T2 IRC Log: 2005-12-25
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--- Log opened Sun Dec 25 00:00:15 2005
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01:27 < keinek__> hi guys
01:27 < keinek__> merry christmas
01:27 < keinek__> :)
01:28 < keinek__> Epsilon is a great Released, now i play with the release
01:28 < keinek__> :)
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01:38 < ojh> OS kernels have a sense of humor - who knew?
01:39 < ojh> When requesting an outragously large mmaped file from mmap ot returns a NULL, something the man page states it would not do :-P
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03:37 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 wish you a Merry Christmas! | 2.1.1 TAGGED! - 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
03:37 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Dec 24 20:55:20 2005]
03:37 [Users #t2]
03:37 [@ChanServ] [ demian2006] [ LMJ ] [ owl ] [ sepp ]
03:37 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ]
03:37 [ CIA-20 ] [ keinek ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
03:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
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09:21 < mipe> rxr: why do we need x_dirtree postmake in xproto?
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12:33 < MisterN> hohoho
12:35 < Stelz> hi, MisterN :)
12:36 < MisterN> epsilon yeah
12:38 < CIA-20> mika * r14186 /trunk/package/kde/kdepim/sasl2.patch: * updated kdepim sasl2 patch to apply
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13:22 < mipe> hmm, df -h shows / mounted twice, as rootfs and /dev/sda4
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13:31 < misl> hi all
13:31 < misl> Merry X-mas to all of you :)
13:45 < VX> :)
13:45 < VX> hi, misl
13:45 < misl> hi VX
13:46 < VX> mx to u too :)
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13:46 < misl> thanx
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13:48 < Baldzius> moin & merry christmas :)
13:49 < misl> hi baldy, same to you too.
13:49 < Baldzius> hi misl :)
13:50 < misl> :)
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15:11 < CIA-20> msluis * r14187 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-150/sun-jre-150.desc: * updated sun-jre-150 (1.5.0_05 -> 1.5.0_06)
15:11 < CIA-20> msluis * r14188 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-150/sun-jdk-150.desc: * updated sun-jdk-150 (1.5.0_05 -> 1.5.0_06)
15:15 < CIA-20> msluis * r14189 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-150/ibm-jdk-150.desc:
15:15 < CIA-20> * updated ibm-jdk-150 (1.5.0 Beta -> 1.5.0 Stable)
15:15 < CIA-20> * NOTE: Downloads are named exactly the sams for Beta and Stable.
15:17 < CIA-20> msluis * r14190 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-150/ibm-jre-150.desc:
15:17 < CIA-20> * updated ibm-jre-150 (1.5.0 Beta -> 1.5.0 Stable)
15:17 < CIA-20> * NOTE: Downloads are named exactly the same for Beta and Stable.
15:17 < MisterN> heh commit typo :D
15:25 < misl> Yeah, I noticed to late :(
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15:42 < mipe> rxr:ping
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15:58 < mnemoc> moin!
16:00 < CIA-20> aldas * r14191 /trunk/package/security/rssh/rssh.desc: * updated rssh (2.2.3 -> 2.3.0)
16:00 < Stelz> :)
16:00 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc :)
16:00 * Stelz Date/Time is now [ Sun Dec 25 17:59:06 ]
16:00 < Stelz> moin, mnemoc :)
16:02 < CIA-20> aldas * r14192 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.3.13 -> 2.3.14)
16:04 < CIA-20> aldas * r14193 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * updated udev (077 -> 079)
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16:19 < menomc> :\
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16:27 < rxr_> re
16:27 < rxr_> dsl shortage over here
16:27 < rxr_> I tested reiser4 yesterday
16:27 < rxr_> blazingly fast
16:28 -!- You're now known as rxr
16:29 < mnemoc> :D
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16:32 < CIA-20> rene * r14194 /trunk/package/base/linux26mm/ (12 files): * added linux26mm (2.6.15-rc5-mm3)
16:32 < MisterN> rxr: any news on the status of @live?
16:32 < keinek_> merry christmas guy
16:33 < rxr> oehm - well
16:33 < rxr> rebuild release the next days ..
16:33 < mnemoc> wb keinek_! merry xmas
16:33 < mnemoc> happy xmas rxr
16:33 < keinek_> epsilon is amazing, now i play with it
16:33 < keinek_> :)
16:33 < keinek_> :)
16:33 < Stelz> :)
16:33 < mnemoc> happy xmas VX
16:34 < keinek_> but i have to download the new sources :(
16:34 < keinek_> :)
16:34 < rxr> hey keinek_
16:34 < Stelz> mnemoc: merry xmas :)
16:34 < rxr> keinek_: already booted / installed it ?
16:34 < keinek_> rxr, :)
16:34 < keinek_> no... only download src.
16:34 < mnemoc> :\
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16:34 < MisterN> rxr: epsilon@live will _not_ have eject-on-shutdown, i fear?
16:34 < mnemoc> keinek: try the iso
16:34 < rxr> mnemoc: :
16:34 < Stelz> :)
16:34 < keinek_> any problem?
16:34 < rxr> - lx_extraversion="${ev}${lx_extraversion}"
16:34 < rxr> + lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion}$ev"
16:34 < keinek_> work fine ?
16:35 < mnemoc> rxr: why in that order?
16:35 < rxr> MisterN: maybe it will have
16:35 < keinek_> rxr, yes what is that order?
16:35 < rxr> when do you want to fill the beginning?
16:35 < rxr> I wanted -rc5-mm3
16:35 < rxr> with the existing I get:
16:35 < rxr> -mm3-rc5 ....
16:35 < mnemoc> rxr: but on the next and the next patch?
16:36 < rxr> mnemoc: you prefix - I want postfix ...
16:36 < mnemoc> ok :)
16:36 < rxr> -rc5-mm3-xen3-vserver9
16:36 < rxr> not
16:36 < rxr> -vserver9-xen3-mm3-rc5
16:36 < mnemoc> true
16:36 < rxr> ok
16:36 < mnemoc> that -rc5 at the end looks weird
16:37 < keinek_> i was send yesterday a new package
16:37 < keinek_> "hacha"
16:37 < keinek_> is a gpl program compatible with hacha from windows.
16:37 < keinek_> archive util that split and join big files.
16:37 < mnemoc> another?
16:37 < keinek_> too much time i was looking for something like that in internet
16:38 < keinek_> yes another :P
16:38 < keinek_> the winusers split files ...
16:38 < keinek_> and i want to join it in my t2 box
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16:38 < keinek_> ;)
16:38 < mnemoc> will you fix your currently maintained packages before sending new ones?
16:38 < mnemoc> wb mipe
16:38 < CIA-20> rene * r14195 /trunk/package/base/ (linux24/README linux26/README): * removed unneeded linux2*/README files
16:38 < keinek_> sure...
16:38 < keinek_> :)
16:38 < keinek_> but this is special
16:39 < keinek_> i talk of it in red-handed radio.
16:41 < CIA-20> rene * r14196 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in:
16:41 < CIA-20> * fixed linux-conf.in version extraction to postfix and not prefix
16:41 < CIA-20> (-rc5-mm3 instead of -mm3-rc5)
16:42 < rxr> mnemoc: reiser4 is really amaying
16:42 < CIA-20> rene * r14197 /trunk/package/xorg/xproto/xproto.conf: * fixed xproto symlink creation
16:42 * mnemoc wonders how trustable
16:42 < rxr> mnemoc: svn st an my sub-notebook takes only 2 seconds or so instead of 20++
16:42 < mnemoc> oh
16:43 < rxr> mnemoc: and that even in a loop mounted files that was on an old reiser3 partition ...
16:43 < mnemoc> .oO
16:52 < rxr> mnemoc: how was the celebration yesterday ?
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17:01 < mnemoc> rxr: very nice... lot of family i haven't seen in... one year :p
17:01 < mnemoc> rxr: the girls pass a very good time, so i'm happy :)
17:01 < mnemoc> rxr: and yours?
17:04 < rxr> not that big here - but all fine
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17:04 [Users #t2]
17:04 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-20 ] [ keinek_] [ MisterN] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly]
17:04 [ _Ragnar_] [ demian2006] [ LMJ ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ]
17:04 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mipe ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_] [ valentin ]
17:04 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
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17:18 < CIA-20> rene * r14198 /trunk/package/xorg/ (270 files in 270 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated xorg to X11R7.0, including:
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated xlsfonts (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated xfd (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated fslsfonts (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated xkill (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated lbxproxy (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:21 < mipe> so rxr: why do we need x_dirtee postmake in xproto? i think thats the one causing some symlink problems
17:21 < rxr> I fixed the one problem in it
17:22 < rxr> we need the lib and include links for some packages to build
17:22 < rxr> and the font symlink so that fonts work since just building the modular package places them in the lib64 dir on thos architecture
17:36 < CIA-20> aldas * r14199 /trunk/package/kde/digikam/digikam.desc: * updated digikam (0.7.4 -> 0.8.0)
17:37 < CIA-20> aldas * r14200 /trunk/package/kde/digikamimageplugins/digikamimageplugins.desc: * updated digikamimageplugins (0.7.4 -> 0.8.0)
17:41 < rxr> mnemoc: what directory should I move the install and live target-post-processing stuff into _
17:41 < rxr> ?
17:42 < rxr> /postproc ?
17:42 < mnemoc> uhm....
17:43 < rxr> /image
17:43 < mnemoc> what's the life of that?
17:43 < rxr> mnemoc: I talk about the current arget/]
17:43 < rxr> target/{livecd,install} that are no targets
17:43 < rxr> (anymore)
17:43 < mnemoc> misc/target/image/* ?
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17:44 < rxr> I would not move it into misc
17:44 < rxr> misc should be misc fluff
17:44 < mnemoc> misc is not misc fluff
17:44 < mnemoc> misc/archive is misc fluff
17:44 < rxr> those target output postporcesing / image creation deserves some top-level near /target, no?
17:45 < mnemoc> misc/*/parse-config is only active on our buildchain
17:45 < mnemoc> is already*
17:45 < mnemoc> we have misc/share misc/output misc/tail ..... lot of 'important' stuff is there
17:47 < mnemoc> misc/target/ is the place for common stuff for all targets imo
17:47 < rxr> hm
17:47 < rxr> or I leave them where they are until some enlightenment
17:48 < mnemoc> if 'misc' string doesn't like you we could relocate them to a different string, but we can't invent a new root dir for each new feature
17:48 < mnemoc> we need a single place for all non-{config,build,arch,package,target} things
17:49 < mnemoc> 'sde' maybe
17:50 < mnemoc> but i doubt that is a good change for 2.2
17:52 < rxr> I leave it as it is right now and focus on getting per architecture/%/boot going
17:53 < mnemoc> ok
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17:57 < mnemoc> damn... there are lot of things i want to do :(
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18:09 < rxr> hi nzg
18:09 [Users #t2]
18:09 [@ChanServ] [ demian2006] [ mipe ] [ mtr] [ sepp_ ]
18:09 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ misl ] [ nzg] [ sparc-kly]
18:09 [ Baldzius] [ keinek_ ] [ MisterN] [ owl] [ Stelz ]
18:09 [ CIA-20 ] [ LMJ ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr] [ valentin ]
18:09 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal]
18:10 < nzg> moin rxr
18:12 < rxr> the next openssh version will include vpn alike tunnels I just read
18:12 < nzg> so i'm not the onlyone who is online during christmas *g*
18:12 < nzg> so i can use openssh instead of openvpn?
18:13 < rxr> looks so
18:16 < nzg> hm, that sounds interesting, although i don't see the advantage over an existing openvpn configuration
18:19 < rxr> pass cooperate firewalls that just allow ssh
18:20 < rxr> using ssh protocol instead fo ssl ...
18:24 < _Ragnar_> hi hi
18:25 < _Ragnar_> that's interesting since openvpn is a major bandwidth throttle
18:30 < rxr> _Ragnar_: have you added yourself to the google powered t2 map ?
18:31 < _Ragnar_> not yet
18:31 < rxr> go go go ,-)
18:33 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
18:34 < _Ragnar_> that can wait until I'm back in calif;)
18:35 < rxr> ouhm
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18:43 < valentin> hi
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18:44 < rxr> hi valentin
18:44 < rxr> happy christmas
18:44 < rxr> have been at your sister today to tinker her old DVD in her new computer ...
18:44 < rxr> I'he the old one with me for you in berlin ...
18:45 < rxr> -> No bootcode available for this architecture, yet.
18:45 < rxr> -> You can add it to $base/archicture/x86/boot/ boot.in et.al.
18:45 < rxr> ^- new generic bootcode refactoring ...
18:45 < rxr> and a warning at each function call that is undefined due missing bootcode
18:46 < rxr> -> No arch specific arch_boot_cd_pre() available.
18:47 < valentin> hi rxr
18:47 < rxr> -> No arch specific arch_boot_cd_add() available.
18:47 < rxr> -> No arch specific arch_boot_cd_post() available.
18:47 < valentin> did you find out what was wrong with her old one ? do we want to have it ?
18:47 < rxr> valentin: I played with reiser4 yesterday
18:47 < rxr> it is amazingly fast
18:48 < valentin> nice
18:48 < rxr> even on a 1GB file on reiser3 lop mounted
18:48 < rxr> svn st on t2-trunk only takes 1.x seconds then instead of 20+ on my subnotebook
18:48 < rxr> valentin: I have not powered the old one up
18:48 < rxr> valentin: but she said full of viruses and the like
18:49 < rxr> I have not bothered - I'm sure it will run well with a freshly installed t2 ...
18:49 < rxr> and she said slow - not unfunctinoal ...
18:49 < valentin> like the "broken" one from my brother - that is running 24/7/365 as t2-project.org now :)
18:49 < rxr> guess the usual windows was yoused some month syndrom
18:50 < rxr> or the old one from horst that powers gsmp.tfh-berln.de ...
18:50 < rxr> I guess the box I have here is faster than the one from kerstin - maybe you want to place it there or so
18:50 < rxr> just tell me where to dump it in berlin
18:50 < valentin> nice idea
18:51 < valentin> when and where do you arive ?
18:51 < rxr> if you have no use I can dump it as server at inberlin (at belug) for t2 mirroring
18:51 < rxr> mid. next week
18:51 < valentin> well, only usage would be replacing kerstins machine
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18:51 < rxr> we could use that nice slot athlon then as server somewhere ...
18:51 < valentin> yeah..
18:52 < valentin> how was your christmas ?
18:52 < rxr> unspectarular as usual ... so just fine
18:52 < rxr> though the consumer dsl was down here since yesterday evening hindering my hackery ...
18:53 < rxr> and yours in berlin?
18:54 < valentin> nice. yesterday kerstin and i celebrated xmas eve with janna and today we were at k.s mother, eating to much of some big bird animal
18:55 < valentin> still feel fed up
18:55 < rxr> some?
18:55 < rxr> as in undefined ?
18:56 < rxr> valentin: falk wants a new computer
18:56 < valentin> no, just do not know the right translation for "Pute" (and to lazy to look it up)
18:56 < rxr> he wants an apple since all his musicans tell him how great it is
18:56 < valentin> btw: falk is here tomorow
18:56 < rxr> I know
18:56 < valentin> well, apple is not tooo bad once it runs linux :)
18:56 < rxr> I told him the time is a bit bad time to buy an apple due to intel switch and undefined future
18:56 < rxr> I told him to ask you as 2nd oppinion ...
18:57 < valentin> well - think his musican software will run
18:57 < rxr> yeah - but in one year?
18:57 < rxr> no new ppc software anymore
18:57 < rxr> thus I do not tell people to buy an apple right now ...
18:57 < valentin> if you want to unsell it, then i'll tell the same
18:57 < rxr> he does not want windows anymore - to broken alltime - the other possiblity would be his finale in wine
18:58 < rxr> should run good according to interne googling
18:58 < valentin> is there finale for mac ?
18:58 < rxr> yes
18:58 < rxr> win and mac
18:58 < rxr> the win version runs under wine
18:58 < rxr> at least the 2005
18:58 < rxr> tell him what you think is realy
18:58 < rxr> not what I want him to use
18:58 < rxr> obviously t2 linux with wine and finale/win
18:59 < valentin> i'll ask him what he plans to do with his machine.
18:59 < rxr> but if you think a 2.000 EUR powerbook is a reasonable choice today tell him that
18:59 < rxr> valentin: do you want his thinkpad or what do you mean ..
18:59 < rxr> he wants to edit notes and that with an external 21" LCD screen
19:00 < rxr> thus he needs at least the powerbook when he wants to use apple products due to the screen requirements ..
19:00 < rxr> thus an apple sollution would be rather expensive ...
19:00 < rxr> jus the overview - tell him what you think is beast
19:00 < rxr> best even
19:00 < valentin> hm, you are right
19:00 < valentin> did not know he wants a portable
19:01 < valentin> thought he would be fine with a cheap stationary mac
19:01 < rxr> however I do not want to hear complaints form apple people that do not get new software anymore in a year
19:01 < rxr> he wants portable and additional 21" high res TFT
19:01 < rxr> since he has too few notes on his current screen
19:01 < rxr> and he wants no windows since it continously slows down near a halt on his machine
19:01 < valentin> hm - if he buys an mac@intel, then we will hear complaints that there is no software _yet_ :)
19:02 < rxr> though with xp on his 333MHz thinkpad that is not too much of a wonder
19:02 < valentin> yuck
19:02 < rxr> windows slowdowns over time and viruses do the rest
19:02 < rxr> he wants the box ASAP
19:02 < rxr> not in mid 2006
19:02 < valentin> :/
19:02 < rxr> and intel powerbooks will not be out soon
19:03 < rxr> and you can run ppc software on the intel boxes due to the virtualiyer included
19:03 < rxr> virtualizer ...
19:03 < rxr> code-named rosetta
19:03 < valentin> yes, but how good will that work for realtime music software ?
19:03 < rxr> on-the-fly translates the stuff into x86 code ...
19:03 < valentin> i know thay say rosetta rocks
19:03 < rxr> the software runs near full-speed
19:03 < valentin> let's see how goot it works in reality
19:03 < rxr> somewhere around transmeta code-morphing speed
19:03 < valentin> yeah
19:04 < rxr> that is how it works in reality - I read reviews ...
19:04 < rxr> but the bigger issue comes in a year++ when you have no intel->powerpc rosetta and thus no recent software for you powermac
19:06 < rxr> anyway - if you think a current powerbook is good for him tell him
19:06 < valentin> i'll try to be true and discuss all the pro/cons of t2@intel and osx@ppc with him
19:06 < valentin> and finaly he has to make a decission
19:06 < rxr> that why I told him to get a 2nd oppinon
19:06 < valentin> but nice you informed me
19:07 < rxr> and btw. wine works really great those days
19:07 < rxr> e.g. even in archivista we run the OCR kernel.exe under wine ...
19:07 < rxr> they have a OEM license for that beast ...
19:08 < valentin> rxr: do you remember the specs of marie's old computer ? athlon 800 something ?
19:08 < rxr> s.th.
19:08 < rxr> 800 or 1k
19:08 < rxr> 900 even
19:08 < rxr> s.th. like that
19:09 < rxr> and ati card
19:09 < rxr> radeon s.th.
19:09 < rxr> if you want to know exactly I can power it up
19:09 < rxr> oh - and a cool soundcard
19:09 < valentin> well, no need to hurry :)
19:09 < rxr> would be cool if I could keep that one
19:09 < rxr> I think kerstin has a ok trident nx, right?
19:09 < valentin> the soundcard or the whole machine ?
19:09 < rxr> soundcard
19:09 < valentin> yes
19:09 < rxr> I dstroyed a trident nx on my side due to static charge ...
19:09 < valentin> of course trident is enough for kerstin
19:10 < rxr> :-(
19:10 < rxr> well the s.th. in that box is not much better
19:10 < valentin> what soundcard is in maries box ?
19:10 < rxr> but around NX quality
19:10 < rxr> do not remeber anymore
19:10 < rxr> some * Fire * with gold'ed connectors ...
19:10 < rxr> some 90EUR card or so ...
19:10 < rxr> not el-cheapo
19:10 < valentin> you can choose one of those two cards
19:11 < rxr> well kersin has 600Mhz IIRC
19:11 < valentin> kerstin has no good hifi equipment to connect to anyway
19:11 < rxr> that box is faster - somewhere betweem 800 or 1k or so ...
19:11 < rxr> maybe even 1.1
19:11 < valentin> yes, kerstin has your very old 600mhz athlon
19:11 < rxr> guess you want those definetly, right?
19:11 < rxr> and we move the slot athlon to some off-site location as server?
19:11 < rxr> very old ?
19:11 < valentin> why not ?
19:11 < rxr> wel, ...
19:11 < rxr> well even
19:12 < rxr> she has this cool AMD Irongate chipset ,-)
19:12 < valentin> rxr: you played QIII on that machine, so it must be old
19:12 < rxr> hahaha
19:12 < valentin> it had been a very cool machine and it is still
19:12 < rxr> stil decent enough when run with the right os (tm)
19:12 < valentin> though she feels my ibook is faster :)
19:13 < valentin> so, i'll be back in some 20 minutes or so...
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19:34 < CIA-20> rene * r14201 /trunk/package/xorg/xmkmf/: * removed xmkmf, now included in imake and causes shared files
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19:44 < ojh> Well, I have my search tool working :-). I ended up using Doodle [http://gnunet.org/doodle/] for index and search operation, wprks well in real time searching. Activating a result passes the file to ROX-Filer so that the ROX mime system can figure out what to do with the file.
19:49 < ojh> I indexed all in the GNOME directoy with .desktop files so the search works well for finding applications by keyword.
19:50 < rxr> .-)
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19:54 < ojh> The main disadvantage of Doodle is that it provides little metadata back to the front end to classify the results. So all I get back is a list of file names and I would like to do some MIME based filtering and handling. I can always extract the extention from the file name but that is a bit of a kludge.
19:54 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14202 /trunk/misc/lua/sde/getopt.lua: * misc/lua: add a lua getopt alike program option/argument parser
19:55 < rxr> jsaw: do you promote your lua efforts to the lua folks?
19:55 < jsaw> hi
19:56 < jsaw> rxr: no, but "luatar" is already on luaforge
19:57 < jsaw> rxr: the stuff I do now is mainly t2/sde/sam specific, maybe at a later point, I could add a few files to luaforge as some kind of utility lib
19:58 < valentin> rehi
19:58 < valentin> hey jsaw
20:01 < jsaw> hi valentin
20:04 < rxr> architecture/boot for x86 and x86-64 in some minuts
20:04 < rxr> untested powerpc code as well later on
20:05 < rxr> valentin: spare time and fur to ssh into my dual-core and fixup the powerpc64 build there?
20:05 < rxr> 986 builds total, 870 completed fine, 116 with errors.
20:05 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-powerpc64-G5-desktop:
20:07 < jsaw> valentin: concerning lzlib, what about if we would simply rely on the respective command line program, like popen("zcat file")... instead of an explicit lzlib?
20:07 < ojh> How do I enable FAMd file monitoring on T2?
20:08 < jsaw> valentin: otherwise we/I should implement some kind of "xio for lua" (aka eXtensible IO)
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20:19 < valentin> jsaw: popen was disabled in 5.0 or so
20:20 < jsaw> re-enabled again!!
20:21 < valentin> rxr: what is your dual-core named ?
20:37 < rxr> it is at .95
20:37 < rxr> ah - named power
20:38 < rxr> but on obelix the /etc/resolve.conf is f*cked up from some unknown place and thus you have no name resolving there for the localnet ...
20:45 < CIA-20> rene * r14203 /trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs):
20:45 < CIA-20> * factored boot-code out into architecture/%/boot, implemented for
20:45 < CIA-20> x86 and reused for x86-64
20:52 < CIA-20> rene * r14204 /trunk/target/ (generic/build.sh install/build.sh):
20:52 < CIA-20> * cleaned install and generic build.sh and substituted $build_toolchain
20:52 < CIA-20> for build/${SDECFG_ID}/TOOLCHAIN
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21:20 < CIA-20> rene * r14206 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
21:20 < CIA-20> * removed boot-loader stuff from the 2nd_stage not needed in it
21:20 < CIA-20> * moved last, overlooked x86 bits out of install/ into the appropriate
21:20 < CIA-20> architecture/%/boot directory
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21:42 < CIA-20> rene * r14207 /trunk/architecture/powerpc/boot/ (boot.in build.sh):
21:42 < CIA-20> * added proof-of-concept powerpc/boot code - untested, most probably
21:42 < CIA-20> tiny fixes are required
21:47 < CIA-20> rene * r14208 /trunk/architecture/powerpc64/boot/ (. boot.in):
21:47 < CIA-20> * let powerpc64 reuse powerpc yaboot setup for boot/, untested most
21:47 < CIA-20> probably need 64bit quirk since the old T2 powerpc CD do not boot
21:47 < CIA-20> on G5 Macs, but that tweak will should be done in for powerpc already
21:47 < CIA-20> as well
22:05 < CIA-20> rene * r14209 /trunk/architecture/sparc/boot/ (boot.in build.sh silo.conf):
22:05 < CIA-20> * added proof-of-concept sparc/boot code, untested most probably tiny
22:05 < CIA-20> fixes are required
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22:08 < CIA-20> rene * r14210 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/boot/ (. boot.in): * let sparc64 reuse sparc silo setup for boot/
22:08 < CIA-20> rene * r14211 /trunk/architecture/powerpc64/boot/boot.in: * fixed comment typo in powerpc64/boot/boot.in
22:10 < CIA-20> rene * r14212 /trunk/architecture/x86/boot/ (help0.txt help1.txt help2.txt isolinux.cfg): * removed obsolete isolinux config, in x86/boot - we use grub now
22:12 < CIA-20> rene * r14213 /trunk/architecture/x86/boot/ (boot.in build.sh):
22:12 < CIA-20> * removed obsolete x86/boot/build.sh and substituted a long hardcoded
22:12 < CIA-20> path with $isofsdir in x86/boot/boot.in
22:16 < misl> Please, no-one disturb rxr, he has some kind of fever.
22:16 < rxr> hi misl
22:16 < rxr> fever is over
22:17 < misl> that's a pity :)
22:17 < valentin> short re and hi misl
22:17 < valentin> merry xmas to you
22:17 < misl> hi valentin, merry X-mas to you too
22:18 < misl> How was/is the firs Siegler family X-mas :)
22:18 < valentin> Ziegler & Bening
22:18 < valentin> nice
22:18 < misl> :)
22:19 < misl> Mine could be better, we went to the docter with Merlyn. He has a terrible fly :(
22:19 < valentin> janna has been silent when singing two christmas songs, but unpacking the presents made her nervous somehow
22:19 < valentin> oh
22:19 < misl> Wait another 2 years and she want to unpack all the presents :)
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22:20 < valentin> hehe
22:20 < valentin> have to continue and tidy up our flat now - we expect visitors tomorow...
22:21 < misl> have fun tomorrow
22:22 < misl> After 2 sudoku puzzles (beginner and intermediate) I am tired.
22:22 < misl> I will save the advanced for tomorrow.
22:22 < misl> Sleep well all
22:22 < misl> And merry X-mas, for what is left of it.
22:22 < valentin> thx and sleep well misl
22:23 < misl> thanx valentin
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22:32 < rxr> so / me now testbuilding minimal and minimal64 on powerpc ,-)
22:41 < valentin> nice - snow !
22:44 < ojh> misl: Hi. I got my search tool working! And it was usefull untill I indexed my email folder :-P Now mose keywords return about 1000 hits in my email archive . . .
22:46 < ojh> misl: Next feature to add: file classification for results.
22:49 < rxr> ojh: ;-)
22:51 < ojh> rxr: Hi.
22:55 < ojh> Is there any program out there that can serve as a "generic" XML viewer - IE recognize the schema and format it as intended.
22:58 < rxr> ojh: mozilla can do xml with xslt AFAIK
23:01 < ojh> rxr: Yes, I just checked that. Too bad a lot of XML files do not have the link to the schema XSLT in them.
23:03 < CIA-20> rene * r14214 /trunk/ (package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in scripts/functions.in):
23:03 < CIA-20> * extended apply_patchfiles to optionally pass the patch to an filter
23:03 < CIA-20> * improved linux-conf.in to filter EXTRAVERSION prefixes away and thus
23:03 < CIA-20> make more patches to just apply on eachother
23:04 < rxr> mnemoc: r14214 could simplify vserver EXTRAVER tinkery
23:05 < rxr> mnemoc: guess you build those alot and could test ..
23:32 * Stelz is away: dropped to bed..
23:33 < Stelz> 'night all, guys
23:33 < Stelz> & merry x-mas ;D
23:45 < rxr> n8 Stelz - happy christmas for you, too .-)
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01:27 < keinek__> hi guys
01:27 < keinek__> merry christmas
01:27 < keinek__> :)
01:28 < keinek__> Epsilon is a great Released, now i play with the release
01:28 < keinek__> :)
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01:38 < ojh> OS kernels have a sense of humor - who knew?
01:39 < ojh> When requesting an outragously large mmaped file from mmap ot returns a NULL, something the man page states it would not do :-P
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03:37 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 wish you a Merry Christmas! | 2.1.1 TAGGED! - 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
03:37 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Dec 24 20:55:20 2005]
03:37 [Users #t2]
03:37 [@ChanServ] [ demian2006] [ LMJ ] [ owl ] [ sepp ]
03:37 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ]
03:37 [ CIA-20 ] [ keinek ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
03:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
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09:21 < mipe> rxr: why do we need x_dirtree postmake in xproto?
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12:33 < MisterN> hohoho
12:35 < Stelz> hi, MisterN :)
12:36 < MisterN> epsilon yeah
12:38 < CIA-20> mika * r14186 /trunk/package/kde/kdepim/sasl2.patch: * updated kdepim sasl2 patch to apply
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13:22 < mipe> hmm, df -h shows / mounted twice, as rootfs and /dev/sda4
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13:31 < misl> hi all
13:31 < misl> Merry X-mas to all of you :)
13:45 < VX> :)
13:45 < VX> hi, misl
13:45 < misl> hi VX
13:46 < VX> mx to u too :)
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13:46 < misl> thanx
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13:48 < Baldzius> moin & merry christmas :)
13:49 < misl> hi baldy, same to you too.
13:49 < Baldzius> hi misl :)
13:50 < misl> :)
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15:11 < CIA-20> msluis * r14187 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-150/sun-jre-150.desc: * updated sun-jre-150 (1.5.0_05 -> 1.5.0_06)
15:11 < CIA-20> msluis * r14188 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-150/sun-jdk-150.desc: * updated sun-jdk-150 (1.5.0_05 -> 1.5.0_06)
15:15 < CIA-20> msluis * r14189 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-150/ibm-jdk-150.desc:
15:15 < CIA-20> * updated ibm-jdk-150 (1.5.0 Beta -> 1.5.0 Stable)
15:15 < CIA-20> * NOTE: Downloads are named exactly the sams for Beta and Stable.
15:17 < CIA-20> msluis * r14190 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-150/ibm-jre-150.desc:
15:17 < CIA-20> * updated ibm-jre-150 (1.5.0 Beta -> 1.5.0 Stable)
15:17 < CIA-20> * NOTE: Downloads are named exactly the same for Beta and Stable.
15:17 < MisterN> heh commit typo :D
15:25 < misl> Yeah, I noticed to late :(
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15:42 < mipe> rxr:ping
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15:58 < mnemoc> moin!
16:00 < CIA-20> aldas * r14191 /trunk/package/security/rssh/rssh.desc: * updated rssh (2.2.3 -> 2.3.0)
16:00 < Stelz> :)
16:00 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc :)
16:00 * Stelz Date/Time is now [ Sun Dec 25 17:59:06 ]
16:00 < Stelz> moin, mnemoc :)
16:02 < CIA-20> aldas * r14192 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.3.13 -> 2.3.14)
16:04 < CIA-20> aldas * r14193 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * updated udev (077 -> 079)
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16:19 < menomc> :\
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16:27 < rxr_> re
16:27 < rxr_> dsl shortage over here
16:27 < rxr_> I tested reiser4 yesterday
16:27 < rxr_> blazingly fast
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16:29 < mnemoc> :D
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16:32 < CIA-20> rene * r14194 /trunk/package/base/linux26mm/ (12 files): * added linux26mm (2.6.15-rc5-mm3)
16:32 < MisterN> rxr: any news on the status of @live?
16:32 < keinek_> merry christmas guy
16:33 < rxr> oehm - well
16:33 < rxr> rebuild release the next days ..
16:33 < mnemoc> wb keinek_! merry xmas
16:33 < mnemoc> happy xmas rxr
16:33 < keinek_> epsilon is amazing, now i play with it
16:33 < keinek_> :)
16:33 < keinek_> :)
16:33 < Stelz> :)
16:33 < mnemoc> happy xmas VX
16:34 < keinek_> but i have to download the new sources :(
16:34 < keinek_> :)
16:34 < rxr> hey keinek_
16:34 < Stelz> mnemoc: merry xmas :)
16:34 < rxr> keinek_: already booted / installed it ?
16:34 < keinek_> rxr, :)
16:34 < keinek_> no... only download src.
16:34 < mnemoc> :\
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16:34 < MisterN> rxr: epsilon@live will _not_ have eject-on-shutdown, i fear?
16:34 < mnemoc> keinek: try the iso
16:34 < rxr> mnemoc: :
16:34 < Stelz> :)
16:34 < keinek_> any problem?
16:34 < rxr> - lx_extraversion="${ev}${lx_extraversion}"
16:34 < rxr> + lx_extraversion="${lx_extraversion}$ev"
16:34 < keinek_> work fine ?
16:35 < mnemoc> rxr: why in that order?
16:35 < rxr> MisterN: maybe it will have
16:35 < keinek_> rxr, yes what is that order?
16:35 < rxr> when do you want to fill the beginning?
16:35 < rxr> I wanted -rc5-mm3
16:35 < rxr> with the existing I get:
16:35 < rxr> -mm3-rc5 ....
16:35 < mnemoc> rxr: but on the next and the next patch?
16:36 < rxr> mnemoc: you prefix - I want postfix ...
16:36 < mnemoc> ok :)
16:36 < rxr> -rc5-mm3-xen3-vserver9
16:36 < rxr> not
16:36 < rxr> -vserver9-xen3-mm3-rc5
16:36 < mnemoc> true
16:36 < rxr> ok
16:36 < mnemoc> that -rc5 at the end looks weird
16:37 < keinek_> i was send yesterday a new package
16:37 < keinek_> "hacha"
16:37 < keinek_> is a gpl program compatible with hacha from windows.
16:37 < keinek_> archive util that split and join big files.
16:37 < mnemoc> another?
16:37 < keinek_> too much time i was looking for something like that in internet
16:38 < keinek_> yes another :P
16:38 < keinek_> the winusers split files ...
16:38 < keinek_> and i want to join it in my t2 box
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16:38 < keinek_> ;)
16:38 < mnemoc> will you fix your currently maintained packages before sending new ones?
16:38 < mnemoc> wb mipe
16:38 < CIA-20> rene * r14195 /trunk/package/base/ (linux24/README linux26/README): * removed unneeded linux2*/README files
16:38 < keinek_> sure...
16:38 < keinek_> :)
16:38 < keinek_> but this is special
16:39 < keinek_> i talk of it in red-handed radio.
16:41 < CIA-20> rene * r14196 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in:
16:41 < CIA-20> * fixed linux-conf.in version extraction to postfix and not prefix
16:41 < CIA-20> (-rc5-mm3 instead of -mm3-rc5)
16:42 < rxr> mnemoc: reiser4 is really amaying
16:42 < CIA-20> rene * r14197 /trunk/package/xorg/xproto/xproto.conf: * fixed xproto symlink creation
16:42 * mnemoc wonders how trustable
16:42 < rxr> mnemoc: svn st an my sub-notebook takes only 2 seconds or so instead of 20++
16:42 < mnemoc> oh
16:43 < rxr> mnemoc: and that even in a loop mounted files that was on an old reiser3 partition ...
16:43 < mnemoc> .oO
16:52 < rxr> mnemoc: how was the celebration yesterday ?
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17:01 < mnemoc> rxr: very nice... lot of family i haven't seen in... one year :p
17:01 < mnemoc> rxr: the girls pass a very good time, so i'm happy :)
17:01 < mnemoc> rxr: and yours?
17:04 < rxr> not that big here - but all fine
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17:04 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mipe ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_] [ valentin ]
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17:18 < CIA-20> rene * r14198 /trunk/package/xorg/ (270 files in 270 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated xorg to X11R7.0, including:
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated xlsfonts (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated xfd (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated fslsfonts (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated xkill (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:18 < CIA-20> * updated lbxproxy (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:21 < mipe> so rxr: why do we need x_dirtee postmake in xproto? i think thats the one causing some symlink problems
17:21 < rxr> I fixed the one problem in it
17:22 < rxr> we need the lib and include links for some packages to build
17:22 < rxr> and the font symlink so that fonts work since just building the modular package places them in the lib64 dir on thos architecture
17:36 < CIA-20> aldas * r14199 /trunk/package/kde/digikam/digikam.desc: * updated digikam (0.7.4 -> 0.8.0)
17:37 < CIA-20> aldas * r14200 /trunk/package/kde/digikamimageplugins/digikamimageplugins.desc: * updated digikamimageplugins (0.7.4 -> 0.8.0)
17:41 < rxr> mnemoc: what directory should I move the install and live target-post-processing stuff into _
17:41 < rxr> ?
17:42 < rxr> /postproc ?
17:42 < mnemoc> uhm....
17:43 < rxr> /image
17:43 < mnemoc> what's the life of that?
17:43 < rxr> mnemoc: I talk about the current arget/]
17:43 < rxr> target/{livecd,install} that are no targets
17:43 < rxr> (anymore)
17:43 < mnemoc> misc/target/image/* ?
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17:44 < rxr> I would not move it into misc
17:44 < rxr> misc should be misc fluff
17:44 < mnemoc> misc is not misc fluff
17:44 < mnemoc> misc/archive is misc fluff
17:44 < rxr> those target output postporcesing / image creation deserves some top-level near /target, no?
17:45 < mnemoc> misc/*/parse-config is only active on our buildchain
17:45 < mnemoc> is already*
17:45 < mnemoc> we have misc/share misc/output misc/tail ..... lot of 'important' stuff is there
17:47 < mnemoc> misc/target/ is the place for common stuff for all targets imo
17:47 < rxr> hm
17:47 < rxr> or I leave them where they are until some enlightenment
17:48 < mnemoc> if 'misc' string doesn't like you we could relocate them to a different string, but we can't invent a new root dir for each new feature
17:48 < mnemoc> we need a single place for all non-{config,build,arch,package,target} things
17:49 < mnemoc> 'sde' maybe
17:50 < mnemoc> but i doubt that is a good change for 2.2
17:52 < rxr> I leave it as it is right now and focus on getting per architecture/%/boot going
17:53 < mnemoc> ok
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17:57 < mnemoc> damn... there are lot of things i want to do :(
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18:09 < rxr> hi nzg
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18:09 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ misl ] [ nzg] [ sparc-kly]
18:09 [ Baldzius] [ keinek_ ] [ MisterN] [ owl] [ Stelz ]
18:09 [ CIA-20 ] [ LMJ ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr] [ valentin ]
18:09 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal]
18:10 < nzg> moin rxr
18:12 < rxr> the next openssh version will include vpn alike tunnels I just read
18:12 < nzg> so i'm not the onlyone who is online during christmas *g*
18:12 < nzg> so i can use openssh instead of openvpn?
18:13 < rxr> looks so
18:16 < nzg> hm, that sounds interesting, although i don't see the advantage over an existing openvpn configuration
18:19 < rxr> pass cooperate firewalls that just allow ssh
18:20 < rxr> using ssh protocol instead fo ssl ...
18:24 < _Ragnar_> hi hi
18:25 < _Ragnar_> that's interesting since openvpn is a major bandwidth throttle
18:30 < rxr> _Ragnar_: have you added yourself to the google powered t2 map ?
18:31 < _Ragnar_> not yet
18:31 < rxr> go go go ,-)
18:33 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
18:34 < _Ragnar_> that can wait until I'm back in calif;)
18:35 < rxr> ouhm
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18:43 < valentin> hi
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18:44 < rxr> hi valentin
18:44 < rxr> happy christmas
18:44 < rxr> have been at your sister today to tinker her old DVD in her new computer ...
18:44 < rxr> I'he the old one with me for you in berlin ...
18:45 < rxr> -> No bootcode available for this architecture, yet.
18:45 < rxr> -> You can add it to $base/archicture/x86/boot/ boot.in et.al.
18:45 < rxr> ^- new generic bootcode refactoring ...
18:45 < rxr> and a warning at each function call that is undefined due missing bootcode
18:46 < rxr> -> No arch specific arch_boot_cd_pre() available.
18:47 < valentin> hi rxr
18:47 < rxr> -> No arch specific arch_boot_cd_add() available.
18:47 < rxr> -> No arch specific arch_boot_cd_post() available.
18:47 < valentin> did you find out what was wrong with her old one ? do we want to have it ?
18:47 < rxr> valentin: I played with reiser4 yesterday
18:47 < rxr> it is amazingly fast
18:48 < valentin> nice
18:48 < rxr> even on a 1GB file on reiser3 lop mounted
18:48 < rxr> svn st on t2-trunk only takes 1.x seconds then instead of 20+ on my subnotebook
18:48 < rxr> valentin: I have not powered the old one up
18:48 < rxr> valentin: but she said full of viruses and the like
18:49 < rxr> I have not bothered - I'm sure it will run well with a freshly installed t2 ...
18:49 < rxr> and she said slow - not unfunctinoal ...
18:49 < valentin> like the "broken" one from my brother - that is running 24/7/365 as t2-project.org now :)
18:49 < rxr> guess the usual windows was yoused some month syndrom
18:50 < rxr> or the old one from horst that powers gsmp.tfh-berln.de ...
18:50 < rxr> I guess the box I have here is faster than the one from kerstin - maybe you want to place it there or so
18:50 < rxr> just tell me where to dump it in berlin
18:50 < valentin> nice idea
18:51 < valentin> when and where do you arive ?
18:51 < rxr> if you have no use I can dump it as server at inberlin (at belug) for t2 mirroring
18:51 < rxr> mid. next week
18:51 < valentin> well, only usage would be replacing kerstins machine
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18:51 < rxr> we could use that nice slot athlon then as server somewhere ...
18:51 < valentin> yeah..
18:52 < valentin> how was your christmas ?
18:52 < rxr> unspectarular as usual ... so just fine
18:52 < rxr> though the consumer dsl was down here since yesterday evening hindering my hackery ...
18:53 < rxr> and yours in berlin?
18:54 < valentin> nice. yesterday kerstin and i celebrated xmas eve with janna and today we were at k.s mother, eating to much of some big bird animal
18:55 < valentin> still feel fed up
18:55 < rxr> some?
18:55 < rxr> as in undefined ?
18:56 < rxr> valentin: falk wants a new computer
18:56 < valentin> no, just do not know the right translation for "Pute" (and to lazy to look it up)
18:56 < rxr> he wants an apple since all his musicans tell him how great it is
18:56 < valentin> btw: falk is here tomorow
18:56 < rxr> I know
18:56 < valentin> well, apple is not tooo bad once it runs linux :)
18:56 < rxr> I told him the time is a bit bad time to buy an apple due to intel switch and undefined future
18:56 < rxr> I told him to ask you as 2nd oppinion ...
18:57 < valentin> well - think his musican software will run
18:57 < rxr> yeah - but in one year?
18:57 < rxr> no new ppc software anymore
18:57 < rxr> thus I do not tell people to buy an apple right now ...
18:57 < valentin> if you want to unsell it, then i'll tell the same
18:57 < rxr> he does not want windows anymore - to broken alltime - the other possiblity would be his finale in wine
18:58 < rxr> should run good according to interne googling
18:58 < valentin> is there finale for mac ?
18:58 < rxr> yes
18:58 < rxr> win and mac
18:58 < rxr> the win version runs under wine
18:58 < rxr> at least the 2005
18:58 < rxr> tell him what you think is realy
18:58 < rxr> not what I want him to use
18:58 < rxr> obviously t2 linux with wine and finale/win
18:59 < valentin> i'll ask him what he plans to do with his machine.
18:59 < rxr> but if you think a 2.000 EUR powerbook is a reasonable choice today tell him that
18:59 < rxr> valentin: do you want his thinkpad or what do you mean ..
18:59 < rxr> he wants to edit notes and that with an external 21" LCD screen
19:00 < rxr> thus he needs at least the powerbook when he wants to use apple products due to the screen requirements ..
19:00 < rxr> thus an apple sollution would be rather expensive ...
19:00 < rxr> jus the overview - tell him what you think is beast
19:00 < rxr> best even
19:00 < valentin> hm, you are right
19:00 < valentin> did not know he wants a portable
19:01 < valentin> thought he would be fine with a cheap stationary mac
19:01 < rxr> however I do not want to hear complaints form apple people that do not get new software anymore in a year
19:01 < rxr> he wants portable and additional 21" high res TFT
19:01 < rxr> since he has too few notes on his current screen
19:01 < rxr> and he wants no windows since it continously slows down near a halt on his machine
19:01 < valentin> hm - if he buys an mac@intel, then we will hear complaints that there is no software _yet_ :)
19:02 < rxr> though with xp on his 333MHz thinkpad that is not too much of a wonder
19:02 < valentin> yuck
19:02 < rxr> windows slowdowns over time and viruses do the rest
19:02 < rxr> he wants the box ASAP
19:02 < rxr> not in mid 2006
19:02 < valentin> :/
19:02 < rxr> and intel powerbooks will not be out soon
19:03 < rxr> and you can run ppc software on the intel boxes due to the virtualiyer included
19:03 < rxr> virtualizer ...
19:03 < rxr> code-named rosetta
19:03 < valentin> yes, but how good will that work for realtime music software ?
19:03 < rxr> on-the-fly translates the stuff into x86 code ...
19:03 < valentin> i know thay say rosetta rocks
19:03 < rxr> the software runs near full-speed
19:03 < valentin> let's see how goot it works in reality
19:03 < rxr> somewhere around transmeta code-morphing speed
19:03 < valentin> yeah
19:04 < rxr> that is how it works in reality - I read reviews ...
19:04 < rxr> but the bigger issue comes in a year++ when you have no intel->powerpc rosetta and thus no recent software for you powermac
19:06 < rxr> anyway - if you think a current powerbook is good for him tell him
19:06 < valentin> i'll try to be true and discuss all the pro/cons of t2@intel and osx@ppc with him
19:06 < valentin> and finaly he has to make a decission
19:06 < rxr> that why I told him to get a 2nd oppinon
19:06 < valentin> but nice you informed me
19:07 < rxr> and btw. wine works really great those days
19:07 < rxr> e.g. even in archivista we run the OCR kernel.exe under wine ...
19:07 < rxr> they have a OEM license for that beast ...
19:08 < valentin> rxr: do you remember the specs of marie's old computer ? athlon 800 something ?
19:08 < rxr> s.th.
19:08 < rxr> 800 or 1k
19:08 < rxr> 900 even
19:08 < rxr> s.th. like that
19:09 < rxr> and ati card
19:09 < rxr> radeon s.th.
19:09 < rxr> if you want to know exactly I can power it up
19:09 < rxr> oh - and a cool soundcard
19:09 < valentin> well, no need to hurry :)
19:09 < rxr> would be cool if I could keep that one
19:09 < rxr> I think kerstin has a ok trident nx, right?
19:09 < valentin> the soundcard or the whole machine ?
19:09 < rxr> soundcard
19:09 < valentin> yes
19:09 < rxr> I dstroyed a trident nx on my side due to static charge ...
19:09 < valentin> of course trident is enough for kerstin
19:10 < rxr> :-(
19:10 < rxr> well the s.th. in that box is not much better
19:10 < valentin> what soundcard is in maries box ?
19:10 < rxr> but around NX quality
19:10 < rxr> do not remeber anymore
19:10 < rxr> some * Fire * with gold'ed connectors ...
19:10 < rxr> some 90EUR card or so ...
19:10 < rxr> not el-cheapo
19:10 < valentin> you can choose one of those two cards
19:11 < rxr> well kersin has 600Mhz IIRC
19:11 < valentin> kerstin has no good hifi equipment to connect to anyway
19:11 < rxr> that box is faster - somewhere betweem 800 or 1k or so ...
19:11 < rxr> maybe even 1.1
19:11 < valentin> yes, kerstin has your very old 600mhz athlon
19:11 < rxr> guess you want those definetly, right?
19:11 < rxr> and we move the slot athlon to some off-site location as server?
19:11 < rxr> very old ?
19:11 < valentin> why not ?
19:11 < rxr> wel, ...
19:11 < rxr> well even
19:12 < rxr> she has this cool AMD Irongate chipset ,-)
19:12 < valentin> rxr: you played QIII on that machine, so it must be old
19:12 < rxr> hahaha
19:12 < valentin> it had been a very cool machine and it is still
19:12 < rxr> stil decent enough when run with the right os (tm)
19:12 < valentin> though she feels my ibook is faster :)
19:13 < valentin> so, i'll be back in some 20 minutes or so...
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19:34 < CIA-20> rene * r14201 /trunk/package/xorg/xmkmf/: * removed xmkmf, now included in imake and causes shared files
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19:44 < ojh> Well, I have my search tool working :-). I ended up using Doodle [http://gnunet.org/doodle/] for index and search operation, wprks well in real time searching. Activating a result passes the file to ROX-Filer so that the ROX mime system can figure out what to do with the file.
19:49 < ojh> I indexed all in the GNOME directoy with .desktop files so the search works well for finding applications by keyword.
19:50 < rxr> .-)
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19:53 [ Baldzius] [ keinek_ ] [ MisterN] [ ojh] [ sparc-kly]
19:53 [ CIA-20 ] [ LMJ ] [ mnemoc ] [ owl] [ Stelz ]
19:53 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
19:54 < ojh> The main disadvantage of Doodle is that it provides little metadata back to the front end to classify the results. So all I get back is a list of file names and I would like to do some MIME based filtering and handling. I can always extract the extention from the file name but that is a bit of a kludge.
19:54 < CIA-20> jsaw * r14202 /trunk/misc/lua/sde/getopt.lua: * misc/lua: add a lua getopt alike program option/argument parser
19:55 < rxr> jsaw: do you promote your lua efforts to the lua folks?
19:55 < jsaw> hi
19:56 < jsaw> rxr: no, but "luatar" is already on luaforge
19:57 < jsaw> rxr: the stuff I do now is mainly t2/sde/sam specific, maybe at a later point, I could add a few files to luaforge as some kind of utility lib
19:58 < valentin> rehi
19:58 < valentin> hey jsaw
20:01 < jsaw> hi valentin
20:04 < rxr> architecture/boot for x86 and x86-64 in some minuts
20:04 < rxr> untested powerpc code as well later on
20:05 < rxr> valentin: spare time and fur to ssh into my dual-core and fixup the powerpc64 build there?
20:05 < rxr> 986 builds total, 870 completed fine, 116 with errors.
20:05 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-powerpc64-G5-desktop:
20:07 < jsaw> valentin: concerning lzlib, what about if we would simply rely on the respective command line program, like popen("zcat file")... instead of an explicit lzlib?
20:07 < ojh> How do I enable FAMd file monitoring on T2?
20:08 < jsaw> valentin: otherwise we/I should implement some kind of "xio for lua" (aka eXtensible IO)
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20:19 < valentin> jsaw: popen was disabled in 5.0 or so
20:20 < jsaw> re-enabled again!!
20:21 < valentin> rxr: what is your dual-core named ?
20:37 < rxr> it is at .95
20:37 < rxr> ah - named power
20:38 < rxr> but on obelix the /etc/resolve.conf is f*cked up from some unknown place and thus you have no name resolving there for the localnet ...
20:45 < CIA-20> rene * r14203 /trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs):
20:45 < CIA-20> * factored boot-code out into architecture/%/boot, implemented for
20:45 < CIA-20> x86 and reused for x86-64
20:52 < CIA-20> rene * r14204 /trunk/target/ (generic/build.sh install/build.sh):
20:52 < CIA-20> * cleaned install and generic build.sh and substituted $build_toolchain
20:52 < CIA-20> for build/${SDECFG_ID}/TOOLCHAIN
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21:12 < CIA-20> rene * r14205 /trunk/architecture/x86/boot/boot.in: * fixed x86/boot/boot.in to inject the boot from HD option again
21:20 < CIA-20> rene * r14206 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
21:20 < CIA-20> * removed boot-loader stuff from the 2nd_stage not needed in it
21:20 < CIA-20> * moved last, overlooked x86 bits out of install/ into the appropriate
21:20 < CIA-20> architecture/%/boot directory
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21:42 < CIA-20> rene * r14207 /trunk/architecture/powerpc/boot/ (boot.in build.sh):
21:42 < CIA-20> * added proof-of-concept powerpc/boot code - untested, most probably
21:42 < CIA-20> tiny fixes are required
21:47 < CIA-20> rene * r14208 /trunk/architecture/powerpc64/boot/ (. boot.in):
21:47 < CIA-20> * let powerpc64 reuse powerpc yaboot setup for boot/, untested most
21:47 < CIA-20> probably need 64bit quirk since the old T2 powerpc CD do not boot
21:47 < CIA-20> on G5 Macs, but that tweak will should be done in for powerpc already
21:47 < CIA-20> as well
22:05 < CIA-20> rene * r14209 /trunk/architecture/sparc/boot/ (boot.in build.sh silo.conf):
22:05 < CIA-20> * added proof-of-concept sparc/boot code, untested most probably tiny
22:05 < CIA-20> fixes are required
22:06 -!- Stelz [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2
22:08 < CIA-20> rene * r14210 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/boot/ (. boot.in): * let sparc64 reuse sparc silo setup for boot/
22:08 < CIA-20> rene * r14211 /trunk/architecture/powerpc64/boot/boot.in: * fixed comment typo in powerpc64/boot/boot.in
22:10 < CIA-20> rene * r14212 /trunk/architecture/x86/boot/ (help0.txt help1.txt help2.txt isolinux.cfg): * removed obsolete isolinux config, in x86/boot - we use grub now
22:12 < CIA-20> rene * r14213 /trunk/architecture/x86/boot/ (boot.in build.sh):
22:12 < CIA-20> * removed obsolete x86/boot/build.sh and substituted a long hardcoded
22:12 < CIA-20> path with $isofsdir in x86/boot/boot.in
22:16 < misl> Please, no-one disturb rxr, he has some kind of fever.
22:16 < rxr> hi misl
22:16 < rxr> fever is over
22:17 < misl> that's a pity :)
22:17 < valentin> short re and hi misl
22:17 < valentin> merry xmas to you
22:17 < misl> hi valentin, merry X-mas to you too
22:18 < misl> How was/is the firs Siegler family X-mas :)
22:18 < valentin> Ziegler & Bening
22:18 < valentin> nice
22:18 < misl> :)
22:19 < misl> Mine could be better, we went to the docter with Merlyn. He has a terrible fly :(
22:19 < valentin> janna has been silent when singing two christmas songs, but unpacking the presents made her nervous somehow
22:19 < valentin> oh
22:19 < misl> Wait another 2 years and she want to unpack all the presents :)
22:20 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:20 < valentin> hehe
22:20 < valentin> have to continue and tidy up our flat now - we expect visitors tomorow...
22:21 < misl> have fun tomorrow
22:22 < misl> After 2 sudoku puzzles (beginner and intermediate) I am tired.
22:22 < misl> I will save the advanced for tomorrow.
22:22 < misl> Sleep well all
22:22 < misl> And merry X-mas, for what is left of it.
22:22 < valentin> thx and sleep well misl
22:23 < misl> thanx valentin
22:23 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"]
22:25 -!- mipe [n=mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["leaving"]
22:32 < rxr> so / me now testbuilding minimal and minimal64 on powerpc ,-)
22:41 < valentin> nice - snow !
22:44 < ojh> misl: Hi. I got my search tool working! And it was usefull untill I indexed my email folder :-P Now mose keywords return about 1000 hits in my email archive . . .
22:46 < ojh> misl: Next feature to add: file classification for results.
22:49 < rxr> ojh: ;-)
22:51 < ojh> rxr: Hi.
22:55 < ojh> Is there any program out there that can serve as a "generic" XML viewer - IE recognize the schema and format it as intended.
22:58 < rxr> ojh: mozilla can do xml with xslt AFAIK
23:01 < ojh> rxr: Yes, I just checked that. Too bad a lot of XML files do not have the link to the schema XSLT in them.
23:03 < CIA-20> rene * r14214 /trunk/ (package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in scripts/functions.in):
23:03 < CIA-20> * extended apply_patchfiles to optionally pass the patch to an filter
23:03 < CIA-20> * improved linux-conf.in to filter EXTRAVERSION prefixes away and thus
23:03 < CIA-20> make more patches to just apply on eachother
23:04 < rxr> mnemoc: r14214 could simplify vserver EXTRAVER tinkery
23:05 < rxr> mnemoc: guess you build those alot and could test ..
23:32 * Stelz is away: dropped to bed..
23:33 < Stelz> 'night all, guys
23:33 < Stelz> & merry x-mas ;D
23:45 < rxr> n8 Stelz - happy christmas for you, too .-)
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