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00:08  * karasz is reading T2 handbook.....
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00:14 < CIA-14> jsaw * r13271 /trunk/package/base/findutils/ (findutils.conf findutils.desc): 
00:14 < CIA-14> * older "xargs" may bail out with "environment too large" error
00:14 < CIA-14>  (happens here with 1-linux26)
00:14 < CIA-14>  -> add findutils to stage 0 and adapt its .conf accordingly
00:36 < mnemoc> rehi
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00:47 < karasz> hi mnemoc
00:47 < karasz> how are your wires?
00:47 < karasz> cutted?
00:49 < mnemoc> nah... everything working :)
00:49 < karasz> after all you didn't cut the yellow one ...
00:50 < mnemoc> yellow was ground :p
00:50 < karasz> after keepin'us in a near-heartattack situation :p
00:50 < mnemoc> :)
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01:25 < CIA-14> amery * r13272 /branches/2.1/package/develop/alternatives/Makefile.patch: * merged 13269 from trunk: fixed alternatives to build on stage 9
01:31 < CIA-14> amery * r13273 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/gnocl/rebuild_safe.patch: * merged 13270 from trunk: fixed gnocl to build on stage 9
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02:17 < axion> how can i replace devfs with udev? i installed it with the scripts, but how to I make it the default?
02:18 < mnemoc> t2 2.2 has udev
02:18 < mnemoc> no idea how to make 2.1 use it, i have  never used u/dev
02:19 < axion> ah, i need it because i need 2.6.13+ for my soundcard to work
02:20 < mnemoc> you can re-enalbe devfs on 2.6.13 by reverting a patch... minute
02:20 < mnemoc> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-devfs.diff
02:20 < mnemoc> revert that patch over 2.6.13 source and you get devfs back
02:21 < axion> ah cool, i'd much rather try 2.2 first..i like udev :)
02:22 < mnemoc> :)
02:22 < axion> thanks
02:22 < mnemoc> np
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02:45 < CIA-14> amery * r13274 /branches/2.1/scripts/ (8 files): (log message trimmed)
02:45 < CIA-14> * merged 10687,10742 from trunk: added get_expanded and get_reverted to scripts/functions
02:45 < CIA-14> * merged 10688 from trunk: added get_reverted function to scripts/config.func
02:45 < CIA-14> * merged 10689 from trunk: improved parse-config to detect targetchain
02:45 < CIA-14> * merged 10690 from trunk: improved Download to detect and use $targetchain
02:45 < CIA-14> * merged 10692 from trunk: improved Config (config.in) to detect and use $targetchain
02:46 < CIA-14> * merged 10693 from trunk: improved detect_patches to inherite patches from targetchain
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02:55 < CIA-14> amery * r13275 /branches/2.1/scripts/ (Check-PkgVersion Download functions): 
02:55 < CIA-14> * merged 10696,10767 from trunk: added zip auto-extraction and custextract
02:55 < CIA-14> * merged 11205 from trunk: added tbz as a valid tarbz2 file ending
02:57 < CIA-14> amery * r13276 /branches/mnemoc/2.1-scripts-nt/: * removed 2.1-scripts-nt branch, because 'target inherence' and 'custextract' will be on 2.1.1
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03:30 < CIA-14> amery * r13277 /branches/2.1/scripts/ (13 files): 
03:30 < CIA-14> * merged 11329 from trunk: renamed scripts/functions to functions.in
03:30 < CIA-14> * merged 11331 from trunk: renamed scripts/config.func to config-functions.in
03:37 < CIA-14> amery * r13278 /branches/2.1/scripts/ (13 files): * reverted 13277, got borked because the commit was out-of-sync
03:49 < CIA-14> amery * r13279 /branches/2.1/scripts/ (13 files): 
03:49 < CIA-14> * merged 11329 from trunk: renamed scripts/functions to functions.in
03:49 < CIA-14> * merged 11331 from trunk: renamed scripts/config.func to config-functions.in
04:24 < CIA-14> amery * r13280 /branches/2.1/scripts/functions.in: 
04:24 < CIA-14> * merged 12563,12571 from trunk: changed config.cache creation to not inject architecture related values.
04:24 < CIA-14> * merged 12572 from trunk: changed config.cache creation to be only in stage 1
04:24 < CIA-14> * merged 12572 from trunk: changed decition about lib64 to be based on arch_machine instead of arch
04:46 < CIA-14> amery * r13281 /branches/2.1/scripts/config.in: * merged 13102,13104 from trunk: fixed PARALLEL_MAX detection to count processorts rather than leying on kernel's enumaration
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05:01 < CIA-14> amery * r13282 /branches/2.1/scripts/ (Build-Target config.hlp config.in functions.in): 
05:01 < CIA-14> * merged 12107 from trunk: changed two unneeded references to ROCK
05:01 < CIA-14> * merged 10123 from trunk: changed "No errors found" to "None found"
05:01 < CIA-14> * merged 10265 from trunk: clearify no "^Prefix:" error message
05:01 < CIA-14> * merged 12715 from trunk: clearify CROSSCC option '(pseudo-)cross compiler' message
05:32 < CIA-14> amery * r13283 /branches/2.1/scripts/ (Build-Pkg Check-PkgFormat functions.in): 
05:32 < CIA-14> * merged 10138 from trunk: changed autodoc to ignore Makefiles
05:32 < CIA-14> * merged 11323 from trunk: fixed get_unique to hide errors when `hostname` is not available
05:32 < CIA-14> * merged 11348 from trunk: fixed Build-Pkg to hide errors when timezone is not configured
05:32 < CIA-14> * merged 11503 from trunk: changed Check-PkgFormat to take 'PublicDomain' as a valid license, as REGISTER claims
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10:21 < rxr> re
10:56 < CIA-14> rene * r13284 /trunk/package/multimedia/tvtime/tvtime.desc: * updated tvtime (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
10:56 < CIA-14> rene * r13285 /trunk/package/graphic/cinepaint/cinepaint.desc: * updated cinepaint (0.20-0 -> 0.20-1)
13:07 < karasz> moin all
13:07 < karasz> i am trying to install T2 pmmx descktop on vmware
13:07 < karasz> should i beware for something?
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13:14 < madtux> hello
13:14 < karasz> hi madtux
13:16 < madtux> good day karasz 
13:17 < karasz> it is not very good :(
13:17 < karasz> i am struggelin' like a fish on the dry
13:18 < madtux> how come?
13:19 < karasz> i "lost" my beloved Lin workstation
13:19 < karasz> and the other is only commin at the end of next week
13:19 < karasz> until then i am stuck with that "other" :(
13:20 < karasz> so i am trying some surogates like vmware but there is nothing like the real thing
13:21 < madtux> i understand
13:21 < madtux> it sucks big time
13:21 < karasz> you tellin me....
13:21 < karasz> i miss soooo much bash
13:22 < karasz> this command is almost useless
13:22 < madtux> i know.
13:22 < karasz> and point and click it is not my bread
13:23 < karasz> but then again i can dream of a day when i will not need anymore the other workstation...
13:24 < karasz> sadly that is still couples of years away
13:26 < karasz> and i am the only one to blame :(
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13:37 < misl> hi folks
13:38 < misl> rxr: SGI Octane2, Single MIPS 64-bit R14000ATM 400MHz, VPro V6 Graphic
13:38 < misl> 250 euro excluding VAT
13:38 < misl> :( Unfortunately minimum order is 3 pieces.
13:40 < misl> I am gone again. cu all later
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13:46 < karasz> guys i have a little prob with T2 on vmware
13:46 < karasz> anyone?
13:50 < karasz> madtux?
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14:07 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
14:07 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov  4 16:55:33 2005]
14:07 [Users #t2]
14:07 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw  ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr   ] [ Shingo-- ] 
14:07 [ CIA-14  ] [ karasz] [ mtr_  ] [ sepp_ ] [ sparc-kly] 
14:07 [ ISC     ] [ madtux] [ owl   ] [ SerWou] [ valentin ] 
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14:14 < valentin> rxr: do you know where i put that t2-handout i made for CeBIT 05 ?
14:30 < mnemoc> moin
14:31 < valentin> hi mnemoc 
14:32 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
14:33 < rxr> re
14:33 < rxr> valentin: yes - into the t2 handbook svn repo
14:33 < valentin> hi rxr
14:33 < rxr> valentin: I just tried called you off-road ...
14:33 < rxr> are you at home ?
14:33 < valentin> yes
14:33 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
14:34 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
14:34 < valentin> ah thx found it
14:46 < mnemoc> is morfoh dead again?
14:47 < rxr> mnemoc: doubt - last time he was alive as well ,-)=
14:49 < mnemoc> do you think there is any chance to get the damn linguaplone site up on a real link?
14:52 < mnemoc> it's very frustrating :\
15:02 < rxr> hm
15:03 < rxr> valentin: also the new livecd is mostly there
15:03 < rxr> valentin: are your installer bits somewhere?
15:04 < mnemoc> madtux: will hostiarica sponsor T2 with hosting and bandwidth?
15:05 < madtux> i am supposed to talk to my boss today about it
15:06 < mnemoc> ok, so i'll ask you tomorrow :)
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15:09 < madtux> u ask me in the afternoon
15:09 < mnemoc> and tomorrow :)
15:10 < mnemoc> and the day after tomorrow
15:10 < madtux> OMFG
15:13 < CIA-14> amery * r13286 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/mjpegtools/ (ebx_unclobber.patch gcc34.patch mjpegtools.desc): * merged 11714,11715,12171 from trunk: updated mjpegtools (1.6.2 -> 1.8.0) - 1.6.2 does not compile with our libquicktime
15:32 < valentin> rxr: we can merge that stuff when i come over now
15:34 < rxr> valentin: cool ,-)
15:34 < rxr> I can prepare some tea until then
15:34 < rxr> valentin: the Sgi Octane was sent out today - maybe I get it tomorrow ,-)
15:35 < valentin> nice
15:35 < valentin> rxr: do i have to bring my own computer
15:35 < valentin> or do you have some workstation left ?
15:38 < rxr> ouhm
15:38 < rxr> don't need to bring one with you
15:39 < mnemoc> rxr: which octane?
15:41 < rxr> 80EUR one for testing ...
15:41 < rxr> 2 CPU 195Mhz 798 MB RAM
15:44 < mnemoc> nice
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15:46 < rxr> I hope it isn't slower than the slow rs6k ...
15:49 < valentin> cu then
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15:51 < madtux> wb karasz 
15:51 < madtux> good day valentin und rxr
15:56 < karasz> hmmm no /dev/fb/0 ??
15:56 < karasz> tried to modprobe intelfb but 0 file does not get created...
15:57 < karasz> is there a module for vmware?
15:57 < karasz> i think i saw something like xorg-vmware.... rxr?
16:01 < karasz> yes... xf86-video-vmware
16:07 < rxr> karasz: do you work with trunk or 2.1 ?
16:07 < karasz> 2.1
16:07 < karasz> for now
16:07 < karasz> struggeling like a fish on the dry with vmware
16:10 < rxr> karasz: in 2.1 the driver is included in xorg
16:10 < rxr> named vmware
16:10 < rxr> but I never used it - since I never used vmware
16:10 < karasz> modprobe vmware saqy that there is not such a driver...
16:14 < rxr> no modprobe
16:14 < rxr> X drivers are user-space stuff
16:14 < rxr> /etc/X11/xorg.conf holds the video driver to use
16:19 < karasz> case solved
16:20 < karasz> thanx exe
16:20 < karasz> ???
16:20 < karasz> exe?
16:20 < karasz> i meant rxr
16:20 < karasz> :$
16:23 < mnemoc> rene.exe
16:23 < mnemoc> .oO( dosemu or wine? )o
16:25 < rxr> hey, my name is not Makefile ...
16:26 < mnemoc> *g*
16:26 < rxr> mnemoc: so we can than put mips and mips64 of the list of well mainteined platforms ...
16:27 < mnemoc> :D
16:40 < madtux> mmm?
16:46 < mnemoc> rxr: have you tried wine 0.9? works?
16:53 < jsaw> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.14.1
16:56 < mnemoc> outch
17:05 < CIA-14> jsaw * r13287 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: 
17:05 < CIA-14> * update linux26 (2.6.14 -> 2.6.14.1)
17:05 < CIA-14>  see http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.14.1
17:05 < CIA-14>  (only tested if patches apply cleanly)
17:43 < rxr> mnemoc: I have not tried it myself, but archista, worked as the last snapshot\
17:43 < rxr> in the meantime there is already winwe 9.1
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19:09 < karasz> brb
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19:13 < karasz> whouu
19:13 < karasz> still not the real thing but closer
19:13 < karasz> now i don't feel like a fish on the dry
19:13 < karasz> more like a fish in a jar
19:17 < rxr> .-)
19:20 < karasz> rxr is there a reason why i didn't have the 0 file in /dev/fb/0  ?
19:21 < karasz> i mean there must be one but is it a bug?
19:27 < rxr> no framebuffer loaded
19:27 < rxr> do you need it for anything ?
19:27 < karasz> now i dont
19:28 < karasz> but it was the first choise for Xorg
19:28 < rxr> it is just a dead slow fallback
19:28 < karasz> which didn't load because it canot find /dev/fb/0
19:28 < rxr> use vmware or the one for your real hardware
19:28 < karasz> now i use vmware but it was nopt detected
19:29 < karasz> i had to add it manualy in xorg.conf
19:29 < karasz> but i guess that is just vmware stuff
19:29 < karasz> not important
19:38 < rxr> karasz: 2.1 has no automatic X configuration by default
19:39 < rxr> 2.2 and the associated live cd has ,-)
19:39 < karasz> i am browsing now the package list on www.t2-project.org
19:39 < rxr> I think I added the "new" xcfgt2 to 2.1 and the stone menu as well so this can be run manually when wanted ...
19:39 < mnemoc> that package list is from trunk
19:39 < karasz> shouldn't that be specified somewhere?
19:39 < karasz> i mean that it is from trunk noe 2.1
19:39 < karasz> ?
19:40 < mnemoc> i just specified it to you :)
19:40 < karasz> :)
19:40 < karasz> i meant something like packages availabe in 2.1 .... packs available in trunk....
19:41 < karasz> rxr X11 config from stone didi't noticed my vmware svga
19:42 < mnemoc> 2.1 doesn't have xcfgt2 afaik
19:42 < karasz> but don't mind about that, i am sure that not too many people use vmware
19:42 < karasz> i checked it has no xcfg2
19:43 < karasz> just xcfg
19:43 < mnemoc> i'll probably merge that feature to 2.0 soon
19:44 < karasz> 2.0?
19:44 < karasz> you ment 2.1.0?
19:45 < rxr> yes sorry 2.1
19:46 < mnemoc> 2.1.1 or 2.1.2
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19:46 < karasz> mnemoc, rxr i know that it is not my business ( and maybe mnemoc will slap me :) ) but don't you think that it would be a nice feature
19:46 < karasz> to have some public place to put pack configs by anybody?
19:47 < CIA-14> amery * r13288 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9 -> 0.9.1)
19:48 < karasz> that send it to the ML doesn't seem very good to me...
19:48 < karasz> but again it is maybe just me who feels like that
19:49 < rxr> karasz: what are you talkiing about right now?
19:49 < mnemoc> he is drunk
19:50 < rxr> ?
19:50 < karasz> mnemoc i am not drunk
19:52 < mnemoc> if you say so
19:55 < karasz> i am pretty sure of it since i do not drink alcohol ever
19:55 < mnemoc> denial is a bad sign
19:56 < karasz> yeah
19:57 < karasz> anyway i scrolled back and i do not understand what was so quircky in what i said
19:57 < karasz> i meant the following
19:58 < karasz> and you can tell me if i am not right or i talk rubbish streight in the face
19:58 < karasz> svn write access is only for the developers
19:58 < karasz> guys and girls who know what they do
19:58 < karasz> and that is ok
19:58 < mnemoc> what do you want to do?
19:59 < karasz> but what difficultie can pose to make a public not endorsed repo ?
19:59 < mnemoc> what kind of repo?
20:00 < karasz> guys who want to contribute to T2 by adding new packs, but are not trusty enough or do not know well enough the T2 system to gain svn write
20:00 < mnemoc> send patches by email :)
20:01 < mnemoc> if they are not 'trusty enough' make them optional
20:01 < karasz> T2 maintainer could then extract from that repo packs which are of some importance and add it to svn
20:01 < mnemoc> O on [P] line of .desc
20:02 < karasz> yeah i know that `send it to ML` ...
20:02 < mnemoc> after a few good patches you can request write access
20:02 < karasz> i do not want write to svn
20:03 < karasz> i know too little abt T2 in particular and C programming in general to request that
20:04 < karasz> i just thought that making that public repo will ease on maintainers
20:04 < mnemoc> you only need to know the not-written policies, not programming languages
20:04 < karasz> an e-mail can take many forms
20:04 < mnemoc> svn is easy to maintain
20:04 < karasz> standardization is good
20:05 < karasz> i know that svn is good, but you still need to read the mail and extract the info by hand
20:05 < karasz> don't you?
20:05 < karasz> that is why i thought that you can in some way standardize the upload of .conf and.desc
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20:06 < MisterN> hi
20:06 < karasz> moin MisterN 
20:13 < karasz> and mnemoc i have a personal request, since i am a little touchy about that subject, please do not say again that i am drunk
20:15 < madtux> karasz, i bet mnemoc was drunk when he said it
20:15 < madtux> :)
20:15 < mnemoc> ok, i wont
20:15 < karasz> thank you mnemoc for understanding :)
20:15 < madtux> btw thanks for letting us know about it... so that we don't offend u or anything 
20:16 < madtux> right my master?
20:16 < mnemoc> right
20:21 < karasz> if you want to stick to the ML that is ok, but please make a standard ( subject, body, attachements) and post it on the site
20:21 < karasz> it will make life much more easier for guys like me ;)
20:22 < mnemoc> as documentation (use to) say, subject: [PATCH], patch attached as text/plain.
20:23 < mnemoc> [PATCH] prefixing a short description, of course
20:24 < mnemoc> most stuff is usefull on svn, the rest should go to CMS
20:25 < mnemoc> imho
20:30 < CIA-14> amery * r13289 /trunk/package/mail/nullmailer/nullmailer.desc: * updated nullmailer (1.00 -> 1.01)
20:36 < mnemoc> rxr: alive?
20:44 < karasz> cu later
20:44 < karasz> got to go now
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20:47 < valentin> re
20:48 < mnemoc> wb valentin 
20:48 < rxr> hi valentin 
20:52 < valentin> hi mnemoc and rxr
20:53 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
20:56 < rxr> valentin: got t2/trunk:HEAD's X.org working on both sparcs
20:56 < rxr> with two hackery points involved ...
20:56  * rxr now off to susan - cu later then
20:56 < mnemoc> cu rxr
20:56 < rxr> guess I should create the PR repository then ...
20:58 < valentin> cu rxr
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21:23 < mnemoc> morfoh!!!! 
21:25 < valentin> thou arest not here
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21:39 < rxr> re
21:41 < valentin> hi rxr
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21:41 < valentin> hi CIA-9 ;)
21:41 < rxr> what the hll is ooo building there ...
21:41 < rxr> ild/ooo680-m3/solver/680/unxlngi6.pro/lib/libaudio.a(ConnSvr.o): In function `_A
21:41 < rxr> uConnectServer':
21:41 < rxr> ConnSvr.c:(.text+0xb2c): undefined reference to `XauDisposeAuth'
21:41 < rxr> ConnSvr.c:(.text+0xc95): undefined reference to `XauGetBestAuthByAddr'
21:41 < rxr> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
21:42 < rxr> well, ...
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21:43 < valentin> libaudio ?
21:43 < valentin> cu CIA-9 :(
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21:56 < mnemoc> rxr: should i remove the '# No wrong absolute path in libc.so' hunk on 2.1's glibc.conf ?
21:59 < mnemoc> rxr: r12598
22:07 < mnemoc> uhm... there is a big bunch of revisions to review for 2.1 on glibc{,32}
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22:15 < CIA-1> amery * r13293 /branches/2.1/package/develop/intltool/intltool.desc: * merged 11593 from trunk: updated intltool (0.30 -> 0.34.1)
22:15 < CIA-1> amery * r13290 /trunk/package/base/runit/rockify.patch: * improved runit/3 to stop gdm, kdm and xdm on the beging so they don't respawn
22:26 < CIA-1> amery * r13294 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_bison.patch: * fixed dietlibc patch for bison to apply to bison-2.0
22:26 < CIA-1> rene * r13292 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: 
22:26 < CIA-1> * explicitly disable gnome-vfs for ooo when gnome-vfs is not installed
22:26 < CIA-1>  (a configure check aborts otherwise ...)
22:26 < CIA-1> amery * r13291 /trunk/package/mail/nullmailer/gcc34.patch: * removed obsolete gcc34 patch from nullmailer
22:27 < CIA-1> amery * r13295 /branches/2.1/package/mail/nullmailer/ (gcc34.patch nullmailer.desc): * merged 13289,13291 from trunk: updated nullmailer (1.00 -> 1.01)
22:37 < rxr> mnemoc: the glibc path hackery is not neede from what I saw
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22:53 < valentin> oooo: usb 1-1.1: 400mA over 100mA budget!
23:07 < valentin> how was cvs syntax again for checking out sth manually ?
23:08 < valentin> vs checkout -d URL MODULE ?
23:10 < valentin> nope
23:10 < valentin> why is cvs so complicated compared to svn ?
23:10 < valentin> didn't use cvs for 3 years and forgot everything
23:12 < valentin> what was that cvsroot thing again ?
23:15 < sepp_> something like:
23:15 < sepp_> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.$foo.com:/cvsroot/$project login
23:15 < sepp_> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.$foo.com:/cvsroot/$project co -P $dir
23:16 < valentin> ah yes
23:16 < valentin> need to prepend user before hostname
23:20 < sepp_> hehe i wrote it down some time because i always forgot the awkward syntax
23:23 < valentin> what was anonymous password for sourceforge ?
23:23 < sepp_> ""
23:24 < valentin> does not work
23:25 < sepp_> empty string does not work?
23:25 < sepp_> i mean just enter ...
23:25 < valentin> yes - have been rejected
23:25 < sepp_> hmmm
23:25 < valentin> cvs login: authorization failed
23:28 < valentin> well - i'll download my 5 files manually through the cvs viewer, then :(
23:30 < sepp_> well, it works here 
23:31 < valentin> maybe i have been to stupid...
23:31 < sepp_> maybe sf.net has the usual problem 
23:32 < sepp_> its really slow again
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