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00:24 < mnemoc> rxr: reply-to still @exactcode.de
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04:11 < madtux> hello
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06:42 < rxr> sparc kdepim:
06:42 < rxr> Cpu(s): 6.0% user, 5.1% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle, 88.9% IO-wait
06:42 < rxr> Mem: 253400k total, 251952k used, 1448k free, 184k buffers
06:42 < rxr> Swap: 262128k total, 165600k used, 96528k free, 2864k cached
06:42 < rxr> :-(
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10:07 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
10:07 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Fri Oct 21 13:16:04 2005]
10:07 [Users #t2]
10:07 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-15 ] [ karasz ] [ morfoh] [ owl ] [ sepp_ ]
10:07 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ geekitus] [ lewellyn] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ]
10:07 [ Baldzius ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ nzg ] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
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10:08 < valentin> moin
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12:11 < Baldzius> moin
12:22 < valentin> moin Baldzius
12:23 < Baldzius> moin valentin
12:35 < rxr_> re
12:35 < Baldzius> hi rxr
12:36 < rxr_> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/65309
12:36 < rxr_> dual core power on low power
12:39 < rxr_> in the DTP lab I have benn @ the uni today they disabled the Apple Terminal.app from the boxes for "enhanced security" - and that only for authenticated users like - not for the guest account ...
12:39 < rxr_> my oh my ...
12:44 < CIA-15> aldas * r12847 /trunk/package/develop/cln/ (cln.desc gcc4.patch):
12:44 < CIA-15> * updated cln (1.1.9 -> 1.1.10)
12:44 < CIA-15> * removed gcc4.patch - obsolete
12:45 < CIA-15> aldas * r12848 /trunk/package/develop/ginac/ (gcc4.patch ginac.desc):
12:45 < CIA-15> * updated ginac (1.3.2 -> 1.3.3)
12:45 < CIA-15> * removed gcc4.patch - obsolete
13:00 < valentin> rxr: i cannot use my https trunk anymore
13:00 < valentin> even relocating to http does not work
13:03 < rxr_> what is the error diagnostic?
13:03 < rxr_> I have no error here ...
13:03 < valentin> svn: Unrecognized URL scheme 'https://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk'
13:03 < rxr_> hm - s.th. broken on your machine I would day
13:03 < rxr_> say
13:03 < valentin> i had the same thing at your fathers pc
13:04 < rxr_> works on my box ... ,-)
13:07 < sepp_> i had the same thing, cyrus-sasl2 was missing on my box ...
13:08 < valentin> hi sepp_ , do i need to rebuild svn then ?
13:08 < sepp_> i emerged cyrus-sasl2 and then rebuild svn
13:10 < valentin> thx, i'll try
13:11 < valentin> strange thing is: relocation including update of trunk to https worked
13:13 < sepp_> that worked also worked on my but and then it said "svn: Unrecognized URL scheme 'https://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk'"
13:14 < sepp_> that also worked on my box ...
13:26 < valentin> damn pkgprefix stuff
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13:26 < valentin> someone should write an auto-prefix script that generates all the missing prefix tags
13:30 < rxr_> ?
13:47 < karasz> moin all
13:47 < karasz> rxr_ can i have a word with you?
13:50 < sepp_> ahh that sasl2 thing was wrong actually it was neon, --with-ssl is missing on subversion if you use no system wide neon :)
14:00 < valentin> ok
14:36 < CIA-15> aldas * r12850 /trunk/package/filesystem/parted/parted.desc: * updated parted (1.6.23 -> 1.6.24)
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14:40 < valentin> rxr: @13:34, i always rage about stuff like that: pkgprefix: expat record is old, please rebuild the package
14:43 < valentin> grummel... i need more hell of packages for subversion
14:43 < valentin> i think about grabbing a binary for now
14:51 < rxr_> valentin: your system is very old
14:51 < rxr_> t2 packages have the prefix since over half a year or so
14:53 < valentin> rxr: for more than half a year
14:53 < valentin> but it is quite annoying to insert theese tags manualy
14:54 < rxr_> valentin: there is a 1% chance you seem them in real life
14:54 < valentin> ?
14:54 < rxr_> decreasing every day
14:55 < valentin> i permanently need to edit them
14:59 < karasz> rxr_ can i have a word with you?
15:03 < karasz> got to go now
15:03 < karasz> but rxr_ i realy need to talk wit you
15:03 < karasz> i will try later
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16:31 < sherniux> Baldzius
16:31 < Baldzius> sherniux as lietuvoj
16:31 < sherniux> ok
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16:33 < sherniux> Baldzius ble
16:33 < sherniux> nesusigaudau
16:33 < sherniux> kokioj lietuvoj :))
16:33 < Baldzius> :)
16:33 < Baldzius> irc.le.lt
16:33 < sherniux> a
16:33 < sherniux> nu bandau
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16:51 < mnemoc> moin!
16:51 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc
16:51 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius
16:54 < rxr_> moin mnemoc
16:57 < mnemoc> moin rxr_
16:57 < mnemoc> rxr_: anything missing for 2.1.0 tag?
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17:04 < rxr_> .oO(I remeber I told someone to review some thousand revision ...)
17:04 < rxr_> Oo.
17:05 < mnemoc> nah.... i mean something important
17:05 < mnemoc> the others can wait for 2.1.1
17:05 < rxr_> mnemoc: go go
17:05 < rxr_> mnemoc: I had to do some sight seeing for my brother and carry a TFT to valentin - not much time the last two days ...
17:06 < mnemoc> ok
17:06 < rxr_> I'll come back to the 2.1.{1,2,3} ... review when I did the latest code pieces for archivista ...
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17:06 < mnemoc> :)
17:09 -!- You're now known as rxr
17:09 < rxr> oops
17:09 * rxr preparing a fresh white tea
17:09 < Baldzius> :)
17:21 < rxr> mnemoc: yesterday I saw extremly expensiyve nuts from chile here in berlin
17:21 < rxr> some natural food shop had those
17:22 < rxr> walnuts it have been ...
17:22 < mnemoc> :)
17:24 < rxr> are they that good in chile?
17:25 < rxr> they have been s.th. like 4x the normal prices ...
17:27 < mnemoc> most products made at chile are not sell at chile
17:47 < rxr> hm
18:14 < karasz> hello
18:15 < karasz> rxr i wanted to talk to you about that OpenPower server
18:15 < karasz> do you have a little time in private?
18:18 < mnemoc> why privatE? ;)
18:18 < karasz> private because it is a little sensitive info
18:19 < karasz> i'd like to provide a shell to that OpenPower
18:19 < karasz> so someboby can test stuff on it
18:20 < rxr> karasz: yes I'm here
18:26 < CIA-15> rene * r12851 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (.fluxbox/menu login-setup.sh): * added setup tool for the archivista webclient login
18:36 < CIA-15> aldas * r12852 /trunk/package/kde/amarok/amarok.desc: * updated amarok (1.3.4 -> 1.3.5)
18:38 < CIA-15> rene * r12853 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (Global.pm.in chpasswd.sh login-setup.sh): * moved shared archivista Global.pm code into Global.pm.in
18:41 < rxr> think the 270MHz sparc now built on the desktop target for a week or so ...
18:42 < rxr> 974 builds total, 763 completed fine, 22 with errors.
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18:53 < rxr> http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/59/Intel_C_Compiler_90.pdf
18:54 < rxr> mnemoc: the Intel CC article I wrote in the summer now in english ;-)
18:58 < mipe> anyone else getting math functions error on gawk during bootdisk target build?
18:58 < mipe> and in x86-64
18:58 < rxr> oehm,
18:58 < rxr> 2.1 ?
18:58 < mipe> no trunk
18:59 < rxr> hi mipe btw. ;-)
18:59 < mipe> errr... using trunk
18:59 < mipe> hi rxr :)
18:59 < rxr> trunk's bootdisk is not up-to-date and likelike obsoleted
18:59 < rxr> do you want to install a trunk in the next days?
19:00 < mipe> naah, i just tested... i'll begin desktop trunk build in weekend or so so after that i'm looking for working bootdisk target
19:01 < rxr> in trunk we might most probably svn rm bootdisk
19:01 < rxr> any target that meets a few requirements will directly become installable
19:01 < rxr> that is there will be a target output option like:
19:01 < rxr> - installable
19:01 < rxr> - livecd
19:01 < rxr> - ROM image
19:02 < rxr> e.g. the current live code does not really need to be a target
19:02 < rxr> I plan to have this working in about a week
19:02 < rxr> and in two weeks the new installer that replaces this properitary mine thing
19:02 < rxr> does that sound reasonable?
19:02 < mipe> yep, sounds great.
19:03 < rxr> good ,-)
19:03 < rxr> mipe: I now have a x86-64 sub-notebook - AMD Turion based
19:04 < mipe> yep i read irc logs from time to time and noticed that... it has speeded up the x86-64 development quite a bit :)
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19:07 < rxr> how are you ? - was some time since I saw you around ...
19:11 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks for the article :)
19:21 < CIA-15> amery * r12854 /branches/2.1/package/ (1281 files in 1281 dirs): * massivly updated .cache files from last stage-9 reference build
19:25 < rxr> ~
19:26 < rxr> trunk's bootdisk is not up-to-date and likelike obsoleted4
19:27 < rxr> oh / sorry
19:28 < mnemoc> ?
19:34 < rxr> cleaned my keys ...
19:34 < misl> hi folks
19:37 < rxr> hi misl
19:37 < rxr> oh valentin - I have one thing for your todo
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20:08 < valentin> re
20:21 < valentin> rxr: here ?
20:22 < misl> rxr: any word of morfoh yet?
20:24 < mnemoc> he was here yesterday
20:25 < misl> mnemoc: that's a big relief :)
20:25 < mnemoc> :)
20:26 < mnemoc> misl: will noisy be available these days?
20:27 < misl> mnemoc: it is available every day from about 8 in the morning till 19:30
20:27 < misl> You can use it for t2 builds as you please :)
20:29 < misl> the time is ofcourse local dutch time.
20:31 < misl> shutdown at 19:20 is a power cut. I am still looking for a cheap ups so it can shutdown gracefully.
20:31 < misl> mnemoc: Do you have any plans for 2.1 builds on it?
20:36 < mnemoc> i would like to build 2.1.0 isos there
20:36 < mnemoc> if it's possible
20:37 < mnemoc> what time is now there?
20:37 < misl> 20:35 :)
20:37 < mnemoc> +5
20:38 < mnemoc> so from 3am here
20:38 < misl> :)
20:39 < mnemoc> i'll have to set an alarm to start the builds i guess :p
20:40 < valentin> mnemoc: do a cron job on noisy
20:41 < mnemoc> :D
20:42 < mnemoc> locking can be a problem.... or it's always shutdown at 19:30?
20:42 < misl> rxr was mentioning some kind of script he intended to write so build start automatically on start up.
20:43 < misl> mnemoc: currently I use a time clock, this results in a hard power loss.
20:43 < mnemoc> Build-Target inside an screen socket by started by cron can be kind of easy
20:43 < mnemoc> misl: why not shutdown by cron?
20:44 < mnemoc> and start daily by bios
20:45 < misl> I will have a look next weekend if there is something in the bios for that.
20:46 < misl> I used software shutdown before but then it startup up in the middel of the night.
20:46 < misl> this happened with rxr first installed the os. We could not find any option for it in the bios. :(
20:47 < misl> I could use a software shutdown prior to the power cut.
20:51 < valentin> anyone knows checkpoint ?
20:52 < valentin> it is some kind of "suspend to disk" for processes
20:52 < valentin> one could use that to freeze the build before shutdown and continue on next boot
20:53 < rxr> valentin: coredump and reload
20:54 < valentin> rxr: this method cannot be applied for whole process trees ?
20:54 < rxr> not easily
20:55 < rxr> and coredump reload has limitation like sockets and other i/o stuff ...
20:55 < valentin> yeah
20:55 < rxr> in short: forget suspending your machien that way
20:55 < rxr> better get real suspend going
20:55 < rxr> e.g. even if it is fully sofware without hardware acpi support
20:55 < rxr> like linux software suspend to disk
20:58 < valentin> rxr: what was that x attibute tool called again ?
20:58 < rxr> xvattr
20:59 < rxr> valentin: there is minimalist work to do
20:59 < rxr> maybe you could schedule some time for that when you are tomorrow over here
21:00 < valentin> ok
21:00 < CIA-15> rene * r12856 /trunk/package/multimedia/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
21:00 < CIA-15> * fixed r12839, ffmpeg / mplayer postproc installation changes, to
21:00 < CIA-15> install everything from ffmpeg (not half of ffmpeg and half of
21:00 < CIA-15> mplayer)
21:01 < mnemoc> rxr: does that affect 2.1?
21:01 < valentin> rxr: cool, works
21:02 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, the lists have reply-to @ec.de
21:02 < rxr> mnemoc: no leave 2.1 as it is
21:02 < mnemoc> ok
21:02 < rxr> mnemoc: that is a ABI change, since postproc is now installed from ffmpeg not mplayer
21:03 < rxr> mnemoc: this is more clean - I think we did it the other way because 2 years ago the mplayer one worked and the ffmpeg one not
21:03 < rxr> mplayer carries the copy from ffmpeg - but it was fixed up
21:03 < mnemoc> ok
21:03 < rxr> mnemoc: you fixed klear?
21:05 < _Ragnar_> rxr: have you done a 64 build recently?
21:05 < rxr> my subnotebook does it - there are more regression then on trunk
21:05 < _Ragnar_> does 1-gcc build for you?
21:05 < mnemoc> rxr: it's in sync with trunk, and installs $bindir/klear.... but i haven't tested it on runtime
21:05 < rxr> I just do a Create-ErrList -newdelete build to see how many sustain and continue fixing
21:05 < rxr> mnemoc: was
21:05 < rxr> n't it that it installs the files only if they are not yet there?
21:05 < rxr> I review
21:06 < mnemoc> ok, i'll wait for tagging then
21:07 < rxr> _Ragnar_: please fix lib64 issues more generically
21:07 < rxr> _Ragnar_: from klear:
21:07 < rxr> -if [ $arch_machine = "x86_64" ]; then
21:07 < rxr> - var_append GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT " " "-I$KDEDIR/include -L$KDEDIR/lib64"
21:07 < rxr> -else
21:07 < rxr> - var_append GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT " " "-I$KDEDIR/include -L$KDEDIR/lib"
21:07 < rxr> -fi
21:07 < rxr> +var_append GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT " "
21:07 < rxr> + "-I$KDEDIR/include -L`pkgprefix libdir kdelibs`"
21:07 < rxr> +
21:08 < rxr> because sparc64 and powerpc64 among others potentially also use lib64 ...
21:08 < rxr> depending on the Config ...
21:08 < mnemoc> pkgprefix is nice :)
21:08 < rxr> mnemoc: T2 is nice ;-)
21:08 < _Ragnar_> ok
21:08 < mnemoc> :CD
21:08 < mnemoc> :D
21:09 < _Ragnar_> but I can't fix anything atm because of gcc not building ...
21:09 < rxr> oehm?
21:09 < rxr> stage ?
21:09 < _Ragnar_> 1
21:09 < rxr> HEAD ?
21:09 < _Ragnar_> yes
21:09 < rxr> uhm
21:09 < rxr> build here I think
21:09 < rxr> at least it did yesterday
21:10 < _Ragnar_> lacks a stubs-32.h
21:10 < rxr> let's see if it succesds in my -newdelete build
21:10 < rxr> _Ragnar_: uh
21:10 < rxr> that should be supplied by glibc32 ...
21:10 < rxr> is it in your package selection?
21:11 < _Ragnar_> should be
21:11 < rxr> _Ragnar_: the other thing for lib64 is to use:
21:11 < rxr> if [[ $libdir == *lib64 ]]; then ... ; fi
21:13 < _Ragnar_> ok
21:14 < _Ragnar_> hmmm ok glibc32 was somehow *glares at his bf* unselected :p
21:14 < _Ragnar_> thx
21:14 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - klear install right now
21:15 < rxr> hm - I do not need that -I injection anymore - I think I remove it from klear completly
21:16 < mnemoc> master rxr, using samba/cups when i print a page i get first a page telling '%% [ ProductName: ESP Ghostscript ]%%', then the real content, and trailing a third page with '%%[Page: 1]%% %%[LastPage]%%' .... any idea? :\
21:17 < rxr> so the printer prints empty pages?
21:17 < rxr> or what is the resulting issue?
21:17 < mnemoc> three pages
21:17 < rxr> instead of one?
21:17 < mnemoc> yep
21:17 < rxr> hm
21:17 < rxr> I also experienced big trouble with such stuff
21:18 < rxr> here the pstops thing of ghostscrpt and the associated pstoraster do screw up when the PostScript input has no page marks
21:18 < rxr> so pstops passes it thru and the raster driver does not have correct configuraiton yet - because it is only done on the first page
21:19 < rxr> resulting in the raster driver (for my color laser) not wanting to pring because it has not the proper resolution set of 600dpi or higher
21:19 < rxr> I tracked that a bit but the code was to crufty ...
21:19 < rxr> s.th. in that area could also be you issue
21:19 < rxr> maybe best ask on the cups mailing list or so
21:19 < rxr> I have not gotten into the cups code mess ...
21:19 * mnemoc feared that :\
21:21 < rxr> hm - klear now is hardcoded to install into $(INSTALL_ROOT)/usr/bin/
21:21 < rxr> what a hack
21:21 < CIA-15> amery * r12857 /tags/2.1.0/: * tagged 2.1.0
21:21 < rxr> well - and I know that people who wrote that code
21:21 < rxr> they are from my uni ...
21:21 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr* spank them
21:22 < CIA-15> rene * r12858 /trunk/package/multimedia/klear/klear.conf: * removed obsolete assignments from klear.conf
21:22 < rxr> mnemoc: we could open a new trac that klear does not honor $prefix
21:22 < rxr> do we want that ? ...
21:24 < mnemoc> helps to not forget
21:24 < rxr> klear does not work for me (tm)
21:24 < rxr> does nothing at startup ...
21:24 < mnemoc> *g*
21:25 < rxr> I might bother those devels the next time I meet them in the uni chill out room thing (tm)
21:26 < rxr> mnemoc: I reopen the existing klear ticket, ok?
21:28 < mnemoc> ok
21:28 < rxr> minor and trunk ...
21:28 < rxr> no milestone
21:29 < mnemoc> did you talk to morfoh? is he ok?
21:29 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, mostly fine
21:30 < rxr> we phone over an hour yesterday
21:30 < rxr> we will also meet most probably this weekend - I hope at least on my birthday
21:30 < mnemoc> when is your bday?
21:30 < rxr> he had to do some university learning and such thas was very important
21:30 < rxr> 30.10.
21:30 < mnemoc> ic
21:32 < mnemoc> announce day i hope ;)
21:32 < rxr> oh ,-)
21:32 < mnemoc> how is jsaw daughter called?
21:33 < rxr> oehm - dum di dum
21:33 < rxr> valentin: ?
21:33 < mnemoc> 2.0: mnemoc's 2.1: jsaw's 2.2: valentin's 2.3: rene's :p
21:34 < rxr> hahaha -)
21:34 < rxr> mnemoc the over optimistic ;-)
21:34 < mnemoc> will you force us to delay 2.3?
21:35 < rxr> we'll see when 2.3 will be ready ..
21:35 < CIA-15> rene * r12859 /trunk/package/filesystem/coda/coda.desc: * updated coda (6.0.12 -> 6.0.13)
21:35 < mnemoc> :)
21:35 < mnemoc> good answer
21:39 < CIA-15> rene * r12860 /trunk/package/printing/cups-pdf/cups-pdf.desc: * updated cups-pdf (2.0beta1 -> 2.0beta2)
21:44 < rxr> _Ragnar_: my book ist @ 2-gcc now
21:45 * rxr starting to switch the LCDs off ...
21:49 < valentin> rxr: i remember the name a bit...
21:50 < mnemoc> yuck... i forgot to commit samba merge :\
21:51 * misl off to bed
21:51 < misl> sleep well all
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21:51 < valentin> sleep well misl
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21:59 < CIA-15> amery * r12861 /tags/2.1.0/: * reverted 12857: removed boggus 2.1.0 tag, sorry :\
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22:20 < morfoh> moin
22:21 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
22:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: thx companero ... nice to see you ;)
22:22 < mnemoc> :)
22:23 < morfoh> :)
22:23 < valentin> what was that boggus tag ?
22:23 < valentin> hi morfoh btw
22:24 < morfoh> valentin: hi papa btw ... everything fine with your girls ? ;)
22:24 < mnemoc> i `svn st` the wrong working copy when i decided everything was commited
22:25 < mnemoc> and instead of doing lot of extra commits, i prefered to remove the boggus and tag when it's really ready
22:25 < valentin> morfoh: yes thanxs
22:25 < morfoh> uhm ... what are you talking about
22:37 < mnemoc> amery * r12857 /tags/2.1.0/: * tagged 2.1.0 amery * r12861 /tags/2.1.0/: * reverted 12857: removed boggus 2.1.0 tag, sorry :\
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23:10 < CIA-15> amery * r12862 /branches/2.1/package/network/samba/ (5 files):
23:10 < CIA-15> * merged 9869 from trunk: fixed samba.init to not quit without error if no config file is present
23:10 < CIA-15> * merged 11173,11519,12295,12643 from trunk: updated samba (3.0.14a -> 3.0.20b)
23:10 < CIA-15> * merged 12818 from trunk: fixed samba for sparc
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23:36 < karasz> re
23:36 < karasz> hi morfoh
23:36 < karasz> nice to `see` you again
23:37 < karasz> uh, oh got to reboot
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23:54 < karasz> back again
23:54 < karasz> :)
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23:57 < sepp__> thisMesh.vertices.push_back(vertex);
23:57 < sepp__> oops - sorry wrong window focused ...
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