--- Log opened Thu Dec 01 00:00:03 2005 00:25 < madtux> re mnemoc 00:26 < mnemoc> hi madtux 00:27 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 00:27 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:30 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:32 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 00:41 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 00:41 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:41 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:46 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 00:55 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 00:55 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:58 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:00 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 01:51 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.55] has joined #t2 01:53 < madtux> jsaw, are u raping the channel? 01:54 < madtux> inside... outside... inside... outside.... inside... 01:54 * madtux slowly steps back. 01:55 < mnemoc> o.o 01:55 * madtux .oO( esta cabron se esta fornicando el canal ) 01:59 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:18 -!- sparc-kly[WORK] [n=labc216@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:27 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 03:27 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:30 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:32 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 03:39 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 03:39 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:42 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:44 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 03:54 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 03:54 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:28 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AF888F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 04:45 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AF8ADD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:07 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 05:07 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:22 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 05:22 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:25 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:27 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 05:34 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 05:34 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:34 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:39 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 05:44 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 05:44 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:50 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 05:50 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:53 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:55 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 05:58 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:00 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 06:27 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 06:27 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:30 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:32 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 06:42 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 06:42 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:45 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:47 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 07:02 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 07:02 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:02 -!- jsaw_ [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:07 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 07:13 -!- mipe [n=mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has joined #t2 07:23 < mipe> morning all 07:52 < rxr> re 07:52 < rxr> moin mipe 08:22 < CIA-11> rene * r13693 /trunk/package/base/linux26/amd-geode.patch: * accumulated the important patches for the AMD Geode from linux-kernel 08:45 < CIA-11> rene * r13694 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/initrdinit: (log message trimmed) 08:45 < CIA-11> * further improved our early user-space, no static two seconds delay 08:45 < CIA-11> to wait for usb / firewire drives, try ten times with one second 08:45 < CIA-11> delay instead - speeds up booting from normal devices by two seconds 08:45 < CIA-11> * mount /proc/bus/usb to allow coldplugging of USB devices (fixes 08:45 < CIA-11> boot from USB) 08:45 < CIA-11> * store filesystems to probe in a variable, so not a second process 08:46 < _Ragnar_> patches for geode? 08:46 < _Ragnar_> it worked for me without any special patches O_O 08:46 < rxr> _Ragnar_: the new Geode ... 08:46 < rxr> LX and such 08:46 < rxr> includes IDE support ... 08:46 < _Ragnar_> soekris also has ide 08:47 < _Ragnar_> dunno if that's on-chip tho 08:47 < rxr> _Ragnar_: if IDE worked for you, you have an old, slow Geode ... 08:47 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr* 08:47 < _Ragnar_> it's slow alright ;) 08:47 < rxr> this is for new, 2nd generation Geode LX and some other ... 08:47 < _Ragnar_> ah 08:47 < rxr> i only added the important patches 08:48 < rxr> there is stuff on linux-kernel to fine tune the 2nd serial port to be a serial port or monitor DDC and such 08:48 < rxr> i only imported the stuff needed for normal operation 08:48 < rxr> like IDE and porper cache size report ... 08:48 < _Ragnar_> yea ok 08:48 < rxr> to not pollute the linux26 package too much 08:48 < _Ragnar_> what platform do you use it on? 08:49 < rxr> platform? 08:49 < rxr> t2 target ? 08:49 < _Ragnar_> the geode 08:49 < _Ragnar_> do you have it in a certain device?:) 08:50 < rxr> it is a dt research box 08:50 < _Ragnar_> ah ok 08:50 < _Ragnar_> nothing mass market 08:50 < rxr> http://www.dt-research.com/ 08:50 < rxr> well - they ship in quantities ... 08:50 < rxr> is is just the company name ... 08:50 < _Ragnar_> ah ;) neat 08:51 < rxr> the device is yet the next archivista product ... 08:51 < rxr> the archivista target is run on those ... 08:51 < rxr> they will ship in higher quantities ... 08:52 < _Ragnar_> oh ;) 08:52 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 08:54 < _Ragnar_> btw ... I'm looking for a 32bit embedded SoC with SPI,I2C,USB & uart 08:54 < _Ragnar_> any recommendations? 08:54 < rxr> for a selfmade board, or a ready to ship one ? 08:55 < rxr> x86 or anything? 08:55 < _Ragnar_> anything, preferably not x86 *hates x86 asm* 08:55 < _Ragnar_> ready to ship one 08:56 < rxr> hm 08:56 < rxr> to run linux on it - or some custom binary? 08:56 < _Ragnar_> custom binary 08:58 < _Ragnar_> philips makes one using an arm core that looks nice 08:59 < _Ragnar_> but they only go up to 70mhz 09:00 < rxr> ouhm - you have requirements ... 09:00 < rxr> well - there are other mips and arm cores as well 09:00 < rxr> broadcom ships high frequency mips cores 09:01 < rxr> and there are also a lot of arm cores of course 09:01 < rxr> but for such a system I have not yet taken a look 09:01 < _Ragnar_> ah ok 09:02 < _Ragnar_> broadcom isn't exactly what I'd like regarding to documentation :) 09:02 < _Ragnar_> but I'm gonna take a look 09:04 < rxr> _Ragnar_: I think for their SoC for custom software they are actually realsing the docs ... 09:04 < _Ragnar_> wow :) 09:04 < rxr> in contrast to their crappy w-lan chips they keep secret ... 09:04 < _Ragnar_> yea 09:05 < _Ragnar_> well the hardware isn't crappy (at least in my hp laptop it beats all other laptops of friends in distance and signal quality) 09:06 < _Ragnar_> dunno if that's due to the chipset or due to hp building good antennas ;) 09:07 < _Ragnar_> but their non-documentation policy sucks 09:08 < _Ragnar_> btw new firefox and new kde fails in trunk ;) 09:09 < CIA-11> rene * r13695 /trunk/target/livecd/init: 09:09 < CIA-11> * synced livecd/init accordingly: mount proc/bus/usb, no static two 09:09 < CIA-11> seconds delay and load sg (just to be in sync) 09:12 < _Ragnar_> oh anyone here gonna be at ccc? 09:12 < rxr> will you? 09:18 < _Ragnar_> could very well be 09:18 < rxr> oh 09:18 < rxr> maybe then I should pan a day there, too ,-) 09:19 < _Ragnar_> =) 09:24 < rxr> btw. automated gnome 2.12.2 update running 09:24 < _Ragnar_> o_O oh yea lets break gnome too:) 09:24 < rxr> I'll soon take a look on trunk's kde and such - but as far as I saw reference built so far 09:25 < _Ragnar_> had some stange errors here 09:25 < _Ragnar_> looking for libattr and libacl in /usr/lib/.libs 09:26 < rxr> ah 09:26 < rxr> I fixed that already 09:26 < _Ragnar_> oh ok 09:26 < rxr> that is due our lib postbuild move from /lib to /usr/lib 09:26 < rxr> I disabled that on trunk 09:26 < rxr> however mnemoc and jsaw proposed to add some compat symlink 09:26 < rxr> as other dists seem to do in that case 09:27 < rxr> all in all this is just because complete junk libtool code ... 09:27 < _Ragnar_> yea indeed 09:27 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:27 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 09:28 < _Ragnar_> I think libtool should be fixed instead;p 09:28 < _Ragnar_> but kde doesn't seem to like the system libtool 09:28 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:30 < owl> *yawn* moin 09:32 -!- jsaw [n=jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 09:44 * rxr uni - cu 09:44 < _Ragnar_> have a good day 09:44 < _Ragnar_> I'm off to bed 10:20 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.123] has joined #t2 10:20 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.89] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 10:22 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 11:04 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.36] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:24 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.36] has joined #t2 11:46 -!- mipe [n=mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has quit ["leaving"] 11:47 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.36] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:56 < SerWou> good morning guys 12:04 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.36] has joined #t2 12:14 < rxr> re 12:26 < CIA-11> rene * r13696 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (21 files in 21 dirs): (log message trimmed) 12:26 < CIA-11> * updated gnome 2.12.2, including 12:26 < CIA-11> * updated control-center (2.12.1 -> 2.12.2) 12:26 < CIA-11> * updated eel (2.12.1 -> 2.12.2) 12:26 < CIA-11> * updated eog (2.12.1 -> 2.12.2) 12:26 < CIA-11> * updated file-roller (2.12.1 -> 2.12.2) 12:26 < CIA-11> * updated gconf-editor (2.12.0 -> 2.12.1) 12:29 < CIA-11> rene * r13697 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 12:29 < CIA-11> * updated evolution (2.4.1 -> 2.4.2) 12:29 < CIA-11> * updated evolution-data-server (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2.1) 12:30 < CIA-11> rene * r13699 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkhtml/gtkhtml.desc: * updated gtkhtml (3.9.1 -> 3.9.2) 12:31 < CIA-11> rene * r13698 /trunk/package/gnome2/libsoup/libsoup.desc: * updated libsoup (2.2.6.1 -> 2.2.7) 12:31 < CIA-11> rene * r13700 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-speech/gnome-speech.desc: * updated gnome-speech (0.3.8 -> 0.3.9) 12:32 < CIA-11> rene * r13701 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: * updated gdm (2.8.0.6 -> 2.8.0.7) 12:32 < CIA-11> rene * r13702 /trunk/package/gnome2/gcalctool/gcalctool.desc: * updated gcalctool (5.7.8 -> 5.7.11) 12:32 < CIA-11> rene * r13704 /trunk/package/gnome2/glibmm/glibmm.desc: * updated glibmm (2.8.1 -> 2.8.2) 12:32 < CIA-11> rene * r13705 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-doc-utils/gnome-doc-utils.desc: * updated gnome-doc-utils (0.4.3 -> 0.4.4) 12:32 < CIA-11> rene * r13703 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (gail/gail.desc libgail-gnome/libgail-gnome.desc): 12:32 < CIA-11> * updated gail (1.8.5 -> 1.8.8) 12:32 < CIA-11> * updated libgail-gnome (1.1.1 -> 1.1.2) 12:33 < CIA-11> rene * r13706 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-keyring/gnome-keyring.desc: * updated gnome-keyring (0.4.5 -> 0.4.6) 12:33 < CIA-11> rene * r13707 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools.desc: * updated gnome-system-tools (1.4.0 -> 1.4.1) 12:33 < CIA-11> rene * r13708 /trunk/package/gnome2/rhythmbox/rhythmbox.desc: * updated rhythmbox (0.9.1 -> 0.9.2) 12:34 < CIA-11> rene * r13709 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/epiphany.desc: * updated epiphany (1.8.2 -> 1.8.3) 12:34 < CIA-11> rene * r13710 /trunk/package/gnome2/devilspie/devilspie.desc: * updated devilspie (0.15 -> 0.16) 12:34 < CIA-11> rene * r13711 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk-engines/gtk-engines.desc: * updated gtk-engines (2.6.5 -> 2.6.6) 12:35 < CIA-11> rene * r13712 /trunk/package/gnome2/pybliographer/pybliographer.desc: * updated pybliographer (1.2.6.2 -> 1.2.7) 12:50 < CIA-11> rene * r13713 /trunk/package/xorg/ (72 files in 72 dirs): (log message trimmed) 12:50 < CIA-11> * updated remaining xorg packages to RC2, those have been missed by 12:50 < CIA-11> the last auto-update since the tracker could nto correctly identify 12:50 < CIA-11> the base name, ..., including: 12:50 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-fpit (1.0.0.1 -> 1.0.0.2) 12:50 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-digitaledge (1.0.0.1 -> 1.0.1) 12:50 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-dmc (1.0.0.1 -> 1.0.0.2) 12:53 < CIA-11> rene * r13714 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: 12:53 < CIA-11> * improved the update tracker to better guess the basename and thus 12:53 < CIA-11> be able to match packages with a lot of files per up-stream 12:53 < CIA-11> directory, such as xorg, enlightenment, et.al. 12:53 < CIA-11> * improved one function signature slightly to accept any std::istream 12:53 < CIA-11> instead of just std::ifstream 13:08 < rxr> 4161 builds total, 2916 completed fine, 142 with errors. 13:10 < rxr> t2 trunk mostly HEAD 13:10 * rxr rescheduling xorg and gnome2 updates ... 13:12 < SerWou> moin rxr 13:20 < rxr> moin SerWou 13:21 < SerWou> how are you today ? 13:23 < rxr> oh - well, as usual ,-) 13:26 < rxr> valentin: kde 3.5, X.org RC2 T2@Live with USB CD-ROM support and installer till Monday? 13:35 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has joined #t2 13:35 < madtux> moin 13:47 < CIA-11> rene * r13715 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (update-restore.sh update-store.sh): * added new archivista mail-server to the update store/restore procedure 14:09 * Xenos is back (gone 02:05:28) 14:12 < rxr> moin miguel 14:12 < madtux> Good day Rene 14:13 < karasz> moin all 14:13 < madtux> hello there 14:13 < karasz> hello back madtux ;) 14:15 < karasz> arghhh ugly day today :( 14:15 < karasz> dark n rainy 14:15 -!- sparc-kly[WORK] [n=labc216@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 14:15 * karasz feels like the T2 weather guy :D 14:16 < madtux> karasz, i really like it dark and rainy... foggy is also ok for me 14:17 < karasz> sunburned beaches for me ... 14:18 < karasz> hmm i'm 600 miles from the closest beach :( 14:18 < karasz> and that is not sunburned either... 14:20 -!- mipe [n=mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has joined #t2 14:20 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:20 < rxr> f*ck 14:21 * rxr was smart enough to remove my reference build ... 14:21 < rxr> well - at least the cache is trained now ... 14:35 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:46 < rxr> hehe - /me now in the evil's CVS ChangeLog: ChangeLog 1.9720 3 days aj (MREMAP_FIXED): Added. Patch by Ren?(C) Rebe . 14:46 < Xenos> "_" 14:46 * Xenos welcomes rxr 14:49 < madtux> :) 14:52 < karasz> re hi 14:52 < mnemoc> moin 14:52 < karasz> rxr is it of any use if we use the IBM C compiler to compile world for ppc64? 14:52 < karasz> hello mnemoc 14:53 < Xenos> mnemoc, karasz - hello 14:53 < mnemoc> moin karasz, Xenos, madtux, rxr 14:53 < Xenos> :) 14:53 < Xenos> t2 ownz 14:56 < karasz> is it of any use if we use the IBM C compiler to compile world for ppc64? 14:56 < mnemoc> i doubt you could do a 'world' with anything but gcc 14:57 < karasz> maybe i didn't used the corect wording... 14:57 -!- maro [n=mark@0x55511dab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #t2 14:58 < karasz> nut they say that it is fully gcc compatible 14:58 < karasz> s/nut/but 14:58 < karasz> i wonder if it will show any performance improvement on that arch if we use their compiler... 15:06 < madtux> hi mnemoc 15:08 < rxr> karasz: I never tried that 15:08 < rxr> karasz: I doubt everything will build - let's not talk about the glibc or linux-kernel ... 15:09 < karasz> reading stuff about it 15:09 < karasz> but it seems so lame that an article about that comparision talks only about how IBM is evil or not :( 15:09 < karasz> sooo lame 15:10 < rxr> moin mnemoc 16:13 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178153116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 16:13 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-) 16:13 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005] 16:13 [Users #t2] 16:13 [ _Ragnar_] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] 16:13 [ CIA-11 ] [ madtux] [ mtr ] [ SerWou ] [ valentin ] 16:13 [ jsaw ] [ maro ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly] [ Xenos ] 16:13 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 16:13 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 16:13 -!- [freenode-info] Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked, except to network staff, to services (NickServ, etc.), and to registered users who have unblocked them. Please see the freenode website for more information: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 16:13 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 26 secs 16:16 < rxr> rehi 16:17 < mnemoc> wb rxr 16:22 < rxr> hey mnemoc 16:26 < CIA-11> rene * r13716 /trunk/package/base/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 16:26 < CIA-11> * updated glibc (20050919 -> 20051128) 16:26 < CIA-11> * updated glibc32 (20050919 -> 20051128) 17:02 < CIA-11> rene * r13717 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (install.sh update-restore.sh): 17:02 < CIA-11> * improved / fixed archivista target to not take over root and archivista 17:02 < CIA-11> passwords during the an update installation - they won't match the new 17:02 < CIA-11> database 17:24 < CIA-11> rene * r13718 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (apache-https-disable.sh apache-https-enable.sh): 17:24 < CIA-11> * improved archivista target to let fluxbox reconfig when we adapt the 17:24 < CIA-11> keys file - so far fluxbox only checks the timestamp of the menu file ... 17:38 < CIA-11> pfister * r13719 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/data/archivista/tmp.perm: Permission rights for tmp path 18:10 < CIA-11> amery * r13720 /branches/2.1/package/kde/ (28 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 12028,12542,12555,12556 from trunk: updated kdebase (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3) 18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 12053,12542,12557 from trunk: updated kdepim (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3) 18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 11562,12542 from trunk: updated arts (1.4.2 -> 1.4.3), and fixed for x86_64 18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 11790,12545 from trunk: updated kde-i18n-bg (3.4.1 -> 3.4.3) 18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 11790,12546 from trunk: updated kde-i18n-de (3.4.1 -> 3.4.3) 18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 11790,12543 from trunk: updated kde-i18n-es (3.4.1 -> 3.4.3) 18:19 < rxr> Linux 2.6.15-rc4 18:31 < rxr> maybe I get a dual-core powermac today 18:31 < _Ragnar_> hmmm kdelibs still doesn't build for me? o_O 18:33 < mnemoc> rxr: archivista? 18:33 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: 3.5? 18:33 < _Ragnar_> yea 18:34 < rxr> mnemoc: nah - archivista is using remarkedable hardware 18:34 < rxr> have to pay it myself of course ... 18:35 < rxr> initially I wanted to get it this weekend (thru my brother - he gets a account there) 18:35 < rxr> but he decieded to come over to berlin with the box today ... 18:36 < mnemoc> :D 18:37 < rxr> the Geode is Archivista's 18:37 < rxr> though I buy two of them myself - one as new router to cut electricity costs (replacing the power hungry rs6k) and susan wants one - to cut the noise level of her current Athlon 700 or so ,-) 18:38 < mnemoc> :) 18:39 < mnemoc> how is it's performance compared to duron? 18:39 < rxr> of the geode? 18:39 < mnemoc> yep 18:39 < rxr> the geode is slow - it's primary goal is to consume as less power as possible ... 18:40 < rxr> thus ~ 1W under normal load ... 18:40 < rxr> the power supply is smaller than then one of my linksys w-lan router ... 18:40 < mnemoc> :) 18:40 < rxr> it needed a lot of time to build linux26 18:41 < mnemoc> why did you build linux26 there? 18:41 < rxr> I set the date durint that by over one moth (strange factory date ...) so I do not know for sure 18:41 < rxr> maybe it took over 3 hours ... 18:41 < rxr> mnemoc: because the vanilla kernel missed IDE support ... 18:41 < rxr> and I wanted to test the box - especialls how hot it gets ... 18:41 < rxr> and it does not really get hot 18:42 < mnemoc> fanless? 18:42 < rxr> the Octane that would be nice got a price as high as over 800EUR ... :-( 18:42 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - fan less 18:42 < mnemoc> madtux claims to have good contacts on sgi.... 18:45 < rxr> in contrast to the Octane - which is noisy 18:46 < mnemoc> a lab full of them would be nice to study 18:48 < madtux> mnemoc, ?! 18:48 < rxr> study as in reading book? 18:48 < rxr> ji madtux 18:48 < rxr> hi even 18:48 < madtux> ji ren 18:48 < rxr> madtux: you have sgi contacts? 18:48 < mnemoc> rxr: yes 18:48 < rxr> may mention details ? 18:49 < madtux> rxr, a few 18:49 < madtux> what do u need? 18:50 < rxr> beside as much money as bill gates ... ? 18:50 < rxr> well - documentation about some chips would be nice 18:50 < madtux> yea 18:50 < rxr> or a octane that is a bit more stable then mine. ... 18:50 < madtux> i see 18:51 < madtux> maybe we could try to find some sort of sponsorship for t2 18:51 < mnemoc> :) 18:51 < madtux> let me finish my lunch then i will call maddog and see if he can give us a hand 18:52 < madtux> sounds fair? 18:53 < rxr> yep - nice 18:53 < mnemoc> ack :) 18:54 < madtux> now i need a good "begging speech: suggestions? what are we exactly going to do with the box? what are we looking forward to get? 18:55 < mnemoc> making it rule, using bleeding edge linux technology 18:55 < madtux> tell me more 18:55 -!- demian [n=demian@201.206.44.210] has joined #t2 18:55 < madtux> to be as rich as gates u need to learn to talk like him :) 18:56 < madtux> or get his skills of talk :) 18:56 < madtux> good day demian 18:56 < madtux> nice to see u here... yet again 18:56 < demian> same for u madtux 18:56 < mnemoc> wb demian 18:56 < rxr> madtux: improve our mips ports 18:56 < rxr> making sure exotic platforms and 64bit whatever builds 18:56 < demian> thnkx mnemoc 18:56 < rxr> keeping those sgi boxes supported with modern software ... 18:56 < rxr> if sgi wants to hand us ia64 we would of course also support their recent boxers ... 18:57 < rxr> best used by you guys there - so you have some more exotic and fast hardware to build on ,-) 18:58 < madtux> do i get a t2 tshirt and coffee mug if i make it happen? *grin* 18:58 < rxr> madtux: yes - thru suan I get contacts to print t-shirt el-cheapo in china .... 18:58 < madtux> :P 18:58 < rxr> is that what we want ? 18:58 < madtux> i am just kidding though 18:58 < rxr> susan even ... 18:59 * rxr mainly on the other screen on the sgi right now 18:59 < madtux> but hey pr stuff would be good indded 19:00 < mnemoc> we need a good logo or mascot first: :p 19:01 < rxr> + 19:01 < demian> could i be the mascot :) ? 19:01 < mnemoc> ^_^ 19:02 < madtux> demian, maybe. 19:02 < mnemoc> are you sweet, sexy or funny? 19:02 < madtux> mnemoc, perhaps u want to go and find it out urself? 19:02 < demian> freak ? 19:03 < mnemoc> do you have any meaning? 19:03 < madtux> mnemoc, he was my first rocklinux aprentice 19:03 < madtux> does that count? 19:03 < mnemoc> madtux: plane tickets, food and hotel payed? sure. 19:04 < madtux> food and lodging are payed. 19:04 < mnemoc> madtux: how was the other thing named? the rock-wannabe? 19:04 < madtux> rock-wannabe? 19:04 < demian> i am cheap. 19:04 * madtux .oO( Perra barata ) 19:04 < demian> i just need a bed, soem girls, beer and a laptop. 19:04 < mnemoc> we need a mascot, not an slut 19:04 < demian> jaja. 19:05 < demian> u are undervalueing me. 19:05 < madtux> u did it urself. 19:05 < mnemoc> madtux: the dbk like rock you both where writting some years ago 19:05 < mnemoc> were* 19:05 < madtux> hdw? 19:06 < mnemoc> yes 19:06 < demian> dbk? 19:06 < madtux> that was fun 19:06 < demian> and that was all btw.. 19:06 < madtux> demian, distribution build kit 19:07 < demian> have u seen hackbard again madtux ? 19:07 < madtux> mnemoc, i quitted hdw long ago... demian stayed longer... i have no idea if wether they continued the work or not 19:07 < demian> i ll plan a visit right now.. 19:07 < madtux> demian, not in the past 6 months 19:07 < madtux> mm.. good idea 19:07 < madtux> i'll join 19:07 < demian> he es afk. 19:07 < madtux> bah... they i won't go. 19:07 < mnemoc> how can a geek be afk 6 months? 19:08 < demian> he has a girlfriend. 19:08 < madtux> hehe 19:08 < demian> that's the reason 19:08 < madtux> mnemoc, he was also a rock dev years ago 19:08 < mnemoc> yep, i remember something 19:08 < madtux> no u don't. 19:09 < mnemoc> i read RLML before joining :) 19:09 < demian> :) 19:10 < demian> gonna have a lunch. 19:12 < rxr> hm - morfoh's cell still has just the mailbox ... 19:14 < madtux> no u didn't 19:14 < madtux> rxr, perhaps u want to try a 3D visit to his flat? 19:17 < rxr> he has a real-time vr of his flat ? 19:17 < mnemoc> he mean 'in person' 19:17 * rxr feared that ... 19:19 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@ARennes-251-1-85-253.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #t2 19:19 < geekitus> hi 19:20 < geekitus> rxr, are you here ? 19:21 < Xenos> geekitus: hello ;) 19:21 < geekitus> i have a litle problem with hotplug++ ... 19:22 < madtux> :) 19:23 < rxr> geekitus: yes 19:23 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:23 < geekitus> just to have an info : 19:23 < geekitus> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'. 19:23 < geekitus> LEAVING ./etc ... 19:23 < geekitus> DEP isapnp-match.d 19:23 < geekitus> CXX isapnp-match.o 19:23 < geekitus> In file included from isapnp-match.hh:6, 19:23 < geekitus> from isapnp-match.cc:12: 19:23 < geekitus> /usr/include/linux/isapnp.h:26:23: error: linux/pnp.h: No such file or directory 19:23 < geekitus> make: *** [isapnp-match.o] Error 1 19:23 < geekitus> any idea ? 19:24 < geekitus> i wanto to do a package of hotplug++ for the archlinux distrib 19:24 < rxr> oehm 19:24 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/linux-header:linux-header: usr/include/linux/pnp.h 19:24 < rxr> do you have linux headers? 19:25 < mnemoc> his "archlinux distrib" seems to lack of it 19:25 < geekitus> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13-ARCH/include/linux/pnp.h 19:26 < mnemoc> -I/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-ARCH/include/ 19:26 < demian> search for it and proper symlinks at /usr/include/linux 19:27 < mnemoc> linux headers should not be symlinked to kernel source 19:27 < demian> when that changed ? 19:28 < mnemoc> ? 19:28 < geekitus> no /usr/include/linux/pnp.h , only /usr/src/linux-2.6.13-ARCH/include/linux/pnp.h for the file pnp.h on my / 19:28 < mnemoc> geekitus: fix archlinux's linux headers package :) 19:29 < geekitus> ok 19:29 < mnemoc> demian: linux-header shall reflect the kernel used to build your libc 19:30 < demian> maybe.. i always used to do symlinks.. my costume. 19:30 < madtux> demian, u are not supposed to use symlinks for the linux-headers 19:31 < madtux> its a dirty "hack" 19:31 < mnemoc> and harmfull 19:31 < madtux> and ugly 19:31 < mnemoc> as demian 19:31 < demian> and saves disk space when u know what u do. 19:31 < madtux> yeah d3bian... what were u thiking? 19:31 < mnemoc> demian: rm -rf /usr/src/linux-* saves more space 19:32 < madtux> ack 19:32 < demian> :-/ 19:32 < madtux> mnemoc, you know he will end up hating us right? 19:32 < demian> ok ok. i feel like a dog now. 19:33 < demian> someone else want to gimme another kick ? 19:33 < madtux> demian, no need to feel like that... its actually good to learn how to make things in a better way, don;t u think? 19:33 * mnemoc kicks demian on the back 19:34 < demian> mnemoc: u already had ur turn.. give someone else the chance.. 19:34 * madtux hits demian's head with a base-bat... then pokes his eyes with a stick 19:34 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 19:34 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: your turn 19:34 < _Ragnar_> what's a base-bat? 19:34 < madtux> baseball bat* 19:34 < _Ragnar_> :) 19:34 < demian> so _Ragnar_ ? 19:35 < madtux> damn i am such a nice guys. 19:35 < madtux> guy* 19:35 < demian> this beatiful ass is waiting.. 19:35 < _Ragnar_> O_O 19:35 * _Ragnar_ hump it :) 19:35 < madtux> demian, u do really realize that only ur mother thiongs is beautifull right? 19:36 < madtux> also ... offering your ass in a logged public chan might not be such a good idea 19:36 < demian> :-/ 19:36 < madtux> specially after some minutes of saying that u were .. "cheap" 19:36 < _Ragnar_> *loool* 19:36 < madtux> could be misunderstood. 19:36 < demian> u are the one missundertansing..! 19:37 < mnemoc> what could be misunderstood? everything has been very explicit 19:37 < madtux> ok ok ... perhaps i have kind of a messed up head also. 19:37 < madtux> then again mnemoc is right. 19:38 * demian goes back to his chair thinking how devaluated he was.. 19:39 < demian> really. got to work! bye 19:40 < mnemoc> back to the dark streets? 19:45 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 19:46 < _Ragnar_> you're so mean :) 19:47 < mnemoc> *g* 19:50 < madtux> yeah u guys are evil 19:51 < mnemoc> starting by _Ragnar_ 19:51 < mnemoc> he is the worse 19:51 < mnemoc> worst* 19:51 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 19:53 < karasz> re hi 19:54 < _Ragnar_> re 19:57 < madtux> _Ragnar_, now that i think about it.. how does mnemoc know demian works on the dark streets?... I think mnemoc might actually be hiding a little secret from us. 19:57 < madtux> wb karasz 19:58 * _Ragnar_ renames mnemoc to mnemocpimp 19:59 < mnemoc> o.o 19:59 < madtux> he could have also been a customer u know. 19:59 < mnemoc> sparc-kly is the only pimp here 19:59 < madtux> and i guess dening that he is a pimp is an indirect way to affirm the customer part 19:59 < mnemoc> aka spanking-kly 20:00 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr* 20:00 < mnemoc> madtux: :) 20:00 < sparc-kly> wtf 20:00 < mnemoc> madtux: he has to live of something, doesn't he? 20:00 < madtux> mnemoc, RUN 20:01 < mnemoc> this beatiful ass is waiting.. <--- spanking-kly has arrived :) 20:01 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.208.36] has joined #t2 20:01 < sparc-kly> lol 20:01 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.208.36] has quit [Client Quit] 20:01 < madtux> MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:02 < madtux> rxr, i can't get a hold of maddog, i think he might be traveling. i will email him. 20:05 < SerWou> hello madtux and mnemoc 20:05 < madtux> hi SerWou :) 20:06 < mnemoc> hi SerWou 20:06 < SerWou> how are you guys ? 20:07 < mnemoc> shocked 20:07 < SerWou> what's happening ? 20:07 < mnemoc> by demian and sparc-kly declarations 20:07 < _Ragnar_> hi SerWou :) 20:07 < SerWou> what are they declaring ? 20:07 < SerWou> hello _Ragnar_ 20:07 < mnemoc> SerWou: read the backlog 20:07 < mnemoc> :) 20:08 < SerWou> Hard to follow ~ ;) 20:08 < mnemoc> last 40 minutes.... not too much 20:09 < SerWou> ;) 20:12 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.36] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 20:12 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.208.36] has joined #t2 20:18 -!- misl [n=chatzill@cc478814-d.mp1.dr.home.nl] has joined #t2 20:18 < misl> hi folks 20:18 < mnemoc> hi misl 20:18 < misl> hey mnemoc :) 20:26 -!- geekitus_ [n=geekitus@ARennes-251-1-29-216.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #t2 20:29 < rxr> # diffstat frpatch.r280.v2.diff avision-scale.c | 1771 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ avision.c | 2462 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------- avision.h | 148 +++ 3 files changed, 3694 insertions(+), 687 deletions(-) 20:29 < rxr> well - merging is soo much fun ... 20:33 < mnemoc> bbl 20:36 < demian> wtf ? 20:36 < rxr> my scanner driver ... 20:38 < rxr> oh - there are 31 people on my scanner driver list ... 20:38 < rxr> ok - t2 has more - 42 ... ,-) 20:38 < rxr> puh 20:39 < rxr> though not bad my private sane-avision only list has so many people already - did not imagined that ,-) 20:39 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@ARennes-251-1-85-253.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:39 < rxr> one wrote my some seconds ago that he successfuly utilize my driver under OS/2 now ... 20:39 < rxr> ... scanning via USB 20:39 < rxr> there are things in the world one barely belives are still there ... 20:40 < rxr> anyway - /me soon off to collect2 my brother at the railway station 20:50 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CD033.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 20:50 < MisterN> hi 20:52 < madtux> hello. 20:53 < owl> hi madtux 20:53 < madtux> OWLITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:53 < owl> MIGUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:54 < owl> how are you? 20:54 < karasz> re hi 20:55 < madtux> owl, really good now that u are here. 20:55 < owl> why? O_o 21:07 < madtux> well u make me feel good all the time. 21:10 < owl> sigh. 21:50 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CD033.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:52 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CCD5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 22:05 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:06 < rxr> re 22:06 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has joined #t2 22:06 < rxr> brother and dual-core-power-mac arriced ,-) 22:07 < mnemoc> greeting to your mac^Wbrother 22:09 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:22 -!- misl [n=chatzill@cc478814-d.mp1.dr.home.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 22:42 -!- geekitus_ is now known as eekitus 22:42 -!- eekitus is now known as geekitus 22:47 < mnemoc> have anything regarding setuid changed on 2.6? 22:55 < mnemoc> drwx--S--- 22:55 < mnemoc> ^--- what the S means? 22:55 < Xenos> hmm.. 22:56 < Xenos> mnemoc: what do u think about sylpheed? 22:56 < mnemoc> i know 's', but not 'S' 22:56 < mnemoc> good MUA 22:56 < Xenos> :) 22:56 < Xenos> firefox + sylpheed 22:56 < mnemoc> nah 22:56 < Xenos> ? 22:57 < geekitus> sylpheed-claws ? 22:57 < Xenos> mnemoc: what about u? 22:58 < mnemoc> thunderbird and mutt :) 22:58 < Xenos> mutt? 22:58 < mnemoc> next to irssi on my screen 22:58 < Xenos> mnemoc: but what about of browser? 22:59 < mnemoc> firefox and links :) 22:59 < Xenos> yeah 22:59 < Xenos> :> 23:00 < Xenos> muahah 23:00 < Xenos> The Mutt E-Mail Client 23:00 < Xenos> "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less." -me, circa 1995 23:00 < Xenos> mutt.org 23:00 < Xenos> ) 23:00 < geekitus> it's a MUA in console mode 23:01 < Xenos> yeah, i know 23:01 < mnemoc> sylpheed goes with epiphany :) 23:01 < Xenos> ?! 23:01 < Xenos> dunno 23:01 < Xenos> but 23:01 < demian> mnemoc: in which file are u seing an 'S' in permissions ? 23:01 < mnemoc> if you have resources for firefix, you have resources for thunderbird 23:01 < mnemoc> demian: a folder 23:02 < Xenos> sylpheed is very light/fast & good-looking with it's gtk2-interface.. 23:02 < Xenos> *its 23:02 * Xenos hates any gnome/kde libs 23:02 < Xenos> ;> 23:02 < Xenos> => 23:02 * Xenos hates epiphany 23:03 < mnemoc> :) 23:03 < Xenos> :) 23:03 < mnemoc> links -g :) 23:03 < Xenos> mbmb.. 23:03 < Xenos> but my choice is fx 23:03 < Xenos> ;) 23:03 < Xenos> fx = firefox 23:03 < mnemoc> in that case, why not thunderbird? 23:03 < Xenos> too big :/ 23:03 < mnemoc> drwx--S--- 2 Gqscanq root 72 Dec 1 18:47 /var/qmail/qscanq/root/scanq/ 23:04 < mnemoc> -rwsr-xr-x 1 Gqscanq root 13K Dec 1 14:12 /package/mail/qscanq-0.43/command/qscanq* 23:04 < mnemoc> 25839 execve("/package/mail/qscanq-0.43/command/qscanq", ["/package/mail/qscanq-0.43/comman"...],.... 23:04 < mnemoc> 25839 chdir("/var/qmail/qscanq/root/scanq") = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) 23:04 < Xenos> sylpheed--2.0.4.0.tar.bz2 2282 KB 11/30/2005 11:30:00 AM 23:04 < Xenos> gigi 23:04 < Xenos> my ftp place :> 23:05 < mnemoc> ^---- does anyone see the problem? 23:05 * Xenos dunno 23:05 < Xenos> it's a first time i see it 23:06 < demian> mnemoc: maybe the sticky bit for a combination of group,other,user permissions. is it a /tmp dir ? 23:06 < mnemoc> demian: see what i pasted 5 lines above 23:06 < demian> ive seen that before in /var/spool/mail or somewhere around. 23:09 < demian> ask dan bernstein 23:09 < mnemoc> :) 23:09 < mnemoc> does are +t 23:09 < mnemoc> this +S is odd 23:09 < mnemoc> those are +t* 23:10 < demian> +t means that although one has write access, just the owner might delete this file. 23:10 < mnemoc> sure, but the 'S'? 23:10 < demian> but +S.. i read that somewhere.. dunt remember 23:10 < mnemoc> 's' is setuid setgid 23:10 < demian> yes. 23:14 < demian> as i though: 23:14 < demian> S appears when sgid is set, but group execute is not set. 23:14 < mnemoc> meaning 'broken sgid'? 23:15 < demian> 's' appears when both group execute and suid are set 23:15 < demian> bug depending where it is placed.. 23:15 < demian> drwx--S--- 23:15 < demian> ur case.. 23:15 < mnemoc> Gqscanq:root 23:16 < demian> this means owner read, write, execute; and sgid set, bug no 'x' for group (not execute) 23:16 < mnemoc> but in practice? 23:16 < mnemoc> -x on a folder mean 'no view' 23:18 < demian> so no dir view for group 23:18 < mnemoc> :) 23:18 < demian> it's strange. but i think it could eb useful when u know the location of a setgid file u want to be executed by a member of ur group 23:20 < demian> talking about sth else.. any vulnerability found in qmail? 23:20 < mnemoc> afaik no 23:21 < demian> i have 4 months without check for bugs.. never had that need. 23:21 < demian> it's a different sensation, u have not to check for bugs constantly, as if u had sendmail. 23:22 < mnemoc> if you use vpopmail you have to review anyway :) 23:22 < mnemoc> i'm trying to change qmail-scanner with qscanq.... but it has been quite difficult 23:23 < mnemoc> The setgid bit, 's' or 'S' if there is no corresponding group 'x' bit, influences the creation of new files in the directory. New files are created with their group ID set to that of the directory; the same is true of new directories but in addition they have the setgid bit set. (Not all systems do this.) 23:23 < demian> dunno. i just used a toaster, made small changes to fit my needs, and never got deep inside to change sth else. 23:25 < karasz> hmmm mut 23:25 < karasz> ok mut is the best mail client 23:26 < karasz> but then what is the best mail client with GUI? 23:26 < karasz> thunderbird kinda lets me down... 23:26 < mnemoc> outlook express 23:26 * Xenos pokes karasz 23:26 < Xenos> :) 23:27 < Xenos> hello 23:27 < Xenos> :karasz : but then what is the best mail client with GUI? -< sylpheed 23:27 < Xenos> *<- 23:27 < Xenos> :) 23:27 * karasz wonders why he is gettin' poked 23:27 < Xenos> ) 23:27 < mnemoc> sylpheed reminds me eudora 23:27 < demian> i consider thunderbird, of what ive tried i chose that one. 23:27 < karasz> mnemoc: i grew out of it 23:27 < karasz> ;) 23:28 < Xenos> :) 23:28 -!- geekitus_ [n=geekitus@ARennes-251-1-101-170.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #t2 23:28 < karasz> aren't you acid today.... 23:28 < mnemoc> who? 23:28 < karasz> let's see... 23:29 < karasz> i dunno but sounds like a guy from south america 23:29 < mnemoc> keinek? 23:29 < karasz> maybe ;) 23:29 < mnemoc> :) 23:29 * demian is from central america fortunately 23:29 < karasz> although i don't think so 23:29 < mnemoc> yes, he is 23:29 < mnemoc> .cr 23:30 < mnemoc> *g* 23:30 < demian> madtux too. 23:30 * karasz thinks that mnemoc is found of reminding him that he is compelled to use that other SO 23:30 < Xenos> rxr: here? 23:31 < MisterN> n8 23:31 * karasz has another 3 weeks before he can switch 23:31 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CCD5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Wieso gibt es keine guten Quitmessages? Jaja, diese ist auch doof."] 23:32 * mnemoc wonders why we don't have claws 23:32 < mnemoc> karasz: ? 23:32 * karasz wonders what is the use for claws... 23:33 < karasz> mnemoc: ? 23:33 < karasz> what do you want claws for? 23:33 < mnemoc> MUA? 23:34 -!- geekitus_ [n=geekitus@ARennes-251-1-101-170.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:34 < karasz> a bit slow but now i get it 23:34 < mnemoc> :) 23:35 < mnemoc> i'm the slow here 23:35 < mnemoc> i didn't relate 'claws' with "aren't you acid today" 23:35 < karasz> i did... 23:36 < mnemoc> :) 23:36 < Xenos> hmm 23:36 * Xenos found a nice ircbot 23:36 < Xenos> :> 23:36 * karasz is reliefed, was imaginig mnemoc with claws 23:36 < mnemoc> o.o 23:36 < demian> Xenos: which ? 23:37 * karasz was imagining mnemoc using claws for god knows what 23:37 < Xenos> erm.. 23:37 < karasz> :D 23:37 < Xenos> bobotpp 23:37 * mnemoc likes supybot 23:37 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@ARennes-251-1-29-216.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:37 < demian> i used an eggdrop several yrs ago.. 23:37 < Xenos> :/ 23:37 < Xenos> supybot? 23:37 < Xenos> hm 23:37 < mnemoc> demian: same did i, about 10 years ago :p 23:37 < demian> hehe. they were funny. 23:38 < demian> it would be nice to get one at #bookwarez nowadays 23:38 < Xenos> argh.. 23:38 < Xenos> Supybot is a cross-platform IRC bot written in Python, known to run anywhere Python runs, which includes all *nices, and Windows. 23:38 * Xenos hates python.. 23:38 < Xenos> :/ 23:38 < mnemoc> i'm developing in python now :) 23:39 < Xenos> :) 23:39 < demian> im developing in c# now.. 23:39 < Xenos> & i'm developing in php now.. 23:39 < Xenos> )) 23:39 < mnemoc> C# is better than java.... 23:39 < Xenos> :) 23:39 < mnemoc> php is a discusting fat cow 23:39 < demian> i think so. 23:39 < Xenos> mnemoc: then c++ 23:39 < Xenos> :) 23:40 < demian> mnemoc: have u seen the language enhancements prepared for C# 3.0? 23:40 < mnemoc> nope, i'll keep python :p 23:40 < Xenos> :> 23:41 < demian> xml integration, a lot of generic engeenering behind, database access incorporated in the language itself. 23:41 < mnemoc> bloat 23:42 < demian> got to go. bye 23:42 -!- demian [n=demian@201.206.44.210] has left #t2 [] 23:45 < mnemoc> strace bastard! 23:45 < mnemoc> strace was voiding setuid 23:46 * mnemoc slaps strace 23:46 * mnemoc slaps strace again 23:55 < rxr> - hi rxr 23:56 < mnemoc> wb rxr --- Log closed Fri Dec 02 00:00:03 2005