T2 IRC Log: 2005-12-07
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--- Log opened Wed Dec 07 00:00:16 2005
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04:29 < kristian> just wantetd to tell you that you are the best, i think i am going to use hotplug++ - since i am really pissed by all that hotplug and dbus stuff which is just unusable for embedded systems. keep that good work! :-)
04:34 < kristian> though i still have to test it - since it is not really finished. is it? - i need an aoutomount feature for mmc/sd in an backported sd-2.6.12 environment.
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07:08 < ojh> Announce: Initial specifications, design and mockup for the Zirconium Desktop Environment are public at http://zirconium.xisystems.net/
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08:50 < rxr> re
08:51 < rxr> Demian: mnemoc: current subversion can lock documents
08:57 < mipe> http://85.157.36.170:5901/regressions/desktop/regressions.html
09:02 < mipe> hmm, thats wierd, librep finds ncurses during configure but not on build stage
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09:36 < kristian> 'morning guys
09:38 < kristian> rxr can you give me a short status info on hotplug++? - is it usable? can it be used to automount devices?
09:45 < rxr> yes useable - we use it in trunk for over half a year now including commecrial projects
09:45 * rxr breakfast and off to office - cu then
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09:49 < kristian> cu
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11:45 * Xenos welcomes all
11:52 < kristian> hi Xenos
11:52 < Xenos> hello, kristian :)
11:52 < Xenos> new t2-user?
11:52 < Xenos> ;)
11:52 < Xenos> i didn't remember u
11:53 < kristian> maybe an hotplug++ user soon. - after i fixed my kernel. ;)
11:53 < kristian> Xenos well i am in university with rxr and when i read about hotplug++ i just came in.
11:53 < Xenos> heh, nice :)
11:54 < Xenos> u r welcome :>
11:55 < rxr> kristian: you are on my uni ?
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12:52 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
12:52 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
12:52 [Users #t2]
12:52 [ _Ragnar_] [ geekitus] [ mipe_ ] [ mubex_] [ SerWou ]
12:52 [ antimac ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
12:52 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ rene ] [ valentin ]
12:52 [ Demian ] [ kristian] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp_ ] [ Xenos ]
12:52 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
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--- Log closed Wed Dec 07 12:52:39 2005
--- Log opened Wed Dec 07 12:55:29 2005
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13:06 < CIA-9> rene * r13803 /trunk/package/base/automake/parse-config: * do not run config.guess check for sysfiles
13:09 < owl> moin
13:14 < Xenos> moin, owl
13:18 < karasz> hello owlita :)
13:18 < owl> hi karasz , Xenos
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14:24 < demian> hi
14:24 < mnemoc> moin
14:25 < mnemoc> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2005120713245513037
14:26 < demian> at what hour did i quit from here? (read error)
14:27 < mnemoc> i have daily reconnections every 27h
14:27 < mnemoc> rxr: i think fixing .la to honor .a relocation is better than keeping .a at /lib.
14:28 < rxr> mnemoc: hm
14:28 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - so I revert the removal of this code in trunk and add a generic sed translation ?
14:29 < mnemoc> rxr: feels fine
14:29 < rxr> 2005120714241530817 [by netrunner]
14:29 < rxr>
14:29 < rxr> Andreas V. Meier:
14:29 < rxr> add hal
14:29 < mnemoc> :)
14:29 < rxr> hehe - half a year after t2 ...
14:29 < rxr> 2005120713502813504 [by netrunner]
14:29 < rxr>
14:29 < rxr> Andreas V. Meier:
14:29 < rxr> add dbus
14:29 < rxr> whohoo
14:29 < mnemoc> their users base is every day smaller
14:29 < Xenos> rxr: t2 rules the world
14:30 < Xenos> :)
14:30 < Xenos> hi mnemoc, rxr
14:30 < mnemoc> hi vixen
14:30 < Xenos> hmmm :)
14:30 < Xenos> mnemoc: nice idea to change my nick
14:30 < Xenos> :)
14:31 < mnemoc> :)
14:31 < Xenos> :(
14:31 < CIA-9> rene * r13804 /trunk/package/network/whois/whois.desc: * updated whois (4.7.8 -> 4.7.9)
14:31 < Xenos> /msg nickserv info vixen
14:31 < Xenos> =(((
14:31 < demian> Xenos: ?
14:31 < Xenos> this nick is already registered..
14:32 < mnemoc> Senos: is VX also registered?
14:32 < Xenos> VX is mine :)
14:32 < Xenos> heh, ok, i'll be VX
14:32 < demian> doing some stats at #commits, mono gentoo and gnome are the projects with more commited changes i think.
14:33 < Xenos> =NickServ= Linked Nicknames (first is master):
14:33 < Xenos> =NickServ= 1) Xenos
14:33 < Xenos> =NickServ= 2) VX
14:33 < Xenos> =NickServ= The master nickname for your link has been changed to [VX]
14:33 < Xenos> :)
14:35 < demian> i have around a year without change freenode services or account info i think. are there new features that one could appreciate ?
14:35 -!- Xenos is now known as VX
14:35 < VX> :>
14:35 < CIA-9> rene * r13805 /trunk/package/network/curl/curl.desc: * updated curl (7.15.0 -> 7.15.1)
14:35 < VX> hi, mnemoc
14:36 < VX> :)
14:36 < VX> hi, rxr
14:37 < mnemoc> hi vixen
14:37 < VX> :)
14:37 < karasz> hi mnemoc
14:37 < VX> hi karasz
14:37 < mnemoc> hi karasz
14:37 < VX> :)
14:37 < VX> :)))))))))))
14:37 < VX> nice
14:37 < CIA-9> rene * r13806 /trunk/package/printing/cups-pdf/ (AllAnonUser.patch ForcedUserpatch):
14:37 < CIA-9> * removed the AllAnonUser.patch for cups-pdf and implemented a more
14:37 < CIA-9> universally useful ForcedUser option that allows enforing any
14:37 < CIA-9> user including the AnonUser if a invalid one is enforced and
14:37 < CIA-9> AnonUser allowed
14:37 < demian> VX is cool.
14:38 < VX> :)
14:38 < VX> hi demian
14:39 < demian> hi VX
14:43 < rxr> ouhm - damned the last commit patch is misnamed ...
14:43 * rxr should Build-Pkg the patchse I do ...
14:43 < rxr> f*ck
14:43 < mnemoc> ForcedUserpatch... very osX name
14:44 < rxr> the name of the option
14:44 < rxr> just the dot missing
14:44 < rxr> the rest if sine
14:44 < rxr> is fine
14:44 < mnemoc> *g*
14:45 < rxr> mnemoc: aporpos the first patches for the new dual core Macs hit my inbox
14:45 < mnemoc> :D
14:46 < karasz> :D
14:46 < rxr> but as far as I heared the fans will spinn at full speed and thus very loudly until fan control is implemented ...
14:46 < rxr> but I try to boot it this evening / night
14:46 < rxr> first contract work ..
14:49 < CIA-9> rene * r13807 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/cups/cups-pdf.conf:
14:49 < CIA-9> * changed the archivista target to preconfigure the new ForcedUser
14:49 < CIA-9> option of cups-pdf and print PostScript instread of PDF that can
14:49 < CIA-9> be post-processed using ghostscript
14:50 < CIA-9> rene * r13808 /trunk/package/printing/cups-pdf/ (ForcedUser.patch ForcedUserpatch): * renamed the cups-pdf/ForcedUserpatch to include a dot
14:55 < CIA-9> rene * r13809 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/status.sh: * added the mail server to the archivista status overview
15:21 < CIA-9> rene * r13810 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/cups-setup.sh: * changed archivista/cups-setup.sh, now we use a raw queue in cups
15:25 < CIA-9> rene * r13811 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/keys: * added alt-tab window toggling to archivista
15:34 < CIA-9> rene * r13812 /trunk/target/archivista/kernel.conf.sh:
15:34 < CIA-9> * disabled eth1394 for the archivista target since we do not want to let
15:34 < CIA-9> it accidently take over eth0
15:35 < rxr> mnemoc: any proposal for a tiny as possible mail command line tool that sends mail directly to the smtp server of the specified "To:" ?
15:36 < mnemoc> uhm
15:37 < mnemoc> why directly?
15:37 < rxr> archivista box mail notifications - as least setup possible and least stuff that can break over time
15:38 < mnemoc> nullmailer + smtp auth & archivista?
15:38 < mnemoc> s/\&/@/
15:39 < rxr> amtp auth ?
15:39 < rxr> smtp
15:40 < rxr> optionally a mail server (I choose exim because I know it best) can be setup on the box anyway to inject content via mail into the database
15:40 < mnemoc> i mean nullmailer set on archivista box
15:41 < rxr> though I configured it to accept mail for any domain by default - so one does not need to perform setup taks for the mail server
15:41 < mnemoc> to deliver via smtp-auth to a fixed smtp-auth server on archivista
15:41 < rxr> and the mail can sent to whatever domain an internal nameserver might point to
15:41 < mnemoc> uhm
15:42 < rxr> I wonder if the user should rather specify some domain setup so I can use exim to send mail out ...
15:42 < rxr> damn
15:42 < mnemoc> btw, the best command line mail client is 'nail'
15:42 < rxr> video recorder a-like setup for a full blown document management solution in a box is quite - well - non-sraightforward ...
15:42 < mnemoc> http://nail.sourceforge.net/
15:42 < rxr> this old BSD something thing ?
15:43 < mnemoc> nope
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15:43 < mnemoc> it even has bayesian spam control and off-line imap :)
15:43 < rxr> upports SMTP to send messages directly to a remote server.
15:43 < rxr> ^- neat
15:43 < rxr> so nail and let it deliver the mail that way
15:43 < rxr> should work, right ?
15:44 < mnemoc> yes
15:44 < rxr> # ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg nail
15:44 < rxr> checking nail ... Not installed. Added.
15:44 < rxr> Packages scheduled to build: nail
15:44 < rxr> cool
15:44 < rxr> even packaged ,-)
15:45 < mnemoc> :)
15:47 < rxr> nail is derived from Berkeley Mail
15:47 < rxr> 15:42 < rxr> this old BSD something thing ?
15:47 < rxr> so yes
15:47 < mnemoc> yes, but it's not mailx
15:47 < mnemoc> it's far more
15:47 < rxr> when I want far less ...
15:48 < rxr> but well - aynthing that does just send via smtp is taken ...
15:49 < mnemoc> having a fixed smtp/smtp-auth server, nullmailer+mailx is the best choice
15:49 < rxr> ahm - nail wants a smtp server
15:50 < rxr> that is not what I need - I wanted to sent to the MX record server not to some gateway
15:50 < mnemoc> mail++
15:50 < rxr> mail++?
15:50 < mnemoc> @exactcode.de
15:50 < rxr> google or I should start coding ?
15:50 < rxr> haha - no thanks ,-)
15:50 < mnemoc> :)
15:50 < rxr> # mine -rf nail
15:50 < rxr> bash: mine: command not found
15:51 < rxr> I love this archivista box - free of legacy ,-)
15:51 < mnemoc> o.o
15:51 < mnemoc> :)
15:51 < mnemoc> bize ?
15:51 < rxr> cut -d ' ' -f 2 /var/adm/flists/nail | xargs rm -v
15:51 < rxr> mnemoc: it is a live cd with complete system install - no package manager at all
15:51 < mnemoc> expectable
15:52 < rxr> cut -d ' ' -f 2 /var/adm/flists/nail | xargs rm -vr <- for googlers ...
15:52 < rxr> so - darn
15:52 < rxr> what do I do with this mail thingy ...
15:52 < rxr> I think just configure exim to a fixed domain and thus let it send out mail just fine ...
15:53 < mnemoc> why not nullmailer?
15:53 < rxr> I do not want another complex daemon and on exactcode.de I have the problem that it dies sometimes from sysv init ...
15:54 < mnemoc> nullmailer is designed to run supervised
15:54 < rxr> that is why sometimes (mostly after power-down reboots) nullmailer is fucked up there ...
15:54 < mnemoc> ok, exim.
15:54 < rxr> mnemoc: so what? for true
15:54 < rxr> loop in nullmailer.init ?
15:54 < rxr> I had no spare time and fun to track that ...
15:55 < mnemoc> uhm...
15:55 < mnemoc> the problem on the loop is how to stop it
15:55 < rxr> 2005-12-07 15:54:10 1Ek0g4-0004bx-24 ** rene@exactcode.de R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:: host mx1.exactcode.de [212.202.42.30]: 550-Verification failed for \n550-Unrouteable address\n550 Sender verify failed
15:55 < rxr> 2005-12-07 15:54:10 1Ek0gM-0004c3-FU <= <> R=1Ek0g4-0004bx-24 U=exim P=local S=1246
15:55 < rxr> 2005-12-07 15:54:10 1Ek0gM-0004c3-FU ** root@localhost: Unrouteable address
15:56 < rxr> ok - my own mail server is too strict to take such bare messags without a real domain in it ...
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15:58 < mnemoc> nullmailer use 'me' 'defaultdomain' and 'defaulthost' config files
16:02 < rxr> i know
16:03 < mnemoc> :)
16:04 < rxr> that was sent via exim
16:07 < mnemoc> why archivista.ch can't provide smtp to their clients?
16:07 < rxr> the clients are world wide and it can be security related
16:07 < rxr> you don't want to let those mails go half around the world when it is just backup or so notifications for in-house use
16:08 < mnemoc> ok
16:08 < mnemoc> and what about asking for an smtp during installation?
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: I think I go nullmailer
16:12 < rxr> and yes, there is various setup in the right click desktop menu
16:12 < rxr> if setup is needed it goes there
16:12 < rxr> but you know joe users, I want it as least breakable and dumb as possible otherwise those joes will not garsp it ...
16:13 < mnemoc> default smtp at archivista.ch, 'advanced' users can change it to a closer one?
16:13 < rxr> I doubt they want to provide a mail relay ...
16:13 < mnemoc> smtp at archivista.ch can pre-pend a text reminding users to change their smtp
16:14 < mnemoc> just to have a working default.
16:28 < CIA-9> amery * r13813 /trunk/package/perl/perl-io-zlib/ (. perl-io-zlib.desc): * added perl-io-zlib (1.04) - IO:: style interface to Compress::Zlib
16:29 < CIA-9> amery * r13814 /trunk/package/perl/perl-archive-tar/ (. perl-archive-tar.desc): * added perl-archive-tar (1.26) - perl module for manipulations of tar archives
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16:48 < VX> hi all again :)
16:54 < rxr> hi VX
17:06 < demian> wb VX
17:10 < rxr> damn - just pulled the wrong, outdated ppc64 git tree ..
17:10 < rxr> damn - how I hate git fluff ...
17:11 < mnemoc> are you using the helper?
17:11 < mnemoc> or git-* ?
17:12 < rxr> git
17:12 < rxr> and I only clone, I'll never use it to manage or contribute code
17:12 < rxr> I'll not waste my precious time with this crappy versioning wannabe ..
17:13 < mnemoc> cogito makes it usable
17:13 < mnemoc> at least a bit more :)
17:14 < rxr> I only want to try out code - the people can get a unified diff if I work on code
17:15 < rxr> something less usable then subversion is not for me
17:15 < rxr> the only other thing is SANE CVS, where I have to push my code in a few times a year
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17:15 < rxr> and my intermediate code is in a svn repository ...
17:15 < rxr> until they move to SVN they get a multple hundred kB CVS commit every quater ...
17:17 < demian> need a free svn repository server for some days, know about one?
17:17 < demian> not for opensource projects.
17:18 < rxr> berlios or gnu savanah
17:18 < rxr> if it is something for the public you can get one on http://svn.exactcode.de
17:18 < rxr> if it is not for the public you can use it locally on file:///...
17:18 < demian> ok, it will be public but encripted then, thanks.
17:19 < demian> i want it to be hosted on internet to allow access from several locations.. just as a back up repository really.
17:27 < rxr> hm
17:27 < rxr> damn - our x86 kernel lack apple partition support and thus I can not inject files onto the powermac mounted via firewire with the big box in target disk mode ... - damn
17:29 < rxr> I also wonder why I get two firewire devices - think the mac only has one HD ...
17:29 < rxr> strange
17:29 < mnemoc> fully modular? ,-)
17:37 < mnemoc> build/ref-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/flists/dbus:dbus: usr/lib/mono/gac/dbus-sharp/0.33.0.0__9eef2692033670f5/dbus-sharp.dll
17:37 < mnemoc> ^--- yuck
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17:49 < mnemoc> rxr: any news about morfoh?
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18:26 < rxr> mnemoc: nope
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18:37 < karasz> cu tommorow
18:37 < karasz> bye
18:39 < rxr> re
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19:06 < demian> bye
19:36 < rxr> setjump stuff in dietlibc is broken on ppc64 :-(/
19:37 < rxr> pdksh fails to built with it ...
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19:45 < mnemoc> fefe would be glad to receive your fixes :)
19:47 < rxr> right now I would be glad about a life-sign from him
19:48 < rxr> I sent some stuff without answer and there is no mail on the dietlibc list from him for months ...
19:48 < rxr> quite annoying
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19:48 < mnemoc> oh
19:50 < rxr> if more people in berlin start to disappear I should move soon to another city ...
19:50 < rxr> however fefe did other stuff - e.g. some netboot howto on his homepage
19:51 < rxr> so he is at least doing something
19:51 < rxr> though I wonder why anyone with his knowledge would publish a PAX howto ...
19:54 * rxr grabbing the next git tree
19:54 < rxr> damn kernel development
19:55 < rxr> where one never knows what strange freeky tree people use the day (tm) and the usual git war ...
19:56 < rxr> soon 20 git trees will consume more psace on the HD than the two t2 trees with it's associated downloads ...
19:58 < mnemoc> development administrations i hate: mozilla, ooo, eclipse, linux, glibc.
19:58 < rxr> dietlibc is not on the list ? *g*
19:59 < mnemoc> single-man-projects are excluded :)
20:01 < CIA-9> amery * r13815 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk-sharp2/gtk-sharp2.desc: * downdated gtk-sharp2 (2.5.92 -> 2.4.0) - no reason to use an old development branch (current is 2.7.1 anyway)
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20:30 < mnemoc> rxr: perl needs bdb available to build DB_File, but perl is built on stage 3 and bdb on stage 5. suggestions?
20:31 < mnemoc> rxr: move packages needed DB_File to stage 7?
20:31 < mnemoc> needing*
20:37 < mnemoc> does fefe really beliave in this? http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/Xenu-A4.pdf
20:39 < mnemoc> rxr: and the last question, what's the module that emulates oss over alsa?
20:39 < _Ragnar_> re
20:40 < mnemoc> wb _Ragnar_
20:40 < _Ragnar_> thx mnemoc ;)
20:41 < _Ragnar_> move bdb to 3 and build before perl?
20:42 < _Ragnar_> or is that another can of worms?
20:44 < mnemoc> X ---3---7-- 104.400 perl perl 5.8.6 / base/development DIETLIBC NOPARALLEL FPIC-QUIRK 0
20:44 < mnemoc> O -----5---- 104.700 database bdb33 3.3.11 / base/library 0
20:44 < mnemoc> X -----5---- 107.000 database bdb 4.3.28 / base/library 0
20:45 < mnemoc> i would like to move bdb before perl on stage 3.... but i'm not sure about the problems it may produce
20:45 < CIA-9> amery * r13816 /branches/2.1/package/perl/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
20:45 < CIA-9> * merged 13814 from trunk: added perl-archive-tar (1.26) - perl module for manipulations of tar archives
20:45 < CIA-9> * merged 13813 from trunk: added perl-io-zlib (1.04) - IO:: style interface to Compress::Zlib
20:53 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - move perl to stage 5 I would say
20:53 < rxr> snd-pxm-oss
20:53 < rxr> snd-mixer-oss
20:54 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - or add bdb there ...
20:54 < mnemoc> moving bdb to 3-104.300 seems safer than pushing perl to stage 5
20:55 < rxr> well - perl was there for linux and suxh
20:55 < rxr> however in the meantime we build a cross perl in stage 1 ...
20:55 < rxr> but leaving it in stage 3 is indeed safer
21:02 < CIA-9> rene * r13817 /trunk/package/network/vblade/vblade.desc: * updated vblade (9 -> 10)
21:14 < rxr> GCC 3.4.5 has been released
21:14 < mnemoc> 2.1.2 :)
21:15 < rxr> ack
21:15 < mnemoc> rxr: did builddir php patch actually moved the files into the right dir?
21:16 < rxr> I think so
21:16 < rxr> doesn't it work for you ?
21:16 < mnemoc> Installing build environment: /usr/lib/php/build/
21:16 < mnemoc> i get that ---^
21:16 < mnemoc> but flist inside the files are misslocated
21:16 < mnemoc> insist*
21:16 < rxr> hm
21:31 < mnemoc> .oO( why xscreensaver depends on everything? )o
21:32 < _Ragnar_> I asked myself that, too
21:45 < mnemoc> jsaw,rxr: does rockplug honor modprobe.conf ? somehow i can't re-do what alsaconf set
21:55 < CIA-9> amery * r13818 /branches/2.1/package/ (7 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
21:55 < CIA-9> * updated gtk-sharp2 (1.9.5 -> 2.4.0)
21:55 < CIA-9> * merged 11821,12884,13433 from trunk: updated mono (1.1.8.3 -> 1.1.10)
21:55 < CIA-9> * merged 11822,12887,13435 from trunk: updated mod_mono (1.0.9 -> 1.1.10)
21:55 < CIA-9> * merged 11823,12886,13434 from trunk: updated mono-xsp (1.0.9 -> 1.1.10)
21:55 < CIA-9> * merged 12885,13437 from trunk: updated mono-doc (1.0.7 -> 1.1.10)
21:55 < CIA-9> * merged 12882 from trunk: updated gtkmozembed-sharp (0.10 -> 0.11)
22:06 < rxr> mnemoc: ? rockplug only calls modprobe - of course that does ue modprobe.conf
22:06 < mnemoc> that's what i thought...
22:07 < mnemoc> lsmod before and after alsaconf are identical
22:07 < mnemoc> but before alsaconf audio doesn't work, but after it does.
22:09 < CIA-9> amery * r13819 /branches/2.1/package/powerpc/mac-fdisk/install-man.patch: * fixed mac-fdisk to install man pages, forgotten on r13742
22:14 < mnemoc> rxr: did you notice emacs is broken on 2.1? http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/5-emacs.err.txt
22:15 * VX is away: dropped to bed.. -_-
22:16 < VX> 'night all ;)
22:16 < mnemoc> gn8 vixen
22:41 < CIA-9> amery * r13820 /branches/2.1/package/xfce4/xfmedia/ (. xfmedia.desc xfmedia.desc): * merged 13312 from trunk: added xfmedia (0.9.1)
22:54 < CIA-9> amery * r13821 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-editor/gst-editor.desc: * fixed gst-editor's [U]
22:59 < rxr> netbooting Apple's stinks
22:59 < CIA-9> amery * r13822 /trunk/package/zope/cpssharedcalendar/ (. cpssharedcalendar.desc): * added cpssharedcalendar (1.0.0) - An advanced, flexible calendaring component for CPS3
22:59 < rxr> sgi is way more comfortable and pleasant experience
23:02 < rxr> how often do I build software on my router:
23:02 < rxr> Found 707 new/updated files in source tree:
23:02 < rxr> -> ** list truncated to save space on the terminal **
23:03 < mnemoc> :)
23:07 < rxr> ah - so - finally
23:07 < rxr> netloaded yaboot on the dual core box
23:07 < rxr> (and I should be long in bed=)
23:07 * rxr wonders where valentin was today ...
23:08 < mnemoc> can you sleep with that fan?
23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I have 2 rooms in my flat
23:09 < rxr> I never sleep near the roaring rs6k and athlon
23:10 < rxr> not to speak when the ultra sparc 30 or sgi Octane is up ...
23:10 < mnemoc> what's more noisy?
23:14 < rxr> when the new g5 falls back into emergency "all fans on" mode (due to no update of fan controls for 2minutes or so) it is the louded
23:14 < rxr> the sgi octane and sparc are equally noisy - followed by the rs6k and athlon
23:15 * rxr bad
23:15 * rxr bed
23:15 < rxr> n8 all
23:15 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
23:20 < CIA-9> amery * r13823 /trunk/package/zope/cpssharedcalendar/cpssharedcalendar.desc: * updated cpssharedcalendar (1.0.0 -> 1.3.3)
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04:29 < kristian> just wantetd to tell you that you are the best, i think i am going to use hotplug++ - since i am really pissed by all that hotplug and dbus stuff which is just unusable for embedded systems. keep that good work! :-)
04:34 < kristian> though i still have to test it - since it is not really finished. is it? - i need an aoutomount feature for mmc/sd in an backported sd-2.6.12 environment.
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07:08 < ojh> Announce: Initial specifications, design and mockup for the Zirconium Desktop Environment are public at http://zirconium.xisystems.net/
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08:50 < rxr> re
08:51 < rxr> Demian: mnemoc: current subversion can lock documents
08:57 < mipe> http://85.157.36.170:5901/regressions/desktop/regressions.html
09:02 < mipe> hmm, thats wierd, librep finds ncurses during configure but not on build stage
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09:36 < kristian> 'morning guys
09:38 < kristian> rxr can you give me a short status info on hotplug++? - is it usable? can it be used to automount devices?
09:45 < rxr> yes useable - we use it in trunk for over half a year now including commecrial projects
09:45 * rxr breakfast and off to office - cu then
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09:49 < kristian> cu
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11:45 * Xenos welcomes all
11:52 < kristian> hi Xenos
11:52 < Xenos> hello, kristian :)
11:52 < Xenos> new t2-user?
11:52 < Xenos> ;)
11:52 < Xenos> i didn't remember u
11:53 < kristian> maybe an hotplug++ user soon. - after i fixed my kernel. ;)
11:53 < kristian> Xenos well i am in university with rxr and when i read about hotplug++ i just came in.
11:53 < Xenos> heh, nice :)
11:54 < Xenos> u r welcome :>
11:55 < rxr> kristian: you are on my uni ?
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12:52 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
12:52 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
12:52 [Users #t2]
12:52 [ _Ragnar_] [ geekitus] [ mipe_ ] [ mubex_] [ SerWou ]
12:52 [ antimac ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
12:52 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ rene ] [ valentin ]
12:52 [ Demian ] [ kristian] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp_ ] [ Xenos ]
12:52 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
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13:06 < CIA-9> rene * r13803 /trunk/package/base/automake/parse-config: * do not run config.guess check for sysfiles
13:09 < owl> moin
13:14 < Xenos> moin, owl
13:18 < karasz> hello owlita :)
13:18 < owl> hi karasz , Xenos
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14:24 < demian> hi
14:24 < mnemoc> moin
14:25 < mnemoc> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2005120713245513037
14:26 < demian> at what hour did i quit from here? (read error)
14:27 < mnemoc> i have daily reconnections every 27h
14:27 < mnemoc> rxr: i think fixing .la to honor .a relocation is better than keeping .a at /lib.
14:28 < rxr> mnemoc: hm
14:28 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - so I revert the removal of this code in trunk and add a generic sed translation ?
14:29 < mnemoc> rxr: feels fine
14:29 < rxr> 2005120714241530817 [by netrunner]
14:29 < rxr>
14:29 < rxr> Andreas V. Meier:
14:29 < rxr> add hal
14:29 < mnemoc> :)
14:29 < rxr> hehe - half a year after t2 ...
14:29 < rxr> 2005120713502813504 [by netrunner]
14:29 < rxr>
14:29 < rxr> Andreas V. Meier:
14:29 < rxr> add dbus
14:29 < rxr> whohoo
14:29 < mnemoc> their users base is every day smaller
14:29 < Xenos> rxr: t2 rules the world
14:30 < Xenos> :)
14:30 < Xenos> hi mnemoc, rxr
14:30 < mnemoc> hi vixen
14:30 < Xenos> hmmm :)
14:30 < Xenos> mnemoc: nice idea to change my nick
14:30 < Xenos> :)
14:31 < mnemoc> :)
14:31 < Xenos> :(
14:31 < CIA-9> rene * r13804 /trunk/package/network/whois/whois.desc: * updated whois (4.7.8 -> 4.7.9)
14:31 < Xenos> /msg nickserv info vixen
14:31 < Xenos> =(((
14:31 < demian> Xenos: ?
14:31 < Xenos> this nick is already registered..
14:32 < mnemoc> Senos: is VX also registered?
14:32 < Xenos> VX is mine :)
14:32 < Xenos> heh, ok, i'll be VX
14:32 < demian> doing some stats at #commits, mono gentoo and gnome are the projects with more commited changes i think.
14:33 < Xenos> =NickServ= Linked Nicknames (first is master):
14:33 < Xenos> =NickServ= 1) Xenos
14:33 < Xenos> =NickServ= 2) VX
14:33 < Xenos> =NickServ= The master nickname for your link has been changed to [VX]
14:33 < Xenos> :)
14:35 < demian> i have around a year without change freenode services or account info i think. are there new features that one could appreciate ?
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14:35 < VX> :>
14:35 < CIA-9> rene * r13805 /trunk/package/network/curl/curl.desc: * updated curl (7.15.0 -> 7.15.1)
14:35 < VX> hi, mnemoc
14:36 < VX> :)
14:36 < VX> hi, rxr
14:37 < mnemoc> hi vixen
14:37 < VX> :)
14:37 < karasz> hi mnemoc
14:37 < VX> hi karasz
14:37 < mnemoc> hi karasz
14:37 < VX> :)
14:37 < VX> :)))))))))))
14:37 < VX> nice
14:37 < CIA-9> rene * r13806 /trunk/package/printing/cups-pdf/ (AllAnonUser.patch ForcedUserpatch):
14:37 < CIA-9> * removed the AllAnonUser.patch for cups-pdf and implemented a more
14:37 < CIA-9> universally useful ForcedUser option that allows enforing any
14:37 < CIA-9> user including the AnonUser if a invalid one is enforced and
14:37 < CIA-9> AnonUser allowed
14:37 < demian> VX is cool.
14:38 < VX> :)
14:38 < VX> hi demian
14:39 < demian> hi VX
14:43 < rxr> ouhm - damned the last commit patch is misnamed ...
14:43 * rxr should Build-Pkg the patchse I do ...
14:43 < rxr> f*ck
14:43 < mnemoc> ForcedUserpatch... very osX name
14:44 < rxr> the name of the option
14:44 < rxr> just the dot missing
14:44 < rxr> the rest if sine
14:44 < rxr> is fine
14:44 < mnemoc> *g*
14:45 < rxr> mnemoc: aporpos the first patches for the new dual core Macs hit my inbox
14:45 < mnemoc> :D
14:46 < karasz> :D
14:46 < rxr> but as far as I heared the fans will spinn at full speed and thus very loudly until fan control is implemented ...
14:46 < rxr> but I try to boot it this evening / night
14:46 < rxr> first contract work ..
14:49 < CIA-9> rene * r13807 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/cups/cups-pdf.conf:
14:49 < CIA-9> * changed the archivista target to preconfigure the new ForcedUser
14:49 < CIA-9> option of cups-pdf and print PostScript instread of PDF that can
14:49 < CIA-9> be post-processed using ghostscript
14:50 < CIA-9> rene * r13808 /trunk/package/printing/cups-pdf/ (ForcedUser.patch ForcedUserpatch): * renamed the cups-pdf/ForcedUserpatch to include a dot
14:55 < CIA-9> rene * r13809 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/status.sh: * added the mail server to the archivista status overview
15:21 < CIA-9> rene * r13810 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/cups-setup.sh: * changed archivista/cups-setup.sh, now we use a raw queue in cups
15:25 < CIA-9> rene * r13811 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/keys: * added alt-tab window toggling to archivista
15:34 < CIA-9> rene * r13812 /trunk/target/archivista/kernel.conf.sh:
15:34 < CIA-9> * disabled eth1394 for the archivista target since we do not want to let
15:34 < CIA-9> it accidently take over eth0
15:35 < rxr> mnemoc: any proposal for a tiny as possible mail command line tool that sends mail directly to the smtp server of the specified "To:" ?
15:36 < mnemoc> uhm
15:37 < mnemoc> why directly?
15:37 < rxr> archivista box mail notifications - as least setup possible and least stuff that can break over time
15:38 < mnemoc> nullmailer + smtp auth & archivista?
15:38 < mnemoc> s/\&/@/
15:39 < rxr> amtp auth ?
15:39 < rxr> smtp
15:40 < rxr> optionally a mail server (I choose exim because I know it best) can be setup on the box anyway to inject content via mail into the database
15:40 < mnemoc> i mean nullmailer set on archivista box
15:41 < rxr> though I configured it to accept mail for any domain by default - so one does not need to perform setup taks for the mail server
15:41 < mnemoc> to deliver via smtp-auth to a fixed smtp-auth server on archivista
15:41 < rxr> and the mail can sent to whatever domain an internal nameserver might point to
15:41 < mnemoc> uhm
15:42 < rxr> I wonder if the user should rather specify some domain setup so I can use exim to send mail out ...
15:42 < rxr> damn
15:42 < mnemoc> btw, the best command line mail client is 'nail'
15:42 < rxr> video recorder a-like setup for a full blown document management solution in a box is quite - well - non-sraightforward ...
15:42 < mnemoc> http://nail.sourceforge.net/
15:42 < rxr> this old BSD something thing ?
15:43 < mnemoc> nope
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15:43 < mnemoc> it even has bayesian spam control and off-line imap :)
15:43 < rxr> upports SMTP to send messages directly to a remote server.
15:43 < rxr> ^- neat
15:43 < rxr> so nail and let it deliver the mail that way
15:43 < rxr> should work, right ?
15:44 < mnemoc> yes
15:44 < rxr> # ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg nail
15:44 < rxr> checking nail ... Not installed. Added.
15:44 < rxr> Packages scheduled to build: nail
15:44 < rxr> cool
15:44 < rxr> even packaged ,-)
15:45 < mnemoc> :)
15:47 < rxr> nail is derived from Berkeley Mail
15:47 < rxr> 15:42 < rxr> this old BSD something thing ?
15:47 < rxr> so yes
15:47 < mnemoc> yes, but it's not mailx
15:47 < mnemoc> it's far more
15:47 < rxr> when I want far less ...
15:48 < rxr> but well - aynthing that does just send via smtp is taken ...
15:49 < mnemoc> having a fixed smtp/smtp-auth server, nullmailer+mailx is the best choice
15:49 < rxr> ahm - nail wants a smtp server
15:50 < rxr> that is not what I need - I wanted to sent to the MX record server not to some gateway
15:50 < mnemoc> mail++
15:50 < rxr> mail++?
15:50 < mnemoc> @exactcode.de
15:50 < rxr> google or I should start coding ?
15:50 < rxr> haha - no thanks ,-)
15:50 < mnemoc> :)
15:50 < rxr> # mine -rf nail
15:50 < rxr> bash: mine: command not found
15:51 < rxr> I love this archivista box - free of legacy ,-)
15:51 < mnemoc> o.o
15:51 < mnemoc> :)
15:51 < mnemoc> bize ?
15:51 < rxr> cut -d ' ' -f 2 /var/adm/flists/nail | xargs rm -v
15:51 < rxr> mnemoc: it is a live cd with complete system install - no package manager at all
15:51 < mnemoc> expectable
15:52 < rxr> cut -d ' ' -f 2 /var/adm/flists/nail | xargs rm -vr <- for googlers ...
15:52 < rxr> so - darn
15:52 < rxr> what do I do with this mail thingy ...
15:52 < rxr> I think just configure exim to a fixed domain and thus let it send out mail just fine ...
15:53 < mnemoc> why not nullmailer?
15:53 < rxr> I do not want another complex daemon and on exactcode.de I have the problem that it dies sometimes from sysv init ...
15:54 < mnemoc> nullmailer is designed to run supervised
15:54 < rxr> that is why sometimes (mostly after power-down reboots) nullmailer is fucked up there ...
15:54 < mnemoc> ok, exim.
15:54 < rxr> mnemoc: so what? for true
15:54 < rxr> loop in nullmailer.init ?
15:54 < rxr> I had no spare time and fun to track that ...
15:55 < mnemoc> uhm...
15:55 < mnemoc> the problem on the loop is how to stop it
15:55 < rxr> 2005-12-07 15:54:10 1Ek0g4-0004bx-24 ** rene@exactcode.de R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:
15:55 < rxr> 2005-12-07 15:54:10 1Ek0gM-0004c3-FU <= <> R=1Ek0g4-0004bx-24 U=exim P=local S=1246
15:55 < rxr> 2005-12-07 15:54:10 1Ek0gM-0004c3-FU ** root@localhost: Unrouteable address
15:56 < rxr> ok - my own mail server is too strict to take such bare messags without a real domain in it ...
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15:58 < mnemoc> nullmailer use 'me' 'defaultdomain' and 'defaulthost' config files
16:02 < rxr> i know
16:03 < mnemoc> :)
16:04 < rxr> that was sent via exim
16:07 < mnemoc> why archivista.ch can't provide smtp to their clients?
16:07 < rxr> the clients are world wide and it can be security related
16:07 < rxr> you don't want to let those mails go half around the world when it is just backup or so notifications for in-house use
16:08 < mnemoc> ok
16:08 < mnemoc> and what about asking for an smtp during installation?
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: I think I go nullmailer
16:12 < rxr> and yes, there is various setup in the right click desktop menu
16:12 < rxr> if setup is needed it goes there
16:12 < rxr> but you know joe users, I want it as least breakable and dumb as possible otherwise those joes will not garsp it ...
16:13 < mnemoc> default smtp at archivista.ch, 'advanced' users can change it to a closer one?
16:13 < rxr> I doubt they want to provide a mail relay ...
16:13 < mnemoc> smtp at archivista.ch can pre-pend a text reminding users to change their smtp
16:14 < mnemoc> just to have a working default.
16:28 < CIA-9> amery * r13813 /trunk/package/perl/perl-io-zlib/ (. perl-io-zlib.desc): * added perl-io-zlib (1.04) - IO:: style interface to Compress::Zlib
16:29 < CIA-9> amery * r13814 /trunk/package/perl/perl-archive-tar/ (. perl-archive-tar.desc): * added perl-archive-tar (1.26) - perl module for manipulations of tar archives
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16:48 < VX> hi all again :)
16:54 < rxr> hi VX
17:06 < demian> wb VX
17:10 < rxr> damn - just pulled the wrong, outdated ppc64 git tree ..
17:10 < rxr> damn - how I hate git fluff ...
17:11 < mnemoc> are you using the helper?
17:11 < mnemoc> or git-* ?
17:12 < rxr> git
17:12 < rxr> and I only clone, I'll never use it to manage or contribute code
17:12 < rxr> I'll not waste my precious time with this crappy versioning wannabe ..
17:13 < mnemoc> cogito makes it usable
17:13 < mnemoc> at least a bit more :)
17:14 < rxr> I only want to try out code - the people can get a unified diff if I work on code
17:15 < rxr> something less usable then subversion is not for me
17:15 < rxr> the only other thing is SANE CVS, where I have to push my code in a few times a year
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17:15 < rxr> and my intermediate code is in a svn repository ...
17:15 < rxr> until they move to SVN they get a multple hundred kB CVS commit every quater ...
17:17 < demian> need a free svn repository server for some days, know about one?
17:17 < demian> not for opensource projects.
17:18 < rxr> berlios or gnu savanah
17:18 < rxr> if it is something for the public you can get one on http://svn.exactcode.de
17:18 < rxr> if it is not for the public you can use it locally on file:///...
17:18 < demian> ok, it will be public but encripted then, thanks.
17:19 < demian> i want it to be hosted on internet to allow access from several locations.. just as a back up repository really.
17:27 < rxr> hm
17:27 < rxr> damn - our x86 kernel lack apple partition support and thus I can not inject files onto the powermac mounted via firewire with the big box in target disk mode ... - damn
17:29 < rxr> I also wonder why I get two firewire devices - think the mac only has one HD ...
17:29 < rxr> strange
17:29 < mnemoc> fully modular? ,-)
17:37 < mnemoc> build/ref-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/flists/dbus:dbus: usr/lib/mono/gac/dbus-sharp/0.33.0.0__9eef2692033670f5/dbus-sharp.dll
17:37 < mnemoc> ^--- yuck
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17:49 < mnemoc> rxr: any news about morfoh?
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18:26 < rxr> mnemoc: nope
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18:37 < karasz> cu tommorow
18:37 < karasz> bye
18:39 < rxr> re
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19:06 < demian> bye
19:36 < rxr> setjump stuff in dietlibc is broken on ppc64 :-(/
19:37 < rxr> pdksh fails to built with it ...
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19:45 < mnemoc> fefe would be glad to receive your fixes :)
19:47 < rxr> right now I would be glad about a life-sign from him
19:48 < rxr> I sent some stuff without answer and there is no mail on the dietlibc list from him for months ...
19:48 < rxr> quite annoying
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19:48 < mnemoc> oh
19:50 < rxr> if more people in berlin start to disappear I should move soon to another city ...
19:50 < rxr> however fefe did other stuff - e.g. some netboot howto on his homepage
19:51 < rxr> so he is at least doing something
19:51 < rxr> though I wonder why anyone with his knowledge would publish a PAX howto ...
19:54 * rxr grabbing the next git tree
19:54 < rxr> damn kernel development
19:55 < rxr> where one never knows what strange freeky tree people use the day (tm) and the usual git war ...
19:56 < rxr> soon 20 git trees will consume more psace on the HD than the two t2 trees with it's associated downloads ...
19:58 < mnemoc> development administrations i hate: mozilla, ooo, eclipse, linux, glibc.
19:58 < rxr> dietlibc is not on the list ? *g*
19:59 < mnemoc> single-man-projects are excluded :)
20:01 < CIA-9> amery * r13815 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk-sharp2/gtk-sharp2.desc: * downdated gtk-sharp2 (2.5.92 -> 2.4.0) - no reason to use an old development branch (current is 2.7.1 anyway)
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20:30 < mnemoc> rxr: perl needs bdb available to build DB_File, but perl is built on stage 3 and bdb on stage 5. suggestions?
20:31 < mnemoc> rxr: move packages needed DB_File to stage 7?
20:31 < mnemoc> needing*
20:37 < mnemoc> does fefe really beliave in this? http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/Xenu-A4.pdf
20:39 < mnemoc> rxr: and the last question, what's the module that emulates oss over alsa?
20:39 < _Ragnar_> re
20:40 < mnemoc> wb _Ragnar_
20:40 < _Ragnar_> thx mnemoc ;)
20:41 < _Ragnar_> move bdb to 3 and build before perl?
20:42 < _Ragnar_> or is that another can of worms?
20:44 < mnemoc> X ---3---7-- 104.400 perl perl 5.8.6 / base/development DIETLIBC NOPARALLEL FPIC-QUIRK 0
20:44 < mnemoc> O -----5---- 104.700 database bdb33 3.3.11 / base/library 0
20:44 < mnemoc> X -----5---- 107.000 database bdb 4.3.28 / base/library 0
20:45 < mnemoc> i would like to move bdb before perl on stage 3.... but i'm not sure about the problems it may produce
20:45 < CIA-9> amery * r13816 /branches/2.1/package/perl/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
20:45 < CIA-9> * merged 13814 from trunk: added perl-archive-tar (1.26) - perl module for manipulations of tar archives
20:45 < CIA-9> * merged 13813 from trunk: added perl-io-zlib (1.04) - IO:: style interface to Compress::Zlib
20:53 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - move perl to stage 5 I would say
20:53 < rxr> snd-pxm-oss
20:53 < rxr> snd-mixer-oss
20:54 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - or add bdb there ...
20:54 < mnemoc> moving bdb to 3-104.300 seems safer than pushing perl to stage 5
20:55 < rxr> well - perl was there for linux and suxh
20:55 < rxr> however in the meantime we build a cross perl in stage 1 ...
20:55 < rxr> but leaving it in stage 3 is indeed safer
21:02 < CIA-9> rene * r13817 /trunk/package/network/vblade/vblade.desc: * updated vblade (9 -> 10)
21:14 < rxr> GCC 3.4.5 has been released
21:14 < mnemoc> 2.1.2 :)
21:15 < rxr> ack
21:15 < mnemoc> rxr: did builddir php patch actually moved the files into the right dir?
21:16 < rxr> I think so
21:16 < rxr> doesn't it work for you ?
21:16 < mnemoc> Installing build environment: /usr/lib/php/build/
21:16 < mnemoc> i get that ---^
21:16 < mnemoc> but flist inside the files are misslocated
21:16 < mnemoc> insist*
21:16 < rxr> hm
21:31 < mnemoc> .oO( why xscreensaver depends on everything? )o
21:32 < _Ragnar_> I asked myself that, too
21:45 < mnemoc> jsaw,rxr: does rockplug honor modprobe.conf ? somehow i can't re-do what alsaconf set
21:55 < CIA-9> amery * r13818 /branches/2.1/package/ (7 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
21:55 < CIA-9> * updated gtk-sharp2 (1.9.5 -> 2.4.0)
21:55 < CIA-9> * merged 11821,12884,13433 from trunk: updated mono (1.1.8.3 -> 1.1.10)
21:55 < CIA-9> * merged 11822,12887,13435 from trunk: updated mod_mono (1.0.9 -> 1.1.10)
21:55 < CIA-9> * merged 11823,12886,13434 from trunk: updated mono-xsp (1.0.9 -> 1.1.10)
21:55 < CIA-9> * merged 12885,13437 from trunk: updated mono-doc (1.0.7 -> 1.1.10)
21:55 < CIA-9> * merged 12882 from trunk: updated gtkmozembed-sharp (0.10 -> 0.11)
22:06 < rxr> mnemoc: ? rockplug only calls modprobe - of course that does ue modprobe.conf
22:06 < mnemoc> that's what i thought...
22:07 < mnemoc> lsmod before and after alsaconf are identical
22:07 < mnemoc> but before alsaconf audio doesn't work, but after it does.
22:09 < CIA-9> amery * r13819 /branches/2.1/package/powerpc/mac-fdisk/install-man.patch: * fixed mac-fdisk to install man pages, forgotten on r13742
22:14 < mnemoc> rxr: did you notice emacs is broken on 2.1? http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/5-emacs.err.txt
22:15 * VX is away: dropped to bed.. -_-
22:16 < VX> 'night all ;)
22:16 < mnemoc> gn8 vixen
22:41 < CIA-9> amery * r13820 /branches/2.1/package/xfce4/xfmedia/ (. xfmedia.desc xfmedia.desc): * merged 13312 from trunk: added xfmedia (0.9.1)
22:54 < CIA-9> amery * r13821 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-editor/gst-editor.desc: * fixed gst-editor's [U]
22:59 < rxr> netbooting Apple's stinks
22:59 < CIA-9> amery * r13822 /trunk/package/zope/cpssharedcalendar/ (. cpssharedcalendar.desc): * added cpssharedcalendar (1.0.0) - An advanced, flexible calendaring component for CPS3
22:59 < rxr> sgi is way more comfortable and pleasant experience
23:02 < rxr> how often do I build software on my router:
23:02 < rxr> Found 707 new/updated files in source tree:
23:02 < rxr> -> ** list truncated to save space on the terminal **
23:03 < mnemoc> :)
23:07 < rxr> ah - so - finally
23:07 < rxr> netloaded yaboot on the dual core box
23:07 < rxr> (and I should be long in bed=)
23:07 * rxr wonders where valentin was today ...
23:08 < mnemoc> can you sleep with that fan?
23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I have 2 rooms in my flat
23:09 < rxr> I never sleep near the roaring rs6k and athlon
23:10 < rxr> not to speak when the ultra sparc 30 or sgi Octane is up ...
23:10 < mnemoc> what's more noisy?
23:14 < rxr> when the new g5 falls back into emergency "all fans on" mode (due to no update of fan controls for 2minutes or so) it is the louded
23:14 < rxr> the sgi octane and sparc are equally noisy - followed by the rs6k and athlon
23:15 * rxr bad
23:15 * rxr bed
23:15 < rxr> n8 all
23:15 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
23:20 < CIA-9> amery * r13823 /trunk/package/zope/cpssharedcalendar/cpssharedcalendar.desc: * updated cpssharedcalendar (1.0.0 -> 1.3.3)
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