 < karasz> did i missed smth?
15:12 < rxr> karasz: rm the font .err that you would like to see gone ?
15:12 < karasz> i made an -oldconfig after svn up
15:12 < karasz> oki
15:12 < rxr> karasz: by default t2 does not rebuild .err automatically starting at stage 5
15:13 < rxr> if you want to have a .err package rebuilt, you need to rm the .err
15:13 < rxr> or raise the fail and auto rebuild to stage higher
15:13 < rxr> but then it would stop at every error
15:13 < rxr> or enable the rebuidl all err in the config
15:13 < rxr> both not that recommended to non-core people doing builds
15:13 < rxr> I think
15:15 < karasz> hmm nope
15:15 < karasz> fonts do not build...
15:15 < rxr> what error now ?
15:15 < karasz> sec
15:15 < rxr> I think I'll start a x86-64 build on y subnoti ...
15:16 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/VYWAmb57.html <--- if you will depend this much on host, you have to make System-Check much more complete :(
15:17 < mnemoc> but at least it built flawless
15:17 < mnemoc> minimal/pmmx
15:17 < rxr> mnemoc: who is that ?
15:18 < rxr> the mod* dependencies are "easy to avoid"
15:18 < rxr> I have this on my TODO already
15:18 < rxr> I want to not regenreate the whole initrd, but just append the live/install stuff
15:18 < rxr> saving more cpu cycles and this depends ...
15:18 < rxr> we could use our own stage - cpio
15:18 < karasz> no visible error
15:18 < karasz> just :Fond shared files with other packages:
15:18 < rxr> but cpio is needed for initrd tinkery
15:18 < rxr> karasz: which files ?
15:19 < mnemoc> rxr: that was on my builder
15:19 < rxr> you build t2 ?
15:20 < karasz> font-adobe-utopia-type1, font-bh-type1 bitstream-type1, ibm-type1, xfree86-type1
15:20 < rxr> mnemoc: trunk I mean ?
15:20 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, trunk:HEAD
15:20 < rxr> mnemoc: .oO
15:20 < rxr> mnemoc: well - do you need that urgently or did you just wanted to test ?
15:20 < mnemoc> rxr: just for fun
15:20 < mnemoc> rxr: to know what to answer people
15:21 < rxr> ok - I'll change initrd for livecd/install to just add files not regen the whole module mess the next days, 4fun
15:21 < rxr> mnemoc: when all goes well I'll also test minimal-ppc on valentin's iBook totay
15:21 < rxr> today
15:21 < karasz> Found shared files with other packages:
15:21 < karasz> var/cache/fontconfig/a38b073b3594017b5ef23885b256174e.cache-2: font-adobe-utopia-type1 font-bh-type1 font-bitstream-type1 font-ibm-type1 font-xfree86-type1
15:21 < rxr> and hack the ppc64 to boot on my dual core mac tomorrow or so - at least over the weekend
15:22 < rxr> but I have to do some usb kernel debugging for archivista and some uni stuff
15:22 < rxr> karasz: oh - ah - yes I saw this already as well
15:22 < mnemoc> 2.1.1 desktop for 750?
15:22 < rxr> let me medidate a bit how to fix that ...
15:22 < mnemoc> ok
15:22 < karasz> till then build is runnin'
15:22 < rxr> mnemoc: that is in theory building - but in practice stalled with /me investigating what's wrong with 0-gcc
15:23 < karasz> but i guess that lib stuff is more important than fonts
15:23 < rxr> karasz: yes
15:23 < rxr> karasz: I just prepare to start a desktop trunk build in my happer just to track them all
15:23 < karasz> if you want i can provide access...
15:24 < rxr> karasz: nah - enough to do already
15:24 < karasz> oki
15:24 < rxr> i have seen them and they are sort of known
15:24 < karasz> jus because you said that you want to build other stuff
15:25 < rxr> hm
15:25 < rxr> when I build with -E to see the preprocessing (in this failing 2.1 stuff) gcc does ICE ...
15:26 < rxr> ../../gcc/crtstuff.c:0: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
15:26 < rxr> Please submit a full bug report,
15:26 < rxr> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
15:26 < rxr> See http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions.
15:26 < rxr> in the middle of preprocessing
15:26 < karasz> ouch
15:27 < rxr> where "with preprocessed source" is kinda funny when it ICEs while preprocessing .-)
15:29 < mnemoc> mtr and nzg live in the same town :)
15:29 < rxr> nice to see the t2 map filling - and this does not even include people like lars or martin ... or someone from archivista
15:29 < rxr> not to mention other users that do not even have a clue they are using t2 ...
15:30 < mnemoc> i see the map as 't2 community map' and not necesarily 't2 users map'
15:30 < rxr> mnemoc: yesterday I again impressed my farther cloning his t2 workstation to a new hd withint minutes ... and then with T2 just recognizing and working flawlessly with his Digital Video Boardcasting satelite card that had hickups under windows just fine without any interaction
15:31 < mnemoc> :D
15:31 < rxr> that is hotplug++ load the kernel modules and the gui stuff (most useful thing is kaffeine of kde) works better than the comercial app shipped with the card for windoze
15:32 * mnemoc wants to migrate mnemosyne to t2 2.2 :p
15:32 < rxr> usability wise properly configured t2 targets really play in the top-front - especially with hal doing volume management
15:33 < rxr> the most annoying bug with trunk right now is, that hotplug++ has some timing issues or so with firmware loading
15:33 < rxr> sometimes it fails ...
15:33 < mnemoc> how will you solve hotplug/rocknet conflict ?
15:33 < rxr> but I have a quite reproduceable setup with the ipw2200 card on my notebook where I can debug that
15:33 < karasz> checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ./configure: line 7338: syntax error near unexpected token `)'
15:33 < karasz> ./configure: line 7338: ` OSF*)'
15:33 < rxr> mnemoc: what cnflict ?
15:34 < rxr> karasz: bummer
15:34 < karasz> that is true for tcl, tk, expect
15:34 < mnemoc> hotplug++ starts the interface, and init.d/rc3.d/network try to do it again
15:34 < rxr> ah rocknet
15:34 < mnemoc> so some stuff gets duplicated
15:34 < rxr> well - have to meditate about that
15:35 < rxr> right now I want 2.1 building on my ppc workstation and then the remaining stuff can come
15:35 < mnemoc> i would just skip NICs when init.d/system is hotplug's ancestor
15:35 < mnemoc> yes, i want ppc iso :p
15:36 < rxr> and valentin should arrive here in some minutes (at least I hope so) thus hackery on t2 will stall in some minutes
15:36 < mnemoc> go ppc go
15:36 < rxr> mnemoc: and I want t2 first dist supporting new dual core macs ...
15:36 < rxr> go PR go ,-)
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15:38 < axion> i'm getting command not found errors at the end of Build_Target
15:38 < rxr> axion: like modinfo and such ?
15:39 < axion> /home/axion/work/t2-trunk/target/install/build_initrd.sh: line 16: /home/axion/work/t2-trunk/misc/target/boot.in: No such file or directory
15:39 < axion> and a bunch more
15:39 < rxr> hm
15:39 < axion> with svn trunk
15:40 < CIA-2> rene * r14255 /trunk/misc/target/boot.in: * added forgottin misc/target/boot.in
15:40 < rxr> axion: ouhm - svn up and try again ;-)
15:40 < axion> i've tried on 2 hosts....lfs and t2-2.1 minimal
15:40 < rxr> sorry my fault
15:40 < axion> ok
15:41 < axion> how do i download what is new only?
15:43 < axion> oh svn up...duh
15:43 < rxr> either svn up that will get up
15:43 < rxr> and explicitly svn up misc/target/boot.in
15:43 < rxr> if you want avoid other fixes along the lines
15:43 < axion> too late
15:43 < rxr> other fixes along the lines are usually nice to have ,-)
15:44 < axion> seems to be just fontconfig since last night
15:44 < rxr> might be
15:44 < axion> oh btw
15:44 < axion> mnemoc is syncing his mirror with my 100mb line
15:44 < axion> i'm in USA
15:44 < rxr> read that, that is very nice
15:45 * Stelz is back (gone 11:36:16)
15:45 < rxr> axion: I hope you are become a long term t2 user and we have a long term US mirror then :-)
15:45 < rxr> s/are//
15:45 < rxr> mnemoc: looks I found a particularly nasty but I have to track on ppc* on 2.1 then ...
15:45 < rxr> bug
15:46 < axion> i will :)
15:46 < mnemoc> at least you find it ,-)
15:46 < mnemoc> hi axion
15:46 < axion> hey mnemoc
15:46 < karasz> hello axion
15:46 < rxr> mnemoc: i would prefer it 2.1 would just built as it did weeks ago
15:46 < rxr> mnemoc: but most probably due to newer gcc - not a 2.1 regression as it
15:47 < mnemoc> 0-* is highly host dependent
15:47 < axion> rxr: great, nice quick fix :)
15:48 < mnemoc> axion: t2 is agile :)
15:48 < axion> :)
15:48 < rxr> hm - that was a rocket just fired up here ...
15:49 < rxr> the usual people that can not wait for the new tears eve ...
15:50 < axion> where is the bootdisc target in 2.2?
15:50 < jsaw> re
15:51 < rxr> hi jsaw !
15:51 < jsaw> "new tears eve"
15:51 < jsaw> hehe
15:51 < jsaw> that's a pun...
15:51 < jsaw> hi rxr
15:52 < axion> quick start guide says to select boot/install/rescue target...not seeing that
15:52 < mipe> axion: there no seperate bootdisk target in 2.2 anymore
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15:52 < jsaw> we've got to branch the manual...
15:53 < axion> oh...what do i do next then?
15:53 < MisterN> hi
15:53 < mnemoc> wb jsaw, MisterN
15:53 < jsaw> hi mnemoc , MisterN
15:53 < MisterN> i bought a new hdd and think i will install t2 on it.
15:53 < jsaw> axion: there's an option to make the target bootable
15:53 < mipe> axion: you can choose install/livecd on config under target distribution section
15:53 < mnemoc> MisterN: you just think?
15:54 < MisterN> mnemoc: not if you say "don't do it fool" :)
15:54 < mnemoc> MisterN: i wont say that, and you will install t2 on it
15:55 < MisterN> ok. sure.
15:55 < MisterN> and i will also install freebsd on it.
15:55 < axion> ok thanks :)
15:55 < axion> bbl...installing my t2
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15:55 * mnemoc slaps MisterN
15:56 < MisterN> mnemoc: well i want to write a kqueue-based mainloop and to do so i need a *BSD
15:56 < mnemoc> ok, i forgive you. this time
15:57 < MisterN> oh thank you SO much
15:57 < MisterN> ;)
15:57 < mnemoc> :)
15:59 < mipe> damm its bit cold outside, about -15C
16:07 < rxr> mipe: -5C last night -2 right now - over here
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16:08 < axion> ok i found another problem
16:09 < axion> made an ISO and burned...during booting ISO i get a kernel panic
16:09 < axion> unable to mount root fs: unknown-block(3,4)
16:09 < LMJ> rxr 1°c here ;)
16:10 < LMJ> hello axion
16:10 < axion> hi
16:10 < LMJ> what is your filesystem for / ?
16:10 < axion> reiserfs
16:10 < karasz> in what package is located kde-config?
16:10 < axion> but im not accessing it yet...this is during the boot cd
16:10 < rxr> axion: what did you built?
16:10 < rxr> axion: what config / target that is
16:10 < axion> rxr: minimal target
16:10 < MisterN> shall i download t2 2.2.0-epsilon? or shall i download something older?
16:11 < rxr> axion: minimal target without modifications /
16:11 < rxr> ? even
16:11 < jsaw> cu later
16:11 < LMJ> do you see in the boot sequence if your t2 load reiserfs support ?
16:11 < rxr> cu jsaw
16:11 < axion> rxr: yes
16:12 < axion> LMJ: i dont get into the boot sequence...this is before stage2 is even loaded on the bootcd
16:17 < rxr> axion: hm - can not say from here - my minimal worked some days ago
16:17 < axion> hmm
16:18 < axion> 2.1 minimal works fine
16:18 < axion> i just really need udev
16:19 < rxr> axion: do you get a fallback shell to debug ?
16:19 < axion> it halts on kernel panic
16:19 < rxr> could you publish the ISO?
16:19 < rxr> I could take a look
16:19 < rxr> in some hours
16:20 < axion> sure...i'm only 384K here though
16:26 < axion> rxr it'll take an hour to send to the 100mbit web server
16:26 < rxr> axion: ok - /me busy right now anyway ...
16:26 < axion> http://axion.yi.org/t2_cd1.iso
16:26 < axion> it'll be there in an hour
16:26 < rxr> ok
16:26 < axion> i have to go
16:26 < rxr> cu axion
16:26 < axion> thanks for the help
16:26 < karasz> cu axion
16:27 < axion> bye
16:29 < karasz> in what package is located kde-config?
16:29 < rxr> kdelibs or so I think
16:30 < rxr> or arts
16:35 < karasz> arts it is
16:36 < karasz> but arts failed due to that lib incompatibility so all kde is dead
16:40 < rxr> karasz: can you try do revert the libtool update ?
16:40 < rxr> i post the svn command for that in a second
16:40 < karasz> i do that while build is runnin or i have to stop?
16:41 < rxr> keep running ... ,-)
16:43 < rxr> svn merge -r14229:14228
16:43 < rxr> svn merge -r14230:14229
16:43 < rxr> should do
16:43 < karasz> both or the last?
16:44 < rxr> yep
16:44 < rxr> or just
16:44 < karasz> ?
16:44 < rxr> svn merge -r14230:14228
16:44 < karasz> oki
16:45 < karasz> it gives me a help...
16:45 < rxr> then add a .
16:45 < rxr> svn merge -r14230:14228 .
16:45 < karasz> i must be in t2-trunk?
16:45 < mipe> what was done on libtool update? just version bump or so?
16:46 < karasz> or just in /usr/src
16:46 < mnemoc> on libtool no update is harmless
16:46 < _Ragnar_> O_O
16:46 < karasz> in /t2-trunk
16:46 < _Ragnar_> no vserver patch for recent kernel :/
16:46 < mnemoc> in your svn working copy
16:47 < karasz> root@karasz:/usr/src/t2-trunk# svn merge -r14230:14228 .
16:47 < mipe> so just version update?
16:47 < karasz> U package/base/libtool/libtool.desc
16:47 < karasz> A package/base/libtool/libtool.conf
16:47 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: do you need 2.1 or 2.0.1 is good?
16:47 < karasz> svn done
16:47 < karasz> now i mv 8.err?
16:47 < karasz> now i mv *.err?
16:47 < rxr> karasz: jep
16:47 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: 2.1.x is vserver perpetual development branch, 2.0.x is the stable one
16:47 < rxr> and rebuild libtool
16:47 < karasz> but build notice smth
16:48 < karasz> Found 1 new/updated files in source tree:
16:48 < karasz> -> Found new/updated file: package/base/libtool/libtool.desc
16:48 < karasz> but i guess i have to mv because it does not build libtool
16:49 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: any one atm:)
16:49 < Stelz> hello all
16:49 < Stelz> :)
16:49 < rxr> karasz: yep rm the libtool .log
16:49 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i mean, to change the version on trunk to 2.0 or keep it on 2.1 ad eternum
16:49 < karasz> and the err's too i guess...
16:50 < mnemoc> Create-ErrList -cfg foo -remove libtool is nicer
16:50 < _Ragnar_> O_O
16:50 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: why do we use 2.6.15-rc6
16:50 < _Ragnar_> ?
16:51 < rxr> because trunk is recent and there soon will be 2.6.15
16:51 < mnemoc> i have .11 on t2 2.1 ,-)
16:51 < _Ragnar_> ;p
16:51 < _Ragnar_> duh
16:51 < karasz> rxr which libtool.log?
16:51 < karasz> all of them?
16:51 < karasz> or just 5
16:51 < rxr> 5 should be enough
16:51 < rxr> but you can all of them
16:52 * _Ragnar_ think I'll wait until 2.2 and then switch there from trunk
16:52 < karasz> ok removed
16:52 < karasz> now?
16:52 < rxr> if you build is running it will build it next
16:55 < karasz> rxr, you are naughty
16:55 < _Ragnar_> just too much of a moving target :/
16:56 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: use the stable series ,-)
16:56 < karasz> libtool was version updated, right?
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16:56 < mnemoc> wb madtux
16:56 < madtux> thx ale.
16:57 < karasz> ok i reverted with svn but guess what tar.bz2 i have?
16:57 < karasz> so i must re run a -required i guess
16:58 < karasz> to get the old libtool source
16:58 < mipe> or just ./scripts/Download libtool
16:58 < mipe> is enough
16:59 < mnemoc> -required is expensive
16:59 < karasz> and i must rm all the libtool logs
16:59 < karasz> but i -required succesffuly yesterday
16:59 < karasz> so now i guess just libtool will come
16:59 < mnemoc> you just downdate it
16:59 < karasz> anyway i listened to mipe
17:00 < karasz> and only from original url...
17:01 < mipe> me checking libtool 1.5 branch for patches
17:03 < mipe> and there a lots of it
17:04 < CIA-2> rene * r14256 /trunk/package/base/cdrtools/cdrtools.conf: * fixed latest cdrtools change to actually install files again
17:05 < mnemoc> *g*
17:06 < rxr> yeah without submaster it would not have happened
17:06 < karasz> nah
17:07 < rxr> with it it would have lingered around 2 weeks before it would have been applied, 2 weeks to notice and other 2 weeks until the fix would have made it in .-)
17:07 < karasz> i built libtool 1.5.20 fine
17:07 < karasz> but the others fail with the same reason
17:07 < rxr> hm
17:07 < karasz> 1.5.20 is the version i want?
17:07 < rxr> yep
17:08 < rxr> karasz: I just start a build on my hammer, we have more test data soon
17:08 < karasz> maybe today will be a short one for me
17:09 < karasz> and by tomorrow maybe you will have some more info on that...
17:09 < MisterN> as i see, there is much to do for T2 :D
17:09 < karasz> MisterN, this is abt trunk on an alpha release, what did you expected?
17:10 < MisterN> karasz: umm no no
17:10 < MisterN> that's not what i mean
17:10 < karasz> rxr mnemoc i will publish another regression
17:11 < karasz> ok MisterN
17:11 < MisterN> there's much potential for being... more comfortable
17:11 < MisterN> but that's already in the roadmap:)
17:11 < MisterN> things like downloading and compiling in parallel:)
17:14 < karasz> rxr, mnemoc http://www.x5.ro/regression/regressions.html
17:16 < CIA-2> rene * r14257 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * fixed new boot code generation for powerpc*
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17:16 < valentin> re from rxrs house
17:17 < mnemoc> welcome valentin@rxr
17:17 < valentin> :)
17:18 < mnemoc> :)
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17:23 < karasz> i relaunched build
17:23 < karasz> what builds builds what not will be investigated tommorow
17:24 < karasz> cu guys tommorow
17:24 < rxr> hehe
18:18 < CIA-2> rene * r14258 /trunk/scripts/Config:
18:18 < CIA-2> * improved ugly architecture guess code to use just one uname -m with
18:18 < CIA-2> proper sed translations
18:22 < CIA-2> rene * r14259 /trunk/scripts/parse-config:
18:22 < CIA-2> * translate some platform names for the nocross stage (IIRC this also
18:22 < CIA-2> fixed something)
18:24 < mnemoc> something
18:26 < mipe> :)
18:27 < rxr> mnemoc: should I let it rotting until someone complains here about s.th. not working ?
18:28 < rxr> also I might suffer rm -rf or whatsoever ...
18:28 < rxr> and it is lieing around aready for some days - think over a week
18:28 < rxr> maybe it even fixes the ppc build stuff I just expereice on 2.1 ...
18:28 < rxr> that is I just start with that change included in 2.1 locally
18:29 < rxr> mnemoc: I want to introduce t2arch2uname and uname2t2arch helpers
18:29 < rxr> so we can remove the various hardcoded and often incomplete sed translations inside packages ...
18:31 < mnemoc> i was even thinking in an uname wrapper
18:32 < mnemoc> but the helpers names... yuck.. :p uname2arch arch2uname ?
18:33 < mnemoc> another cleanup i want to reduce hackery is architecture/*/ and target/*/ auto-registration
18:33 < mnemoc> and a depmod wrapper
18:38 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.frappr.com/?a=groupwidgets&gid=69370 <--- embedded frapper :D
18:39 < rxr> mnemoc: nice
18:39 < rxr> take a look later
18:39 * rxr soon off to collect susan at the railway station
18:39 < LMJ> A+ rxr
18:40 < rxr> A+ ?
18:41 < LMJ> means See you soon in French
18:41 < rxr> LMJ: ,-) ah - cu
18:41 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. those uname calls are explicit
18:41 < LMJ> "a plus tard" ;)
18:41 < rxr> and the some packages need uname a-like names for Makefiles ...
18:41 < rxr> so / cu
18:41 < mnemoc> rxr: cu :)
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19:07 < jsaw> sick :(
19:07 < jsaw> catched a cold...
19:08 < jsaw> and you ?
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19:09 < mnemoc> tired, but health is good :)
19:11 < jsaw> good!
19:12 < mnemoc> how is the family?
19:12 < mnemoc> the house?
19:14 < jsaw> we're all back after (insert 1000 aunts and uncles) and Steffi had two days off while I was at my mums house
19:15 < jsaw> in one word: _fine_
19:17 < mnemoc> the big family is yours or hers?
19:18 < jsaw> mine
19:18 < mnemoc> same case here
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19:29 < nzg> moin
19:29 < mnemoc> moin nzg
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19:46 < misl> hi folks
19:47 < Stelz> hey, misl
19:48 < misl> mnemoc: when doing 2.1 minimal build with various optimizations, should I do crossbuilds?
19:49 < misl> I did and most of them failed to build dietlibc :(
19:49 < mnemoc> crossbuild is only needed when the result executable can't run on your hardware
19:50 < misl> I am not sure if C3-2 would run on opteron boxes
19:51 < misl> but doing crossbuild shouldn't hurt should it?
19:56 < mnemoc> it will just stop after stage1
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20:14 < CIA-2> aldas * r14260 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.9 -> 2.2.10)
20:17 < mnemoc> rxr_: http://pastebin.ca/35183 ?
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20:18 < CIA-2> aldas * r14261 /trunk/package/graphic/libexif/ (gcc-4.0.patch libexif.desc):
20:18 < CIA-2> * updated libexif (0.6.12 -> 0.6.13)
20:18 < CIA-2> * removed libexif/gcc-4.0.patch - obsolete
20:22 < valentin> re
20:22 < mnemoc> wb valentin
20:22 < mnemoc> valentin: http://pastebin.ca/35183 ?
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20:28 < valentin> mnemoc: do you want me to evaluate that ?
20:28 < mnemoc> valentin: comments?
20:28 < mnemoc> suggestions?
20:30 < mnemoc> now i think i should keep the list an move the brain to architecture/share/preconfig.in
20:32 < axion> rxr: did you check the iso?
20:32 < valentin> there is no such thing as #description in architecture/*/config.in yet
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20:34 < mnemoc> valentin: i'm adding them
20:35 < valentin> what kind of content will go there ?
20:35 < axion> mnemoc: 570MB yeah! :)
20:35 < mnemoc> axion: 8.3G to go
20:35 < axion> hehe
20:35 < mnemoc> valentin: currently we have on each preconfig.in something like:
20:35 < mnemoc> CFGTEMP_ARCHLIST="$CFGTEMP_ARCHLIST x86 Intel_x86_and_compatible_PCs"
20:36 < mnemoc> i want to convert that into an _optional_ #Description: Intel x86 and compatible PCs on config.in
20:36 < mnemoc> and to do something similar for targets
20:36 < mnemoc> probably grabbing the first line of target/*/version.txt
20:37 < axion> i wish i could install the minimal 2.2 system i built
20:37 < valentin> mnemoc: well, why not ?
20:37 < valentin> axion: what is the problem ?
20:37 < mnemoc> valentin: so you like it?
20:37 < axion> the disc has a kernel panic while booting
20:37 < mnemoc> outch
20:37 < axion> unknown-block(3,4)
20:37 < mnemoc> what fs?
20:38 < axion> mnemoc: while booting the disc...not hd
20:38 < axion> so iso9660
20:39 < axion> me wonders if he can boot with the working 2.1 iso, and load 2nd stage from the unbootable iso
20:40 < mnemoc> 4i doubt
20:40 < mnemoc> -4
20:40 < axion> only one way to find out...
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20:42 < valentin> mnemoc: i like having more generated info stuff
20:42 < mnemoc> great, so i'll finish adding #Description: and commit
20:42 < mnemoc> i moved the magic into architecture/share/preconfig.in
20:43 < LMJ> moin mnemoc valentin
20:43 < mnemoc> moin yoda
20:43 < valentin> moin
20:43 * valentin lunch
20:43 < mnemoc> .oO
20:50 < LMJ> hello my little young padawan mnemoc ;)
20:57 < mnemoc> hello master joda
20:58 < madtux> 0_o
20:59 < MisterN> gsmp.tfh-berlin.de is _down_ if that's of interest
20:59 < MisterN> kinda impractical
21:00 < mnemoc> uhm
21:01 < MisterN> yes? i'm willing to listen
21:01 < mnemoc> it's not down for me
21:02 < mnemoc> hi madtux :)
21:02 < madtux> yar
21:02 < MisterN> PING gsmp.tfh-berlin.de (141.64.23.9) 56(84) bytes of data.
21:02 < MisterN> --- gsmp.tfh-berlin.de ping statistics ---
21:02 < MisterN> 34 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 33014ms
21:03 < mnemoc> ping say nothing
21:03 < mnemoc> i'm inside my ssh account there
21:04 < mnemoc> and http is also running
21:04 < MisterN> does the http-server support partial requests?
21:04 < MisterN> i really hope so
21:05 < mnemoc> Apache/2.0.53 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.53 OpenSSL/0.9.7 DAV/2 SVN/1.0.3 PHP/4.3.10 Server at gsmp.tfh-berlin.de Port 80
21:09 < YeT2> hi :)
21:10 < MisterN> mnemoc: this is "yes"?
21:11 < YeT2> YESSS ... (partially built desktop with IMPORTANT STUFF) ... and the tried out 2.2.0-epsilon minimal !
21:11 < mnemoc> YeT2: prefer svn
21:11 < YeT2> was sooo good ... I decided to install that (and throw away my experiments of last days !!)
21:12 < YeT2> I will go for svn ! ... BTW : first suggestion for improvement ::: ->
21:14 < YeT2> in 2.2.0. epsilon of sd of sg HDs works well BUT udev starts TOOO EARLY ... in /proc the devices are seen a bit late ... so udev does not create device-nodes in /dev
21:15 < YeT2> ONLY AFTER restarting udevstart on the console before starting stone !!
21:16 < YeT2> gentoo eg has integrated a "scandelay" parameter in their first initrc (stage2 script) before starting udev !
21:21 < CIA-2> aldas * r14263 /trunk/package/develop/mono/mono.desc: * updated mono (1.1.10 -> 1.1.12.1)
21:21 < CIA-2> amery * r14262 /trunk/architecture/ (33 files in 18 dirs): * improved architectures support by no longer needing architecture registration, every folder is considered an architecture and optionaly #Description: from config.in is used to set a friendlier name
21:21 < CIA-2> aldas * r14264 /trunk/package/network/lat/lat.desc: * updated lat (0.8 -> 0.8.1)
21:23 < mnemoc> Baldzius: please update mono friends accordingly
21:24 < Baldzius> mnemoc: it looks that there are nothing else to update but i'll take a closer look :)
21:33 < Baldzius> ok, i missed
21:33 < Baldzius> updating..
21:36 < mnemoc> :)
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21:41 < Baldzius> mnemoc: what keeps us moving bind from 9.2.x -> 9.3.x ?
21:41 < Stelz> hmm
21:41 < Baldzius> "bind"
21:41 < Stelz> mnemoc: what do u think about BSD? :)
21:42 < mnemoc> boring
21:42 < mnemoc> Baldzius: i guess nothing... bind stinks anyway
21:42 < Baldzius> hahaha :)
21:43 < mnemoc> Baldzius: 9.3 claims to be stable or devel?
21:43 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i understood as stable
21:44 < mnemoc> update it then
21:44 < Baldzius> BIND 9.3.2 is a maintenance release for BIND 9.3
21:44 < Baldzius> ^^ - from bind website
21:45 < mnemoc> we don't want a devel version of a broken-per se package
21:45 < mnemoc> but if they say it's stable, ISC lover may want to use it
21:45 < mnemoc> lovers*
21:45 < Stelz> mnemoc:
21:46 < Baldzius> i run it here, works like 9.2.x
21:46 < Stelz> where i can find tagged 2.1.1 ?
21:46 < mnemoc> svn
21:47 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/tags/2.1.1/
21:48 < mnemoc> Baldzius: basic services shall not be touched, the shall always work flawlessly. if a package which provides a core service need to be updated every two week, it's simply crap.
21:49 < Baldzius> i like crap :))))
21:50 < mnemoc> pdns is quite good and support bind zones, and without known vulneravilities in years.
21:50 < mnemoc> but i use djbdns anyway
21:50 < mnemoc> + some patches
21:50 < _Ragnar_> supporting bind zones is a '-' in my eyes
21:50 < _Ragnar_> unless there's an alternative
21:51 < mnemoc> pdns has multiple backends
21:51 < mnemoc> databases, ldap, etc...
21:51 < _Ragnar_> ah kewl
21:51 < mnemoc> bloat for me, but a good package
21:51 < Baldzius> well , i used bind for ages, from my first linux distro - RH6.2
21:52 < Baldzius> so i guees it's more like habit
21:52 < _Ragnar_> is it a new implementation, or is it based on bind/some other package?
21:52 < mnemoc> RH6.2 was my _last_ redhat :)
21:52 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: independent implementation
21:52 < Baldzius> mine - 7.3
21:52 < _Ragnar_> kewl
21:53 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: very good dns if you like big packages
21:53 < _Ragnar_> 8)
21:53 < _Ragnar_> I wonder if it's somehow based on a dns server that I wrote dnssec extensions to years ago
21:54 < mnemoc> ask them ,-)
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21:57 < _Ragnar_> *g*
21:57 < _Ragnar_> probably not
21:57 < mnemoc> ack
21:57 < _Ragnar_> was called 'dents'
22:00 < CIA-2> aldas * r14265 /trunk/package/develop/mono-doc/mono-doc.desc: * updated mono-doc (1.1.10 -> 1.1.11)
22:01 < CIA-2> aldas * r14266 /trunk/package/develop/mono-xsp/mono-xsp.desc: * updated mono-xsp (1.1.10 -> 1.1.10.1)
22:02 < CIA-2> aldas * r14267 /trunk/package/develop/mod_mono/mod_mono.desc: * updated mod_mono (1.1.10 -> 1.1.10.1)
22:02 * mnemoc wonders if he downdate gtksharp2
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22:05 < Baldzius> hm i see i updated to 2.5.92 and you downdated to 2.4.0
22:08 < Baldzius> interesting, where did i find that version?
22:10 < Baldzius> can't find now and i have a feeling that i saw it on mono web now there 2.4.0
22:10 < Baldzius> strange
22:10 < mnemoc> http://go-mono.com/sources/ ¡
22:10 < mnemoc> ?
22:11 < Baldzius> 2.4.0 there but where did i find 2.5.92
22:11 < mnemoc> it was there as 'devel' gtksharp2
22:11 < mnemoc> current is 2.7.soemthing
22:12 < Baldzius> g*, mess , never mind :)
22:12 < mnemoc> :)
22:12 < Baldzius> it's bill fault :)
22:13 < mnemoc> :)
22:17 < YeT2> mnemoc: packages of tagged 2.2.0-epsilon are "different" to t2-2.2.0-epsilon-minimal.iso ?!
22:17 < mnemoc> YeT2: i guess so, but rene maintain that tree
22:17 < YeT2> rxr?
22:17 < mnemoc> yes
22:20 < YeT2> rxr_: is there a reason why packages of tagged 2.2.0-epsilon are different in 2.2.0-epsilon-minimal.iso ?!
22:23 < YeT2> :) rxr_ : are you watching MIB or lara croft ? :)
22:25 < mnemoc> i think he is at susan's
22:25 < YeT2> :) :)
22:27 < YeT2> ok ... i'm setting up my new SDE starting from epsilon ... what is the usual way to update the package descriptions one by one (selective) ... via svn ?
22:27 < mnemoc> usually you use HEAD instead of tags
22:28 < mnemoc> on both trees
22:28 < YeT2> ?
22:29 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/
22:29 < mnemoc> and svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1 for 2.1
22:30 < YeT2> i have t2-trunk parallel to t2-2.2.0-epsilon !
22:30 < mnemoc> t2-trunk is better than t2-2.2.0-epsilon in this moment
22:31 < YeT2> hmm ... t2-trunk is not able to do a SIMPLE Config : core dump when generating lib
22:31 < mnemoc> try with -nobashmod
22:31 < mnemoc> what arch?
22:32 < mnemoc> i built a minimal/pmmx flawlessly some hours ago
22:34 < YeT2> well ... the trunk software is (not) running on installed t-2.2.0-epsilon-minimal on an Athlon XP ... BUT just now -nobashmod worked !
22:34 < YeT2> (Config)
22:35 < mnemoc> :)
22:36 < YeT2> strange : i can remember when i tried without -nobashmod ... there was one flag -nobashmod displayed on the screen before core-dumping
22:37 < mnemoc> $nobashmod
22:37 < YeT2> jepp
22:37 < mnemoc> which is empty if -nobashmod wasn't give
22:37 < mnemoc> that usually happen when local bash is static
22:38 < YeT2> sometimes i feel like a bloody rooky ! :) (seems like i have to work with t2 for a while ...)
22:39 < mnemoc> bloody rooky?
22:40 < YeT2> ... beginner or so ... (supposed not to be)
22:40 < mnemoc> :)
22:43 < YeT2> hmmm ... after checking my orthography ... I AM EVEN ROOKIE in ENGLISH WRITING
22:44 < mnemoc> rook·ie Audio pronunciation of "rookie" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rk)
22:44 < mnemoc> n.
22:44 < mnemoc> 1. Slang.
22:44 < mnemoc> 1. An untrained or inexperienced recruit, as in the army or police.
22:44 < mnemoc> 2. An inexperienced person; a novice.
22:44 < mnemoc> 2. Sports. A first-year player, especially in a professional sport.
22:44 < mnemoc> oops
22:46 < YeT2> :) at least my vocabulary is ok :)
22:46 < mnemoc> :)
22:52 < YeT2> mnemoc: the option enable multilib support : is this only for c-compiler or for different glibcs ? (for running 3rd party binaries)
22:54 < YeT2> (eg)
22:54 < mnemoc> uhm, not really sure
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22:54 < zod> good evening
22:54 < YeT2> hmm ... as i'm testing ... i will enable it :)
22:54 < YeT2> hi zod
22:54 < mnemoc> :)
22:58 < YeT2> uhm ... can't find ccache option !?
23:02 < mnemoc> you need to enable ccache to get the option
23:02 < mnemoc> ccache package i mean
23:02 < YeT2> *gn* on a minimal system ... Emerge ?
23:03 < mnemoc> Emerge also depends on a config/
23:03 < mnemoc> default by default
23:04 < YeT2> on a running system ... ? why config ... is there no package database under /var/adm ?
23:05 < mnemoc> config is more than a package selection
23:05 < YeT2> (there is on mine ...)
23:05 < YeT2> ?
23:05 < mnemoc> target determine most of the stuff
23:06 < mnemoc> config say which target you will use
23:06 < YeT2> i thought config is needed only for targets TO BE BUILT and not for the running system ... where i have to enable ccache !?
23:07 < mnemoc> config's package selection
23:07 < mnemoc> then you can enable ccache support on _that_ config
23:07 < mnemoc> and when you use it to emerge, ccache will be used
23:08 < YeT2> ok ... i will check
23:17 < MisterN> cu/bbl
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23:37 < mnemoc> rene will kill me....
23:37 * mnemoc looks around
23:41 < CIA-2> amery * r14268 /trunk/package/base/ (221 files in 4 dirs):
23:41 < CIA-2> * splitted sysfiles package because some of it's parts are updated (sysfiles is blacklisted), and deserve their own life.
23:41 < CIA-2> * introduced stone package for stone
23:41 < CIA-2> * introduced mkinitrd package for mkinitrd
23:41 < CIA-2> * introduced rocknet package for rocknet
23:42 * mnemoc hides
23:44 < CIA-2> amery * r14269 /trunk/target/router/ (pkgsel.sed pkgsel.sh): * adapted router target to newly splitted sysfiles package
23:44 < CIA-2> amery * r14270 /trunk/target/install/build_stage2.sh: * adapted install target to newly splitted sysfiles package
23:45 < CIA-2> amery * r14271 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/ (00-minimal.in benchmark.in): * adapted generic target to newly splitted sysfiles package
23:45 < CIA-2> amery * r14272 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: * adapted archivista target to newly splitted sysfiles package
23:47 < Baldzius> :))))))
23:47 < CIA-2> amery * r14273 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/data.txt: * removed etc/stone.d and lib/network from 00-dirtree, they belong to stone and rocknet packages
23:50 < CIA-2> amery * r14274 /trunk/package/base/stone/stone.conf: * decustmain-ized stone
23:52 < CIA-2> amery * r14275 /trunk/package/base/stone/ (14 files): * fixed copyright notes on stone
23:58 < CIA-2> amery * r14276 /trunk/package/base/rocknet/ (10 files): * decustmain-ized rocknet, and fixed copyright notes
23:58 < CIA-2> amery * r14277 /trunk/package/base/rocknet/rocknet.sh: * removed svn:executable from rocknet/rocknet.sh
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