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00:04 < mnemoc> rehi
00:05 < owl> hi mnemoc 
00:06 < mnemoc> hi owl 
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00:48 < MisterN> n8
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04:31 < madtux> hello
04:41 < CIA-11> amery * r13579 /trunk/package/base/cron/00-updates.cron: * changed 00-updates.cron to run considering what can be found at /lib/modules/ instead of uname -r -- bootdisk kernel != installed kernel.
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08:36 < rxr> re
08:36 < rxr> hi miguel
08:43 < madtux> greetings rene
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08:45 < karasz> moin all
08:46 < rxr> moin karasz 
08:47 < karasz> goin on @Live
08:47 < karasz> :)
08:49 < karasz> till now no problems beside the usual sound related ones
08:57 < rxr> huh? no sound for you?
09:02 < madtux> hello karasz 
09:03 < madtux> rene when are u guys going to release son PR stuff for t2 ? i am really looking forward to get a coffee mug and some tshirts
09:03 < madtux> :)
09:03 < rxr> madtux: ,-)
09:07 < karasz> hi madtux 
09:07 < karasz> yes rxr no sound for me
09:08 < karasz> but that is standard for me ;)
09:08 < karasz> an onboard audio on nforce2 +a sb 24 Live!
09:09 < karasz> with a little tickering i can get them to work, but right now i do not care about sound
09:14 < karasz> `NFORCE2: BIOS didn't set cable bits correctly. Enabling workaround.`  ?
09:16 < karasz> and rxr i really miss firefox :(
09:17 < rxr> karasz: hm - wasn't firefox on the cd ...
09:17  * rxr back to home
09:18 < karasz> sorry, it was but no shortcut on menu 
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09:41 < SerWou> Good morning
09:44 < mtr> moin SerWou
09:49 < mtr> rxr: do you mind if i update the e17 packages? i'm running a snapshot from 11/14 for a week now, really cool thing ;-)
09:50 < rxr> mtr: sure update ,-)
09:50 < mtr> it has a new eap editor, and a new filemanager (which happens to crash often, atm)
09:52 < rxr> I thought evidence or so would be the filemanager
09:58 < Xenos> hi all
10:02 < rxr> hi Xenos 
10:02 < Xenos> rxr: hi, how r u? ;)
10:02 < rxr> oh - fina ,-)
10:02 < rxr> fine even ,-)
10:02 < Xenos> :)
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10:32 < karasz> re hi
10:33 < karasz> rxr how can i use @Live to install a T2 from trunk to HDD?
10:34  * karasz slaps karasz around with a small 50lb Unix Manual
10:44  * karasz reboot
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10:46 < Xenos> :)
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11:28 < CIA-11> rene * r13580 /trunk/package/xorg/ (270 files in 270 dirs): (log message trimmed)
11:28 < CIA-11> * updated xorg to X11R7.0-RC2, including:
11:28 < CIA-11> * updated lbxproxy (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2)
11:28 < CIA-11> * updated xfs (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2)
11:28 < CIA-11> * updated xman (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2)
11:28 < CIA-11> * updated xedit (0.99.1 -> 0.99.2)
11:28 < CIA-11> * updated xset (0.99.2 -> 0.99.3)
11:30 < Xenos> :)
11:47 < rxr> kde update pending as well
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12:18 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
12:18 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
12:18 [Users #t2]
12:18 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw  ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr   ] [ sparc-kly      ] [ Xenos] 
12:18 [ CIA-11  ] [ karasz] [ mtr   ] [ sepp  ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] 
12:18 [ geekitus] [ madtux] [ owl   ] [ SerWou] [ valentin       ] 
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13:22 < CIA-11> sebastian * r13583 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-via/ (4 files): * updated xf86-video-via (0.1.31.1 -> 0.1.32)
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13:50 < karasz> guys i need a message
13:50 < karasz> can anybody /msg me?
13:53 < karasz> ok
13:53 < karasz> i got it
13:53 < Xenos> :)
13:53 < karasz> thancks all
13:53 < karasz> s/c/ 
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14:02 < mtr> rxr: r13574 removes too many slashes :-(
14:02 < mtr> if $root = "" there is the leading / missing ...
14:04 < rxr> hm - $docdir is suppost to contain a leading / already
14:05 < mtr> there are some "mkdir $root$prefix{...}"
14:06 < mtr> s/are some/is one/
14:06 < rxr> -                       echo "Creating $root$prefix/<..> if required ..."
14:06 < rxr> -                       for x in $root$docdir $root$prefix/{bin,lib,share} \
14:06 < rxr> +                       echo "Creating $root/$prefix/<..> if required ..."
14:06 < rxr> +                       for x in $root$docdir $root/$prefix/{bin,lib,share} \
14:06 < mtr> ;-)
14:07 < rxr> thanks ,-)
14:07 < CIA-11> rene * r13584 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: * fixed r13574 wich removed too many /s ,-)
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14:30 < CIA-11> rene * r13585 /trunk/package/base/man/man.desc: * build man in stage 1
14:44 < mnemoc> moin
14:47 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
14:48 < mnemoc> moin rxr 
14:55 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you? all fine ?
14:57 < mnemoc> fine enough :) and you?
14:58 < Xenos> hehe
14:58 < Xenos> vmware 5.5 released
14:58 < Xenos> :)
14:58 < Xenos> currently installing wind0ze 2000 pro..
14:59 < Xenos> mnemoc: hi :)
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15:07 < mnemoc> hi Xenos 
15:07 < CIA-11> rene * r13586 /trunk/package/base/groff/groff.desc: * updated groff (1.19.1 -> 1.19.2)
15:12 < mnemoc> rxr: can you push e17 tarballs to your mirrors so yours and mine get identical?
15:13 < rxr> was the update already commited ?
15:13 < mnemoc> oh, mtr
15:14 < mnemoc> 13581 and 13582
15:14 < mtr> hi mnemoc 
15:14 < mnemoc> hi mtr 
15:15 < mnemoc> :)
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15:26 < rxr> mnemoc: manual download running on mirror
15:28 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks, please tell me when it's finished to clean mine and download from yours
15:29 < rxr> where do you download from ? gsmp ?
15:32 < mnemoc> should i use nexus?
15:32 < rxr> nope - I just ask ,-)
15:32 < mnemoc> :)
15:32 < rxr> (the master is on exactcode.de anyway) I just wanted to know where I need to push it for you ,-)
15:32 < mnemoc> yes, gsmp is the mirror that my 'grabber' use
15:32 < rxr> ok
15:56  * Xenos is away: busy..
16:09 < CIA-11> rene * r13587 /trunk/package/base/groff/ (groff.conf groff.desc): 
16:09 < CIA-11> * fixed groff.conf for cross builds and work arounded absense of DESTDIR
16:09 < CIA-11> * build groff in stage 1
16:09 < rxr> ^- and groff is C++ ,-)
16:11 < mnemoc> :)
16:13 < rxr> ldconfig does segfault on my mips ...
16:13 < rxr> the restin is running fine so far ...
16:13 < rxr> I guess I do not have to add that ldconfig comes from this glibc junk ...
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16:25 < karasz> moin all
16:25 < karasz> goodby all
16:26 < rxr> cu karasz 
16:38 < CIA-11> rene * r13588 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-impact/ (. xf86-video-impact.cache xf86-video-impact.desc): * added xf86-video-impact (R1) - X.org video driver for sgi Impact boards
16:38 < mnemoc> :)
16:47 < rxr> yeah - but compiling on the box I notive 2x195Mhz is not that fast :-(
16:48 < rxr> one more reason to "cross compile everything (tm)"
16:48 < rxr> yeah - we should register that trademark ,-)))
16:48 < mnemoc> :D
16:49 < mnemoc> could the syscall based fl-wrapper, do cmd-wrapping?
16:50 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you mean ?
16:50 < rxr> but yes - one could translate e.g. cross binary invocation to native ones ...
16:53 < mnemoc> we could do a list of known 'internal helpers' of packages that compile they build-time helpers and behind the scenes use a different CC...
16:55 < mnemoc> a list detected on native builds, of 'written and executed'... on .cache? for example
16:57 < mnemoc> doing a _simple_ client/server syscall wrapper, this shouldn't be too much overhead
16:58 < rxr> strace is dog slow
16:58 < rxr> and so far we have not hit major problems cross compiling more
16:58 < rxr> I'd suggest cross building more and more until we hit a real barrier
16:58 < rxr> also I would avoid complexity to setup some real silicon just to build t2
16:58 < mnemoc> what about flwrapper?
16:58 < rxr> as much as possible must be cross build straight away
16:59 < mnemoc> there are many packages which build their own helpers
17:00 < rxr> the clean way is of course to provide a setup to build native versions into the cross tool directory on the way
17:00 < rxr> we have to do things to let packages use the pkg-config and $pkg-config helpers in the sandbox anyway
17:01 < rxr> just let's continue the road until we hit a real barrier and investigate what to do then
17:01 < mnemoc> ok
17:01 < rxr> maybe also use a strace-alike helper for flist tracing then as wel
17:01 < rxr> +l
17:02 < mnemoc> can't be slower than current implementation
17:05 < rxr> strace will be slower than preload
17:05 < rxr> but we need the higher accurency 
17:05 < mnemoc> even client/server ?
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17:27 < CIA-11> rene * r13589 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-impact/xf86-video-impact.conf: 
17:27 < CIA-11> * fixed xf86-video-impact to build and install into the correct, new
17:27 < CIA-11>  driver module directory
17:32 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13590 /trunk/misc/lua/hooks.lua: * make the lua hooks similar to the shell version (i.e. add hook levels)
17:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: is your idea to make .conf files, lua? or just the helpers?
17:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: or also a lua-bourne shell?
17:35 < jsaw> no idea yet!
17:35 < jsaw> only exploring what can be done with lua, and how :)
17:35 < mnemoc> :)
17:37 < jsaw> but honestly, something like "preconf:add( ...some-function...)" looks more appealing than "hook_add preconf 5 ..." to me
17:37 < jsaw> imo
17:38 < mnemoc> can we do the env tricks which make T2 possible, on lua?
17:38 < jsaw> env tricks?
17:39 < jsaw> you mean LD_PRELOAD for example?
17:40 < mnemoc> no, var_append makeopt .... on parse-config or pkg_${pkg}.conf....
17:40 < mnemoc> i dislike flwrapper at LD_PRELOAD
17:41 < jsaw> var_append can be made even more comfortable, for example by defining a seperator while variable creation
17:42 < jsaw> pkg_${pkg}.conf is a basically a string concatenation
17:42 < jsaw> so...
17:43 < mnemoc> string concatenation on a very simple syntax.... also ${foo%bar}
17:43 < jsaw> example: makeopt = vardef(" "); makeopt:append("CFLAGS=\"$CFLAGS\"")
17:43 < mnemoc> foo=new${foo:+:}${foo}
17:44 < jsaw> this would be: foo:prepend("new")
17:45 < mnemoc> and the delimiter?
17:45 < jsaw> foo = vardef(":")
17:45 < mnemoc> ic
17:45 < jsaw> otherwise one could also define the var_append like function:
17:46 < jsaw> var.append(variable, seperator, content)
17:48 < jsaw> but I'd prefer a variable class
17:48 < jsaw> you could the also add flags like for "pass this variable into environment"
17:48 < jsaw> could then*
17:49 < jsaw> but that's way to far, 
17:49 < mnemoc> confopt = vardef(" "); confopt:append("--with-lang='en es de fr'")  ?
17:50 < jsaw> yep
17:50 < jsaw> or 
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17:51 < jsaw> CFLAGS = vardef(" ", PASS_ENVIRONMENT); CFLAGS:append("-Os")
17:51 < mnemoc> PASS_ENVIRONMENT?
17:51 < MisterN> hi
17:51 < mnemoc> hi MisterN 
17:51 < jsaw> mnemoc: just an example
17:51 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
17:51 < mnemoc> *g*
17:51 < jsaw> mnemoc: confopt will not go into env, while CFLAGS should
17:52 < jsaw> hi MisterN :)
17:52 < mnemoc> jsaw: so vardef doesn't exist and you are proposing a syntax?
17:52 < jsaw> auto-completion...
17:52 < jsaw> mnemoc: it doesn't exist, right. I'm just phantasizing, how it could be done
17:52 < mnemoc> ic
17:53 < jsaw> did you look at hooks.lua ?
17:53 < jsaw> look at the the TEST part
17:54 < mnemoc> yes.... your hooks are N while current are NxM :)
17:55 < jsaw> not really
17:55 < jsaw> preconf = hook() ; configure = hook() ; ...
17:56 < mnemoc> i don't mean that.... i mean:
17:56 < mnemoc> hook_add <hook> <level> <string>
17:56 < jsaw> hook[level]:add(string)
17:56 < jsaw> ???
17:56 < mnemoc> :)
17:58 < jsaw> have to leave
17:58 < jsaw> cu later
17:58 < valentin> hi
17:59 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
17:59 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
17:59 < valentin> hi mnemoc cu jsaw 
18:00 < valentin> jsaw: i would prefer
18:00 < valentin> prepostblah:add ( funct , level )
18:00 < valentin> instead
18:01 < valentin> with a default level of 5 if omitet
18:02 < mnemoc> level, funct ? (readability?)
18:07 < valentin> can you have default parameters for the first argument ?
18:08 < valentin> i mean, in 90% of all cases you want level=5
18:13 < mnemoc> i agree the level=5 thing.. but
18:13 < mnemoc> hook:add({
18:13 < mnemoc> foo
18:13 < mnemoc> }, 6 )
18:13 < mnemoc> looks ugly
18:14 < mnemoc> but the arguments would need to be mangled
18:16 < _Ragnar_> ====[hook_eval:105 (last $?=0)> tar -v --use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf
18:16 < _Ragnar_> tar: option requires an argument -- f
18:16 < _Ragnar_> why's it doing that? (1-linux26)
18:16 < mnemoc> package?
18:16 < mnemoc> minute
18:17 < mnemoc> can you plublish the whole log? to get context
18:18 < _Ragnar_> http://66.146.166.62/~ragnar/ERROR-LOG
18:20 < mnemoc> rsbac enabled?
18:20 < _Ragnar_> I think so, it's a new config and I didn't deselect it
18:21 < mnemoc> rsbac is not enabled by default, can you confirm?
18:21 < mnemoc> security/rsbac/pkg_linux_pre.conf:hook_add prepatch  4 "tar -v $taropt `match_source_file -p rsbac-v${pkg_rsbac_ver} rsbac`"
18:22 < mnemoc> that's the only similar line i found
18:22 < _Ragnar_> ooh I got X security/*
18:22 < rxr> re
18:23 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: bad idea
18:23 < CIA-11> rene * r13591 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/modular-x-conf.in: * fixed xorg-server font.* flistdel
18:23 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: anyway, can you change that to set -x; tar ...; set +x ?
18:24 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: because it works for me, using rsbac conciently
18:24 < _Ragnar_> what kernel do you have?
18:24 < mnemoc> 2.1 branch
18:24 < _Ragnar_> ok
18:24 < mnemoc> but that would produce a failing to apply patch, not a blank tar
18:24 < _Ragnar_> 2.6.14.2 in trunk, but rsbac is at 2.6.13
18:25 < _Ragnar_> so it tries to match version and finds none
18:25 < _Ragnar_> it should probably barf at that point tho, instead of going on with an empty name
18:25 < mnemoc> improved security/rsbac/pkg_linux_pre.conf :)
18:25 < mnemoc> improve*
18:26 < _Ragnar_> :P
18:26 < _Ragnar_> I'll start with using the right patch
18:28 < mnemoc> yes, updating rsbac would be nice :)
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19:13  * karasz is back the fog is lifted ...
19:15 < karasz> salutare la toata lumea :)
19:58  * Xenos is back (gone 04:02:12)
20:03 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: you there?
20:03 < _Ragnar_> this seems to be due to a match_source_file -p rsbac-v1.2.5 rsbac
20:03 < _Ragnar_> which doesn't exist in my rsbac.desc at least
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20:17 < keinek> hi guy
20:17 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.220.10.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
20:17 < keinek> =)
20:17 < sepp> moin
20:17 < keinek> i need help.
20:17 < keinek> how need to have spanish spell in abiword?
20:17 < keinek> i install aspell-es but dont work :(
20:18 < keinek> in desktop target i have spellcheck
20:18 < keinek> but in mnemosyne no.
20:18 < keinek> i need something
20:18 < keinek> but i dont know how package is needed.
20:21 < rxr> maybe aspell ?
20:21 < rxr> maybe you need to rebuild abiword to take advantage of it ?
20:21 < rxr> (I do not use gnome based stuff for serveral reasons=
20:21 < rxr> )
20:23 < keinek> Mmmmm that sound good.
20:23 < sepp> http://www.abisource.com/twiki/bin/view/Abiword/IntlFaqSpellChecking
20:23 < sepp> :)
20:24 < keinek> i will 
20:24 < keinek> :)
20:24 < keinek> thanks rxr
20:24 < keinek> ahhh rxr, i finish a note for the magazine linux+ about t2
20:24 < keinek> I include the logo, but i write that the logo and images all is own of t2 project.
20:24 < keinek> ;)
20:28 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: so it was incompletely updated
20:47 < CIA-11> rene * r13592 /branches/2.1/package/develop/php/php.desc: * merged r11575 from trunk: updated php (5.0.4 -> 5.0.5)
20:49 < mnemoc> hey!
20:49 < mnemoc> rxr: php 5.0.5 has a buggy installation
20:50 < CIA-11> rene * r13593 /branches/2.1/package/develop/php/php.conf: * merged r12628 from trunk: moved some expressions on a single line in php.conf
20:51 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm ?
20:51 < mnemoc> review the flist :\
20:51 < rxr> we use it in production ...
20:51 < rxr> what is broken ?
20:51 < mnemoc> not broken, but dirty
20:51 < mnemoc> that's why i postponed the update
20:51 < rxr> you could have told me before ... to fix that on trunk ...
20:51 < mnemoc> i did :(
20:51 < rxr> ouhm
20:51 < rxr> wehn?
20:51 < rxr> ok - what is dirty ?
20:52 < mnemoc> publish the flist and i told you
20:52 < mnemoc> let me check trac
20:52 < rxr> we just setup a off-site root server for a project of susan and need php there
20:52 < rxr> thus the merge
20:52 < rxr> susan is using 2.1 ...
20:52 < mnemoc> wasn't 5.0.4 good enough?
20:52 < Xenos> :)
20:52 < Xenos> 5.1.0 released
20:52 < rxr> well - susan hat do rebuild again and again until she had all fetures needed
20:53 < rxr> that version is what she got typo3 whatever version and xt:comerce running with
20:53 < rxr> I guess she does nto want to try again with yet another php version ...
20:54  * mnemoc building php 5.0.5 to see what was the problem 
20:56 < rxr> .oO(sorry to place extra load on you ...)
20:56 < mnemoc> rxr: you will fix it :)
20:57 < mnemoc> nasty /me has an script to compare flists between updates :p
20:57 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: well what should it unpack in this stage (for linux26)?
20:57 < _Ragnar_> rsbac-common or rsbac-admin ?
20:57 < mnemoc> rsbac-common
20:58 < mnemoc> if the package was renamed that will also affect userspace .conf
20:59 < _Ragnar_> o_O
20:59 < mnemoc> a similar match_source_file
20:59 < _Ragnar_> ah ok
21:00 < _Ragnar_> rsbac works for you tho?
21:01 < mnemoc> 1.2.4 at 2.1
21:01 < _Ragnar_> o_O
21:01 < _Ragnar_> well I need to head out for a few
21:01 < _Ragnar_> I'll try to fix the pkg later
21:03 < _Ragnar_> interesting, grsecurity-2.1.6-2.6.14.2.patch doesn't apply to 2.6.14.2 ;D
21:03 < mnemoc> :)
21:03 < mnemoc> you will have to patch the patch, on the fly
21:04 < _Ragnar_> I rather not ;P
21:04 < mnemoc> :)
21:05 < _Ragnar_> to clarify: grsecurity is applied before rsbac or vserver ... so those didn't mess it up in this case
21:06 < mnemoc> they _can't_ be mixed
21:06 < mnemoc> that's why X security/* is harmfull
21:06 < _Ragnar_> I was kinda expecting that :)
21:07 < _Ragnar_> but this means that grsecurity will fail even when vserver and rsbac is disabled
21:08 < mnemoc> it shouldn't
21:14 < mnemoc> rxr: ping
21:14 < mnemoc>  php: usr/include/php/regex/utils.h
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build/Makefile.global
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build/acinclude.m4
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build/config.guess
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build/config.sub
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build/libtool.m4
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build/ltmain.sh
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build/mkdep.awk
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build/phpize.m4
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build/scan_makefile_in.awk
21:14 < mnemoc> +php: usr/lib/build/shtool
21:14 < mnemoc>  php: usr/lib/php
21:14 < mnemoc> ^--- that's why i didn't update before
21:15 < rxr> and when did you tell me ?
21:16  * mnemoc grepping irc logs
21:17 < rxr> .oO
21:17 < mnemoc> 2005-10/#t2.10-14.log.bz2:12:21:44<mnemoc> rxr: php 5.0.5 installs crap at /usr/lib/build/
21:17 < rxr> mnemoc: you know that I do not gather memos or simillar stuff when I'm away ...
21:18  * rxr thinks he should setup this away mechanisms ...
21:18 < mnemoc> i know :)   i don't blame you :)
21:18 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - so /me digging into php Makefile* crappyness ...
21:18 < mnemoc> awaylog at irssi
21:18 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks :)
21:18 < rxr> I had groff no DESTDIR install hackery today - it can not be much worse ...
21:19 < mnemoc> :D
21:23 < mnemoc>  php: opt/apache/modules/libphp5.so
21:23 < mnemoc> +php: usr/bin/pear
21:23 < mnemoc>  php: usr/bin/php
21:23 < mnemoc> ^--- also interesting from php 5.0.5
21:28 < rxr> but +pear is not too bad, is it ?
21:29 < rxr> Installing build environment:     /usr/lib/build/
21:29 < rxr> this looks like a "feature"
21:30 < mnemoc> $docdir/build ?
21:31 < rxr> on google I find lib/php/build
21:31 < mnemoc> ok :)
21:31 < karasz> hello everione
21:32 < karasz> buonas noches mnemoc 
21:32 < mnemoc> buenas noches karasz 
21:33 < rxr> I can also patch this build env installation away
21:33 < rxr> it's a oneliner
21:33 < rxr> no idea if that will cause regressions
21:34 < mnemoc> -php: usr/lib/php/build
21:34 < mnemoc> -php: usr/lib/php/build/Makefile.global
21:34 < mnemoc> -php: usr/lib/php/build/acinclude.m4
21:34 < mnemoc> -php: usr/lib/php/build/config.guess
21:34 < mnemoc> -php: usr/lib/php/build/config.sub
21:34 < mnemoc> -php: usr/lib/php/build/libtool.m4
21:34 < mnemoc> ^--- it was there
21:34 < rxr> but hm
21:34 < mnemoc> i didn't review the whole flist :p
21:34 < rxr> hm
21:34 < rxr> mnemoc: you do 1/2 things ?
21:35 < rxr> well, ... I diff php .4 -> .5 then ,,-)
21:35 < mnemoc> :(
21:35 < rxr> where has pear been ?
21:35 < rxr> that is bin/pear in .5 ?
21:36 < rxr> == 21:28:11 =[5]=> Building kde/kdelibs [3.5.0-rc1 2.2.0-alpha].
21:36 < mnemoc> pear wasn't on 5.0.4
21:36 < rxr> so - let's see if I can commit kde 3.5.0-rc1 before I go to bed ,-)
21:36 < mnemoc> -php: usr/bin/phpextdist
21:36 < rxr> took some time for my ref build to reach kde with the X update and some deletes ...
21:36 < mnemoc> -php: usr/include/php/main/config.nw.h
21:37 < mnemoc> ^--- the only really removed files
21:38 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll try to update kde on 2.1 today too
21:39 < rxr> but to 3.4 I guess ?
21:40 < mnemoc> last 3.4.x
21:41 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not see the change doing that
21:41 < rxr> the diff is full of configure regenerate nosie
21:41 < rxr> damn crap
21:42 < rxr> I think it is accidently moved there - due to configure regen whatever side-effect ...
21:42 < mnemoc> php thing?
21:42 < mnemoc> install_wrapper ?
21:43 < rxr> nah
21:43 < rxr> not yet
21:48 < rxr> -phpbuilddir = $(prefix)/lib/php/build
21:48 < rxr> +phpbuilddir = $(libdir)/build
21:48 < rxr> there it is
21:48 < rxr> scripts/Makefile.fragments
21:49 < mnemoc> with libdir!=$prefix/lib/php ?
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21:50 < rxr> libdir always has been and is /usr/lib for php
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21:50 < mnemoc> ok
21:50 < rxr> and the new php still installs its lib stuff into $(libdir)/php AFAICS
21:51 < mnemoc> var_append makeopt phpbuilddir=$libdir/php/build ?
21:51 < mnemoc> makeinstopt*
21:51 < rxr> nope - lets's obviously patch it so we also get a "patch does no longer apply" notification when s.th. in that area changes
21:53 < rxr> and let's hope it does not break s.th. like pear or so ,-)
21:56 < mnemoc> :)
22:05 < CIA-11> rene * r13594 /trunk/package/develop/php/phpbuilddir.patch: * patched php to install it's build junk where former versions placed it
22:05 < rxr> ^- appears to work for me (tm)
22:06 < rxr> mnemoc: I consider the /lib/*.a and such -> /usr/lib migration implemented at rock times harmful
22:06 < rxr> do you mind when we disable this stuff by default and remove it later on ?
22:06 < rxr> it causes all kinds of inconsistencies and headache ...
22:06 < rxr> including breaking kdelibs-3.5.0-rc again ...
22:08 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
22:08 < rxr> nice to hear
22:08  * mnemoc remembers how much we suffered to do that
22:08 < rxr> do you find it equally evil or EDONTCARE ?
22:09 < mnemoc> i care, and i hate to have .a on / partition... but i know it cause inconsistencies
22:10 < mnemoc> i will need to wait for package splitting to get this 'solved'
22:11 < rxr> ?
22:12 < rxr>  /we dinner
22:12 < rxr> a bit late, but ...
22:12 < mnemoc> to optionally have *.a *.o on a different tarball
22:13 < mnemoc> for consistency, keeping .a where $pkg expect them is ok
22:14 < mnemoc> brb
22:23  * rxr too 
22:23 < rxr> cu
22:42 < jsaw> re
22:42 < jsaw> has every (german speaking) seen this: http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,grossbild-546037-386544,00.html
23:08 < sepp> hi jsaw 
23:10 < sepp> hehe, i saw it in some blog
23:12 < sepp> btw - http://home.arcor.de/t2_/cp.jpg <- very rough test - to see if we can agree on the mascot idea ...
23:19 < rxr> hm- I thought more like a butterfly ...
23:19 < rxr> as in:
23:20 < rxr> "http://languages.arts.unsw.edu.au/japan/Andrew Beveridge_large/colour_japanese_catepillar.jpg"
23:20 < rxr> s.th. pretty ,-)
23:20 < rxr> sepp: btw. what proram is that you model it ?
23:20 < sepp> rxr: wings3d
23:20 < rxr> ah
23:23 < sepp> well, it was just a fast test ...
23:23 < rxr> I would like something pretty - as this japanese aterpillar thing
23:23 < rxr> something that you would like to wear on your t-shirt
23:24 < rxr> e.g. some manga(tm) whatever versiont that people would like to adapt and place on their sites, blogs, servers, t-shrits, ...
23:24 < jsaw> hi sepp , rxr
23:25 < rxr> I don't find the bare caterpillar too pleasing
23:25 < valentin> hi
23:25 < rxr> hi valentin 
23:25 < sepp> it was really only a fast test to see what we want ;)
23:25 < jsaw> hi valentin 
23:25 < sepp> hi valentin 
23:25 < valentin> rxr: what do you mean "bare caterpillar" ?
23:26 < valentin> jsaw: du bist deutschland ? isn't this the new campain of our government ?
23:26 < jsaw> valentin: yes
23:26 < rxr> Alan Cox: " However futex locks are not in FreeBSD and may never be
23:26 < rxr> (IBM patent questions for non-GPL), and DRI predates futexes by a large
23:26 < rxr> margin."
23:27 < jsaw> valentin: very embarrassing
23:27 < rxr> this means we have futex code that is patent on our distribution and can only use it since it is GPL and would be sued by IBM if we implement s.th. simillar - e.g. in an new microkernel with dietlibc ?
23:27 < rxr> fuck
23:27 < jsaw> ?
23:28 < rxr> jsaw: which part need explenation ?
23:28 < jsaw> actually the hole thing...
23:29 < MisterN> well software patents are not fully legal
23:29 < _Ragnar_> given the current state of laws in europe such a patent would be unenforcable
23:30 < MisterN> i'm not soo sure about that
23:30 < jsaw> rxr: where's the futex code? in linux kernel? so where's the problem?
23:30 < MisterN> there are strange interpretations
23:30 < _Ragnar_> in the US, yes
23:30 < _Ragnar_> in europe, no
23:30 < jsaw> rxr: or do you want to write a microkernel?
23:30 < MisterN> and this is a clear advantage for europe.
23:41 < sepp> should i make a toon like "japanese_catepillar" with fur?
23:42 < sepp> or with "glowing" fur
23:43 < rxr> sepp: with both - so we have a choice ,-)(
23:43 < rxr> n8 all
23:43 < sepp> good night rxr ;)
23:48  * Xenos is away: sleep..
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