T2 IRC Log: 2005-12-14
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--- Log opened Wed Dec 14 00:00:11 2005
00:03 < valentin> sepp: using the wrapper would be a solution...
00:08 < sepp> i know that gcc wrapper will work, just not sure if its "the best way"
00:32 < valentin> sepp: to be honest i have no idea (besides messing with makeopts or writing a patch)
00:32 < valentin> i have seen stuff like that in the wrapper, so i think it is ok.
00:32 < valentin> gn8
00:32 < sepp> good night valentin
00:34 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13874 /trunk/package/e17/entropy/entropy.desc: * repriorized entropy after ewl
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00:37 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13876 /trunk/package/e17/emotion/emotion.desc: * updated emotion (2005-11-14 -> 2005-12-10) - upstream fix for xine-lib 1.1.1
00:38 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13877 /trunk/package/e17/eclair/eclair.conf: * append -lpthread
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01:08 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
01:08 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
01:08 [Users #t2]
01:08 [@ChanServ ] [ demian ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
01:08 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ madtux] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
01:08 [ CIA-9 ] [ kristian] [ mnemoc] [ ojh ] [ sepp] [ Xenos ]
01:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
01:08 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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01:08 < rxr> re
01:10 < sepp> hi rxr
01:10 < rxr> hi sepp
01:11 [Users #t2]
01:11 [@ChanServ ] [ demian ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
01:11 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ madtux] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
01:11 [ CIA-9 ] [ kristian] [ mnemoc] [ ojh ] [ sepp] [ Xenos ]
01:11 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
01:11 < rxr> ok - 18 people around ,-)
01:12 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13878 /trunk/package/e17/evidence/evidence.desc: * fixed [U] typo
01:13 < mnemoc> hi rxr :)
01:15 < demian> bye
01:17 < mnemoc> bye demian
01:33 < sepp> good night all
01:40 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp
02:02 < kristian> moin
02:04 < mnemoc> moin kristian
02:05 < kristian> mnemoc stil awake?
02:05 < mnemoc> [22:05:59] mnemoc stil awake? :)
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02:37 < CIA-9> amery * r13879 /trunk/package/python/setuptools/ (. setuptools.conf setuptools.desc): * added setuptools (0.6a8) - a collection of enhancements to the Python distutils
02:48 < kristian> mnemoc south america?
02:48 < mnemoc> kristian: yes, chile
02:49 < madtux> chile... argentina... its all the same
02:49 < kristian> nice. :) - how is you wether?
02:50 < mnemoc> madtux: .cr, .pr .... its all the same
02:51 < mnemoc> kristian: 35°C :\
02:52 < kristian> ~0 here. but there is just a bit of water between us. - strange. okay let's swap places... ;)
02:52 < mnemoc> madtux: both us colonies
02:53 < mnemoc> kristian: if you pay the tickets, sure :)
02:54 < kristian> mnemoc okay, 'got me.
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07:45 < mipe> hi *
08:24 < kristian> hi mipe
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08:56 < valentin> moin
08:59 < karasz> moin
09:03 < karasz> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/67168
09:03 < karasz> ^^ :)
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09:16 < mtr> moin
09:27 < rxr> re
09:35 < karasz> hi rxr
09:36 < mtr> moin rxr, karasz
09:36 < karasz> hello mtr
09:37 < valentin> moin rxr, how was the talk ?
09:49 < mipe_> so boehm-gc should be working now on x64
09:49 * Xenos is back (gone 11:19:24)
09:49 < Xenos> hloall
09:54 < karasz> hi Xenos
09:59 < rxr> valentin: so lala - but I got a lot of useful contacts here in berlin
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10:42 < valentin> rxr: did you call me ?
10:42 < rxr> not that I know of
10:42 < rxr> but we could phone nontheless
11:21 < rxr> so - rotated RGBA cursor is mostly there
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11:30 < LMJ> Good morning
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12:08 < rxr> moin LMJ
12:08 [Users #t2]
12:08 [@ChanServ ] [ demian ] [ kristian] [ mtr] [ sepp_ ] [ Xenos]
12:08 [ _Ragnar__] [ geekitus] [ LMJ ] [ owl] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
12:08 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr] [ valentin ]
12:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
12:29 < LMJ> how are you rxr ?
12:34 < rxr> fine
12:35 < rxr> ah serwou you are ,-), right?
12:35 < LMJ> yes ;)
12:35 < LMJ> seems i can't specify a nick per channel :-/
12:36 < rxr> .oO
12:36 < Xenos> ...
12:42 < rxr> valentin: rotated RGBA cursors do work with Geode now
12:43 < rxr> XVideo acceleration does not when the screen got rotated, I review if that is fixable some time later
12:43 < rxr> so far I do not care due I normally do not rotate
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12:43 < rxr> DVB-T MPEG2 dump with audio playback took 70% cpu load and just playing mp3 on the box let's xmms consume 2%CPU, including the graphical scrolling and vu-meter ....
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13:13 < rxr> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2088
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13:20 < madtux> moin
13:21 < rxr> moin miguel
13:21 < madtux> :)
13:25 < CIA-9> rene * r13880 /trunk/package/develop/cmake/cmake.desc: * updated cmake (2.0.5 -> 2.2.3)
13:32 < CIA-9> rene * r13881 /trunk/package/base/readline/readline.desc: * updated readline (5.0 -> 5.1)
13:33 < rxr> valentin: btw. sound works on the geode ..., now
13:37 < CIA-9> rene * r13882 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.2.5-4 -> 6.2.5-5)
13:38 < CIA-9> rene * r13883 /trunk/package/security/dropbear/dropbear.desc: * makred dropbear DIETLIBC
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14:39 < valentin> rxr: you are my personal hero
14:41 < demian> ?
14:41 < demian> gd morning
14:41 < valentin> hi demian
14:49 < mnemoc> moin
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15:04 < rxr> moin mnemoc
15:06 < mnemoc> moin rxr
15:08 < demian> hi mnemoc
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15:10 < mnemoc> hi demian
15:11 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you ?
15:12 < mnemoc> good question... :) i guess 'ok'
15:12 < mnemoc> and you?
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15:16 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - jups - all fine
15:18 < mnemoc> nice :)
15:31 < rxr> cu
15:32 < Xenos> does anybody know how to install php 5 with sqlite 3 support?..
15:33 < mnemoc> isn't enabled by php.conf when sqlite is installed?
15:33 < mnemoc> take a look into package/*/php/php.conf and add the missing check and confopt
15:35 < Xenos> em...
15:35 < Xenos> i can't build it
15:36 < Xenos> because php has own sqlite-module included in php-distribution
15:36 < mnemoc> as with mysql
15:37 < mnemoc> but there is a var to force shared and use _external_
15:40 < Xenos> :mnemoc : as with mysql
15:40 < Xenos> no!
15:40 < Xenos> php has a full source-code of sqlite
15:40 < Xenos> but its version is very old :(
15:46 < karasz> hi mnemoc
15:46 < karasz> good to see you back ;)
15:46 < karasz> are you finished with election duties?
15:57 < mnemoc> karasz: there was a draw for president so i have to be again on jan 15 :\
15:58 < mnemoc> Xenos: nothing like --enable-sqlite=/usr/blah/sqllite ?
15:58 < Xenos> no :(
15:59 < mnemoc> ask #php, and i tell you how to do that on t2
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17:20 < Xenos> "Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."
17:20 < Xenos> :)
17:21 < mnemoc> o.o
17:24 < Xenos> mnemoc: :)
17:45 < geekitus_> « Always code as if the guy who ends up
17:45 < geekitus_> maintaining your code will be a violent
17:45 < geekitus_> psychopath who knows where you live. »
17:45 < geekitus_> John F. Woods
17:48 < Xenos> geekitus_: hello
17:49 < geekitus_> hi
17:50 < Xenos> geekitus_: still on sourcemage? :)
17:50 < geekitus_> now i will think in psychopath when i will programm somethings
17:50 < geekitus_> Xenos, oh, no
17:50 < geekitus_> Xenos, i leave sourcemage since 3 months
17:50 < geekitus_> not too stable for me
17:50 < Xenos> :)
17:50 < Xenos> for me too
17:50 < Xenos> t2 rulezz the world
17:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13884 /trunk/package/xorg/xinit/startwm.patch: * rediffed startwm.patch
17:55 < mnemoc> Xenos: t2 should rules the world, but doesn't :\
17:55 < Xenos> !
17:55 < Xenos> will!
17:55 < Xenos> i hope :>
17:56 < mnemoc> nah, most people is lazy or pimp, and they wont use T2
17:56 < Xenos> :)
17:56 < Xenos> it's time to f*ck microsoft.com
17:56 < Xenos> :)
17:56 * Xenos bought some book for hacking in linux
17:57 < Xenos> "_"
17:57 < mnemoc> covers something else than nmap and nessus? ^_^
17:57 < Xenos> :)
17:57 < Xenos> ethereal maybe
17:58 < Xenos> & yep, nmap
17:58 < Xenos> :)
17:58 < mnemoc> yes, i forgot ethereal :p
18:00 < Xenos> :)
18:02 < demian> jeje
18:02 < demian> bye, have fun
18:04 < Xenos> bye, demian
18:26 < mnemoc> rxr: package matrix doesn't handle new 'buildtime' fields
18:41 < CIA-9> amery * r13885 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/ (xpdf.conf xpdf.desc): * updated xpdf (3.01 -> 3.01pl1)
18:46 < rxr> re
18:46 < rxr> where=
18:46 < rxr> ? even
18:46 < rxr> package matrix looks fine IMHO
18:51 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/bash.html
18:51 < rxr> Build time (on reference hardware): 35% (relative to binutils)
18:51 < rxr> mnemoc:do you see something that is defect ?
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18:54 < mnemoc> 35% (relative to binutils), not '%'
18:54 < rxr> oehm
18:54 < rxr> that is official html encoding, right?
18:55 < rxr> just % is not portable, is it ?
18:55 < rxr> mnemoc: what browser are you using?
18:55 < mnemoc> firefox
18:55 < rxr> i intentionally wrote it this way ...
18:55 < rxr> work fine in konqueror ...
18:55 * rxr starting firefox
18:56 < rxr> urgs ...
18:56 < rxr> hm
18:56 < rxr> does firecrap need a space ?
18:56 < rxr> is just % legal html ?
18:56 < mnemoc> i think it's legal
18:57 < mnemoc> i have never seen % entity before
18:57 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/bash.html
18:58 < rxr> with a space firefox renders it ...
18:58 < rxr> oh - wait
18:58 < mnemoc> yes :)
18:58 < rxr> hm
18:58 < mnemoc> shift-refresh :)
18:58 < rxr> but on konqueror I have a spacing distance now ...
18:59 < mnemoc> o.o
18:59 < rxr> ah - no
18:59 < rxr> on firefox space does not work ...
18:59 < rxr> looked into the wrong window ...
18:59 < rxr> firefox sux ...
18:59 < rxr> mozilla crap anyway ...
19:00 < mnemoc> :)
19:00 < rxr> so I use % until someone complaints ...
19:00 < mnemoc> ok ,-)
19:01 < rxr> once I look into the html spec and then it does not work out - bummer ...
19:01 < mnemoc> *g*
19:04 < CIA-9> amery * r13886 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/ (ps.patch.t1lib tetex3.patch.t1lib xpdf.desc): * updated xpdf/t1lib (1.3 -> 5.1.0)
19:04 < rxr> 1.3 -> 5.1.0???
19:05 < rxr> btw we should package the t1lib seperatly
19:05 < rxr> oh - my god ...
19:05 < mnemoc> who else need it?
19:05 < rxr> indeed such a version bump ...
19:06 < rxr> I saw some code pieces here and there
19:06 < mnemoc> yes, i'm not faking :)
19:06 < rxr> I think it is even bundled in tetex
19:06 < rxr> mnemoc: sure - but maybe typo ...
19:06 < mnemoc> o.o
19:06 < rxr> such version bumbs are unusual in t2 ...
19:06 < mnemoc> sure, but sub-packages tend to be forgoten
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19:06 < sepp> moin
19:07 < mnemoc> moin sepp
19:07 < sepp> hi mnemoc
19:08 < rxr> mnemoc: split it ,-)
19:08 < rxr> I could as well though
19:08 < rxr> even debian has a seperate one
19:08 < rxr> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/t1lib
19:10 < mnemoc> on 2.2 it could be splitted
19:10 < mnemoc> but i'm doing merges now :p
19:25 * Xenos is away: smthng 4 anythng
19:28 < rxr> ok - I split
19:28 < mnemoc> :)
19:29 < mnemoc> and if you can remove bundled copies, much better :)
19:30 < mnemoc> OT: i was thinking in 'hooking' build_this_package, to let packages to add extract, config, make and install code on parse-config
19:31 < mnemoc> flist filtering methods, etc..
19:32 < mnemoc> e.g. autoconf adding autoconf support, python adding python support, unzip adding autoextract_zip, etc...
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19:36 < rxr> ack
19:37 < MisterN> hi
19:38 < mnemoc> rxr: great to see you ack-ing :)
19:38 < mnemoc> wb MsN
19:41 < MisterN> traditions are good, right? sometimes, doubt bites me :p
19:41 < mnemoc> a:)
19:41 < mnemoc> -a
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20:32 < CIA-9> amery * r13887 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/xpdf/ (7 files):
20:32 < CIA-9> * merged 11099,11683,13885 from trunk: updated xpdf (3.00pl3 -> 3.01pl1)
20:32 < CIA-9> * merged 13886 from trunk: updated xpdf/t1lib (1.3 -> 5.1.0)
20:34 < rxr> in a second I commit the split
20:39 < CIA-9> rene * r13888 /trunk/package/graphic/ (7 files in 2 dirs): * split xpdf up into t1lib and xpdf alone
20:39 < rxr> mnemoc: you found t1lib update with the update tracker, don't you ?
20:40 < rxr> didn't you even ...
20:42 < mnemoc> rxr: nope, when i visited xpdf page :)
20:45 < rxr> update tracker notified us on dec the 6th
20:46 < rxr> most probably after I modified it to track more precisely ...
20:48 < mnemoc> my problem with the tracker is the 'step forward' feature
20:48 < mnemoc> so i still use checkver
20:54 < rxr> step forward ?
20:56 < mnemoc> check on diffrent dirs if the dir is versioned
20:56 < mnemoc> i can't use that on 2.1
21:15 < LMJ> hello mnemoc (and rxr)
21:17 < mnemoc> hi serwou
21:17 < LMJ> good one
21:17 < LMJ> i think i'm going to stay on that nick for a couple of weeks
21:18 < LMJ> working on a big translation stuff, and they know me as LMJ
21:19 < mnemoc> is that your name?
21:19 < mnemoc> or also a nick
21:19 < mnemoc> ?
21:28 -!- misl [n=chatzill@cc478814-d.mp1.dr.home.nl] has joined #t2
21:28 < misl> hi folks
21:31 < rxr> mnemoc: got a mail from IBM that my open power mail was redirected to the person in charge of their web-page and we most probably will be listed soon as supported on their OpenPower page ,-)
21:35 < mnemoc> :D
21:36 < misl> :D
21:37 < mnemoc> hi misl
21:39 < rxr> hey misl
21:39 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. we should not yet invest time in hurd
21:39 < misl> hi rxr
21:39 < rxr> only if you want to dedicate a lot of free time in getting it going
21:39 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you know?
21:40 < mnemoc> rxr: news from yesterday's talk?
21:40 < rxr> thing is, that it is dog-slow, only runs on old (max Pentiun II) hardware, has still known security issues (like threads are not as isolated as they should be in mach) and the few developers (less than t2 has) are again seeking other stuff
21:40 < rxr> the wanted to use the L4 microkernel and now that they got it mostly running decided L4 is also no the best and look into yet other stuff ....
21:41 < rxr> I think the Hurd kernel will not be usable the next 10 years
21:42 < rxr> due to 3 people are changing it all the time rather than polishing it for initial usability ...
21:42 < rxr> however if you wanna become a hurd kernel hacker ...
21:42 < rxr> I think our time is way better invested into integrating stuff ready for production, OpenDarwin, OpenBSD, ...
21:43 < mnemoc> i prefer elks, freedos and reactos in that case :)
21:44 < rxr> fredos ?
21:44 < rxr> +e
21:44 < mnemoc> i don't like the little devil, and darwin is not atractive
21:44 < rxr> t2 dos ??
21:44 < rxr> my oh my ...
21:44 < mnemoc> :)
21:44 < rxr> that I still see such things in my life ...
21:44 < rxr> well - sure - go for it ,-)
21:44 < mnemoc> i have lot of machines running freedos here
21:46 < rxr> ouhm - maybe we port linux to the MMU of the 80286 to make you even more happy ?
21:50 < mnemoc> elks works there :)
21:51 < rxr> but without MMU, right?
21:51 < rxr> 286 has a 386 a-like protected mode already, just a bit crippled ...
21:51 < rxr> as intel was even less experienced at that time
21:52 < rxr> and you can not exit from the 286 protected mode IIRC and there is no vm86 real mode on it ...
21:52 < rxr> but IIRC aside those limitations it was mostly useful ...
21:52 < rxr> I think there is no linux kernel yet
21:52 < rxr> that does drive the MMU ...
21:54 < mnemoc> elks is designed for 8088 and 8086
21:55 < mnemoc> 286 was the first computer i payed :)
21:55 < valentin> time to drive home again
21:59 < mnemoc> cu valentin
22:02 < rxr> valentin: ouhm
22:02 < rxr> valentin: called you already since I did not tought you would still hang out in AH ...
22:03 < rxr> so susan had some time chatting with kersin ...
22:03 < rxr> /we dinnerH
22:04 < valentin> good apetite :)
22:04 < valentin> cu then...
22:35 * misl off to bed, sleep well all.
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22:38 < demian> re
22:39 < demian> does anyone else receive frecuent HTTP GETs to http://proxyking.servehttp.com:8080/pk/service?service=Echo in the apache logs ?
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23:49 < MisterN> n8
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00:03 < valentin> sepp: using the wrapper would be a solution...
00:08 < sepp> i know that gcc wrapper will work, just not sure if its "the best way"
00:32 < valentin> sepp: to be honest i have no idea (besides messing with makeopts or writing a patch)
00:32 < valentin> i have seen stuff like that in the wrapper, so i think it is ok.
00:32 < valentin> gn8
00:32 < sepp> good night valentin
00:34 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13874 /trunk/package/e17/entropy/entropy.desc: * repriorized entropy after ewl
00:35 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13875 /trunk/package/e17/embrace/embrace.desc: * repriorized embrace after edje
00:37 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13876 /trunk/package/e17/emotion/emotion.desc: * updated emotion (2005-11-14 -> 2005-12-10) - upstream fix for xine-lib 1.1.1
00:38 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13877 /trunk/package/e17/eclair/eclair.conf: * append -lpthread
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01:08 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
01:08 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
01:08 [Users #t2]
01:08 [@ChanServ ] [ demian ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
01:08 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ madtux] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
01:08 [ CIA-9 ] [ kristian] [ mnemoc] [ ojh ] [ sepp] [ Xenos ]
01:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
01:08 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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01:08 < rxr> re
01:10 < sepp> hi rxr
01:10 < rxr> hi sepp
01:11 [Users #t2]
01:11 [@ChanServ ] [ demian ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
01:11 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ madtux] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
01:11 [ CIA-9 ] [ kristian] [ mnemoc] [ ojh ] [ sepp] [ Xenos ]
01:11 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
01:11 < rxr> ok - 18 people around ,-)
01:12 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13878 /trunk/package/e17/evidence/evidence.desc: * fixed [U] typo
01:13 < mnemoc> hi rxr :)
01:15 < demian> bye
01:17 < mnemoc> bye demian
01:33 < sepp> good night all
01:40 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp
02:02 < kristian> moin
02:04 < mnemoc> moin kristian
02:05 < kristian> mnemoc stil awake?
02:05 < mnemoc> [22:05:59]
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02:37 < CIA-9> amery * r13879 /trunk/package/python/setuptools/ (. setuptools.conf setuptools.desc): * added setuptools (0.6a8) - a collection of enhancements to the Python distutils
02:48 < kristian> mnemoc south america?
02:48 < mnemoc> kristian: yes, chile
02:49 < madtux> chile... argentina... its all the same
02:49 < kristian> nice. :) - how is you wether?
02:50 < mnemoc> madtux: .cr, .pr .... its all the same
02:51 < mnemoc> kristian: 35°C :\
02:52 < kristian> ~0 here. but there is just a bit of water between us. - strange. okay let's swap places... ;)
02:52 < mnemoc> madtux: both us colonies
02:53 < mnemoc> kristian: if you pay the tickets, sure :)
02:54 < kristian> mnemoc okay, 'got me.
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07:45 < mipe> hi *
08:24 < kristian> hi mipe
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08:56 < valentin> moin
08:59 < karasz> moin
09:03 < karasz> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/67168
09:03 < karasz> ^^ :)
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09:16 < mtr> moin
09:27 < rxr> re
09:35 < karasz> hi rxr
09:36 < mtr> moin rxr, karasz
09:36 < karasz> hello mtr
09:37 < valentin> moin rxr, how was the talk ?
09:49 < mipe_> so boehm-gc should be working now on x64
09:49 * Xenos is back (gone 11:19:24)
09:49 < Xenos> hloall
09:54 < karasz> hi Xenos
09:59 < rxr> valentin: so lala - but I got a lot of useful contacts here in berlin
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10:42 < valentin> rxr: did you call me ?
10:42 < rxr> not that I know of
10:42 < rxr> but we could phone nontheless
11:21 < rxr> so - rotated RGBA cursor is mostly there
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11:30 < LMJ> Good morning
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12:08 < rxr> moin LMJ
12:08 [Users #t2]
12:08 [@ChanServ ] [ demian ] [ kristian] [ mtr] [ sepp_ ] [ Xenos]
12:08 [ _Ragnar__] [ geekitus] [ LMJ ] [ owl] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
12:08 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr] [ valentin ]
12:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
12:29 < LMJ> how are you rxr ?
12:34 < rxr> fine
12:35 < rxr> ah serwou you are ,-), right?
12:35 < LMJ> yes ;)
12:35 < LMJ> seems i can't specify a nick per channel :-/
12:36 < rxr> .oO
12:36 < Xenos> ...
12:42 < rxr> valentin: rotated RGBA cursors do work with Geode now
12:43 < rxr> XVideo acceleration does not when the screen got rotated, I review if that is fixable some time later
12:43 < rxr> so far I do not care due I normally do not rotate
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12:43 < rxr> DVB-T MPEG2 dump with audio playback took 70% cpu load and just playing mp3 on the box let's xmms consume 2%CPU, including the graphical scrolling and vu-meter ....
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13:13 < rxr> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2088
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13:20 < madtux> moin
13:21 < rxr> moin miguel
13:21 < madtux> :)
13:25 < CIA-9> rene * r13880 /trunk/package/develop/cmake/cmake.desc: * updated cmake (2.0.5 -> 2.2.3)
13:32 < CIA-9> rene * r13881 /trunk/package/base/readline/readline.desc: * updated readline (5.0 -> 5.1)
13:33 < rxr> valentin: btw. sound works on the geode ..., now
13:37 < CIA-9> rene * r13882 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.2.5-4 -> 6.2.5-5)
13:38 < CIA-9> rene * r13883 /trunk/package/security/dropbear/dropbear.desc: * makred dropbear DIETLIBC
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14:39 < valentin> rxr: you are my personal hero
14:41 < demian> ?
14:41 < demian> gd morning
14:41 < valentin> hi demian
14:49 < mnemoc> moin
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15:04 < rxr> moin mnemoc
15:06 < mnemoc> moin rxr
15:08 < demian> hi mnemoc
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15:10 < mnemoc> hi demian
15:11 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you ?
15:12 < mnemoc> good question... :) i guess 'ok'
15:12 < mnemoc> and you?
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15:16 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - jups - all fine
15:18 < mnemoc> nice :)
15:31 < rxr> cu
15:32 < Xenos> does anybody know how to install php 5 with sqlite 3 support?..
15:33 < mnemoc> isn't enabled by php.conf when sqlite is installed?
15:33 < mnemoc> take a look into package/*/php/php.conf and add the missing check and confopt
15:35 < Xenos> em...
15:35 < Xenos> i can't build it
15:36 < Xenos> because php has own sqlite-module included in php-distribution
15:36 < mnemoc> as with mysql
15:37 < mnemoc> but there is a var to force shared and use _external_
15:40 < Xenos> :mnemoc : as with mysql
15:40 < Xenos> no!
15:40 < Xenos> php has a full source-code of sqlite
15:40 < Xenos> but its version is very old :(
15:46 < karasz> hi mnemoc
15:46 < karasz> good to see you back ;)
15:46 < karasz> are you finished with election duties?
15:57 < mnemoc> karasz: there was a draw for president so i have to be again on jan 15 :\
15:58 < mnemoc> Xenos: nothing like --enable-sqlite=/usr/blah/sqllite ?
15:58 < Xenos> no :(
15:59 < mnemoc> ask #php, and i tell you how to do that on t2
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17:20 < Xenos> "Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."
17:20 < Xenos> :)
17:21 < mnemoc> o.o
17:24 < Xenos> mnemoc: :)
17:45 < geekitus_> « Always code as if the guy who ends up
17:45 < geekitus_> maintaining your code will be a violent
17:45 < geekitus_> psychopath who knows where you live. »
17:45 < geekitus_> John F. Woods
17:48 < Xenos> geekitus_: hello
17:49 < geekitus_> hi
17:50 < Xenos> geekitus_: still on sourcemage? :)
17:50 < geekitus_> now i will think in psychopath when i will programm somethings
17:50 < geekitus_> Xenos, oh, no
17:50 < geekitus_> Xenos, i leave sourcemage since 3 months
17:50 < geekitus_> not too stable for me
17:50 < Xenos> :)
17:50 < Xenos> for me too
17:50 < Xenos> t2 rulezz the world
17:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13884 /trunk/package/xorg/xinit/startwm.patch: * rediffed startwm.patch
17:55 < mnemoc> Xenos: t2 should rules the world, but doesn't :\
17:55 < Xenos> !
17:55 < Xenos> will!
17:55 < Xenos> i hope :>
17:56 < mnemoc> nah, most people is lazy or pimp, and they wont use T2
17:56 < Xenos> :)
17:56 < Xenos> it's time to f*ck microsoft.com
17:56 < Xenos> :)
17:56 * Xenos bought some book for hacking in linux
17:57 < Xenos> "_"
17:57 < mnemoc> covers something else than nmap and nessus? ^_^
17:57 < Xenos> :)
17:57 < Xenos> ethereal maybe
17:58 < Xenos> & yep, nmap
17:58 < Xenos> :)
17:58 < mnemoc> yes, i forgot ethereal :p
18:00 < Xenos> :)
18:02 < demian> jeje
18:02 < demian> bye, have fun
18:04 < Xenos> bye, demian
18:26 < mnemoc> rxr: package matrix doesn't handle new 'buildtime' fields
18:41 < CIA-9> amery * r13885 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/ (xpdf.conf xpdf.desc): * updated xpdf (3.01 -> 3.01pl1)
18:46 < rxr> re
18:46 < rxr> where=
18:46 < rxr> ? even
18:46 < rxr> package matrix looks fine IMHO
18:51 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/bash.html
18:51 < rxr> Build time (on reference hardware): 35% (relative to binutils)
18:51 < rxr> mnemoc:do you see something that is defect ?
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18:54 < mnemoc> 35% (relative to binutils), not '%'
18:54 < rxr> oehm
18:54 < rxr> that is official html encoding, right?
18:55 < rxr> just % is not portable, is it ?
18:55 < rxr> mnemoc: what browser are you using?
18:55 < mnemoc> firefox
18:55 < rxr> i intentionally wrote it this way ...
18:55 < rxr> work fine in konqueror ...
18:55 * rxr starting firefox
18:56 < rxr> urgs ...
18:56 < rxr> hm
18:56 < rxr> does firecrap need a space ?
18:56 < rxr> is just % legal html ?
18:56 < mnemoc> i think it's legal
18:57 < mnemoc> i have never seen % entity before
18:57 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/bash.html
18:58 < rxr> with a space firefox renders it ...
18:58 < rxr> oh - wait
18:58 < mnemoc> yes :)
18:58 < rxr> hm
18:58 < mnemoc> shift-refresh :)
18:58 < rxr> but on konqueror I have a spacing distance now ...
18:59 < mnemoc> o.o
18:59 < rxr> ah - no
18:59 < rxr> on firefox space does not work ...
18:59 < rxr> looked into the wrong window ...
18:59 < rxr> firefox sux ...
18:59 < rxr> mozilla crap anyway ...
19:00 < mnemoc> :)
19:00 < rxr> so I use % until someone complaints ...
19:00 < mnemoc> ok ,-)
19:01 < rxr> once I look into the html spec and then it does not work out - bummer ...
19:01 < mnemoc> *g*
19:04 < CIA-9> amery * r13886 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/ (ps.patch.t1lib tetex3.patch.t1lib xpdf.desc): * updated xpdf/t1lib (1.3 -> 5.1.0)
19:04 < rxr> 1.3 -> 5.1.0???
19:05 < rxr> btw we should package the t1lib seperatly
19:05 < rxr> oh - my god ...
19:05 < mnemoc> who else need it?
19:05 < rxr> indeed such a version bump ...
19:06 < rxr> I saw some code pieces here and there
19:06 < mnemoc> yes, i'm not faking :)
19:06 < rxr> I think it is even bundled in tetex
19:06 < rxr> mnemoc: sure - but maybe typo ...
19:06 < mnemoc> o.o
19:06 < rxr> such version bumbs are unusual in t2 ...
19:06 < mnemoc> sure, but sub-packages tend to be forgoten
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19:06 < sepp> moin
19:07 < mnemoc> moin sepp
19:07 < sepp> hi mnemoc
19:08 < rxr> mnemoc: split it ,-)
19:08 < rxr> I could as well though
19:08 < rxr> even debian has a seperate one
19:08 < rxr> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/t1lib
19:10 < mnemoc> on 2.2 it could be splitted
19:10 < mnemoc> but i'm doing merges now :p
19:25 * Xenos is away: smthng 4 anythng
19:28 < rxr> ok - I split
19:28 < mnemoc> :)
19:29 < mnemoc> and if you can remove bundled copies, much better :)
19:30 < mnemoc> OT: i was thinking in 'hooking' build_this_package, to let packages to add extract, config, make and install code on parse-config
19:31 < mnemoc> flist filtering methods, etc..
19:32 < mnemoc> e.g. autoconf adding autoconf support, python adding python support, unzip adding autoextract_zip, etc...
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19:36 < rxr> ack
19:37 < MisterN> hi
19:38 < mnemoc> rxr: great to see you ack-ing :)
19:38 < mnemoc> wb MsN
19:41 < MisterN> traditions are good, right? sometimes, doubt bites me :p
19:41 < mnemoc> a:)
19:41 < mnemoc> -a
19:52 * Xenos is back (gone 00:26:43)
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20:32 < CIA-9> amery * r13887 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/xpdf/ (7 files):
20:32 < CIA-9> * merged 11099,11683,13885 from trunk: updated xpdf (3.00pl3 -> 3.01pl1)
20:32 < CIA-9> * merged 13886 from trunk: updated xpdf/t1lib (1.3 -> 5.1.0)
20:34 < rxr> in a second I commit the split
20:39 < CIA-9> rene * r13888 /trunk/package/graphic/ (7 files in 2 dirs): * split xpdf up into t1lib and xpdf alone
20:39 < rxr> mnemoc: you found t1lib update with the update tracker, don't you ?
20:40 < rxr> didn't you even ...
20:42 < mnemoc> rxr: nope, when i visited xpdf page :)
20:45 < rxr> update tracker notified us on dec the 6th
20:46 < rxr> most probably after I modified it to track more precisely ...
20:48 < mnemoc> my problem with the tracker is the 'step forward' feature
20:48 < mnemoc> so i still use checkver
20:54 < rxr> step forward ?
20:56 < mnemoc> check on diffrent dirs if the dir is versioned
20:56 < mnemoc> i can't use that on 2.1
21:15 < LMJ> hello mnemoc (and rxr)
21:17 < mnemoc> hi serwou
21:17 < LMJ> good one
21:17 < LMJ> i think i'm going to stay on that nick for a couple of weeks
21:18 < LMJ> working on a big translation stuff, and they know me as LMJ
21:19 < mnemoc> is that your name?
21:19 < mnemoc> or also a nick
21:19 < mnemoc> ?
21:28 -!- misl [n=chatzill@cc478814-d.mp1.dr.home.nl] has joined #t2
21:28 < misl> hi folks
21:31 < rxr> mnemoc: got a mail from IBM that my open power mail was redirected to the person in charge of their web-page and we most probably will be listed soon as supported on their OpenPower page ,-)
21:35 < mnemoc> :D
21:36 < misl> :D
21:37 < mnemoc> hi misl
21:39 < rxr> hey misl
21:39 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. we should not yet invest time in hurd
21:39 < misl> hi rxr
21:39 < rxr> only if you want to dedicate a lot of free time in getting it going
21:39 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you know?
21:40 < mnemoc> rxr: news from yesterday's talk?
21:40 < rxr> thing is, that it is dog-slow, only runs on old (max Pentiun II) hardware, has still known security issues (like threads are not as isolated as they should be in mach) and the few developers (less than t2 has) are again seeking other stuff
21:40 < rxr> the wanted to use the L4 microkernel and now that they got it mostly running decided L4 is also no the best and look into yet other stuff ....
21:41 < rxr> I think the Hurd kernel will not be usable the next 10 years
21:42 < rxr> due to 3 people are changing it all the time rather than polishing it for initial usability ...
21:42 < rxr> however if you wanna become a hurd kernel hacker ...
21:42 < rxr> I think our time is way better invested into integrating stuff ready for production, OpenDarwin, OpenBSD, ...
21:43 < mnemoc> i prefer elks, freedos and reactos in that case :)
21:44 < rxr> fredos ?
21:44 < rxr> +e
21:44 < mnemoc> i don't like the little devil, and darwin is not atractive
21:44 < rxr> t2 dos ??
21:44 < rxr> my oh my ...
21:44 < mnemoc> :)
21:44 < rxr> that I still see such things in my life ...
21:44 < rxr> well - sure - go for it ,-)
21:44 < mnemoc> i have lot of machines running freedos here
21:46 < rxr> ouhm - maybe we port linux to the MMU of the 80286 to make you even more happy ?
21:50 < mnemoc> elks works there :)
21:51 < rxr> but without MMU, right?
21:51 < rxr> 286 has a 386 a-like protected mode already, just a bit crippled ...
21:51 < rxr> as intel was even less experienced at that time
21:52 < rxr> and you can not exit from the 286 protected mode IIRC and there is no vm86 real mode on it ...
21:52 < rxr> but IIRC aside those limitations it was mostly useful ...
21:52 < rxr> I think there is no linux kernel yet
21:52 < rxr> that does drive the MMU ...
21:54 < mnemoc> elks is designed for 8088 and 8086
21:55 < mnemoc> 286 was the first computer i payed :)
21:55 < valentin> time to drive home again
21:59 < mnemoc> cu valentin
22:02 < rxr> valentin: ouhm
22:02 < rxr> valentin: called you already since I did not tought you would still hang out in AH ...
22:03 < rxr> so susan had some time chatting with kersin ...
22:03 < rxr> /we dinnerH
22:04 < valentin> good apetite :)
22:04 < valentin> cu then...
22:35 * misl off to bed, sleep well all.
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22:38 < demian> re
22:39 < demian> does anyone else receive frecuent HTTP GETs to http://proxyking.servehttp.com:8080/pk/service?service=Echo in the apache logs ?
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23:49 < MisterN> n8
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