--- Log opened Tue Sep 27 00:00:01 2005
--- Day changed Tue Sep 27 2005
00:00 < mnemoc> .gem is no longer the default format on t2-trunk
00:00 < mnemoc> but yes, the idea is also to replace mine
00:00 < madtux> good
00:01 < morfoh> what about RAT ? "Rotten Application Trashcan" :)
00:01 < mnemoc> we want to make a library extending libtar to simply use .tar.{bz2,gz,lzo}
00:01  * morfoh better hides
00:02 < madtux> :)
00:02 < mnemoc> %cyborg rat
00:02 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: R.A.T.: Robotic Artificial Technician
00:02 < morfoh> :)
00:02 < mnemoc> %cyborg morfoh 
00:02 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: M.O.R.F.O.H.: Mechanical Operational Repair and Forbidden Observation Humanoid
00:03 < morfoh> what ? :)
00:04 < morfoh> %cyborg mnemoc
00:04 <@vilkacis> morfoh: M.N.E.M.O.C.: Mechanical Networked Exploration and Masterful Observation Construct
00:04 < morfoh> :)
00:05 < madtux> %cyborg R.A.T
00:05 <@vilkacis> madtux: R.A.T.: Robotic Artificial Technician
00:05 < madtux> nice..
00:05 < mnemoc> %cyborg madtux
00:05 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: M.A.D.T.U.X.: Mechanical Artificial Device Trained for Ultimate Xenocide
00:05 < morfoh> hehe
00:06 < madtux> geez... u caught me
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00:19 < rxr> damn PS crap
00:21 < rxr> hm - cups even mangles the Acroread created PostScript files ..
00:37 < mnemoc> bbl (pick girls up)
00:38 < morfoh> cu :)
01:03  * _Lewellyn read scrollback...
01:03 < _Lewellyn> someone proposed the name "sam"?
01:03 < madtux> _Lewellyn: mnemoc did.
01:03 < _Lewellyn> :(
01:04 < _Lewellyn> it would be a clash of names with not only NT, but with HP-UX as well :(*
01:04 < madtux> u are american... i guess u probably like it.
01:04 < _Lewellyn> i don't like heavily confusable terms
01:04 < madtux> :P
01:04 < madtux> good.
01:05 < madtux> i want simple name.. but i can't think of one yet
01:05 < _Lewellyn> it's the security thinger on nt/xp, and an administration tool on HPUX
01:05  * _Lewellyn doesn't want to have to remember which sam he's dealing with :)
01:05 < madtux> well i have to admit sam is a bit better spam
01:05 < madtux> :)
01:05 < madtux> even though spam is funny.
01:06 < _Lewellyn> how about "crack"? :)
01:06  * _Lewellyn attempts humor
01:06 < morfoh> :d
01:06 < morfoh> :D
01:06 < morfoh> crack-get 
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01:21 < _Lewellyn> yes :)
01:21 < _Lewellyn> you'd smoke the packages :)
01:22 < _Lewellyn> then whore them off the system...
01:22 < _Ragnar_> rxr: !
01:22 < morfoh> smoke-get 
01:22 < _Lewellyn> ok, enough of that. its humor would be bad.
01:22 < _Ragnar_> == 16:10:44 =[1]=> Building editors/nvi [1.79 2.2.0-alpha].
01:22 < _Lewellyn> gar. ooo is up to almost 6 hours.
01:23 < _Ragnar_> fl_wrapper.so: write outside basedir (/usr/src/t2-64): /usr/share/vi/catalog/dutch
01:23 < _Ragnar_> ...
01:42 < _Lewellyn> also, i recommend against the name smit... before someone suggests that ;)
01:45 < jsaw> sdeam (speak steam)
01:46 < jsaw> tamtam
01:47 < morfoh> jsaw: atm. after reviewing the ML thread I'd vot for your "sde" proposal
01:51 < jsaw> samt (german for velvet)
01:51 < jsaw> morfoh: hehe
01:53 < mnemoc> rehi
01:54 < jsaw> hmmm, maybe some more C_2H_5OH,... and a few more proposals :P
01:54 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
01:55 < morfoh> wb mnemoc and finally good night ... perhaps I
01:55 < mnemoc> :)
01:56 < morfoh> 'll dream about some proposals 
01:56 < jsaw> :)
01:58 < jsaw> sic (SDE Integrated Config)
01:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: seems that pkg_vserver.conf causes some troubles
02:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: what troubles?
02:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: it seems that the links are outside of the build root
02:02 < mnemoc> jsaw: what's wrong with sam?
02:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: ask _Lewellyn :)
02:02 < jsaw> 01:05 < _Lewellyn> it's the security thinger on nt/xp, and an administration 
02:02 < jsaw>                    tool on HPUX
02:03 < mnemoc> who cares? ;)
02:03 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: the name is already used for a "real unix"'s system tool :)
02:04  * _Lewellyn doesn't like overloading names :(
02:04 < mnemoc> a dead unix system :)
02:04 < madtux> cal it "lupe"
02:04 < _Lewellyn> actually, hpux 12 is pretty sweet
02:04 < madtux> call*
02:04 < jsaw> I actually thought the same, but under the influence of previously mentioned chemical compound... I couldn't resist regurgitating a few other acronyms...
02:04 < mnemoc> finding very unique names, short and easy to remember is imposible
02:04 < _Lewellyn> not impossible; just requires imagination
02:05 < _Lewellyn> an apt task for us, pardon the pun
02:05 < _Lewellyn> (and the incorrect grammar, utility of words)
02:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: seems that I don't have /etc/runit/1.d/ and friends
02:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess the changes you did on runit are not merged yet 
02:07 < _Lewellyn> are foodstuffs good targets for names? or will that keep everyone hungry?
02:07 < jsaw> sum (SDE Unified Management)
02:07 < morfoh> sum sum :)
02:07 < _Lewellyn> sum                  (1)  - checksum and count the blocks in a file
02:07 < _Lewellyn> :(
02:08 < _Lewellyn> i like it otherwise
02:08 < jsaw> suma
02:08 < morfoh> good night * :)
02:09 < jsaw> g'night morfoh 
02:09 < madtux> brm
02:09 < madtux> "Bloody Rat Manager"
02:09  * madtux hides
02:09 < morfoh> :D
02:09 < jsaw> hola madtux 
02:09 < _Lewellyn> summer :)
02:09 < madtux> hola jsaw 
02:09 < _Lewellyn> SDE Unified Management and Maintenance *mumble mumble*
02:09 < _Lewellyn> night morfoh 
02:10 < madtux> mmm.
02:10 < madtux> mmh..
02:10 < madtux> i don't know damn it
02:10 < _Lewellyn> tis too long.
02:10 < _Lewellyn> but it's a warm thing to type :)
02:10 < madtux> lets just call it... IT
02:10 < morfoh> SMART "SDE Management *Random* Toolkit"
02:10 < _Lewellyn> (17:10:42) mjl@tuffet$ whatis it
02:10 < _Lewellyn> it: nothing appropriate
02:10 < madtux> "get-IT"
02:11 < _Lewellyn> i like it
02:11 < _Lewellyn> good marketing slogan: "We've got IT!" :)
02:11 < madtux> good point.
02:11 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: indeed
02:11 < _Lewellyn> madtux++ :)
02:11 < madtux> holy!...
02:12 < madtux> mnemoc: ?
02:12 < _Lewellyn> rxr: you have input on "it"?
02:12 < madtux> it can't get any more simple than that
02:12 < _Lewellyn> no, IT cannot :)
02:12 < madtux> hehe
02:13 < jsaw> ?
02:13 < _Lewellyn> too bad the commands will be poor grammar :(
02:13 < jsaw> "s"
02:13 < jsaw> :p
02:13 < madtux> jsaw: come on.
02:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: you have to merge runit changes from trunk to 2.1 to be able to use that feature of mnemosyne
02:13 < mnemoc> madtux: pong
02:13 < madtux> mnemoc: scrollback
02:14 < madtux> what do you think about "IT" ?
02:14 < madtux> get-it ... search-it ... remove-it ... 
02:14 < mnemoc> i thing 'it' clash much more
02:15 < madtux> "We've got IT!"
02:15 < madtux> why?
02:15 < jsaw> it is nice, but again the PR problem, IT^2 sounds a bit arrogant...
02:15 < madtux> _Lewellyn: u think it sounds arrogant?
02:16  * madtux is glad to have a marketing freak around
02:16 < jsaw> and the cli gurus won't like it...
02:16 < jsaw> it<tab><tab> damn
02:16 < _Lewellyn> i am not a marketing freak, but i like it.
02:16 < _Lewellyn> and i try to only use the cli...
02:17 < jsaw> apropos it
02:17 < jsaw> ups...
02:17 < _Lewellyn> heh. don't
02:17 < _Lewellyn> use whatis :)
02:18 < jsaw> it: nothing appropriate
02:18 < jsaw> :]
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02:21 < mnemoc> sat?
02:21 < jsaw> sus (SDE Unified Setup)
02:23 < mnemoc> Software Update Services (SUS)
02:23 < jsaw> sos
02:25 < jsaw> sit (SDE Inspection Tool)
02:25 < mnemoc> inspection?
02:25 < mnemoc> System Holy Integrated Tool
02:26 < _Lewellyn> heh. nice, mnemoc ;)
02:26 < jsaw> mnemoc: read "02:04 < jsaw> I actually ..."
02:26 < _Lewellyn> slow :)
02:27 < mnemoc> :)
02:29 < jsaw> rtfm-config
02:31 < mnemoc> siat
02:31 < jsaw> siam
02:32 < _Lewellyn> start
02:32 < _Lewellyn> slack ;)
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02:32 < jsaw> stfw-config
02:33 < _Lewellyn> it could be evil...
02:33 < _Lewellyn> something like...
02:33 < jsaw> <- reading jargon file
02:34 < _Lewellyn> :)
02:34 < jsaw> SMOP 
02:34 < _Lewellyn> hm. that wouldn't be evil enough. needs a # in it... and a $
02:34 < mnemoc> %acronym stfw
02:34 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: stfw could be Search The Freaking Web (polite form; similar to RTFM), or Stabsfeldwebel (German)
02:35 < jsaw> Search The Fucking Web
02:35 < jsaw> ^--- jargon files
02:37 < jsaw> toast
02:37 < mnemoc> toast?
02:37 < jsaw> tsts, it's taken
02:37 < mnemoc> gsm: usr/bin/toast
02:37 < _Lewellyn> i'd suggest sprite, but it'd likely get the attention of coca-cola. and the faeries' union wouldn't be too pleased either ;)
02:38 < jsaw> :)
02:39 < mnemoc> cook?
02:40 < jsaw> what's the emergency number in cl?
02:41 < mnemoc> 131: ambulance 132: firemen 133: police ....
02:42 < jsaw> hmmm, ic
02:42 < mnemoc> 137, drugs
02:42 < jsaw> extra number...... .oO
02:42 < mnemoc> :)
02:43 < jsaw> I only know 110 (police) and 112 (fire+ambulance)
02:44 < jsaw> there's an extra number for ambulance, but I can't remember these _5_! digits
02:44 < mnemoc> o.o
02:45 < jsaw> but remembering two is enough anyway...
02:46 < jsaw> mnemoc: I haven't heard a better name than "sam" until now. I'd go for it even if some other systems use it. 
02:46 < mnemoc> :)
02:49 < mnemoc> what mr. core architect has said about the topic?
02:50 < _Lewellyn> i still prefer it.
02:50 < _Lewellyn> how about "sadist" :)
02:50 < _Lewellyn> (prefer "it" that is)
02:51 < mnemoc> *-it means lot of sbin/ things, other names imply a single sbin/ and lot of lib/
02:53 < jsaw> rxr is busy with archivista... I think we'll simply have to take him by surprise
02:53 < jsaw> :)
02:53 < mnemoc> *g*
02:54 < _Lewellyn> let's do rock, scissors, paper :)
02:54 < jsaw> hehe
02:54 < madtux> can i just choose nuclear bomb ?
02:54 < jsaw> I can hear my bed crying for me...
02:54 < jsaw> cu guys
02:54 < jsaw> g'night
02:55 < _Lewellyn> madtux, mnemoc: i guess it's up to us 3 ;)
02:55 < _Lewellyn> sleep well jsaw 
02:55 < madtux> _Lewellyn: i doub i have any voice on this... and i know i definitly don't have a valid vote
02:55 < madtux> on the other hand u and mnemoc are whole different story
02:57 < mnemoc> any t2 user/developer/watcher has vote right
02:57 < _Lewellyn> i'm more of a watcher at the moment, myself ;)
02:57 < _Lewellyn> woo. ooo died again :(
02:57 < madtux> i am a watcher wannabe
02:57 < madtux> :)
02:57 < _Lewellyn> after 6 1/2 hours.
02:57 < madtux> _Lewellyn: release the anger
02:57  * _Lewellyn deselects ooo and gets on with life
02:58 < madtux> or that..
02:58 < _Lewellyn> i'll try again another day
02:59 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: what now?
02:59 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: 2.1 or trunk?
03:01 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: it takes more than 5gb to build. and i don't have that free until after i upgrade
03:01 < _Lewellyn> on 2.1
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03:19 < keinek> hi
03:29 < _Lewellyn> hoi keinek 
03:31 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
03:31 < keinek> hi mnemoc
03:32 < _Lewellyn> ok. i forgot how to get it to not look for the binary file for something that i deselected...
03:33 < mnemoc> -remove
03:34 < _Lewellyn> Cleanup -remove? or Build-Target?
03:35 < mnemoc> Create-ErrList
03:35 < _Lewellyn> too many scripts ;)
03:38 < _Lewellyn> !> Binary file for ooo-1.9-m123.gem not present. Skipped in package database.
03:38 < _Lewellyn> !> Binary file for gtk+-2.6.10.gem not present. Skipped in package database.
03:38 < _Lewellyn> !> Binary file for dbus-0.33.gem not present. Skipped in package database.
03:38 < _Lewellyn> :(
03:41 < _Lewellyn> does the config name come before or after -remove?
03:41 < _Lewellyn> though neither seems to work...
03:44 < mnemoc> ehm
03:44 < mnemoc> Create-ErrList -cfg crap -remove ooo
03:45 < _Lewellyn> ok.
03:45  * _Lewellyn really should write himself a cheatsheet :)
03:46 < mnemoc> :)
03:46  * _Lewellyn DCCs mnemoc a jamba juice
03:47 < mnemoc> jamba?
03:47 < _Lewellyn> www.jambajuice.com :)
03:47  * _Lewellyn is drinking an acai eye-opener
03:50 < mnemoc> :)
04:51 < _Lewellyn> Create-ErrList -cfg stylistic -remove ooo dbus
04:51 < _Lewellyn> that should remove both ooo and dbus, no?
04:53 < mnemoc> yes
05:03 < _Lewellyn> !> Binary file for ooo-1.9-m123.gem not present. Skipped in package database.
05:03 < _Lewellyn> !> Binary file for dbus-0.33.gem not present. Skipped in package database.
05:03 < _Lewellyn> :(
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05:13 < _Lewellyn> welcome back
05:41 < mnemoc> :)
05:42 < _Lewellyn> so, i have choices for cups, lprng, and none
05:42 < _Lewellyn> are there any other print systems in t2 at the moment?
05:43 < mnemoc> i don't want every package on mnemosyne
05:43 < _Lewellyn> i also tested that ooo forces the printing to cups even if you selected lprng.
05:43 < mnemoc> only those _really_ needed
05:43 < _Lewellyn> though i'm wondering the wisdom of that
05:43 < _Lewellyn> ok :)
05:43 < _Lewellyn> i'm also not sure how i can tell it to force cups if printing is none
05:44 < mnemoc> #Forced: PRINTING=cups
05:44 < mnemoc> servers may want lprng, but desktop is sadly tight to cups
05:45 < _Lewellyn> ok. i couldn't think of a good reason for ooo to require cups, so...
05:46 < mnemoc> ooo require every crap invented in the world
05:46 < _Lewellyn> i gathered :(
05:46 < mnemoc> it _needs_ tcsh!
05:46 < _Lewellyn> yes.
05:46 < _Lewellyn> and i bet they also include the source for it so it can have its own version embedded.
05:47 < mnemoc> take a look into ooo.conf
05:47 < _Lewellyn> i did.
05:47 < _Lewellyn> i had to... a few times... :(
05:47 < mnemoc> writting it was a big pain :\
05:48 < _Lewellyn> i don't think my patch caused any harm, btw. i just can't get it to build due to disk space constraints
05:48 < _Lewellyn> i'll do another svn diff for you later.
06:00 < mnemoc> *yawn*
06:01 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: don't go yet :(
06:01 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i don't like this output :(
06:04 < mnemoc> ?
06:05 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: one moment. scping the other file
06:05 < mnemoc> remember to make the diffs against trunk
06:05 < _Lewellyn> i'll have to ask how when the time comes
06:06 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/26sep05/
06:08 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/26sep05/regressions/stylistic/log/5-dbus.err.txt
06:09 < _Lewellyn> that one is worrisome
06:09 < _Lewellyn> as is the build.log
06:11 < mnemoc> parallelism?
06:12 < _Lewellyn> i should add [F] NOPARALLEL to that, too?
06:12 < mnemoc> try
06:12 < _Lewellyn> k
06:13 < _Lewellyn> can i ignore the excess .gems in case i turn them back on?
06:13 < _Lewellyn> (i think it's all ooo related)
06:13 < mnemoc> rm them
06:13 < _Lewellyn> ok. even the var/adm stuff?
06:14 < mnemoc> -remove  removes all but cache
06:14 < mnemoc> then you remove by hand .gem and cache
06:14 < _Lewellyn> ok.
06:14 < _Lewellyn> and i won't have to rebuild anything?
06:15 < mnemoc> -remove only which are now disabled
06:15 < _Lewellyn> that's Cleanup, right?
06:15 < mnemoc> nope
06:15 < mnemoc> Cleanup removes src.*
06:15 < _Lewellyn> gar.
06:15 < mnemoc> builddirs of failed builds
06:15 < _Lewellyn> too many scripts! ;)
06:16 < mnemoc> you get used to it ;)
06:16 < _Lewellyn> Build-Pkg?
06:16 < mnemoc> never
06:16 < mnemoc> it's internal-only
06:17 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg or Build-Pkg, but never Build-Pkg
06:17 < mnemoc> err
06:17 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg or Build-Target, but never Build-Pkg
06:17 < _Lewellyn> Create-ErrList, then
06:17 < mnemoc> Create-ErrList show logs and does -newdelete and -remove
06:18 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep
06:18 < mnemoc> good night _Lewellyn 
06:18 < _Lewellyn> thank you. sleep well :)
06:19 < _Lewellyn> oh. and dbus already had NOPARALLEL
06:19  * _Lewellyn goes to figure out what he has to disable to get rid of dbus
06:21 < _Lewellyn> xfce. didn't need it anyway. turned it on by accident, i think.
06:22 < _Lewellyn> -remove isn't doing it. bah.
06:22  * _Lewellyn removes by hand.
06:23 < _Lewellyn> oh no i'm not.
06:23 < _Lewellyn> :(
06:25 < _Lewellyn> anyone else up who can help? :(
06:38 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/26sep05/stylistic.build18.log
06:39 < _Lewellyn> the regressions report is fine.
06:39 < _Lewellyn> just seems to be some staleness that i can't get cleaned up
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06:42 < _Lewellyn> for file in `cat src/invalid-files.lst`; do rm $file; done
06:42 < _Lewellyn> hah
06:43 < _Lewellyn> got it
06:43 < _Lewellyn> build19.log
07:14 < _Lewellyn> now i have new questions ;)
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11:38 < mtr> moin
11:39 < _Lewellyn> hoi
11:39 < mtr> hi _Lewellyn 
11:39 < owl> moin
11:40 < _Lewellyn> hoi owl 
11:40 < mtr> moin owl 
11:40 < morfoh> moin owl, mtr, _Lewellyn 
11:40 < mtr> hi morfoh 
11:40 < morfoh> %cyborg owlita
11:40 <@vilkacis> morfoh: O.W.L.I.T.A.: Operational Wireless Lifeform Intended for Thorough Assassination
11:41 < morfoh> :)
11:41 < _Lewellyn> hoi morfoh and vilkacis 
11:41 < _Lewellyn> ;)
11:41 < _Lewellyn> so, i need some help... :(
11:42 < _Lewellyn> i successfully managed to install my mnemosyne2 config...
11:42 < _Lewellyn> there's a "however", but it will need to wait a sec
11:43 < _Lewellyn> ok. back.
11:43 < _Lewellyn> so. i installed via a "scsi" usb drive.
11:43 < _Lewellyn> however, it's going to be used as an internal ide drive
11:44 < _Lewellyn> any suggestions on how to get lilo to work?
11:44 < _Lewellyn> or how to get grub installed? :)
11:45 < _Lewellyn> ah. i see the grub...
11:46 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: I guess the easiest way is to run 'stone'
11:46 < _Lewellyn> i'd need the thing "properly" booted first :(
11:46 < _Lewellyn> also, how do i get JFS onto the bootdisc?
11:47 < mtr> _Lewellyn: tell grub on which device the root will be on
11:47 < _Lewellyn> mtr: grub's not installed atm
11:47 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: dunno if JFS support is enabled on bootdisk's kernel
11:47 < mtr> _Lewellyn: device (hd0) /dev/sda
11:47 < _Lewellyn> just lilo
11:47 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: ah. it's in the selection for creating the filesystem.
11:47 < mtr> _Lewellyn: but you have grub on your boot disk ?
11:47 < _Lewellyn> ya...
11:48 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: run Config and add a 'X grub' to your pkgsel
11:48 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: i did. rebuilding now.
11:48 < _Lewellyn> then i'll reinstall
11:48 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: boot from your ISO and run stone 
11:49 < _Lewellyn> use gasgui?
11:49 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: nope ... afaik it doesn't work anyway
11:49 < _Lewellyn> hrm.
11:50 < _Lewellyn> what should i do at this screen?
11:50 < _Lewellyn> choose gastone?
11:54 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: so what am i supposed to be doing from within stone?
11:59 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: there you have a grub menu, where you can setup your grub properly
11:59 < _Lewellyn> after i get through gastone/gasgui>
12:00 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes ... after you installed the packages 
12:00 < _Lewellyn> i only saw lilo... let me get there again...
12:01 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yes ... because you just had lilo the first time
12:01 < _Lewellyn> that's all i have still...
12:01 < _Lewellyn> i didn't build grub on this iso
12:02 < _Lewellyn> so, i'll need to build a new iso, right?
12:02 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: I think so
12:02 < _Lewellyn> ok. one moment
12:03 < _Lewellyn> built. booting.
12:06 < _Lewellyn> in stone now
12:07 < _Lewellyn> should i reinstall? or just the one package is fine?
12:07 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: just install the missing package
12:07 < _Lewellyn> gastone didn't work... :/
12:08 < _Lewellyn> reformatting the partition and reinstalling. i may have borked something accidentally. this will make sure i didn't :)
12:09 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: I guess that's not the problem
12:09 < _Lewellyn> oh. no. i didn't bork it.
12:09 < _Lewellyn> getting gzip errors with gastone and gasgui
12:09 < _Lewellyn> rebuilding the iso
12:15 < _Lewellyn> ok. packages are installing.
12:18 < _Lewellyn> this part is amazingly fast when you're installing from an iso file :)
12:19  * _Lewellyn wishes installing things always happened at this speed
12:23 < _Lewellyn> ok. i'll be at the menu that had lilo in a moment. hopefully, there's a grub
12:29 < _Lewellyn> it seems to keep spitting errors at me :(
12:29 < _Lewellyn> and i can't change the scsi to ide
12:33 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: oh! ... unfortunately I've to leave now :|
12:34 < morfoh> cu later *
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12:34 < _Lewellyn> ok. thanks
12:34 < _Lewellyn> ah well
12:34 < _Lewellyn> any other grub users who may be able to help?
12:34 < _Lewellyn> or lilo users, as i am more familiar with that once i get it up? :)
12:37 < mtr> sometime i install grub on a compact flash, mounted as scsi drive, and later it boots as ide
12:37 < mtr> start grub and type the following commands:
12:38 < mtr> device (hd0) <your current scsi drive>
12:38 < mtr> root (hd0,0)
12:38 < mtr> setup (hd0)
12:38 < mtr> quit
12:40 < _Lewellyn> so not from the grub menu
12:40 < _Lewellyn> (in stone)
12:40 < mtr> no, not within stone, just plain shell
12:41 < _Lewellyn> the device (hd0) tells me File not found
12:41 < mtr> for example: device (hd0) /dev/sda
12:42 < _Lewellyn> ok. got that working (/dev/scsi/...)
12:42 < _Lewellyn> but root (hd0,0)doesn't :
12:43 < _Lewellyn> Error 5: Partition table invalid or corrupt
12:43 < mtr> (hd0,0) is the first partition on that drive
12:43 < _Lewellyn> ya
12:45 < _Lewellyn> ok. started over and it worked
12:46 < _Lewellyn> ok. let's see what happens when i try to use the drive...
12:50 < mtr> _Lewellyn: most probably you'll need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, but you can do this later on
12:51 < _Lewellyn> i did already :)
12:51 < mtr> :)
13:05 < _Lewellyn> let's see if it boots...
13:05 < _Lewellyn> woo!
13:05 < _Lewellyn> thank you! ! ! :)
13:06 < _Lewellyn> urk.
13:06 < _Lewellyn> crap
13:06 < _Lewellyn> forgot fstab
13:06 < mtr> _Lewellyn: ?
13:07 < _Lewellyn> fstab points at the scsi dev still...
13:08 < _Lewellyn> gah
13:08  * _Lewellyn tries to boot into single-user mode
13:28  * _Lewellyn tries to configure x for this ancient machine
13:45 < _Lewellyn> i think i'll try from bed, where it's more comfortable. back later :)
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13:53 < _Lewellyn> woo.
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13:54  * _Lewellyn starts making laundry list of questions to ask mnemoc about mnemosyne2 :)
13:54  * _Lewellyn wanders off
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13:55 < morfoh> re hi
15:22 < rxr> rehi
15:33 < mtr> hi rxr 
15:44 < morfoh> hi rxr. mtr
16:05 < morfoh> rxr: I think the machine which handles generates the t2-updates list and the t2-svn commit messages seems not to work ... 
16:54 < mnemoc> moin
16:57 < morfoh> moin mnemoc 
16:57 < mnemoc> moin morfoh 
17:10 < rxr> re
17:11 < CIA-9> mtr * r12183 /trunk/package/audio/ (6 files in 5 dirs): 
17:11 < CIA-9> * updated alsa-driver.desc (1.0.9b -> 1.0.10rc1)
17:11 < CIA-9> * updated alsa-lib.desc (1.0.9 -> 1.0.10rc1)
17:11 < CIA-9> * updated alsa-utils.desc (1.0.9a -> 1.0.10rc1)
17:11 < CIA-9> * updated alsa-oss.desc (1.0.9 -> 1.0.10rc1)
17:11 < CIA-9> * updated alsa-tools.desc (1.0.9 -> 1.0.10rc1)
17:11 < CIA-9> miguelb * r12178 /trunk/architecture/ (9 files in 5 dirs): * Merged the kernel-diable.lst into the versioned lists.
17:11 < CIA-9> chris * r12181 /trunk/package/zope/zope3/ (configure-python24.patch zope3.conf zope3.desc): 
17:11 < CIA-9> * updated zope3 (3.0.0 -> 3.0.1)
17:11 < CIA-9> * removed configure patch
17:11 < CIA-9> * fixed zope conf for proper choosing the right python interpreter. If we've i.e. another zope package installed, configure will prefer this one instead of the one coming from our python package.
17:11 < CIA-9> miguelb * r12177 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/want-dynamic.patch: 
17:11 < CIA-9> * Added want-dynamic.patch, as WANT_DYNAMIC needs to be enabled in
17:11 < CIA-9>  order to build dietlibc on alpha.
17:11 < CIA-9> miguelb * r12179 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in: * Removed kernel-disable.lst definition as no longer needed.
17:11 < CIA-9> amery * r12182 /trunk/package/base/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20050911 -> 20050926)
17:11 < CIA-9> aldas * r12176 /trunk/package/database/sqlite/sqlite.desc: * updated sqlite (3.2.6 -> 3.2.7)
17:11 < CIA-9> mtr * r12186 /trunk/package/multimedia/ffmpeg/ffmpeg.conf: * disable ffmpeg pp filter, fixing shared file with mplayer
17:11 < CIA-9> mtr * r12185 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/xorg.desc: * updated xorg (6.8.99.900-2005-09-06 -> 6.8.99.900-2005-09-25)
17:11 < CIA-9> amery * r12180 /trunk/package/base/runit/rockify.patch: * changed runit to always finish stage 3 happy
17:11 < CIA-9> mtr * r12184 /trunk/package/multimedia/avifile/ (avifile.conf avifile.desc gcc4-h264-hotfix.patch): * updated avifile (0.7.41 -> 0-7-050913)
17:14 < morfoh> rxr: thanks :)
17:14 < rxr> thanks for notifing me ,-)
17:14 < rxr> damn power outages over at valentin ...
17:15 < mnemoc> we need an sponsor, at least for a box at a datacenter :\
17:15 < rxr> hehehe ,-)
17:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... unfortunately I had no feedback yet from the BCIX people :\
17:19 < mnemoc> vilkacis would be glad to notify mails and commits
17:40 < rxr> my legs start to become munchy ...
17:40 < rxr> grummel ...
17:40 < rxr> fairs ...
18:28 < morfoh> bbl .. cu later
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18:45 < Baldzius> hello :)
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19:06 [@vilkacis ] [ Baldzius] [ mnemoc] [ owl   ] [ Shingo-- ] 
19:06 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-9   ] [ mtr   ] [ rxr   ] [ sparc-kly] 
19:06 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw    ] [ nzg   ] [ SerWou] [ valentin ] 
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19:29 < _Ragnar_> moin
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21:04 < morfoh> re hi
21:13 < mnemoc> wb morfoh 
21:13 < mnemoc> did you get the exports fine?
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22:14 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12187 /trunk/package/editors/nvi/nvi.conf: * fix install outside basedir in stagelevel 1
22:16 < morfoh> re 
22:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I've got the file
22:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'll import it in about 30min.
22:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: I just have to clean the kitchen because I've cooked sth. ;)
22:17 < CIA-9> amery * r12188 /trunk/package/security/vserver/stone_mod_vserver.sh: * improved stone/vserver to configure network interfaces
22:31 < valentin> very short hi
22:32 < mnemoc> very short welcome back
22:44 < _Lewellyn> hoi mnemoc :)
22:44 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i've got an interesting question for you that i expect a "no" to...
22:44 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: rather a yes...
22:45 < _Lewellyn> would you object to a "Tablet PC" selection group for mnemosyne2?
22:45 < _Lewellyn> where one would select the type of Tablet they have and the correct packages get installed?
22:46 < _Lewellyn> if you don't choose a specific tablet, it just turns on the xscribblefs and a couple of onscreen keyboards
22:47 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: you can easily extend mnemosyne2, as i did for sheba, with it's own modules tree :)
22:47 < mnemoc> or specificly make a mnemosyne variant for your tablet pc
22:48 < mnemoc> echo mnemosyne2 > target/tabletsyne/extends
22:49 < _Lewellyn> i was thinking of going all out with the half-dozen or so different tablet groups.
22:49 < _Lewellyn> i discovered the need last night when i realized that Xorg was compiled without my digitizer driver, plus there's a newer driver anyway
22:50 < _Lewellyn> and tabletsyne sounds funny ;)
22:50 < _Lewellyn> sounds like congestion medication
22:52 < mnemoc> :)
22:52 < mnemoc> but i really think a distribution for tablet PC powered by T2/mnemosyne is a nice idea :)
22:52 < _Lewellyn> yes. and necessary for me...
22:52 < mnemoc> target extensions and mnemosyne.pl can help you a lot
22:53 < _Lewellyn> http://www.neurath.org/stylistic_lt_c500/
22:53 < mnemoc> target inherence*
22:53 < _Lewellyn> that's what i have, btw
22:53 < _Lewellyn> yes, because then i get all of the mnemosyne changes too, right?
22:53 < mnemoc> yes
22:53 < mnemoc> take a look into sheba target
22:53 < _Lewellyn> sweet
22:53 < _Lewellyn> i will in a few
22:54 < _Lewellyn> this leads to another question i had last night:
22:54 < _Lewellyn> if i have 2 choices, how can i allow both to be selected?
22:54 < mnemoc> you can't
22:54 < _Lewellyn> so, a third that says "Both" then
22:54 < mnemoc> yes
22:54 < mnemoc> #Imply: first second
22:55 < _Lewellyn> i'd like to allow both of the decent Virtual Keyboards to be selected :)
22:55 < _Lewellyn> ok :)
22:55 < _Lewellyn> i guess i get to start making some packages...
22:55 < _Lewellyn> i guess i should also do a svn checkout onto my tablet.
22:56 < _Lewellyn> since the t2-stable is missing svn stuff
22:57 < mnemoc> uhm?
22:58 < morfoh> .oO( I could test a tabletsyne on my acer at work )o.
23:05 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i'll boot my tablet in a moment to elaborate
23:05 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: url to the acer?
23:08 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: dunno exactly the model ... but wait a moment
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23:11 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: http://global.acer.com/products/tablet_pc/tmc110.htm
23:12 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: linux is yet running on it ;)
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23:14 < madtux> hello.
23:15 < morfoh> madtux: pyro! :)
23:15 < mnemoc> wb madtux 
23:16 < madtux> rat-master
23:16 < madtux> mny-master
23:16 < madtux> :)
23:16 < madtux> mnemoc: so some dicussion is taking place at the elks mailing list.
23:17 < madtux> we're kind of discussion the path to go with elks from now... as u are aware i am trying to bring the project back to live
23:17 < mnemoc> madtux: t2 powered? ;)
23:17 < madtux> several people is talking about doing porting the kernel also to arm
23:18 < madtux> which could be cool and notmuch of a problem to port..
23:18 < madtux> then again we need to think carefully about it... i mean arm folks already have a really nice suport from gcc and uClinux
23:19 < madtux> but yes in fact i am been more and more temptated to port bcc and friends, elks, elks-utils and elks-net to t2
23:19 < mnemoc> stay at ia16 for now ;)
23:19 < madtux> mnemoc: well we had already made a lot of work to support psions... t2 has been trying to target those babys i believe
23:20 < mnemoc> madtux: psion targets is fully operative ;)
23:20 < mnemoc> target*
23:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: what are you doing with an ia16 ? :p
23:20 < madtux> thats cool... which models
23:20 < mnemoc> ask rene
23:20 < morfoh> madtux: it's called revo
23:20 < madtux> morfoh: some people call me "elks kernel mantainer"
23:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have many ia16 around here
23:21 < madtux> mnemoc: cool.
23:21 < morfoh> madtux: didn't knew that before Mr. Elks :)
23:21 < madtux> if we are already supporting psions i believe we should add some sort of supported models list or so
23:21 < madtux> plus i do not know if this also works fine on the older models
23:22 < madtux> morfoh: oh there is a lot of stuff u do not know about me
23:22 < morfoh> madtux: seems so :p
23:22 < morfoh> madtux: but this will change ... hehe 
23:22 < madtux> morfoh: it takes years to know me. :)
23:22 < mnemoc> there is a generic embedded target which can be easily specialized using target inherence feature
23:23 < madtux> even mnemoc doesn't know many things about me... and he is been a close frind of mine for several years
23:23 < madtux> :)
23:23 < madtux> mnemoc: thats cool.
23:23 < madtux> i am going to have to play with that... then again i guess i will have to buy me a psion..
23:23 < morfoh> madtux: just a year :p
23:23 < madtux> morfoh: a year? not really.
23:23 < morfoh> madtux: the psion target is a separated one
23:34 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: huh. that one will be easy to support.
23:34 < _Lewellyn> apparently the only special software specific to that tablet is the keyboard driver
23:34 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: why not ?
23:34 < _Lewellyn> why not what?
23:35 < _Lewellyn> it is easy, not hard ;)
23:35 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: can a mnemosyne/tabletsyne append to the motd?
23:35 < _Lewellyn> i'd like to have the motd say what needs to be done to set up X
23:36 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: extending sysfiles i guess
23:36 < _Lewellyn> ok. that's what i thought i'd have to do from looking at things yesterday
23:36 < _Lewellyn> also, why isn't usbfs mounted on /proc/bus/usb by default?
23:36 < _Lewellyn> does it puke on non-usb machines?
23:37 < madtux> hello _Lewellyn 
23:37 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: I meant, with "why not" the linux support ;)
23:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: did you addapt dietlibc patch for gcc-3.4.4?
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23:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've no patch! I just have "wannabe" patch adapting the old pkg_gcc.chroot.patch ... but it doesn't solve our current problem :\
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