T2 IRC Log: 2005-10-17
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--- Log opened Mon Oct 17 00:00:28 2005
01:37 < mnemoc> ewhi
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09:09 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 RELEASED! | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
09:09 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Sat Sep 17 20:47:59 2005]
09:09 [Users #t2]
09:09 [ _Lewellyn] [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_] [ owl] [ sparc-kly]
09:09 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ CIA-2 ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ rxr] [ valentin ]
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09:12 < rxr> re
09:35 < rxr> 2088 builds total, 1505 completed fine, 139 with errors.
09:46 -!- Tauras [n=tauras@c183-116.i02-6.onvol.net] has joined #t2
09:47 < Tauras> hello
09:47 < Tauras> I have a problem building t2 on debian base system
09:48 < Tauras> can someone suggest how to build t2 base development system and then embeded one?
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09:58 < rxr> Tauras: we even have prebuild binaries
10:01 < rxr> but building on debian should work as well - what problem do you run into ?
10:05 < Tauras> cannot build
10:05 < Tauras> actually no binaries appeared in build/xxxx tree
10:06 < Tauras> now i try to build bash separatly
10:06 < Tauras> scripts/Build-Pkg -cfg system bash
10:06 < rxr> Tauras: can you specifiy "cannot build" more precisely ?
10:07 < _Ragnar_> *g*
10:07 < rxr> with that Build-Pkg you build inside you running debian system - I hope you know that ,-)
10:07 < Tauras> system is default configuration
10:07 < rxr> hi _Ragnar_
10:07 < _Ragnar_> hi rene
10:07 * rxr booting into another kernel on my terminal system - cu soon
10:09 < Tauras> that Build-Pkg you build inside you running debian !?!?
10:10 < _Ragnar_> yes
10:10 < _Ragnar_> if you want to build chrooted you have to use Build-Target
10:10 < Tauras> great... so Emerge-Pkg will build and install into my host system, and I expected Build-Pkg to build into build/xxx-generic folder
10:12 < Tauras> so emerge differs from build-pkg only in dependency calculation and autodownload?
10:12 < rxr> re
10:12 < rxr> Tauras: yes
10:12 < Tauras> ok, then suggest how I can try building a target with dietlibc
10:13 < rxr> you can build single packages in the chroot by using Build-Target -cfg foo -job stagelevel-package
10:13 < Tauras> i have no dietlibc on debian
10:13 < rxr> Tauras: you don't need to
10:13 < rxr> T2 bootstraps all neded automatically
10:13 < rxr> including cross compiler and such
10:13 < rxr> what error do you get on Build-Target ?
10:13 < rxr> that is the really interesting thing to know
10:13 < rxr> the new kernel does also not recognize my 2nd sound card correctly...
10:14 < rxr> this always ever worked - damn - how I dislike regressions
10:15 < Tauras> I received many different errors, to be sure, let me to clean up and rebuild with build-target
10:15 < Tauras> btw, can you explain what stagelvl is?
10:20 < rxr> the build of T2 is devided into multiple stages
10:20 < rxr> 0 is creating the cross compiler toolchain - 1 the cross build and the stages above native builds inside the sandbox
10:21 < rxr> tp://dl.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/html/t2-handbookse73.html
10:22 < rxr> https://www2.t2-project.org/docs/devs/toolchain
10:34 < Tauras> thanx
10:34 < rxr> hm - I would say I can dump 2 sparc into trash or ebay ...
10:34 < rxr> they do not reliable build - random failures - very annoying ...
10:34 < rxr> so I got those two for free from the university - but I have no real use for instable systems ...
10:38 < rxr> mnemoc: you can do embeded by buying a Access Point and modify it:
10:38 < rxr> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00007KDVI/jimbuzbee/102-9265252-9163326?creative=125581&camp=2321&link_code=as1
10:39 < rxr> ^- this one runs linux and is below 100EUR ;-)
10:56 < Tauras> so far it is building, gcc turn
10:56 < Tauras> how to disable -g option of gcc?
10:58 < CIA-2> rene * r12627 /trunk/package/develop/php/php.conf: * enable support for jpeg and png in php if available?
10:59 < CIA-2> rene * r12628 /trunk/package/develop/php/php.conf: * moved some expressions on a single line in php.conf
10:59 < rxr> Tauras: globally ?
10:59 < Tauras> yes
10:59 < Tauras> i want to rebuild later without -g
11:04 < rxr> there are options for this in the Config
11:04 < rxr> enable expert options
11:04 < rxr> at the bottom you will find optimization and stripping options
11:04 < rxr> default is to build without debugging and to optimize -O2
11:04 < rxr> do not let the build output in the logs confuse you when you see other -O or -g options in them
11:05 < rxr> they are removed by the sandbox environment of T2 - so when a Makefile of whatever package injects whatever it wants the T2 wrappers remove those and inject what you selected
11:05 < Tauras> hmm, how come?
11:05 < rxr> they are not in the log because the Makefile prints those during execution
11:05 < rxr> what T2 uses is on the top of the log where the wrapper is tested
11:06 < rxr> e.g.
11:06 < rxr> Command Wrapper Debug: running 'gcc --version' ..
11:06 < rxr> OTHERS = 'ccache'
11:06 < rxr> INSERT = '-O2 -pipe'
11:06 < rxr> APPEND = '-s'
11:06 < rxr> Insert: -march=pentium-mmx
11:06 < rxr> ...
11:06 < rxr> ...
11:07 < Tauras> yes, but later I can see gcc -g -O2 ....
11:07 < rxr> yes - I wrote "this is what the Makefile prints out because such stuff is in the Makefile of the package
11:07 < rxr> "
11:08 < rxr> T2's wrapper throws those away and inject whatever we want - you select
11:08 < rxr> ed
11:08 < rxr> including running them thru ccache or distcc ,-)
11:08 < Tauras> ok then :)
11:24 < rxr> you'r welcome ,-)
11:25 < rxr> please notify us about the errors you get later on using debian
11:25 < rxr> our goal is to have t2 buildable on other distributions - though we do not test it that regularly since nearly everyone is using T2 as build host here ...
11:25 < rxr> but we are alwayd very open about such bug reports
11:26 < rxr> if you do not find anyone here best mail tot he list: t2@t2-project.org - you do not need a subscribtion
11:28 < Tauras> ok
11:29 < Tauras> currently I'm in stage 1, building glibc
11:29 < Tauras> current target is boot/resque
11:46 < CIA-2> rene * r12629 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/apache-https-enable.sh:
11:46 < CIA-2> * made archivista/apache-https-enable.sh more robust, check the entered
11:46 < CIA-2> language code and print a help for obviously invalid codes and check
11:46 < CIA-2> if the key and certificate really have been created
12:03 < CIA-2> rene * r12630 /trunk/package/network/vsftpd/vsftpd.desc: * removed typo and generic t2 addres as maintainer from vsftpd.desc
12:06 < rxr> http://developer.axis.com/products/etrax100lx/18354_etrax_lx.pdf
12:06 < rxr> mnemoc: http://developer.axis.com/products/etrax100lx/18354_etrax_lx.pdf
12:07 < rxr> mnemoc: seems to include two paralle ports - and is linux support - it is Axis own CRIS architecture
12:07 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea about the price tag - maybe not that cheap since the chip seems to include even SCSI ...
12:11 < rxr> mnemoc: 289USD for the development board ...
12:13 < rxr> mnemoc: the CPU alone is USD 29
12:19 < CIA-2> rene * r12631 /trunk/architecture/ (README cleanup.sh):
12:19 < CIA-2> * removed lingering cleanup.sh script and update the README in
12:19 < CIA-2> architecture/
12:22 < rxr> on my stable sparc T2 head builds without random segfaults ...
12:24 < rxr> mnemoc: those chips are quite cool:
12:24 < rxr> mnemoc: http://developer.axis.com/products/etrax100lx/
12:25 < rxr> mnemoc: how soon do you need your print server station thing?
12:25 < rxr> mnemoc: time to develop a custom T2 embeded PCB for those ?
12:31 < CIA-2> rene * r12632 /trunk/architecture/m68k/ (9 files): * added basic m68k definitions
12:34 < CIA-2> rene * r12633 /trunk/architecture/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
12:34 < CIA-2> * removed stray m68k/kernel.conf.m4 and added basic cris (Axis)
12:34 < CIA-2> definitions
12:49 < mnemoc> moin
12:49 < rxr> moin mnemoc
12:49 < mnemoc> moin rxr
12:49 < rxr> pasted some notes for you above ,-)
12:49 * mnemoc reading ;)
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12:52 < rxr> I guess I have two sparc for the garbage can ...
12:53 < rxr> my only brought (non-free) SPARC is building just fine - the other two uni ones do randomly abort ...
12:54 < mnemoc> a custom T2 embeded PCB??
12:54 < mnemoc> i have no idea how to do something like htat?
12:54 < mnemoc> s/?//
12:55 < rxr> mnemoc: I can do the PCB
12:55 < rxr> mnemoc: have you found some other board that fit's your needs?
12:55 < rxr> mnemoc: also with two paralle ports?
12:56 < rxr> mnemoc: this chip has enought pins for _two_ parallel ports already
12:56 < mnemoc> i'm waiting for the price of this: http://www.acrosser.com/Product/Embedded%20PC/PC104/pc104_486stpc_b1423a.html
12:56 < mnemoc> and for a aditional com/ltp pc104 card to plug on top
12:58 < mnemoc> uhm.... the removed pc104 from their catalog
12:59 < mnemoc> that ETRAX chip looks cool
12:59 < rxr> they list it for 104$ on their overview adv. site ...
13:00 < owl> moin.
13:00 < mnemoc> moin rxr
13:01 < mnemoc> rxr: just the chip? :\
13:02 < rxr> http://www.acrosser.com/pc104.htm
13:02 < rxr> ^- the whole thing 104$
13:04 * mnemoc would love to lear to PCB anyway :p
13:04 < mnemoc> learn*
13:11 < rxr> did you have eletronics, digital systems and other logic stuff in uni?
13:12 < rxr> right now a rather big bounch of linux world expo cards arrived here ...
13:12 < mnemoc> only theoric
13:16 < mnemoc> 2005-10-17 08:09:59: (log.c.73) server started
13:16 < mnemoc> 2005-10-17 08:10:02: (network_linux_sendfile.c.169) sendfile failed: Invalid argument 4
13:16 < mnemoc> 2005-10-17 08:10:02: (connections.c.498) connection closed: write failed on fd 4
13:16 < mnemoc> ^--- yuck yuck lighttpd
13:17 < rxr> ?
13:18 < CIA-2> amery * r12634 /trunk/package/base/bcron/bcron.conf: * set bcron' sysconfdir
13:18 < owl> http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/product_info.php/notebooks/ibm/r52reihe/ibm_thinkpad_r52_alviso_un364ge <- what do you think about this NB?
13:22 * rxr never had an IBM notebook
13:24 < mnemoc> rxr: do you use lighttpd somewhere?
13:24 < owl> well. i guess i will order it...
13:26 < mnemoc> i have hear very good coments of thinkpads
13:26 < rxr> mnemoc: nope
13:26 < rxr> mnemoc: what tiny fast secure ftp server would you use?
13:26 < rxr> mnemoc: vsftpd ?
13:26 < owl> mnemoc: dito @ comments
13:28 < mnemoc> twoftpd
13:31 < rxr> mnemoc: I don't need /service stuff or so for it ?
13:32 < rxr> ah - bglibs ...
13:32 < rxr> mnemoc: ever used vsftpd ?
13:32 < mnemoc> yes
13:32 < mnemoc> bglibs and cvm
13:33 < mnemoc> i have to go
13:44 < rxr> cu mnemoc
13:52 < CIA-2> rene * r12635 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
13:52 < CIA-2> * do not only extract linuxthreads from the glibc-ports tarball, but
13:52 < CIA-2> anything useful
14:48 < Baldzius> moin
14:55 < CIA-2> aldas * r12636 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-firmware/alsa-firmware.desc: * updated alsa-firmware (1.0.9 -> 1.0.10rc2)
15:01 < karasz> moin everybody
15:02 < karasz> guys what can you tell me about T2 on ppc64?
15:04 < rxr> not widely tested so far ...
15:13 < karasz> i am not sure but i guess OpenPower has ppc64 isn't it?
15:14 < rxr> yep
15:14 < rxr> do you have one ?
15:14 < karasz> not right now
15:14 < karasz> but i will recive one for testing in some time
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15:15 < karasz> and i do not like at all the fact that it has support only for suse and rh
15:16 < karasz> why do you ask rxr ?
15:16 < rxr> karasz: just so - would be nice someone keeping sure t2 runs on them
15:17 < rxr> I just started a new test build for powerpc64
15:17 < rxr> I think I'll have a Apple Dual G5 sooner than later
15:17 < rxr> powerpc64 should be straight forware to build
15:17 < rxr> I can help fixing issues if there arise some
15:17 < rxr> powerpc is a main architecture - we have a lot of those 32bit Power systems around
15:18 < karasz> if my deal works out with ibm maybe i will have an OpenPower not only for testing
15:18 < karasz> i knew abt powerpc but those ppc64 seem to not be very well endorsed
15:19 < karasz> i only found a very quiet debian branch for them
15:19 < rxr> what kind of deal with IBM ;-)?
15:19 < karasz> they asked me to become their ISV partner here
15:20 < karasz> i guess they are trying to push OpenPower here but lack apps to run on it
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16:28 < rxr> re
17:22 < CIA-2> rene * r12637 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
17:22 < CIA-2> * added removal of CVS files to the glibc-ports extraction since glibc
17:22 < CIA-2> does try to autocommit regenerated files via cvs, what obviously
17:22 < CIA-2> fails
17:25 < rxr> cu
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18:34 < misl> hi folks
18:34 < rxr> hi
18:34 < misl> hi rxr
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18:40 < rxr> phoningg
18:41 < sparc-kly|WORK> hi ppl
18:52 < rxr> so
18:53 < Baldzius> rxr: is subversion compiling for you with new apr?
18:55 < rxr> Baldzius: yep - it built fine some days ago
18:56 < Baldzius> hm ok i'll try to downgrade swig
18:56 < Baldzius> but error is : /usr/include/apr.h:400: Error: no decision has been made on APR_PATH_MAX for your platform
18:57 < rxr> oehm
18:57 < rxr> don't try swig upadte
18:57 < rxr> that is apr
18:57 < rxr> but I do not get that error
19:08 < Baldzius> rxr: it fails with new swig 1.3.27
19:08 < Baldzius> with 1.3.24 compiles
19:23 < CIA-2> rene * r12638 /trunk/package/base/util-linux/sparc.patch: * fixed util-linux for latest glibc on sparc
19:36 < misl> newsbreak. Bird flu in Germany!
19:38 < misl> he he, you guys from Germany will have a bird for prime minister. :)
19:39 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:56 < CIA-2> rene * r12639 /trunk/package/filesystem/fuse/fuse.desc: * updated fuse (2.3.0 -> 2.4.1)
19:57 < CIA-2> rene * r12640 /trunk/architecture/powerpc/config.in:
19:57 < CIA-2> * resorted the powerpc optimization options and made powerpc (not common)
19:57 < CIA-2> the default (so I do not forget to select it for every build I do and
19:57 < CIA-2> forget it equally often - which results in mostly useless builds)
19:58 < rxr> wow - t2 update are often faster than http://freshmeat.net
20:16 < Baldzius> hm zope doesn't like python 2.4* even latest
20:45 < rxr> mnemoc: trunk:mostly-HEAD is able to bootstrap 32 and 64bit SPARC now, again
20:45 < rxr> even the 32bit default sparc64 multilib variant
20:45 < rxr> the only change I have locally is rc.c fix on the list
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21:03 < karasz> rxr: still on?
21:03 < rxr> yep
21:03 < karasz> did you worked with Power64 cpus?
21:04 < karasz> and if yes how did they compare with opteron?
21:07 < rxr> karasz: I only had a G5 iMac here for a bit over a week - unfortunatly the 32bit PowerPC T2 CD did not boot and I had no time to build on it
21:08 < karasz> hmm
21:08 < rxr> karasz: from experience I would say slightly slower than Opteron - at least the consumer ones from Apple
21:08 < rxr> the big cache and high-end from IBM may vary
21:08 < rxr> why do you ask ?
21:08 < karasz> i was afraid of that
21:08 < karasz> i am a guy that likes to be prepared
21:14 < rxr> karasz: though the performance of the bigger IBM boxes might be superiour
21:14 < rxr> karasz: I would say best find out ,-)
21:15 < karasz> i will
21:15 < rxr> also consider the virtualization features of the boxes and the high quality ... ,-)
21:15 < karasz> in a week or so, i will learn my faith :(
21:17 < rxr> please built a T2 on it ,-)
21:45 < karasz> rxr: i will certanly try to
21:46 < karasz> when it comes to it i will ask your help guys ;)
21:54 < CIA-2> rene * r12641 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config:
21:54 < CIA-2> * also build dietlibc packages with 64bit, despite otherwise defaulting
21:54 < CIA-2> to 32bit in the special sparc64 setup
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22:31 < CIA-2> rene * r12642 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config: * mangle the package name as in dietlibc for the new sparc64 dietlibc 32/64bit case
22:47 < mnemoc> rehi
22:49 < rxr> hi mnemoc
22:49 < mnemoc> hi rxr
22:49 < rxr> load average: 3.94, 3.98, 4.03
22:49 < mnemoc> :)
22:49 < rxr> ^- since some days I load my poor build athlon to new stress test limits ...
22:49 < rxr> mnemoc: trunk:HEAD builds really good on sparc
22:50 < rxr> mnemoc: also finally my new 64bit sparc defaulting to 32bit user-space compiles now ...
22:50 < rxr> mnemoc: and I added cris and m68k defines to T2 today ...
22:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I'll work on the router target soon - implementing an Access Point sub category or so ...
22:51 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you ?
22:53 < mnemoc> tired but ok ;)
22:53 < mnemoc> and you?
22:53 < rxr> I should have had archivista ftp server integration handy until the morning
22:53 < rxr> but I did too much T2 tinkering along the road ...
22:56 < rxr> on powerpc64 glibc32 does not build
22:56 < rxr> hoever a 32bit glibc builds when built for pure powerpc :-(
22:57 < rxr> well - I should go to bed - do some more ftp server tinkering and go to uni tomorrow morning ...
22:59 < mnemoc> what ftp will you use?
23:00 < rxr> vsftpd I think
23:14 < CIA-2> aldas * r12643 /trunk/package/network/samba/samba.desc: * updated samba (3.0.20a -> 3.0.20b)
23:20 < rxr> anything is too heavyweight - maybe I should rather use gatling .oO
23:20 < mnemoc> twoftp is very light
23:21 < mnemoc> there is something stronger than kill -9?
23:21 < mnemoc> root 11555 0.0 0.3 3772 2964 ? D 05:00 0:17 /usr/bin/find / <---- doesn't want to die
23:24 < rxr> then it most probably is in a syscall
23:24 * mnemoc rebooting :\
23:24 < rxr> any change it is hanging on some stalled remote mount?
23:25 < rxr> mnemoc: I only need upload functionallity and that as simple as possible
23:29 < rxr> ok - gatling has no authentication - then I can not use it .-(
23:29 < rxr> otherwise it would be very find ..
23:30 < rxr> ok - 2.6.1 kernel on my sparc - cries for an update ..
23:30 < rxr> ok - /me bed - cu all
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23:31 < Baldzius> rxr: is it safe to update syslinux?
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23:31 < Baldzius> oh well gn8 rxr :)
23:32 < menomc> Baldzius: usually yes, but some targets have hardcoded versions of it on their scripts, so you have to fix those too
23:33 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i think i leave as it is :)
23:33 < Baldzius> don't want to make troubles
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23:37 < CIA-2> aldas * r12644 /trunk/package/x11/fluxbox/no-bsetroot.diff:
23:37 < CIA-2> * removed no-bsetroot.diff - from 0.9.14 bsetroot is replaced
23:37 < CIA-2> by fbsetroot
23:39 < mnemoc> like framebuffer :p
23:40 < Baldzius> :)
23:46 < Baldzius> i guess all packages should have cksum?
23:48 < mnemoc> of course
23:48 < mnemoc> and for the samename the cksum can't ever change
23:48 < mnemoc> same name*
23:49 < CIA-2> amery * r12645 /trunk/package/security/vserver/stone_mod_vserver.sh: * changed mod_vserver to use initstyle=plain on creation
23:49 < Baldzius> ic
23:49 < Baldzius> thanks :)
23:54 < CIA-2> aldas * r12646 /trunk/package/archiver/7zip/7zip.desc: * added missing cksum for 7zip
23:57 < CIA-2> amery * r12647 /trunk/package/base/cron/ (cron.conf cron.run cron.run.sh): * renamed cron.run to cron.run.sh (on $confdir only) to be handled by CopyPatch
23:58 < CIA-2> amery * r12648 /trunk/package/base/bcron/bcron.conf: * adapted bcron to new name of cron.run
23:59 < CIA-2> aldas * r12649 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.desc: * added missing cksum for xorg-server
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01:37 < mnemoc> ewhi
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09:09 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Sat Sep 17 20:47:59 2005]
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09:12 < rxr> re
09:35 < rxr> 2088 builds total, 1505 completed fine, 139 with errors.
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09:47 < Tauras> hello
09:47 < Tauras> I have a problem building t2 on debian base system
09:48 < Tauras> can someone suggest how to build t2 base development system and then embeded one?
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09:58 < rxr> Tauras: we even have prebuild binaries
10:01 < rxr> but building on debian should work as well - what problem do you run into ?
10:05 < Tauras> cannot build
10:05 < Tauras> actually no binaries appeared in build/xxxx tree
10:06 < Tauras> now i try to build bash separatly
10:06 < Tauras> scripts/Build-Pkg -cfg system bash
10:06 < rxr> Tauras: can you specifiy "cannot build" more precisely ?
10:07 < _Ragnar_> *g*
10:07 < rxr> with that Build-Pkg you build inside you running debian system - I hope you know that ,-)
10:07 < Tauras> system is default configuration
10:07 < rxr> hi _Ragnar_
10:07 < _Ragnar_> hi rene
10:07 * rxr booting into another kernel on my terminal system - cu soon
10:09 < Tauras> that Build-Pkg you build inside you running debian !?!?
10:10 < _Ragnar_> yes
10:10 < _Ragnar_> if you want to build chrooted you have to use Build-Target
10:10 < Tauras> great... so Emerge-Pkg will build and install into my host system, and I expected Build-Pkg to build into build/xxx-generic folder
10:12 < Tauras> so emerge differs from build-pkg only in dependency calculation and autodownload?
10:12 < rxr> re
10:12 < rxr> Tauras: yes
10:12 < Tauras> ok, then suggest how I can try building a target with dietlibc
10:13 < rxr> you can build single packages in the chroot by using Build-Target -cfg foo -job stagelevel-package
10:13 < Tauras> i have no dietlibc on debian
10:13 < rxr> Tauras: you don't need to
10:13 < rxr> T2 bootstraps all neded automatically
10:13 < rxr> including cross compiler and such
10:13 < rxr> what error do you get on Build-Target ?
10:13 < rxr> that is the really interesting thing to know
10:13 < rxr> the new kernel does also not recognize my 2nd sound card correctly...
10:14 < rxr> this always ever worked - damn - how I dislike regressions
10:15 < Tauras> I received many different errors, to be sure, let me to clean up and rebuild with build-target
10:15 < Tauras> btw, can you explain what stagelvl is?
10:20 < rxr> the build of T2 is devided into multiple stages
10:20 < rxr> 0 is creating the cross compiler toolchain - 1 the cross build and the stages above native builds inside the sandbox
10:21 < rxr> tp://dl.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/html/t2-handbookse73.html
10:22 < rxr> https://www2.t2-project.org/docs/devs/toolchain
10:34 < Tauras> thanx
10:34 < rxr> hm - I would say I can dump 2 sparc into trash or ebay ...
10:34 < rxr> they do not reliable build - random failures - very annoying ...
10:34 < rxr> so I got those two for free from the university - but I have no real use for instable systems ...
10:38 < rxr> mnemoc: you can do embeded by buying a Access Point and modify it:
10:38 < rxr> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00007KDVI/jimbuzbee/102-9265252-9163326?creative=125581&camp=2321&link_code=as1
10:39 < rxr> ^- this one runs linux and is below 100EUR ;-)
10:56 < Tauras> so far it is building, gcc turn
10:56 < Tauras> how to disable -g option of gcc?
10:58 < CIA-2> rene * r12627 /trunk/package/develop/php/php.conf: * enable support for jpeg and png in php if available?
10:59 < CIA-2> rene * r12628 /trunk/package/develop/php/php.conf: * moved some expressions on a single line in php.conf
10:59 < rxr> Tauras: globally ?
10:59 < Tauras> yes
10:59 < Tauras> i want to rebuild later without -g
11:04 < rxr> there are options for this in the Config
11:04 < rxr> enable expert options
11:04 < rxr> at the bottom you will find optimization and stripping options
11:04 < rxr> default is to build without debugging and to optimize -O2
11:04 < rxr> do not let the build output in the logs confuse you when you see other -O or -g options in them
11:05 < rxr> they are removed by the sandbox environment of T2 - so when a Makefile of whatever package injects whatever it wants the T2 wrappers remove those and inject what you selected
11:05 < Tauras> hmm, how come?
11:05 < rxr> they are not in the log because the Makefile prints those during execution
11:05 < rxr> what T2 uses is on the top of the log where the wrapper is tested
11:06 < rxr> e.g.
11:06 < rxr> Command Wrapper Debug: running 'gcc --version' ..
11:06 < rxr> OTHERS = 'ccache'
11:06 < rxr> INSERT = '-O2 -pipe'
11:06 < rxr> APPEND = '-s'
11:06 < rxr> Insert: -march=pentium-mmx
11:06 < rxr> ...
11:06 < rxr> ...
11:07 < Tauras> yes, but later I can see gcc -g -O2 ....
11:07 < rxr> yes - I wrote "this is what the Makefile prints out because such stuff is in the Makefile of the package
11:07 < rxr> "
11:08 < rxr> T2's wrapper throws those away and inject whatever we want - you select
11:08 < rxr> ed
11:08 < rxr> including running them thru ccache or distcc ,-)
11:08 < Tauras> ok then :)
11:24 < rxr> you'r welcome ,-)
11:25 < rxr> please notify us about the errors you get later on using debian
11:25 < rxr> our goal is to have t2 buildable on other distributions - though we do not test it that regularly since nearly everyone is using T2 as build host here ...
11:25 < rxr> but we are alwayd very open about such bug reports
11:26 < rxr> if you do not find anyone here best mail tot he list: t2@t2-project.org - you do not need a subscribtion
11:28 < Tauras> ok
11:29 < Tauras> currently I'm in stage 1, building glibc
11:29 < Tauras> current target is boot/resque
11:46 < CIA-2> rene * r12629 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/apache-https-enable.sh:
11:46 < CIA-2> * made archivista/apache-https-enable.sh more robust, check the entered
11:46 < CIA-2> language code and print a help for obviously invalid codes and check
11:46 < CIA-2> if the key and certificate really have been created
12:03 < CIA-2> rene * r12630 /trunk/package/network/vsftpd/vsftpd.desc: * removed typo and generic t2 addres as maintainer from vsftpd.desc
12:06 < rxr> http://developer.axis.com/products/etrax100lx/18354_etrax_lx.pdf
12:06 < rxr> mnemoc: http://developer.axis.com/products/etrax100lx/18354_etrax_lx.pdf
12:07 < rxr> mnemoc: seems to include two paralle ports - and is linux support - it is Axis own CRIS architecture
12:07 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea about the price tag - maybe not that cheap since the chip seems to include even SCSI ...
12:11 < rxr> mnemoc: 289USD for the development board ...
12:13 < rxr> mnemoc: the CPU alone is USD 29
12:19 < CIA-2> rene * r12631 /trunk/architecture/ (README cleanup.sh):
12:19 < CIA-2> * removed lingering cleanup.sh script and update the README in
12:19 < CIA-2> architecture/
12:22 < rxr> on my stable sparc T2 head builds without random segfaults ...
12:24 < rxr> mnemoc: those chips are quite cool:
12:24 < rxr> mnemoc: http://developer.axis.com/products/etrax100lx/
12:25 < rxr> mnemoc: how soon do you need your print server station thing?
12:25 < rxr> mnemoc: time to develop a custom T2 embeded PCB for those ?
12:31 < CIA-2> rene * r12632 /trunk/architecture/m68k/ (9 files): * added basic m68k definitions
12:34 < CIA-2> rene * r12633 /trunk/architecture/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
12:34 < CIA-2> * removed stray m68k/kernel.conf.m4 and added basic cris (Axis)
12:34 < CIA-2> definitions
12:49 < mnemoc> moin
12:49 < rxr> moin mnemoc
12:49 < mnemoc> moin rxr
12:49 < rxr> pasted some notes for you above ,-)
12:49 * mnemoc reading ;)
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12:52 < rxr> I guess I have two sparc for the garbage can ...
12:53 < rxr> my only brought (non-free) SPARC is building just fine - the other two uni ones do randomly abort ...
12:54 < mnemoc> a custom T2 embeded PCB??
12:54 < mnemoc> i have no idea how to do something like htat?
12:54 < mnemoc> s/?//
12:55 < rxr> mnemoc: I can do the PCB
12:55 < rxr> mnemoc: have you found some other board that fit's your needs?
12:55 < rxr> mnemoc: also with two paralle ports?
12:56 < rxr> mnemoc: this chip has enought pins for _two_ parallel ports already
12:56 < mnemoc> i'm waiting for the price of this: http://www.acrosser.com/Product/Embedded%20PC/PC104/pc104_486stpc_b1423a.html
12:56 < mnemoc> and for a aditional com/ltp pc104 card to plug on top
12:58 < mnemoc> uhm.... the removed pc104 from their catalog
12:59 < mnemoc> that ETRAX chip looks cool
12:59 < rxr> they list it for 104$ on their overview adv. site ...
13:00 < owl> moin.
13:00 < mnemoc> moin rxr
13:01 < mnemoc> rxr: just the chip? :\
13:02 < rxr> http://www.acrosser.com/pc104.htm
13:02 < rxr> ^- the whole thing 104$
13:04 * mnemoc would love to lear to PCB anyway :p
13:04 < mnemoc> learn*
13:11 < rxr> did you have eletronics, digital systems and other logic stuff in uni?
13:12 < rxr> right now a rather big bounch of linux world expo cards arrived here ...
13:12 < mnemoc> only theoric
13:16 < mnemoc> 2005-10-17 08:09:59: (log.c.73) server started
13:16 < mnemoc> 2005-10-17 08:10:02: (network_linux_sendfile.c.169) sendfile failed: Invalid argument 4
13:16 < mnemoc> 2005-10-17 08:10:02: (connections.c.498) connection closed: write failed on fd 4
13:16 < mnemoc> ^--- yuck yuck lighttpd
13:17 < rxr> ?
13:18 < CIA-2> amery * r12634 /trunk/package/base/bcron/bcron.conf: * set bcron' sysconfdir
13:18 < owl> http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/product_info.php/notebooks/ibm/r52reihe/ibm_thinkpad_r52_alviso_un364ge <- what do you think about this NB?
13:22 * rxr never had an IBM notebook
13:24 < mnemoc> rxr: do you use lighttpd somewhere?
13:24 < owl> well. i guess i will order it...
13:26 < mnemoc> i have hear very good coments of thinkpads
13:26 < rxr> mnemoc: nope
13:26 < rxr> mnemoc: what tiny fast secure ftp server would you use?
13:26 < rxr> mnemoc: vsftpd ?
13:26 < owl> mnemoc: dito @ comments
13:28 < mnemoc> twoftpd
13:31 < rxr> mnemoc: I don't need /service stuff or so for it ?
13:32 < rxr> ah - bglibs ...
13:32 < rxr> mnemoc: ever used vsftpd ?
13:32 < mnemoc> yes
13:32 < mnemoc> bglibs and cvm
13:33 < mnemoc> i have to go
13:44 < rxr> cu mnemoc
13:52 < CIA-2> rene * r12635 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
13:52 < CIA-2> * do not only extract linuxthreads from the glibc-ports tarball, but
13:52 < CIA-2> anything useful
14:48 < Baldzius> moin
14:55 < CIA-2> aldas * r12636 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-firmware/alsa-firmware.desc: * updated alsa-firmware (1.0.9 -> 1.0.10rc2)
15:01 < karasz> moin everybody
15:02 < karasz> guys what can you tell me about T2 on ppc64?
15:04 < rxr> not widely tested so far ...
15:13 < karasz> i am not sure but i guess OpenPower has ppc64 isn't it?
15:14 < rxr> yep
15:14 < rxr> do you have one ?
15:14 < karasz> not right now
15:14 < karasz> but i will recive one for testing in some time
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15:15 < karasz> and i do not like at all the fact that it has support only for suse and rh
15:16 < karasz> why do you ask rxr ?
15:16 < rxr> karasz: just so - would be nice someone keeping sure t2 runs on them
15:17 < rxr> I just started a new test build for powerpc64
15:17 < rxr> I think I'll have a Apple Dual G5 sooner than later
15:17 < rxr> powerpc64 should be straight forware to build
15:17 < rxr> I can help fixing issues if there arise some
15:17 < rxr> powerpc is a main architecture - we have a lot of those 32bit Power systems around
15:18 < karasz> if my deal works out with ibm maybe i will have an OpenPower not only for testing
15:18 < karasz> i knew abt powerpc but those ppc64 seem to not be very well endorsed
15:19 < karasz> i only found a very quiet debian branch for them
15:19 < rxr> what kind of deal with IBM ;-)?
15:19 < karasz> they asked me to become their ISV partner here
15:20 < karasz> i guess they are trying to push OpenPower here but lack apps to run on it
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16:28 < rxr> re
17:22 < CIA-2> rene * r12637 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
17:22 < CIA-2> * added removal of CVS files to the glibc-ports extraction since glibc
17:22 < CIA-2> does try to autocommit regenerated files via cvs, what obviously
17:22 < CIA-2> fails
17:25 < rxr> cu
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18:34 < misl> hi folks
18:34 < rxr> hi
18:34 < misl> hi rxr
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18:40 < rxr> phoningg
18:41 < sparc-kly|WORK> hi ppl
18:52 < rxr> so
18:53 < Baldzius> rxr: is subversion compiling for you with new apr?
18:55 < rxr> Baldzius: yep - it built fine some days ago
18:56 < Baldzius> hm ok i'll try to downgrade swig
18:56 < Baldzius> but error is : /usr/include/apr.h:400: Error: no decision has been made on APR_PATH_MAX for your platform
18:57 < rxr> oehm
18:57 < rxr> don't try swig upadte
18:57 < rxr> that is apr
18:57 < rxr> but I do not get that error
19:08 < Baldzius> rxr: it fails with new swig 1.3.27
19:08 < Baldzius> with 1.3.24 compiles
19:23 < CIA-2> rene * r12638 /trunk/package/base/util-linux/sparc.patch: * fixed util-linux for latest glibc on sparc
19:36 < misl> newsbreak. Bird flu in Germany!
19:38 < misl> he he, you guys from Germany will have a bird for prime minister. :)
19:39 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:56 < CIA-2> rene * r12639 /trunk/package/filesystem/fuse/fuse.desc: * updated fuse (2.3.0 -> 2.4.1)
19:57 < CIA-2> rene * r12640 /trunk/architecture/powerpc/config.in:
19:57 < CIA-2> * resorted the powerpc optimization options and made powerpc (not common)
19:57 < CIA-2> the default (so I do not forget to select it for every build I do and
19:57 < CIA-2> forget it equally often - which results in mostly useless builds)
19:58 < rxr> wow - t2 update are often faster than http://freshmeat.net
20:16 < Baldzius> hm zope doesn't like python 2.4* even latest
20:45 < rxr> mnemoc: trunk:mostly-HEAD is able to bootstrap 32 and 64bit SPARC now, again
20:45 < rxr> even the 32bit default sparc64 multilib variant
20:45 < rxr> the only change I have locally is rc.c fix on the list
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21:03 < karasz> rxr: still on?
21:03 < rxr> yep
21:03 < karasz> did you worked with Power64 cpus?
21:04 < karasz> and if yes how did they compare with opteron?
21:07 < rxr> karasz: I only had a G5 iMac here for a bit over a week - unfortunatly the 32bit PowerPC T2 CD did not boot and I had no time to build on it
21:08 < karasz> hmm
21:08 < rxr> karasz: from experience I would say slightly slower than Opteron - at least the consumer ones from Apple
21:08 < rxr> the big cache and high-end from IBM may vary
21:08 < rxr> why do you ask ?
21:08 < karasz> i was afraid of that
21:08 < karasz> i am a guy that likes to be prepared
21:14 < rxr> karasz: though the performance of the bigger IBM boxes might be superiour
21:14 < rxr> karasz: I would say best find out ,-)
21:15 < karasz> i will
21:15 < rxr> also consider the virtualization features of the boxes and the high quality ... ,-)
21:15 < karasz> in a week or so, i will learn my faith :(
21:17 < rxr> please built a T2 on it ,-)
21:45 < karasz> rxr: i will certanly try to
21:46 < karasz> when it comes to it i will ask your help guys ;)
21:54 < CIA-2> rene * r12641 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config:
21:54 < CIA-2> * also build dietlibc packages with 64bit, despite otherwise defaulting
21:54 < CIA-2> to 32bit in the special sparc64 setup
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22:31 < CIA-2> rene * r12642 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config: * mangle the package name as in dietlibc for the new sparc64 dietlibc 32/64bit case
22:47 < mnemoc> rehi
22:49 < rxr> hi mnemoc
22:49 < mnemoc> hi rxr
22:49 < rxr> load average: 3.94, 3.98, 4.03
22:49 < mnemoc> :)
22:49 < rxr> ^- since some days I load my poor build athlon to new stress test limits ...
22:49 < rxr> mnemoc: trunk:HEAD builds really good on sparc
22:50 < rxr> mnemoc: also finally my new 64bit sparc defaulting to 32bit user-space compiles now ...
22:50 < rxr> mnemoc: and I added cris and m68k defines to T2 today ...
22:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I'll work on the router target soon - implementing an Access Point sub category or so ...
22:51 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you ?
22:53 < mnemoc> tired but ok ;)
22:53 < mnemoc> and you?
22:53 < rxr> I should have had archivista ftp server integration handy until the morning
22:53 < rxr> but I did too much T2 tinkering along the road ...
22:56 < rxr> on powerpc64 glibc32 does not build
22:56 < rxr> hoever a 32bit glibc builds when built for pure powerpc :-(
22:57 < rxr> well - I should go to bed - do some more ftp server tinkering and go to uni tomorrow morning ...
22:59 < mnemoc> what ftp will you use?
23:00 < rxr> vsftpd I think
23:14 < CIA-2> aldas * r12643 /trunk/package/network/samba/samba.desc: * updated samba (3.0.20a -> 3.0.20b)
23:20 < rxr> anything is too heavyweight - maybe I should rather use gatling .oO
23:20 < mnemoc> twoftp is very light
23:21 < mnemoc> there is something stronger than kill -9?
23:21 < mnemoc> root 11555 0.0 0.3 3772 2964 ? D 05:00 0:17 /usr/bin/find / <---- doesn't want to die
23:24 < rxr> then it most probably is in a syscall
23:24 * mnemoc rebooting :\
23:24 < rxr> any change it is hanging on some stalled remote mount?
23:25 < rxr> mnemoc: I only need upload functionallity and that as simple as possible
23:29 < rxr> ok - gatling has no authentication - then I can not use it .-(
23:29 < rxr> otherwise it would be very find ..
23:30 < rxr> ok - 2.6.1 kernel on my sparc - cries for an update ..
23:30 < rxr> ok - /me bed - cu all
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23:31 < Baldzius> rxr: is it safe to update syslinux?
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23:31 < Baldzius> oh well gn8 rxr :)
23:32 < menomc> Baldzius: usually yes, but some targets have hardcoded versions of it on their scripts, so you have to fix those too
23:33 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i think i leave as it is :)
23:33 < Baldzius> don't want to make troubles
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23:37 < CIA-2> aldas * r12644 /trunk/package/x11/fluxbox/no-bsetroot.diff:
23:37 < CIA-2> * removed no-bsetroot.diff - from 0.9.14 bsetroot is replaced
23:37 < CIA-2> by fbsetroot
23:39 < mnemoc> like framebuffer :p
23:40 < Baldzius> :)
23:46 < Baldzius> i guess all packages should have cksum?
23:48 < mnemoc> of course
23:48 < mnemoc> and for the samename the cksum can't ever change
23:48 < mnemoc> same name*
23:49 < CIA-2> amery * r12645 /trunk/package/security/vserver/stone_mod_vserver.sh: * changed mod_vserver to use initstyle=plain on creation
23:49 < Baldzius> ic
23:49 < Baldzius> thanks :)
23:54 < CIA-2> aldas * r12646 /trunk/package/archiver/7zip/7zip.desc: * added missing cksum for 7zip
23:57 < CIA-2> amery * r12647 /trunk/package/base/cron/ (cron.conf cron.run cron.run.sh): * renamed cron.run to cron.run.sh (on $confdir only) to be handled by CopyPatch
23:58 < CIA-2> amery * r12648 /trunk/package/base/bcron/bcron.conf: * adapted bcron to new name of cron.run
23:59 < CIA-2> aldas * r12649 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.desc: * added missing cksum for xorg-server
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