--- Log opened Sun Oct 02 00:00:37 2005 00:07 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://mnemoc.pastebin.com/380058 00:11 < jsaw> oh, didn't know about disown... 00:12 < _Lewellyn> disown rocks 00:12 < _Lewellyn> wait. is disown in bash now? 00:12 < mnemoc> man say so 00:12 < _Lewellyn> if so, when was that added 00:12 < _Lewellyn> it's not in bash 2 00:12 < mnemoc> oh 00:12 < _Lewellyn> then again, bash 3 also supports ksh93 /dev/tcp syntax 00:13 < mnemoc> /join #bash 00:13 < _Lewellyn> in bash, try this and tell me if it works: 00:13 < _Lewellyn> cat < /dev/tcp/towel.blinkenlights.nl/23 00:13 < mnemoc> Original Work : Simon Jansen ( www.asciimation.co.nz ) Telnetification : Snore ( http://blinkenlights.nl ) 00:13 < _Lewellyn> sweet 00:14 < _Lewellyn> i'm going to have to sit in front of bash 3 and see if it doesn't support any of the kshisms i am used to 00:14 < _Lewellyn> typeset was madly broken in bash 2, iirc 00:14 < _Lewellyn> now, ksh200X needs to come out so bash has to catch up again! ;) 00:14 < mnemoc> i don't like to depend on bash_3_ 00:15 < _Lewellyn> depend on ksh93 once i make sure the package works right with t2 :) 00:15 < mnemoc> :) 00:17 < _Lewellyn> ksh200x should have multithreading, which would be cool :) 00:17 * _Lewellyn drools thinking of the wonderful scripts he could write 00:18 * mnemoc has never used ksh 00:19 < _Lewellyn> apparently, it's a lot like bash 3 ;) 00:20 < mnemoc> :) 00:22 < _Lewellyn> (only it's been around for 13 years) 00:24 < mnemoc> are you sure bash2 doesn't have disown? 00:25 < _Lewellyn> bash2 seems to. sorry :( 00:25 < mnemoc> $ /sbin/sam help 00:25 < mnemoc> SAM, the SDE Administration Managing tool, v0.0 00:25 < mnemoc> Copyright (C) 2005 Alejandro Mery 00:25 < mnemoc> Usage: sam [] 00:26 < mnemoc> $ /sbin/sam foo 00:26 < mnemoc> SAM, the SDE Administration Managing tool, v0.0 00:26 < mnemoc> Copyright (C) 2005 Alejandro Mery 00:26 < mnemoc> SAM: module 'foo' not recognized 00:26 < mnemoc> Available modules: help SAM internal help info Information about current installation 00:26 < mnemoc> yuck... i hate how irssi handle pastes :\ 00:26 < _Lewellyn> you called it SAM after all? 00:26 < mnemoc> i have to start working, and i need a name 00:26 < mnemoc> it's on my local svn anyway ;) 00:26 < _Lewellyn> i liked IT still :) 00:27 < mnemoc> the one without name 00:27 < mnemoc> IT is confusing 00:28 < _Lewellyn> i agree, but it has pizazz 00:28 < mnemoc> nt/xp thing is on a different universe 00:28 < mnemoc> and solaris.... who cares about that crap? 00:29 < _Lewellyn> and hpux 00:29 < mnemoc> s/solaris/hpux/ 00:29 < _Lewellyn> imo, t2 may be interesting to companies migrating to linux from hpux 00:29 < mnemoc> what sam does on hpux? 00:29 < _Lewellyn> perhaps having a similarly named tool could be helpful 00:30 < _Lewellyn> it's the hpux System Administration Manager 00:30 < _Lewellyn> http://docs.hp.com/en/B2355-90692/sam.1M.html 00:30 < mnemoc> :) 00:31 < _Lewellyn> lemme find a screenshot. it's the perfect example of how to give access to lots of information. it's also a good example of how not to do it 00:31 < _Lewellyn> but that's something you learn by using it. 00:31 < mnemoc> /usr/sbin/sam [-display display] [-f login] [-r] <--- not hard to simulate ;) 00:32 < _Lewellyn> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=sam+hpux+&btnG=Search 00:32 < _Lewellyn> no, it's not 00:32 < _Lewellyn> http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/software/oe/hpux/developer/column/beg_integrity_04/ 00:33 < _Lewellyn> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/477/CWM/cwm-tftp-17844.html 00:33 < _Lewellyn> http://www.printronix.com/boc63_1/connections/p5xxx/ethernet/unix/hpux/bsd/hpux_bsd_sam.html 00:33 < _Lewellyn> those last 3 urls have everything in the google results 00:34 < mnemoc> i don't read japanesse :) 00:34 < _Lewellyn> the screenies are in english ;) 00:35 < mnemoc> looks modularizes as our 'sam' will be 00:36 < mnemoc> modularized* 00:36 < mnemoc> calling sam without without actions may easily call a dialog (like stone) interface 00:36 < _Lewellyn> ya, hpux is easy (even fun) to admin once you learn to love sam 00:37 < _Lewellyn> as opposed to wanting to kill the running man on aix 00:37 < mnemoc> you will love my little sam ;) 00:37 < _Lewellyn> good :) 00:38 < _Lewellyn> if it resembles those screenshots, i'll be extremely pleased; i won't have to learn how to use it! ;) 00:38 < mnemoc> you will write that GUI :) 00:40 < _Lewellyn> good. i've been wanting to learn a new toolkit language ;) 00:41 < mnemoc> :) 00:41 < mnemoc> sam 0-1, will be bash/dialog for sure... but sam 2 i guess will be written in lua 00:42 < mnemoc> maybe sam 1 will be in lua 00:44 < mnemoc> http://svn.geeks.cl/oss/sam/trunk/ 00:44 < mnemoc> ^---- if you set my ip on your /etc/hosts :\ 00:44 < _Lewellyn> i will on my laptop when i reboot it later. 00:45 < mnemoc> i'm dropped every 27h, svn.geeks.cl is a CNAME for socomep.dyndns.org 00:45 < _Lewellyn> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/818.html 00:45 < _Lewellyn> haha 01:13 < mnemoc> btw, there is an etc/hosts also on windows ;) 01:15 < _Lewellyn> yes in %SYSTEMROOT%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts 01:15 < _Lewellyn> i have shortcuts to edit that file with gvim on every machine :) 01:15 < mnemoc> :D 01:18 < mnemoc> sam-0.0 do nothing released :p 01:21 < _Ragnar_> hi 01:21 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_ 01:21 < _Ragnar_> hi mnemoc 01:22 < _Lewellyn> hoi _Ragnar_ 01:55 < CIA-9> amery * r12225 /trunk/package/contrib/ (dfb++/dfb++.desc dfb-linux-fusion/pkg_linux26_post.conf): * fixed copyright notes of package/contrib/dfb* 01:56 < CIA-9> amery * r12226 /trunk/package/contrib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * added copyright notes to runit-logacct and runit-shutdown 02:19 < CIA-9> amery * r12227 /trunk/target/ (. mnemosyne/): * removed obsolete target/mnemosyne and changed for an svn:external to current mnemosyne:trunk 02:22 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.91] has joined #t2 02:22 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.43] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:27 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 03:45 < rxr> re 03:45 < rxr> moin 03:46 < mnemoc> moin rxr 03:47 < rxr> hi mnemoc - how are you ? 03:48 < mnemoc> tired but happy :) 03:48 < mnemoc> and you? 03:48 < rxr> got enough sleep I think - thus awake at this time ,-) 03:49 < mnemoc> :-) 03:49 < rxr> happy to be in berlin again ,-) 03:50 < mnemoc> are you really starting your day? or you will return to bed? 03:50 < rxr> starting :-) 03:50 < rxr> whether I get up at 3:45 or 6.00 should not make such a different anyway 03:50 < rxr> valentin: happy birthday ;-) 03:51 < mnemoc> how old? 03:52 < rxr> let me count - 27 I think 03:52 < mnemoc> 1978? 03:53 < rxr> think so 03:53 < mnemoc> same as i :) 03:53 < mnemoc> happy bday valentin! 04:24 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you projects and such going? 04:26 < mnemoc> i hoped to finish one vserver/qmail-ldap today, but the office where the server is got out of energy... so i have to wait until monday :\ 04:26 < mnemoc> i couldn't contact my contact on that company :\ 04:27 < mnemoc> PyMOF is frozen 04:28 < rxr> why ? 04:30 < mnemoc> vserver/qmail-ldap will (i hope) return money faster (this month) 04:30 < mnemoc> after that i'll resume my work on PyMOF 04:30 < rxr> ah ,-) 04:31 < mnemoc> OT: where echo_status is defined? 04:31 < rxr> I think by the output module 04:32 < rxr> misc/output 04:33 < mnemoc> aha 04:33 < mnemoc> echo_status_terminal 04:33 < rxr> http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ 04:33 < rxr> ^- lists minised now ,-) 04:34 < rxr> See also 13. 04:34 < mnemoc> :D 04:35 < mnemoc> apropos dietlibc, if you have a few minutes please take a look into gcc/dietlibc at 2.1 04:35 < rxr> mnemoc: just building a 2.1 reference is fine for that ? 04:36 < rxr> I need to clean my 15000 mails inbox ... 04:36 < rxr> ... and finally update the mail server, spamassassin and setup server side filtering ... 04:36 < mnemoc> rxr: nope, reference builds fine 04:37 < rxr> mnemoc: where does it fail then ? 04:37 < rxr> ah - bootdisk ? 04:37 < mnemoc> 1-gcc 04:37 < mnemoc> nope, bootdisk builds fine too 04:37 * rxr puzzled 04:38 < mnemoc> bootdisk is hybrid 04:38 < mnemoc> try embedded/diet or sheba 04:38 < rxr> ok - what to reproduce then? 04:38 < rxr> ah 04:38 < mnemoc> pure dietlibc 04:38 < rxr> ic 04:38 < rxr> I try embedded 04:38 < mnemoc> i thought ;) 04:38 < rxr> kmail does not like 15xxx mails in a inbox 04:39 < rxr> I think I kill it the fourth time now ... 04:39 < rxr> and that though it is usually more stable then thunderbird ... 04:39 < rxr> damn 04:40 < mnemoc> :) 04:40 < rxr> btw. I might need to invest in a Apple G5 system in order to test SCSI support of my commercial scanner driver thing 04:40 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/avisionosx/ 04:40 < rxr> I have no Macintosh with SCSI hardware 04:40 < rxr> and can not add a card to neither my iBook nor the mac mini ... 04:41 < mnemoc> avision can't send it? 04:42 < rxr> avision is not a company throwing a lot of money to people ... 04:43 < rxr> but ExactCode might do other, bigger projects with Avision 04:43 < rxr> that is (for one thing) and embedded Linux including all the necessary applications for a digial copier station 04:44 < rxr> http://www.okidata.com/mkt/html/nf/ES3640eHome.html 04:44 < rxr> ^- stuff like this 04:44 < mnemoc> sweet 04:45 < mnemoc> they do the hardware, exactcode the software 04:45 < rxr> but this will be a lot of work (application wise) and we need to valueate the risk carefully 04:45 < rxr> they do only the scanner hardware, exactcode the software and the printer manufactor the laser printer hardware 04:46 < rxr> in fact I think that oki MFP I linked has Avision hardware on top 04:48 < rxr> if we decide to invest into such kind of software 04:57 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de alone rose up to a total of 482 MB last month 05:02 < mnemoc> o.o 05:22 < rxr> r283 | rene | 2005-10-02 05:24:05 +0200 (Sun, 02 Oct 2005) | 3 lines 05:22 < rxr> * added new IDs, some of yet unreleased products, added NO_MATRIX 05:22 < rxr> feature overwrite 05:22 < rxr> ^- open source - where you have drivers before the products ship ,-) 05:23 < mnemoc> :) 05:25 < rxr> ah! I think I save a lot of money and just ebay an old Power Mac that natively shipped with SCSI ... 05:29 < rxr> what is this: 05:29 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8700445059&fromMakeTrack=true 05:30 < rxr> hm - maybe 233Mhz 05:38 < mnemoc> *click* 05:45 < rxr> I think I try to get s.th. like: 05:45 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/Apple-G4-Power-Mac-QS-DVD-120-GB-768-mB-TOPZUSTAND_W0QQitemZ5812275159QQcategoryZ19520QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 05:46 < rxr> most probably the cheapest way to test SCSI support in our mac driver ... 05:49 < mnemoc> o.o 05:49 < rxr> mnemoc: can I later merge the change into stable, that introduced detecting the default PARALLEL value according the CPUs present? 05:49 < mnemoc> i thought all apple machines were elegant 05:50 < mnemoc> yes, sure 05:50 < rxr> mnemoc: what is missing elegance ? 05:50 < mnemoc> too modern to me :) 05:51 < mnemoc> those 'handle's it has 05:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I also only need it to make more money out of the mac driver ... 05:51 < mnemoc> :) 05:52 < rxr> the difference is between - SCSI is implemented but never test - no idea what it does and - I know SCSI support is rock solid - go and buy the SCSI scanner .. 05:52 < rxr> (and my driver) 05:52 < mnemoc> go and buy the scsi machine 05:53 < rxr> Apple Power Mac G4, 40 GB 05:53 < rxr> EUR 16,50 05:53 < rxr> only one day left 05:53 < rxr> maybe it will still be below 100EUR then ... 05:53 < rxr> 350 Mhz only 05:54 < mnemoc> :-) 05:56 < rxr> hm - those older Power Macs do not seem to have SCSI on-board 05:56 < rxr> thus I need some add on SCSI card as well 05:57 < rxr> but at least the base unit is not way above 1000EUR as recent, new G5s are ... 05:57 * rxr waking susan - su 05:57 < rxr> cu even 06:02 < mnemoc> cu rxr 06:08 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: the current ip is 200.75.27.91 06:12 < _Lewellyn> rxr: correction, newer powermacs do not have scsi onboard ;) 06:12 < _Lewellyn> i think it happened some time back in the g3 era 06:24 < rxr> I meant older in contrast to the current G5 ones ... ,-) 06:25 < rxr> that is the G4 ones already ship wihtout 06:28 < _Lewellyn> ah. i have machines back to the mac se :) 06:30 < rxr> I have got a 8100/80 here - got it for free - but have not yet powered it up ... 06:30 * _Lewellyn heads off for the evening. should be back soonish 06:55 < rxr> hey - powered it on for the first time now - plays a sound and wants a floppy (no HD in it - someone ripped it out before handing the box to me ...) 07:27 < mnemoc> oh 07:33 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p5789372A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 07:44 < mnemoc> gn8 07:44 < mnemoc> cu tomorrow 07:44 < rxr> cu mnemoc 07:44 < rxr> sleep well 07:44 < mnemoc> thanks :) 07:48 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p5788AFE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:27 < valentin> moin 09:31 < rxr> moin valentin 09:31 < rxr> 03:50 < rxr> valentin: happy birthday ;-) 09:31 < rxr> 03:53 < mnemoc> happy bday valentin! 09:35 < valentin> thanks friends :) 09:38 < rxr> can I call you ? 09:38 -!- morfoh_ [n=jeru@p54BEBBA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 09:39 < valentin> ok 09:39 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5812275159&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 09:46 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5813071958&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 09:48 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5813071958&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 09:48 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5811805666&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 09:51 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEFB62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:52 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8700445059&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 10:11 < rxr> ls -l x11-mod | wc -l 10:11 < rxr> 269 11:11 < rxr> x11-modular# svn status | wc -l 11:11 < rxr> 277 11:21 < rxr> # l */*/*.desc | wc -l 11:21 < rxr> 2109 11:22 < rxr> # ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -prefix /opt/x11-modular -repository x11-modular 11:22 < rxr> .. 11:56 -!- freddy [i=pitti@pD9F534DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 11:56 < freddy> morjen 12:06 < rxr> moin freddy 12:06 < freddy> moin 12:06 < freddy> du rxr auf gsmp kommt kein x die spinnen doch alle 12:06 < rxr> ok - ,-) 12:07 < rxr> freddy: hast du mein Kommentar ala: Die koenne ja auch Biologie oder Gertn?rei studieren" gelesen ,-)? 12:07 < rxr> was haben die denn f?r Probleme mit den Rechnern im INI ? 12:07 < freddy> jo 12:08 < freddy> die sind alle nur sehr wichtig 12:08 < rxr> informatik => computer 12:08 < freddy> echt ? ;) 12:09 < rxr> wenn die mir irgendwelche 1x1 cm IBM Cell CPUs geben sind die Rechner auch kleiner ... 12:09 < freddy> hehe 12:09 < freddy> also net wundern wenn es mal kurz weg is ich baue an der firewall 12:09 < rxr> freddy: wie geht es dir sonnst so ? 12:09 < freddy> ganz ganz gut 12:09 < freddy> viel gearbeit 12:10 < rxr> freddy: yep - ich auch 12:10 < freddy> die dmz steht so gut wie 12:10 < rxr> ab diesem semester studiere ich wieder - medien informatik ;-) 12:10 < freddy> fein das freut mich 12:10 < freddy> :-)) 12:11 < freddy> was rechnen sie an? 12:11 < freddy> doch einiges oder? 12:12 < rxr> muss ich noch diskutieren 12:12 < rxr> bin erst seit ein paar tagen immatrikuliert ... 12:12 < freddy> goil 12:12 < freddy> du brauchst den verdammt abschluss, egal was drufsteht 12:12 < rxr> die wollten aber nen neues vorpratikum - voll verwirrt die leute ... 12:12 < freddy> hehe falsche drogen 12:12 < rxr> ich habe den kurzer hand nen zettel von meiner firma gegeben ... 12:13 < rxr> Herr R. hat in unseren Hause zu unser vollsten zufriedenheit, bla blubs ... 12:13 < rxr> damit waren die scheinbar zufrieden ... 12:13 < freddy> hehe 12:13 < freddy> na bitte 12:13 < rxr> hauptsache ich kann auch das richtige praktikum "hier" machen ,-) 12:14 < freddy> der chef muss zustimmen, und wenn du dich gut machst macht er das bestimmt ;) 12:15 < rxr> ich w?ge gerade ab ob ich ein relativ grosses projekt f?r eine taiwanesische scanner firma mache 12:15 < freddy> so ich geh erstma. und keine panic der rechner bleibt im 23er segment koste es was es wolle 12:15 < rxr> software fuer digital kopierer - die w?rde uns jedoch ziehmlich auslasten ... 12:16 < rxr> waere aber cool ,-) 12:16 < rxr> cu freddy - viel spass auf nexus .. 12:16 -!- freddy [i=pitti@pD9F534DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 12:38 < CIA-9> rene * r12228 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: 12:38 < CIA-9> * added a intendional undocumented -prefix option to Emerge for 12:38 < CIA-9> T2 core developer test builds 13:36 < rxr> include/linux/etherdevice.h: In function 'ipw2100_set_address': 13:36 < rxr> include/linux/etherdevice.h:85: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault 13:36 < rxr> ... :-( 17:05 < valentin> opensuse website had been hacked ?! 17:06 < mnemoc> rehi 17:07 < mnemoc> i see no problems at www.opensuse.org/ 17:11 < rxr> mnemoc: a news site reports hack ... 17:12 < rxr> maybe they already fixed it ... 17:12 * rxr taking a bath 17:13 < rxr> damn sore throat 17:13 < valentin> hi mnemoc, rxr 17:13 < rxr> valentin: btw. has my money arrived on your bank account ? 17:13 < mnemoc> hi ++valentin 17:13 < valentin> sure 17:14 < valentin> ++valentin.age.years 17:14 < mnemoc> :) 17:15 < valentin> while (valentin.age.years < X) { ... } 17:15 < valentin> .oO 17:15 < mnemoc> ++X 17:15 < valentin> hehe 17:27 < mnemoc> damn.... i forgot to re-install lilo after changing a remote kernel :\ 17:29 < mnemoc> madtux! i need you 17:46 < valentin> mnemoc: that is why i prefer grub 17:46 < valentin> ah, a remote one ? well ... 17:49 < mnemoc> at madtux's datacenter i.e. costa rica 17:51 < owl> madtux's datacenter? 17:51 -!- veki [n=chatzill@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 17:52 < rxr> re 17:52 < mnemoc> owl: yep 17:53 < mnemoc> wb rxr 17:53 * rxr waiting for the new camile tea to be prepared ... 17:53 < owl> mnemoc: O_O 17:53 < owl> hi rxr , mnemoc 17:53 < mnemoc> owl: what's wrong? 17:53 < rxr> camomile even 17:53 < owl> mnemoc: nothing i am just surprised 17:53 < mnemoc> owl: how are your rats? 17:54 < mnemoc> rxr: it's called 'manzanilla' here ;) 17:54 < owl> mnemoc: my _hamster_ is fine, thx. but my bird not really... :) 17:54 < owl> btw, someone has miguel's email-addy? 17:54 < mnemoc> one rat? 17:54 < owl> mnemoc: nah, one hamster :) 17:55 < mnemoc> owl: his domain is at my server, which is out of electricity, and i killed the machine i supposed to finish today to move his things to there :\ 17:55 < mnemoc> owl: i thought you had two 17:56 < owl> mnemoc: ah. i c. ;) 17:56 < mnemoc> owl: but iirc he also have codetux@gmail.com 17:57 < owl> mnemoc: nah, just one... (calypso) mephisto (my first hamster) and zarathustra (my bf's hamster) died some month ago 17:57 < owl> thx :) 17:58 < mnemoc> your bf has his thing dead? .oO 17:58 < mnemoc> s/thing/rat/ 17:58 < owl> mnemoc: yeah :( 17:58 < owl> http://gallery.karnaya.de/v/tiere/hamster/ <- you see the three _hamsters_ here :p 17:59 < valentin> hi owl 17:59 < owl> hi valentin 18:00 < valentin> sorry for your hamsters 18:00 < owl> thx. 18:00 < mnemoc> nah, she eat them 18:00 < mnemoc> ate* 18:00 < valentin> mnemoc: don't be rude 18:01 < owl> mnemoc: nah! ;) 18:02 < mnemoc> valentin: she knows i'm teasing her... i hope. 18:03 < owl> .oO( "yes, i do" ) 18:03 < mnemoc> :-) 18:04 < mnemoc> zarathustra had a tumor, right? 18:04 < owl> mnemoc: excactly. 18:07 < valentin> also sprach Zarathustra und verliess seine Hoele, gluehend und stark, wie eine Morgensonne, die aus dunklen Bergen kommt. 18:07 < valentin> Hamsters live in Hoelen, too 18:09 < owl> yeah ;) 18:10 < mnemoc> :-) 18:11 * mnemoc tried to start learning sanscrit long time ago 18:11 < mnemoc> sanskrit* 18:12 < owl> sanscrit? 18:13 < mnemoc> a language ;) 18:14 < mnemoc> but i'll try german first 18:14 < rxr> mnemoc: kamille in germany 18:15 < valentin> why sanscrit ? 18:16 < mnemoc> my hobby use to be ancient history and history of religions... and i tried to learn to read some simple texts in their original language 18:17 < mnemoc> now i don't have much time for that :\ 18:22 < veki> sanscrit is divine language and many words that we use in languages today are derived or do have certain origin in sanscrit 18:23 < mnemoc> sadly there are no much resources on that field here 18:24 < veki> in our language we say dolina for walley. on sanscrit walley is dolina too 18:24 < veki> in some variants of slavic languages knowledge is veda like in sanscrit 18:24 < mnemoc> :) 18:25 < veki> we say fro T-shirt kosula like in sanscrit, so we speak even if we are not aware of it 18:25 < veki> ethimology of many words does have roots in sanscrit and that familiy of languega as it is pracrit etc. 18:26 < veki> however, it is good to develop capacity of trans-semiotic and trans-sematic relationships 18:26 < veki> target building is somehow similar :-) 18:26 < mnemoc> o.o 18:28 < CIA-9> rene * r12229 /trunk/package/x11-modular/ (21 files in 16 dirs): 18:28 < CIA-9> * added scripts to generate packages from the modular X tarballs 18:28 < CIA-9> * renamed previously modular packages to the new, official names part I 18:29 < rxr> hey - this sex baby sex song of the mp3 stream from a band named Superbus has riffs from our drunken jam sessions of our youth 18:30 < rxr> they stole our ideas valentin ! 18:30 < veki> mnemoc: ah, yes, do you agree 18:33 < mnemoc> uhm? :) 18:34 < mnemoc> rxr: sue them :) 18:36 < CIA-9> rene * r12230 /trunk/package/x11-modular/ (25 files in 7 dirs): * rename previously present modular packages to new names 18:37 < veki> mnemoc: abstractions are not easy to discuss :-) that is their challenge and spice :-) 18:38 < mnemoc> discuss them on a foreign language is even harder 18:38 < valentin> rxr: what sex song ? 18:41 < rxr> the name is "sex baby sex" - the band "superbus" or so 18:42 < valentin> sounds drunk 18:46 < veki> mnemoc: ah yes..:-) I hope we will have an opportunity to meet each other have a beer and discuss ;-) 18:53 < rxr> mnemoc: embedded built mostly here 18:53 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe dietlibc is some "depending on host" issue ? 18:56 < mnemoc> rxr: can you try on sheba? 18:57 < mnemoc> veki: :) 18:57 < rxr> I hope mnemoc does not slap me for this commit: 18:58 < veki> mnemoc: i have to go now, cu tomorrow 18:58 < mnemoc> cu veki 18:58 -!- veki [n=chatzill@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 18:59 < CIA-9> rene * r12231 /trunk/package/x11-modular/ (782 files in 269 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:59 < CIA-9> * added xlsfonts (0.99.0) 18:59 < CIA-9> * added fslsfonts (0.99.0) 18:59 < CIA-9> * added xfd (0.99.0) 18:59 < CIA-9> * added xkill (0.99.0) 18:59 < CIA-9> * added libxtrap (0.99.0) 18:59 < CIA-9> * added lbxproxy (0.99.0) 18:59 < mnemoc> 269 dirs?! 18:59 < rxr> yes - about 250 new packages 18:59 < rxr> all in x11-modular ... 19:00 < rxr> I could have boosted the commit graph by for each in ... 19:00 < mnemoc> T2 2.2+ :) 19:00 < rxr> though I think one modular commit is the best thing (tm) for the migration ... 19:00 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. I plan to have 2.2.0 in november 19:01 < mnemoc> there is no need to boost commit graph.... i want single commits to be able to search my t2-svn folder by subject 19:01 < rxr> mnemoc: ack 19:01 < mnemoc> let's stabilize 2.1 first please 19:02 < rxr> that is resolve random dietlibc issue and release ? 19:02 < mnemoc> dietlibc and a few small fixes i showed you 19:02 < mnemoc> it's not random 19:02 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - host installation dependant I think 19:03 < mnemoc> can you try sheba? 19:03 < rxr> mnemoc: I try later 19:03 < rxr> valentin: now, with this fine grained X packages it really is the time to have perfect dep graph code withotu static priority ... 19:04 < rxr> t2-trunk/package# l */*/*.desc | wc -l 19:04 < rxr> 2105 19:04 < rxr> though there are some to be removed from x11-modular 19:05 < rxr> but I had to rm -rf due to a messed up .svn files due to a forgotten code sniplet in my generator code ... 19:05 < rxr> that is I lost what packages to remove 19:05 < mnemoc> i'll build a diet-embedded/t2-2.1 now 19:05 < rxr> a shared file error of my currently running build will show me again ,-) 19:05 < rxr> but I think we need a mesa package now - since it is not included in the single X packages anymore as far as I have seen 19:06 < rxr> thus we now need mesa for the GL implementation and the DRI drivers ... 19:06 < rxr> but I'll see in my build 19:06 < rxr> I also need to some hack code to prevent mkfontdir and friends from beeing run inside the various new, single font packages ... 19:06 < rxr> and I think we will see some regressions due to my intentional X dir change from X11R6 to X11R7 19:07 < rxr> that is what modular X will be versioned as - and let's bette fix those hardcodings now then later on ... 19:07 < rxr> that is know trunk is a bit messed up anyway ,-) 19:08 < mnemoc> lets branch 2.2 after 2.1.0? 19:08 < mnemoc> 2.1.1* 19:08 < rxr> of course 19:08 < rxr> trunk need a lot stabilization / fixup now 19:08 < rxr> now == with the gcc-4.0.x update and modular X ... 19:09 < mnemoc> and upcomming kde 19:10 < rxr> kde 4 = 19:10 < rxr> or 3.5 ? 19:10 < mnemoc> 3.5 :) 19:10 < rxr> Mac OS X 10.4.3 Includes Over 500 Fixes, Due This Month 19:11 < rxr> Mac OS X 10.4.3 continues to include references to unreleased PowerMac and PowerBook models, according sources. The frequency in which Apple has released new builds of the update indicates that a release is on tap for the first half of October. 19:11 < rxr> hm - ok - I wait with PowerPC hardware investment then ... 19:11 < rxr> btw. I have a shiny new, not too much used Mac mini 1.42 Ghz for sale 19:11 < rxr> anyone ? 19:13 < owl> how much would it cost? 19:17 < mnemoc> rxr: there are any chances to move www3.t2-project.org to anywhere with good bw there? 19:22 < mnemoc> rxr: i just noticed the difference, embedded is stage-{0,1}-only 19:23 < mnemoc> mnemosyne/dietlibc is a normal target from stage 0 to 7 19:52 < rxr> and what is the first thing failing ? 19:54 < CIA-9> rene * r12232 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target: * fixed lzop binary package support - the compressor is lzop not just lzo 19:55 < rxr> wow r12232 ,-) 19:55 < rxr> we dinner 19:55 < rxr> cu soon 19:57 < mnemoc> cu rxr 20:31 -!- rxr [i=rene@e178128176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 20:31 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 RELEASED! | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 20:31 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Sat Sep 17 20:47:59 2005] 20:31 [Users #t2] 20:31 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 20:31 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ mnemoc ] [ nzg_] [ SerWou ] 20:31 [ CIA-9 ] [ morfoh_] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly] 20:31 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 20:31 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 20:31 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 20:31 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 6 secs 20:39 < mnemoc> rxr: did ppp build for you on dietembedded/2.1? 20:39 < rxr> nope 20:39 < rxr> but that is a known issue AFAIR 20:42 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@84.87.74.71] has joined #t2 20:42 < minto_> Hi folks 20:43 < minto_> Just a quick wireless visit :) 20:45 < rxr> hi minto_ ! 20:46 < minto_> hi rxr 20:46 < minto_> I am sitting here in my car accessing a hotspot :) 20:48 < minto_> I just noticed noisy is not being used :( 20:48 < rxr> minto_: :-( 20:48 < rxr> mnemoc: go go 20:49 < rxr> minto_: after fixing up my modular X work basically I could do trunk ref bulds on it ,-) 20:49 < minto_> :) 20:49 < minto_> I can start that one up as well :) 20:50 < rxr> I have to do basic fixup before trunk is useful again 20:50 < minto_> But unfortunately I have no time to do any serious fixing. 20:50 < rxr> minto_: no problem 20:50 < rxr> I do trunk ref builds on noisy soon ,-) 20:50 < minto_> :) You make me happy 20:51 < minto_> 64 bits 2.1 rc3 also has some problems. 20:51 < minto_> http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/trunk/regressions/2.1.0-rc3-desktop/regressions.html 20:56 < minto_> I gotta go again. see you all later. 20:56 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@84.87.74.71] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 21:00 < mnemoc> what is, comparativly, a sempron? 21:01 < mnemoc> rxr: why do you move native libs to lib64 instead of moving foreign libs to lib32? 21:14 < rxr> mnemoc: sempron what ? 21:15 < rxr> mnemoc: because I do not want to patch and hack with binutils and gcc ... 21:15 < rxr> also lib64 is LSB 21:16 < mnemoc> sempron, the amd processor 21:17 < mnemoc> ok, i'll buy the LSB thing 21:17 < rxr> you do not buy patching gcc and binutils ? 21:17 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you wanna know 'bout the sempron ? 21:19 < mnemoc> what is it, what's it's target, .... performance, etc.. 21:19 < rxr> sppron is el-cheapo - like intel celerons 21:19 < rxr> but the latest semprons are 64bit 21:20 < mnemoc> rxr: i have seen lot of hackery to support lib64, i'm not sure if gcc/binutil would have but that much patching 21:20 < rxr> what hackery ? 21:20 < rxr> the first lib64 less builds have been hackery - but that was reverted 21:20 < mnemoc> i mean on the packages, 21:21 < rxr> I think there is not too much lib64 stuff 21:21 < rxr> and we should rather expand this rather than wory 21:21 < rxr> worry 21:21 < mnemoc> ok 21:22 < rxr> since in theory multi-libs stuff would allow building soft floating point (-fp), other optimizations, -whatever-sub-arch, linux thread vs. nptl and so on sub lib dirs 21:22 < rxr> if the packages are clean to honor $libdir we could do a lot moe generically ... 21:23 < mnemoc> yes, this is a good test to force $libdir 21:40 -!- veki [n=veki@bunuel-cpe-216-bgd.sbb.co.yu] has joined #t2 21:51 -!- veki [n=veki@bunuel-cpe-216-bgd.sbb.co.yu] has left #t2 ["Leaving"] 22:02 < CIA-9> rene * r12233 /trunk/package/archiver/lzma/ (. compile.patch lzma.cache lzma.desc): * added lzma (4.27.1) 22:06 < CIA-9> rene * r12234 /trunk/package/archiver/lzma/lzma.desc: * added the U tag to lzma 22:10 < CIA-9> rene * r12235 /trunk/package/archiver/lzop/lzop.desc: * lzop needs to be build in stage 0 if it is used as compressor 22:28 < CIA-9> rene * r12236 /trunk/package/archiver/rzip/ (. rzip.cache rzip.desc): * added rzip (2.0) 22:48 < rxr> n8 all 22:54 < mnemoc> n8 rxr --- Log closed Mon Oct 03 00:00:38 2005