--- Log opened Fri Sep 30 00:00:37 2005
00:04 < _Lewellyn> sweet. tonite i'll look at which utilities can be stolen as-is from sysv (maybe only one or two) and which can be used as a jumping off point to reimplementing them
00:05 < mnemoc> i'll replace wall with a cat for now ;)
00:05 < mnemoc> just to make echo | wall   work
00:05 < mnemoc> well... not work, just not fail
00:06 < _Lewellyn> yar.
00:08 < _Lewellyn> i looked at a few wall implementations last night...
00:08 < _Lewellyn> sysvinit's is by far the cleanest
00:08 < _Lewellyn> solaris's scared me :(
00:09 < mnemoc> o.o
00:09 < _Lewellyn> i thought sysvinit's "did too much"
00:09 < _Lewellyn> it's relatively svelte
00:10 < mnemoc> what about a dumb loop doing 'write'?
00:10 < _Lewellyn> they all check to ensure the walling user exists, for one
00:11 < _Lewellyn> i think the \r\n handlinig is probably appropriate as well
00:11 < _Lewellyn> but it's definitely a re-write candidate :)
00:12 < _Lewellyn> i'm not sure i see the utility in the commandline options and syslogging is probably not useful
00:13 < mnemoc> usual bloat
00:13 < mnemoc> what about busybox's?
00:13 < _Lewellyn> as a rule, i like syslogging wall, but not here. and rwalld is dead
00:13 < _Lewellyn> url to buysbox's src? i failed to find a recent repository last night
00:15 < mnemoc> http://www.uclibc.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/busybox/
00:15 < mnemoc> does nohup auto bg?
00:15 < mnemoc> nope
00:16 < _Lewellyn> i got sysv's wall down to 85 lines, including the copyright.
00:17 < mnemoc> :)
00:17 < _Lewellyn> however, i think i see some possible buffer overflows o_O
00:17 < mnemoc> try to commit, 
00:17 < mnemoc> i have to go home in 10 minutes
00:17 < _Lewellyn> lemme clean it up more first, this was just yanking stuff out.
00:17 < _Lewellyn> i'll be here for another couple of hours, so i'll be here when you get home. :)
00:17 < mnemoc> a README or AUTHORS or COPYING
00:18 < _Lewellyn> ya.
00:18 < mnemoc> just to test the access
00:18 < _Lewellyn> :w
00:18 < _Lewellyn> erp
00:18 < mnemoc> :)
00:21 < _Lewellyn> Committed revision 157.
00:21 < mnemoc> :D
00:21 < mnemoc> take a look into my shameless shutdown implementation :p
00:21 < _Lewellyn> i will :)
00:22 < _Lewellyn> gotta catch up to my work deadlines though.
00:22 < _Lewellyn> may have a conference call soon
00:22 < mnemoc> oh
00:32 < mnemoc> ok, bbl
00:32 < mnemoc> cu
00:37 < _Lewellyn> adios
02:09 < mnemoc> re
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02:38 < _Lewellyn> re
02:45 < mnemoc> wb _Lewellyn 
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03:26 < madtux> hello 
03:27 < mnemoc> wb madtux 
03:27 < madtux> gracias
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08:00 < _Lewellyn> back from class
08:01 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i was talking with my instructor after class (it's an advanced network security class) and it turns out that he enjoys operating system design and it was the subject of his doctorate thesis...
08:01 < _Lewellyn> he volunteered to help with code reviews, if desired.
08:01 < _Lewellyn> also, i got wall down to less than 1K of source. i'll try compiling it in a bit :)
08:06 < _Lewellyn> well, < 1K for wall.c anyway.
08:07 < _Lewellyn> still working on rolling dowall.c into it.
08:25 < _Lewellyn> that file has a lot of cruft. :(
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08:37 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: ok. initial add of the trimmed wall code. still can have quite a bit removed.
08:37 < _Lewellyn> hoi minto_ 
08:38 < _Lewellyn> i think i can get all of wall down to less than 3K of source. the hard part is the tty crap
08:52 < _Lewellyn> ok. off with me! :)
08:53 < _Lewellyn> need to actually sleep tonite so i can enjoy the theatre tomorrow
09:05 < rxr> re
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10:02 < CIA-9> rene * r12205 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.desc: * updated gcc (4.0.1 -> 4.0.2)
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10:46 < rxr> re
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11:18 < CIA-9> rene * r12206 /trunk/package/graphic/ghostscript/ghostscript.desc: 
11:18 < CIA-9> * updated ghostscript (8.15rc3 -> 8.15.1) - fixes extreme PCL problems
11:18 < CIA-9>  on my fathers Kyocera mito FS-1000+ laser printer ...
11:19 < rxr> so - the next issue solved ...
12:21 < valentin> moin
12:21 < rxr> moin
12:22 < rxr> valentin: still here ?
12:23 < valentin> yes
12:24 < rxr> hm - I can not call into the swiss from my parents phone
12:24 < rxr> nothing happesn - no ring tone ...
12:24 < rxr> stange
12:24 < valentin> oh ?
12:24 < rxr> either bug in their elco or disabled in the TK ? ...
12:24 < rxr> strange
12:24 < rxr> let my check my mails for mail
12:25 < valentin> did you use a call-by-call number ?
12:26 < rxr> nope 
12:26 < rxr> but my paretns are by some preselection telco
12:29 < rxr> well - I got a mail - I reply and work on the issue ...
12:31 < valentin> did he say what he meant ?
12:34 < rxr> also thumbnailing
12:34 < rxr> but I think he means only thumbnailed tiffs get such sctripes
12:34 < rxr> I test right now
12:40 < rxr> hm
12:41 < rxr> indeed stripes in the thumbnail
12:41 < rxr> though I rather think this is a bug in a tiff thumbnail ...
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16:00 < Baldzius> moin
16:22 < rxr> re
16:22 < rxr> moin Baldzius 
16:23 < Baldzius> hi rxr
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16:40 < rxr> hi minto_ and veki 
16:40 [Users #t2]
16:40 [@vilkacis ] [ Baldzius] [ minto_] [ nzg_] [ SerWou   ] [ valentin] 
16:40 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-9   ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ Shingo-- ] [ veki    ] 
16:40 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw    ] [ mtr   ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 
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16:41 < veki> hi :-)
16:41 < veki> what's up?
16:59 < mnemoc> short moin
16:59 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: wall goes on runit-logacct, no runit-shutdown ;)
17:01 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: you can invite your professor to join mnemosyne ;)
17:01 < mnemoc> ok, i have to go... back in.... 10h :\
17:09 < rxr> hey mnemoc 
17:09 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
17:42 < mtr> re
18:25 < rxr> hi mtr
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20:02 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 RELEASED! | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
20:02 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Sat Sep 17 20:47:59 2005]
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20:02 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw    ] [ nzg_  ] [ SerWou] [ valentin ] 
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20:40 < minto> hi folks
21:00 < minto> hmm, very crowded in here :)
21:01 < minto> mnemoc: I am off for another week, so I can leave noisy on again. 
21:02 < rxr> re
21:02 < minto> rxr: Are you interested in messing around with noisy?
21:02 < minto> hi rxr
21:02 < rxr> minto: oehm
21:03 < rxr> well - I fear I have too much on my TODO list and on the norizon
21:03 < rxr> horizon even
21:03 < minto> no problem.
21:03 < rxr> I might get some more contract with Avision (a big scanner manufactor)
21:03 < rxr> and study started soon again ...
21:03 < rxr> not to mention the tiny 64bit sub-notebook below my fingers ,-)
21:03 < rxr> minto: maybe mnemoc wants to mess ,-)
21:04 < rxr> minto: how is your new house in the green ?
21:04 < minto> We just spend there a week.
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21:04 < minto> It is very nice over there
21:05 < rxr> nice ,-)
21:05 < minto> But we rented the place for another week, we are still considering buying the place.
21:05 < minto> :)
21:05 < rxr> ,-)
21:05 < minto> That's also the reason why I can leave noisy on for a full week :)
21:05 < rxr> I thought so
21:06 < minto> Unfortunately I have no  internet access over there, at least not yet.
21:06 < rxr> when will you be off again? soon or on sunday / monday ?
21:06 < minto> Tomorrow
21:06 < minto> we leave somewhere between 10 and 11 in the morning.
21:07 < rxr> oh
21:07 < minto> rxr: instead of building on your 64bit notebook, you could use noisy?
21:07 < rxr> so - have a nice weekend ,-)
21:07 < minto> thanks
21:08 < rxr> minto: yes - I could
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21:08 < rxr> I bug mnemoc for the login then, right?
21:08 < minto> sure
21:08 < minto> since I am not able to log in anymore 
21:08 < minto> I will try again tomorrow morning to get access.
21:09 < rxr> oh
21:09 < minto> I quickly tried to access it when I came home, but failed to get in. I hope no one else beside mnemoc of morfoh managed to get access to it.
21:09 < CIA-9> rene * r12207 /trunk/package/graphic/libtiff/thumbnail-fixup.patch: 
21:09 < CIA-9> * fixed the broken libtiff/thumbnail tool - yay - t2 is the only
21:09 < CIA-9>  distribution with a working tiff thumbnail now ,-)
21:10 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
21:10 < minto> mnemoc: it is okay to give rxr access to noisy if he asks for it.
21:11 < minto> hey _Ragnar_
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21:16 < minto> hey morfoh
21:16 < morfoh> hey minto 
21:16 < minto> morfoh: why do you always show up when I intend to leave?
21:16 < rxr> _Ragnar_: took me 9 hours to debug thru the ugly filter code of thumbnail ...
21:17 < morfoh> minto: dunno ... sorry 
21:17 < rxr> hi morfoh 
21:17 < morfoh> hi rxr 
21:17 < morfoh> rxr: btw, do we've sth. like a concept paper for future work like foo-% ?
21:19 < morfoh> minto: so .... how are you ? hope everything is fine ;)
21:21 < minto> morfoh: All is fine although I see everything a bit foggy (I guess I am tired)
21:22 < minto> Just spend a week only 15 minutes from work. Tomorrow we leave for another week. :)
21:22 < morfoh> minto: :)
21:22 < minto> It is in the middle of a forrest. very nive there.
21:23 < morfoh> minto: the "summerhouse" your presented some days ago ?
21:23 < rxr> morfoh: I'm not sure what kind of foo-% I would like
21:23 < minto> Yes.
21:23 < minto> I even started to work on my condition. But that is problably due to lack of internet access.
21:24 < rxr> morfoh: nothing is decided and paper research work always welcome
21:24 < rxr> cu later
21:24 < minto> bye rxr
21:24 < morfoh> cu rxr ... yeah indeed I've an idea 
21:28 < minto> Morfoh: I have a full week of noisy on offer. Interested?
21:31 < minto> I will turn it on tomorrow morning. I guess you account is still valid. :)
21:32 < minto> I am off to bed now, gn8 all
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22:13 < valentin> re
22:13 < morfoh> wb valentin 
22:16 < rxr> hi valentin 
22:21 < valentin> hi all
22:22 < CIA-9> aldas * r12208 /trunk/package/kde/kvirc/ (. kvirc-gcc4.patch kvirc.cache kvirc.desc): * added kvirc (3.2.0)
22:22 < valentin> rxr: can i get the account ?
22:23 < rxr> for debugging?it si a bit late now - my father is sleeping and need to get up around 1:xx in the night for some strange shift at work
22:23 < rxr> let's rather phone and debug this tomorrow ...
22:24 < CIA-9> rene * r12209 /trunk/package/mail/thunderbird/thunderbird.desc: * updated thunderbird (1.0.6 -> 1.0.7)
22:24 < valentin> ok
22:25 < valentin> sorry i could not do it before, but janna is a bit ill today
22:25 < valentin> needed to carry her around very much of the day
22:28 < rxr> no proble
22:28 < rxr> m
22:28 < rxr> valentin: debugging this crappy tiff thumbnail took me nearly most of the day ...
22:28 < rxr> camn crap code ...
22:28  * rxr pizza, wine and tv - so backgrounded ... ,-)
22:28 < valentin> :*(
22:28 < valentin> enjoy your meal
22:29 < morfoh> rxr: good appetite ;)
22:30 < morfoh> I've to restart my X ... brb
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22:57 < morfoh> re
22:58 < morfoh> .oO( finaly ... most things are recovered now after the laptop crash yesterday )o :|
23:00 < rxr> rehi morfoh 
23:01 < morfoh> rxr: do you work with e17 or is it just a toy for you atm ;) ?
23:02 < rxr> toy
23:02 < morfoh> rxr: reasons ? ;)
23:03 < rxr> it only start to be come useable
23:03 < rxr> and I have to fix enough stuff - I do not want to migrate to halfy done things right now
23:26 < CIA-9> rene * r12210 /trunk/package/graphic/libtiff/libtiff.desc: * updated libtiff (3.7.3 -> 3.7.4)
23:27 < CIA-9> rene * r12211 /trunk/package/base/pciutils/pciutils.desc: * updated pciutils (2.1.11 -> 2.2.0)
23:27 < CIA-9> rene * r12212 /trunk/package/audio/libsndfile/libsndfile.desc: * updated libsndfile (1.0.11 -> 1.0.12)
23:29 < CIA-9> rene * r12213 /trunk/package/gnome2/sound-juicer/sound-juicer.desc: * updated sound-juicer (2.12.0 -> 2.12.2)
23:40 < CIA-9> rene * r12214 /trunk/package/mail/exim/exim.desc: * updated exim (4.52 -> 4.53)
23:58  * rxr soon in bed
23:59 < morfoh> rxr: good night and sleep well
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