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00:42 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13639 /trunk/package/xorg/xdm/startwm.patch: * adapt startwm.patch
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03:57 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
03:57 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
03:57 [Users #t2]
03:57 [ _Ragnar_] [ mnemoc] [ owl   ] [ sparc-kl1[WORK]] [ Xenos] 
03:57 [ CIA-11  ] [ mtr   ] [ rxr   ] [ sparc-kly      ] 
03:57 [ jsaw    ] [ ojh   ] [ SerWou] [ valentin       ] 
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07:35 < rxr> re
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08:45 < mipe> hi
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09:28 < rxr> re
09:28 < rxr> moin mipe 
10:32 < mipe> so is there anything i could do for t2?
10:32 < mipe> atm i'm building desktop 2.1 target
12:26 < rxr> re
12:43 < owl> moin
13:02 < rxr> moin owl 
13:06 < rxr> mnemoc: glibc patches accepted (by a developer of SuSE ...)
13:12  * Xenos is back (gone 14:38:29)
13:12 < Xenos> hloall
13:12 < Xenos> :>
13:17 < rxr> hi Xenos 
13:18 < rxr> valentin: kind of audio out on the octane ,-)
13:18 < rxr> valentin: oss is slightly distorted - alsa even more
13:18 < rxr> but there is a patch for alsa ....
13:18  * rxr recompiling alsalibs ...
13:19 < rxr> valentin: mp3 decoding takes 15% cpu load on the 2x195Mhz MIPS box ...
13:19 < rxr> 17838 root      15   0 10956 3520 3184 R   13  0.5   0:16.59 mpg321
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13:23 < madtux> moin
13:24 < rxr> moin miguel
13:25 < madtux> hi rene :)
13:26 < rxr> madtux: all fine on your side ?
13:26 < madtux> absolutetly, there?
13:27 < rxr> all fine ,-)
13:27 < rxr> now that my octane did not freeze for 15 hours ,-)
13:28 < madtux> wow..
13:28 < madtux> nice
13:40 < rxr> ftp://ftp.laas.fr/pub/ii/matthieu/eurobsdcon-2005.pdf
13:40 < Xenos> gg
13:40 < Xenos>  15:40:02 up 3 days,  8:05,  0 users,  load average: 1.00, 0.98, 0.87
13:40 < Xenos> :>
13:41 < Xenos> growing uptime..
13:43 < rxr> ok - with patched alsa playback is mostly fine
13:43 < rxr> only some flops and pops ...
13:43 < rxr> "/only/" ...
13:43 < rxr> I think I need a coffee ...
13:46 < rxr> ok - I think a subtle bug in mad
13:46 < rxr> ogg plays fine ,-)
13:48 < rxr> valentin: Octane line out sounds good
13:48 < rxr> (on my self made mini amp ...)
13:49 < rxr> ok - hopefully X in some minutes and the box is ready to use ...
13:49 < rxr> with libmad on the known defects TODO list ...
13:49 < rxr> ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song37.ogg
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14:04 < rxr> I think somewhere in overflow, sub-sample dithering in mad is f*cking up on mips ...
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14:05 < rxr> overloud pos on higher levels
14:05 < rxr> anyway - not too important right now
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14:36 < CIA-11> rene * r13640 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/vlc.desc: * updated vlc (0.8.4-test1 -> 0.8.4)
14:37 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13641 /trunk/package/xorg/xinit/startwm.patch: * adapt startwm.patch
14:37 < rxr> hi jsaw !
14:38 < jsaw> hi rxr 
14:39 < rxr> do you have half an hour? or busy right now ?
14:40 < jsaw> I'm always busy :)
14:40 < CIA-11> rene * r13642 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/clearenv.patch: * implemended clearenv for dietlibc, needed by latest u/dev (...)
14:40 < jsaw> what's up?
14:40 < rxr> u/dev vs. hotplug
14:40 < rxr> months back I update a udev past 058 and you fixed it to build
14:41 < rxr> however it was very incompatible and did not work in that t2 environment - so I downdated it
14:41 < rxr> since they are now 20 releases further I think we should integrated this highly incompatible, latest u/dev again
14:41 < jsaw> i remember
14:41 < rxr> for the 2.2 release series
14:41 < rxr> however - well it is that incompatible ...
14:42 < jsaw> what's the actual difference in udev?
14:42 < rxr> do you have some minutes to look at that as well ?
14:42 < rxr> well - mostly (aside from the config format changes ...) that it does not want the hotplug invocation way anymore
14:42 < jsaw> I can look at it, but I do not have any system for testing...
14:42 < rxr> now it does use a netlink socket - normally - to get the events from the kernel
14:42 < jsaw> oh right, they changed it
14:42 < rxr> so one udevd is up all the time processing the events
14:43 < rxr> and it is also intended to load modules with the latest module-init-tools wieh modalias s.th. support
14:43 < rxr> hotplug.d and dev.d directores would then not used at all anymore
14:43 < jsaw> but udevd does no coldplug. I remember faintly that one has to 'backup' the events from init space
14:43 < rxr> in fact they removed that multiplexing code from udev ..
14:43 < jsaw> hm
14:43 < rxr> I wonder if we split this handling up for now
14:43 < rxr> let u/dev receive it's netlink stuff for device nodes
14:44 < rxr> and use the classic hotplug calls to only trigger module load thru hotplug++
14:44 < jsaw> what I do not understand is the invocation path. It is (udevd up all the time) -> hotplug?
14:44 < rxr> I can not get a clue what those "we reinvent u/dev every two month people" intended - but that looks like a stable solution "for now"
14:44 < rxr> until they rewrite whatever again ..
14:45 < rxr> you could also call hotplug thru udevd
14:45 < jsaw> :(
14:45 < rxr> with a rule in the config files
14:45 < rxr> then kernel -- netlink socket --> udevd -> device node creation and hotplug++ invocation
14:48 < jsaw> hmm, I have to read the docs...
14:52 < jsaw> reading this makes me throw up:
14:52 < jsaw> There is no "default" setup or a set
14:52 < jsaw>   of "default" rules provided by the upstream udev version.
14:52 < CIA-11> rene * r13643 /trunk/package/network/ipsec-tools/ipsec-tools.desc: * updated ipsec-tools (0.6.2 -> 0.6.3)
14:52 < rxr> jsaw: yes - annoying
14:53 < rxr> normally used for crappy software all devs wonder that it works to some degree at all - and noone knows how to configure the beast properly ...
14:54 < jsaw> that's also a nice statement:
14:54 < jsaw>  From kernel version 2.6.15 on, the hotplug helper /sbin/hotplug should
14:54 < jsaw>     be disabled with an init script before the boot scripts are run and
14:54 < jsaw>     kernel modules are loaded.
14:57 < jsaw> *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH*
14:58 < jsaw> inconsistent documentation, README talks about disabling hotplug, docs/overview talks about udev receives signals from hotplug
14:59 < rxr> yeah - outdated ...
14:59 < rxr> with the speed of u/dev rewrite every third code line is already outdated ...
15:00 < jsaw> hmm, I hate this globbing off-loading to modprobe...
15:01 < jsaw> hmmm, debian has devfs style udev setup...
15:03 < CIA-11> rene * r13644 /trunk/package/develop/valgrind/valgrind.desc: * updated valgrind (3.0.1 -> 3.1.0)
15:07 < rxr> jsaw: I did not want to waste too much of your time - I hope you do not read any u/dev suppied .txt file ?
15:08 < jsaw> well, I tried to read some of em, but, as stated above, they are inconsistent and, therefore, it does not make sense to read...
15:09 < rxr> ok - I just play around with it 'till it works and commit that ,-)
15:09 < jsaw> I'm afraid, you're right, it would take quite some time for  me to understand udev...
15:11 < rxr> I think I go for hotplug++ via the normal hotplug even path for now
15:11 < rxr> at least dietlibc has now all that was missing for u/dev ...
15:12 < rxr> btw. I find it rather ugly that some kernel people write their crappy klibc when there is a way more mature dietlibc ...
15:12 < jsaw> yeah...
15:12  * rxr might never understand those linux kernel people ...
15:13 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13645 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/10-minimal-xorg.in: * some rsh needed for xsm to build
15:27 < CIA-11> rene * r13646 /trunk/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
15:27 < CIA-11> * further improved mesa / xorg-server integration to let mesa properly
15:27 < CIA-11>  extend xorg-server, so it is downloaded automatically on emerge and
15:27 < CIA-11>  also works on emerge when mesa is not yet installed on the system
15:29 < mnemoc> moin
15:29 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
15:30 < mnemoc> moin rxr 
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15:30 < mnemoc> btw, did you commit the fix for php?
15:30 < madtux> hello mnemoc :)
15:30 < kleper> hi
15:30 < mnemoc> hi kleper, madtux 
15:30 < madtux> mm?! kleper ? :)
15:30 < rxr> mnemoc: oehm
15:30 < mnemoc> rxr: ok :)
15:30 < kleper> mmm?! madtux :D
15:30 < rxr> r13594 | rene | 2005-11-25 22:05:09 +0100 (Fri, 25 Nov 2005) | 2 lines
15:30 < rxr> * patched php to install it's build junk where former versions placed it
15:31 < madtux> oe .. bien o no?
15:31 < kleper> bien y vos ?
15:31 < rxr> mnemoc: it is on trunk - I wanted you to review it before you commit it to 2.1 ,-)
15:32 < madtux> bien
15:32 < mnemoc> rxr: ok :)
15:37 < CIA-11> rene * r13647 /trunk/package/office/antiword/antiword.desc: * updated antiword (0.36.1 -> 0.37)
15:43 < CIA-11> rene * r13648 /trunk/package/base/sysstat/ (gcc-4.0.patch sysstat.desc): * updated sysstat (6.0.0 -> 6.0.2)
15:46 < rxr> yay - xorg-server installing on the Octane ...
15:46 < rxr> rootfs                 3976792   2150972   1623804  57% /
15:46 < rxr> ^- quite some software installed now ,-)
15:46 < rxr> mnemoc: ALSA audio playback works already on that box ,-)
15:47 < mnemoc> :D
15:48 < rxr> xorg-server needed some hours to build :-(
15:48 < rxr> but thanks to modules at least I could build vim and other stuff in parallel ,-)
15:48 < rxr> waiting for the main server to finish ...
15:54 < rxr> == 14:39:49 =[9]=> Building xorg/xf86-video-impact [R1 2.2.0-alpha].
15:54 < rxr> == 11/28/05 14:41:56 =[9]=> Finished building package xf86-video-impact.
16:00 < mipe> Error logs from desktop-2.1-stable-x86-64-athlon64-desktop:
16:00 < mipe> [5] develop/apr-util                    [5] base/mtools [5] graphic/transfig                    [5] multimedia/dvbd [5] editors/emacs                       [5] develop/valgrind [5] develop/mono                        [5] mail/mew [5] x11-ng/transset
16:00 < mipe> 678 builds total, 352 completed fine, 9 with errors.
16:13 < jsaw> generic/minimal-xorg:
16:13 < jsaw> 436 builds total, 435 completed fine, 0 with errors.
16:14 < jsaw> 436 builds total, 436 completed fine, 0 with errors.
16:14 < jsaw> :)
16:14 < Xenos> :)
16:15 < mnemoc> xsm needing rsh is weird
16:16 < jsaw> remote.c:           execlp (RSHCMD, restart_machine, "rstartd", (char *) 0);
16:17 < mnemoc> ssh?
16:18 < jsaw> no idea...
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16:38 < mnemoc> fsck -f libtool
16:38 < mnemoc> fsck -vf libtool
16:38 < rxr> ?
16:38 < mnemoc> forced and verbose fsck to libtool
16:39 < mnemoc> it just decided that -lsysfs is /usr/lib/libsysfs.so, but it's at /lib
16:40 < kleper> Checking for setuid nature of perl install
16:53 < karasz> moin all
16:54 < mnemoc> moin karasz 
16:54 < karasz> hello mnemoc :)
16:55 < Xenos> hi, karasz :>
16:55 < karasz> hi Xenos 
17:05 < mipe> hmm, what are the restrictions to commit to 2.1 branch? i have emacs patch for x86-64 here
17:06 < mnemoc> if you patch doesn't change anything working, commit it
17:14 < CIA-11> mika * r13649 /branches/2.1/package/editors/emacs/emacs-amd64.patch: 
17:14 < CIA-11> * Added x86-64 patch for emacs,
17:14 < CIA-11> * now emacs recognizes x64 platform.
17:14 < CIA-11> * Tested and builded on x86-64.
17:14 < jsaw> gotta go, cu later
17:15 < mipe> could someone merge it to trunk? i forgot how to do it
17:15 < mnemoc> cd t2-trunk
17:15 < mnemoc> svn merge -r 13648:13649 ../t2-2.1
17:15 < mnemoc> svn commit
17:19 < mnemoc> karasz: Nagy Karloy-Gabriel?
17:20 < rxr> mipe: I have fixed that on trunk already I think
17:20 < CIA-11> mika * r13650 /trunk/package/editors/emacs/emacs-amd64.patch: * merged r13649 emacs x86-64 fix from trunk
17:20 < mipe> damm
17:20 < mipe> wrong desc, from 2.1 branch
17:20 < mipe> rxr: i'
17:20 < mipe> +ll check
17:20 < rxr> editors/emacs/x86_64.patch
17:21 < rxr> mipe: always check trunk before doing anything - it is likely already fixed there ,-)
17:21 < rxr> and also always commit new stuff into trunk and merge into the other, stable trees ...
17:21 < rxr> most likely trunk will fail now, with patch #2 not apply on top of the other
17:21 < mipe> rxr: oh ok
17:21 < mipe> yeah... so revert?
17:22 < rxr> well - trunk at least ,-)
17:22 < mnemoc> :)
17:23 < mipe> uhm, how do i revert, since svn revert is for local edits only?
17:23 < rxr> merge -rnew-rev:old-rev .
17:23 < rxr> and commit that
17:26 < karasz> mnemoc: ???
17:26 < mnemoc> karasz: i just got your package :D
17:26 < mnemoc> karasz: quite fast
17:26 < karasz> whou
17:27 < karasz> that is good
17:27 < karasz> problems at the customs?
17:27 < mnemoc> karasz: thanks a lot.... i'll can't say i don't have blank discs for a couple of years :)
17:27 < karasz> :D
17:27 < CIA-11> mika * r13651 /trunk/package/editors/emacs/emacs-amd64.patch: 
17:27 < CIA-11> * reverted -r13650 emacs x86-64 from trunk,
17:27 < CIA-11> * since patch for it was already there
17:27 < mnemoc> nope... nothing... i would get a letter instead of the package in that case
17:27 < karasz> so one problem solved, glad i could help
17:28 < mnemoc> yeah THANKS :)
17:28 < mipe> 678 builds total, 401 completed fine, 8 with errors.
17:29 < mnemoc> rxr: how do you usually solve libdir != staticlibdir issues on libtool?
17:33 < mnemoc> rxr: news about morfoh ?
17:38 < rxr> yeah
17:38 < rxr> and now I got X on the Octane
17:38 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - only mailbox on the cell
17:39 < rxr> though I have not tried over the weekend ...
17:40 < mnemoc> :\
17:40 < rxr> mnemoc: the last time it was nothing to worry - just uni work and an accident with one of the people in his flat
17:41 < mnemoc> accident?
17:41 < rxr> I assume just something else came up again ...
17:41 < mnemoc> i hope nothing bad had happen
17:41  * rxr too
17:42 < mnemoc> OT: what should i do with libsysfs ? libtool points it to /usr/lib/ but it's at /lib
17:49 < rxr> the usual postinstall /lib tweaking I disabled in trunk
17:50 < rxr> maybe it is worth to disable it on 2.1 as well - though a "tiny" system ABI change
17:50 < rxr> though more like a fix
17:50 < rxr> so - what window manager am I going to use on the sgi ,-)
17:50 < mipe> full blown kde!
17:53 < mipe> load average: 4.17, 3.90, 3.52
17:55 < mipe> hmm, X is getting bit freaky under this load
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18:42 < misl> hi folks
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18:47 < misl> rxr: ping
18:48 < rxr> pong
18:48 < misl> rxr: noisy is up and running for nearly two weeks :(
18:48 < misl> hehe :) 
18:49 < mnemoc> it was down a few hours ago....
18:49 < misl> mnemoc: It was down the whole day
18:49 < mnemoc> .oO( or my link sucks more than usualy )o
18:49 < misl> I was not able to connect the power cable this morning (had to leave for work early)
18:50 < misl> but now it is plugged and ready to rock 'n roll :)
18:50 < mnemoc> :D
18:51 < misl> I will leave my summerhouse shortly
18:51 < misl> leave for
18:51 < rxr> misl: ok
18:52  * rxr handing over to restart regtest.sh
18:52  * misl keeps his fingers crossed :)
18:52 < mnemoc> rxr: don't forget you offered to fix 2.1/desktop for x86_64
18:53 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - the Octane drug kept me busy ,-)
18:53 < mnemoc> :)
19:05 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:06 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 
19:07 < _Ragnar_> hi rere
19:07 < _Ragnar_> *rene
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19:13 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw  ] [ mipe  ] [ mtr_] [ SerWou         ] [ VX] 
19:13 [ CIA-11  ] [ karasz] [ misl  ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kl1[WORK]] 
19:13 [ geekitus] [ kleper] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin       ] 
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19:15  * misl heading north
19:15 < misl> cu all later
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19:15 < rxr> cu misl
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20:22 < rxr>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
20:22 < rxr>  4134 root      25   0  351m 350m  376 R  100 47.3   1:09.35 memtester
20:22 < rxr>  4133 root      25   0  351m 350m  376 R   99 47.3   1:15.14 memtester
20:22 < rxr>  4153 root      16   0  4152 1120  900 R    1  0.1   0:00.33 top
20:22 < rxr> ...
20:22 < karasz> re hi
20:23 < rxr> hm - somehow the sgi box is still not really stable :-(
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20:25 < mnemoc> why?
20:25 < mnemoc> video driver?
20:26 < rxr> no
20:26 < rxr> either hardware defect (which I not hope) or some memory management bug in the kernel
20:26 < rxr> user-space segfaults quite reliably oops / freeze thebox ...
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20:53 < karasz> i know the answer but still i have to ask since i kinda still belive in Xmas
20:53 < karasz> is there an alternative to skype which can connect to their servers?
20:54 < _Ragnar_> afaik not
20:58 < rxr> not yet -)
20:59 < karasz> i thought so :((
20:59 < rxr> that was a motivation to get you working on it ,-)
20:59 < rxr> I'd greatly appreciate an open source solution ...
20:59 < rxr> not only because I do nto want binary junk - their junk is not available for most of my platforms ...
21:01 < _Ragnar_> bugger them to release the protocol specs
21:03 < mnemoc> karasz: force windows friends to use google phone :)
21:03 < karasz> i want to force them to linux
21:03 < mnemoc> :)
21:03 < karasz> not to another googlism...
21:04 < karasz> but skype is an awfull win app
21:04 < mnemoc> google phone is just gaim based and fully standard compatible
21:04 < karasz> not to speack of it's linux version...
21:04 < karasz> o_O
21:04 < mnemoc> actually it's written by gaim author
21:04 < _Ragnar_> what you got against skype?
21:05  * karasz checkin google phone because i think i was talhing rubish
21:05 < mnemoc> dark software
21:05 < karasz> skype is wrongly put together
21:05 < karasz> it resembles Franckenstain
21:06 < karasz> even on win it does not work as expected allways
21:06 < _Ragnar_> write an alternative
21:06 < karasz> SIP is not my kind of app
21:06 < karasz> i am just an user which expects software to work
21:07 < _Ragnar_> indeed
21:07 < _Ragnar_> and skype seems to work
21:07 < _Ragnar_> contrary to most SIP stuff which hickups behind a firewall
21:10 < mnemoc> karasz: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ <--- here he explain his job at google
21:10 < karasz> 10nx
21:10  * karasz click
21:23 < karasz> i must create the links to /etc/init.d/foo manualy or is there some command?
21:25 < mnemoc> stone
21:26 < Xenos> :)
21:26 < Xenos> nice command
21:26 < karasz> unfortunately stone is not an option for me
21:26 < Xenos> hi, mnemoc
21:26 < karasz> no T2 on that machine...
21:27 < karasz> resolved
21:27 < karasz> chkconfig :)
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21:57 < MisterN> hi
21:58 < Xenos> hi, MisterN
23:00 < rxr> re
23:00 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.55] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:05  * Xenos is away: dropped to bed..
23:29 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.75] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
23:35 < karasz> my head is swirling around with persistent connections to PostgreSQL o_O
23:35 < karasz> i must sleep
23:35 < karasz> so cu guys and owl ;)
23:35 < karasz> good night to whom it may concern
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